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Stabiliser called HG1

I tried to find out what HG1 actually is and only found article after article discussing the death and it as this mysterious ingredient. The linked source has:

> Eaton said when they had signed the licence agreement, Gosling told Planet Coconut about “his secret ingredient” – a stabiliser called HG1 designed with the food giant Tate & Lyle’s Australian subsidiary. “He was very protective of his recipe,” she said.

Even this coroner inquest ttps://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/Celia-Marsh-Prevention-of-future-deaths-report-2022-0379_Published.pdf is vague

> The contamination arose because an ingredient in the yogurt called HG1 had become cross-contaminated with milk protein during its manufacture

That death was from improper labelling and disclosure of ingredients along with their manufacturing conditions. Yet HG1 still seems to be treated as a trade secret and is only vaguely described as a starch containing some amount of milk protein.

If anyone has a source for HG1's composition I'd interested to see it. Trade secrets don't have the trademark/copyright/patent restrictions that would complicate their disclosure on Wikipedia. BeardedChimp (talk) 02:36, 4 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Silly controversy

There seems to be some attempt to confect a 'controversy' about this company because of a death resulting from a mislabeled product. But if you look at the events in RS (say The Guardian[1]) it says Tate & Lyle just supplied what they were contracted, and assumptions/assurances took place further down the supply chain from other parties. Bon courage (talk) 12:26, 3 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Firstly please observe WP:BRD. You should not delete material a second time until the issue has been resolved. Secondly Tate & Lyle should and must take responsibility for its own supply chain. Of course, Tate & Lyle supplied what they were contracted for. However they failed to ensure that the supply chain supplied a safe product. Hence they were criticised at the inquest. Thirdly please change the heading: the death of an individual is a serious matter and not a "silly controversy". Dormskirk (talk) 12:35, 3 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
What? Tate and Lyle's supply chain is not at issue (presumably raw ingredients like tapioca). It's the onward supply chain which is the issue, which is outside T&L's control. What we had was misleading since Wikipedia was saying

HG1 manufactured by Tate & Lyle’s plant in north Wales was supplied as "dairy-free"

when in fact that "dairy free" claim was apparently made by an intermediate company (Coyo) while T&L had suppled the stuff labeled as potentially containing allergens. Where's the controversy (for T&L anyway)? Bon courage (talk) 12:42, 3 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
According to the BBC, "The yoghurt produced by Planet Coconut contained starch supplied by Tate & Lyle PLC, the inquest heard. The starch was identified as the possible source of the contamination." Are you disputing that? Dormskirk (talk) 12:56, 3 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Well, only in as much as it wasn't the "possible" contaminant, it was traces of milk in that starch which was established as causing the death of Celia Marsh. That is not at issue. The issue is that since the starch was not dairy-free, making a product from it claiming to be dairy free had fatal consequences. As the coroner[2] found

"A product that is marked as dairy-free should be completely free from dairy. HG1 starch had been contaminated in its manufacturing process. It had been labelled to signal this risk, but this risk was not passed on to its customers."

and as Pret a Manger said

We fully support the coroner’s findings. As the coroner made clear, Planet Coconut had information which should have alerted them that their CoYo yoghurt may have contained milk and this information was not passed on to Pret. It goes without saying that if Pret had ever known that the CoYo yoghurt may have contained milk, we would have never used the ingredient.

Nobody seems to think this was T&L's responsibility except Wikipedia. (Add: The only legal action - later dropped - stemming from this case was against Planet Coconut and Pret a Manger.[3] and it is their failure to audit suppliers which is how RS is generally casting this piece of news). Bon courage (talk) 13:16, 3 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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