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March 15

{{editprotected}}

I want to add a minor discussion topic on an article's TALK page, but the page is protected, and it says at the top that the ability to edit the TALK page by newly registered users is disabled. Then it says to request unprotection, go here -> which takes me to a page which says if you want to make a minor change (which is what I want), simply add the {{editprotected}} template on the discussion page followed by a description...blah blah.

How am I supposed to add this template request when any editing of the TALK page is disabled?Fendersmasher 00:40, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Talk pages are only rarely protected, usually on articles where there is nothing to discuss (Talk:Brian Peppers, for example). What page are you talking about. Prodego ^talk 01:50, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Talk pages that are being vandalized heavily (current events, sometimes) get semi-protected from time to time. It's uncommon but I've seen it many times. Any user can go to WP:RFPP to request unprotection of a page. — coelacan — 09:09, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

when updated?

When have you updated this website last?

Right now. Wikipedia is updated constantly, although certain articles might not be updated for several months. We need your help to keep it updated, especially if you find out-of-date information. Please see Wikipedia:Introduction to get started. — coelacan — 09:09, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

And you do get the occasional cache delay which can be solved by purging the page. x42bn6 Talk 16:41, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Template problem?

There is a template problem or something showing up on the Jonathan Trumbull, Jr. page. Can someone who knows more about templates than I do please check it out?--Vbd (talk) 05:24, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Which template?--SUIT^양복 05:28, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Weird. Some portion of a template message showed up at the top of the page when I visited it earlier, but it seems to be gone now. Not sure what happened. Thanks, though.--Vbd (talk) 05:33, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

artificial intelligence

i need some information for artificial intelligence it should be about 4 pages in A4 Size.

Try reading artificial intelligence, and follow the links in that article until you have enough material for your essay. Notinasnaid 08:30, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

• "it should be about 4 pages in A4 Size" sounds a lot like you plan to turn any provided material in for an assignment. Reading our article and Googling some will provide you with a lot of information, but you need to write those 4 pages yourself. - Mgm|^(talk) 09:16, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Or receive an F for the assignment and risk being expelled from school. And is Jimbo still hiring those Colombian death squads? No? Well expulsion is almost as bad. — coelacan — 09:27, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Incorrect screen shot on an essay

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ontario_Consultants_on_Religious_Tolerance

This is a minor problem.

The article contains a screen shot of what is alleged to be our home page. But it is of our "about us" essay.

The screen shot is of http://religioustolerance.org/aboutus.htm

It should be of http://religioustolerance.org

Regards Bruce Robinson Coordinator, Ontario Consultants on Religious Tolerance <Removed personal information>

I've altered the definition to reflect this. Thanks. --Cherry blossom tree 12:13, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

PROBLEM WITH EDITING AN ARTICLE

Dear Sir/Madam,

I am writing you this message on behalf of Adnan Oktar. There are few sentences which need to be ommitted or changed in the article about Adnan Oktar. These sentences do not reflect the truths about Mr. Adnan Oktar and his ideas. I edited the said article many times as directed in your website, however the next day the editions are deleted, and the same article appears.

Will you please guide me and let me know what to do to change or delete these sentences and add new ones about Mr. Adnan Oktar?

Looking forward to receive a reply and a solution.

Sincerely,

Mina Berkmen85.107.248.107 12:08, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Your edits are likely being reverted by other editors who disagree with them (click on the "history" tab at the top of the article to see what edits have been made). You should bring your concerns to the article's talk page. Wikipedia works by building consensus, so try to explain there what changes you think should be made and why. -SpuriousQ (talk) 12:16, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Biographies of living people provides guidelines for such articles. Mr. Adnan Oktar himself can contact Wikipedia directly (for more information, click here).--Vbd (talk) 15:20, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Discussion

After closing discussion (keep) of an article, is it likely to be tagged with another template (unreferenced, cleanup, notablity, importance etc).Thanks--NAHID 12:19, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Neiether likely nor unlikely. Editors who visit pages and see these problems add these tags, it isn't connected to the discussion process, except that more people may see the page. Notinasnaid 12:30, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Discussion 2

