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Stabiliser called HG1

I tried to find out what HG1 actually is and only found article after article discussing the death and it as this mysterious ingredient. The linked source has:

> Eaton said when they had signed the licence agreement, Gosling told Planet Coconut about “his secret ingredient” – a stabiliser called HG1 designed with the food giant Tate & Lyle’s Australian subsidiary. “He was very protective of his recipe,” she said.

Even this coroner inquest ttps://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/Celia-Marsh-Prevention-of-future-deaths-report-2022-0379_Published.pdf is vague

> The contamination arose because an ingredient in the yogurt called HG1 had become cross-contaminated with milk protein during its manufacture

That death was from improper labelling and disclosure of ingredients along with their manufacturing conditions. Yet HG1 still seems to be treated as a trade secret and is only vaguely described as a starch containing some amount of milk protein.

If anyone has a source for HG1's composition I'd interested to see it. Trade secrets don't have the trademark/copyright/patent restrictions that would complicate their disclosure on Wikipedia. BeardedChimp (talk) 02:36, 4 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Silly controversy

There seems to be some attempt to confect a 'controversy' about this company because of a death resulting from a mislabeled product. But if you look at the events in RS (say The Guardian[1]) it says Tate & Lyle just supplied what they were contracted, and assumptions/assurances took place further down the supply chain from other parties. Bon courage (talk) 12:26, 3 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Firstly please observe WP:BRD. You should not delete material a second time until the issue has been resolved. Secondly Tate & Lyle should and must take responsibility for its own supply chain. Of course, Tate & Lyle supplied what they were contracted for. However they failed to ensure that the supply chain supplied a safe product. Hence they were criticised at the inquest. Thirdly please change the heading: the death of an individual is a serious matter and not a "silly controversy". Dormskirk (talk) 12:35, 3 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
What? Tate and Lyle's supply chain is not at issue (presumably raw ingredients like tapioca). It's the onward supply chain which is the issue, which is outside T&L's control. What we had was misleading since Wikipedia was saying

HG1 manufactured by Tate & Lyle’s plant in north Wales was supplied as "dairy-free"

when in fact that "dairy free" claim was apparently made by an intermediate company (Coyo) while T&L had suppled the stuff labeled as potentially containing allergens. Where's the controversy (for T&L anyway)? Bon courage (talk) 12:42, 3 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
According to the BBC, "The yoghurt produced by Planet Coconut contained starch supplied by Tate & Lyle PLC, the inquest heard. The starch was identified as the possible source of the contamination." Are you disputing that? Dormskirk (talk) 12:56, 3 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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