After wikification, can anyone remove notability (or other relevant article) template from the article--NAHID 12:19, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Anyone may remove tags such as notability. However, this is a serious matter and should generally at least be mentioned on the talk page: you should explain what has been done to fix the problem. If you do not provide a good explanation, and good edit summary, visiting editors are likely to revert without doing detailed checking. Be sure you are fixing the right problem: wikifying will not solve a notability problem, for example. Notinasnaid 12:35, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Wikification has to do with making relevant links to other Wikipedia articles and has nothing to do with notability. In order to fix a question of an article's notability, one would need to add material to the article with references. The sine qua non of notability is being the subject of multiple independent reliable sources. So to answer your question in a roundabout fashion, removing a notability tag because one wikified the article would not be appropriate. However, generally anyone may remove a maintenance tag once the issue the tag flags has been dealt with.--Fuhghettaboutit 12:38, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

• Then without wikification can anyone remove that notability template (and other relevan template) too. Thanks in advance--NAHID 12:53, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

  Anyone can remove the template, but they shouldn't unless the article has been edited to demonstrate notability. --ais523 12:56, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Creating a new article

Help Me

How do you submit an article to Wikipedia

Lou Soffer

Hi! Please read the Very Frequently Asked Questions linked to at the very top of this page. You should find your answer there. Thanks. -SpuriousQ (talk) 13:06, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

If you're interested in creating an article, read the Introduction and Tutorial first if you haven't already, then read Wikipedia:Your first article and finally Help:Creating a new page. --ais523 13:11, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Can I use the random article link on my site?

Dear Staff, I want to use the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Random link in my own website. People'll click it and see a random information . That can be my site's main idea or just a portion of it. Why I ask is that, i wanna know if it is permitted or not. I want it to be legal. I couldnt see any infomation about that in help section Thanks

Go wild. Since your visitors will land on this website after clicking the link, why not? Xiner (talk, email) 15:33, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

In fact, feel free to link anything on Wikipedia on your website. Just as long as you don't ask people to vandalise the articles in question. x42bn6 Talk 16:39, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Creating a 'home page'

Hi - I saw somewhere a while ago, a sort of Wikipedia 'home page' for a British medical school, with information relevant to their course, I can't remember which one though. I would like to create one for Liverpool, and I was wondering how I would go about it?

We don't create "home pages". This is an encyclopedia and the term I believe that you're looking for is "article". Many schools have articles of their own but these are not meant as advertisements or to catalog available courses in detail. You're welcome to create an article for another school if the school is notable. Some links to help you do this would be WP:SCHOOLS and Help:Starting a new page. Dismas|^(talk) 14:29, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

how do i post an article in wikipedia

how do i post my own article in wikipedia??

Please see Help:Starting a new page. utcursch | talk 14:02, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

By the way; it will never be your own article. Adrian M. H. 21:33, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Blocked user

At User talk:69.252.158.32 it is indicated that this user is blocked indefinitely. At Special:Contributions/69.252.158.32, it seems he/she is back, adding his nonsense to the same pages he edited before. (He was not blocked for adding nonsense, but for death threats towards a fellow editor.) How's that happened?--Niels Ø (noe) 14:15, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

I've blocked the IP for three months, as it is most likely the same person. Btw, WP:ANI is a good place to list this sort of report. Xiner (talk, email) 15:10, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

5th Grade Project information needed on Math and Video Game Designing

My child is in the fifth grade. He has decided that he wants to become a Video Game Designer when he is older. He has to tell the class the types of math that is used in this career as well as how, where, why, when, what. He then has to do a project that is creative showing this information to the class. I have looked on the internet for two days and can't seem to find the information that he needs. His project is due in one week. Does anyone know how I can get this type of information for him?

Thank you, 70.106.175.246 15:07, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

I would ask the Reference Desk Scottydude 15:09, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

I would start with Video game, Game designer (especially Game designer#External links), and Game development. A Google Search pops up: gamasutra.com. For the math angle, follow the links to articles about the various components that go into game development. Every aspect of a video game depends on mathematics, but in some cases the people who actually work on designing a game might not use the mathematics directly. For example, the musician who records the game soundtrack and music will undoubtedly use digital recording and effects, but he or she probably will not have detailed knowledge of all the mathematics that went into building the musical production tools, such as physical modeling synthesis. In contrast, a game programmer who works with 3D rendering may have to confront some math directly, but probably only if he or she is pushing the state of the art beyond what has been encapsulated into the game design tools. Maybe the heaviest math involvement would not be in the game design itself, but in the design of tools that game designers use (I'm not sure because I haven't investigated it). If your son is going to become a game designer, he needs to know how to search for all this stuff, but we can cut him some slack if he's only in the fifth grade. You might see if you can arrange a visit to a video game company for him, to see how the process works from the inside. Also note: by the time your son reaches adulthood, video game technology will probably be very different than it is today, so whatever he says in his school project will be ancient history by the time he could actually work in the industry. However, the overall principles should still be similar. --Teratornis 19:08, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Mapping, skinning, modeling, programming, designers will have to do it all. -Wooty Woot? contribs 20:39, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Hi and help

Hi my name is...you know and i want my username changed because it is to long! How do i archive this?--Takaomi I. Shimoi 16:21, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Replied on user talk page. Friday (talk) 16:22, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Establishing a new wiki

I am with non-profit organization (www.groundwork.org) that is working on an eco-village project in China. We are attempting to establish an international team collaborating via the internet. It looks like wikis would be a good way to do that. I am looking for someone who would be willing to give us some advice on how to go about doing this. Is there anyone here that might want to do that or can you tell me of a forum or other place where I might ask?

Thanks for any help,

Huck

You might want to see b:Wiki Science/How to start a Wiki for a guide to setting up your own wiki (independent from Wikipedia), from Wikipedia's sister site Wikibooks. --ais523 16:37, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

It sounds like Wikia.com would be more suitable. Xiner (talk, email) 16:45, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

That's one of the wiki-hosting sites mentioned in the page I linked; there are others available. --ais523 16:47, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, I was responding to Wikibooks. Your link is more balanced, yes. Xiner (talk, email) 16:51, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Also see m:Wiki on a stick. Depending on how "rustic" the eco-village project is, maybe the field workers will spend time outside of Internet access. In that case, they can carry stand-alone copies of your wiki on their laptops, to refer to documents and take notes. However, they will have to manually edit any changes they made back into the central project wiki when they get back to a place with Internet access. The wiki on a stick is just a static snapshot of the central wiki at a given time, and it goes out of date as people continue to edit the central wiki. The wiki on a stick is useful for reading well-edited pages that do not change often. To set up something like that, your project probably needs a volunteer or paid employee with system administration skills. Any competent system administrator who has, for example, set up a public Web site, can easily learn to install and administer MediaWiki. If you have no one with those skills, and no budget to hire someone, I recommend that you search WikiIndex for existing public wikis that support projects of your type. For example, see all the ecology wikis. Maybe you can find an existing wiki that your project can use. --Teratornis 19:24, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Sinbad

is not dead, heard this is only a bad rumor

A) Which Sinbad are you referring to? The actor (who, you are correct, is not dead) or the fictional character? B) Was there somewhere on this site that mentioned that they had actually died? Dismas|^(talk) 17:01, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Well, Sinbad (actor) has been WP:OFFICE protected and there are "interesting" things on the talk page, so I guess it is this Sinbad? x42bn6 Talk 02:13, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

copyrighted images

User:Qweenb has been uploading a number of photos that do not have adequate source or copyright info/licenses. I've removed all of them that weren't already removed by other editors. I've already told them that they're not supposed to be doing this. Is there a way to report this? WP:AIV doesn't seem like the right place since this isn't really vandalism. They're making a lot of good edits at the same time by adding infoboxes and such. So what can I do? Dismas|^(talk) 17:35, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

I'd say WP:ANI. If the user doesn't heed copyright warnings, they'll need to be blocked. Xiner (talk, email) 17:38, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

K, thanks! Dismas|^(talk) 18:20, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

AFD

How many times an article can be nominated for AFD deletion (and prod deletion)? Is there any limit?--NAHID 18:08, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

No, but you should consider your chances and see if there's another way to resolve the problem. Xiner (talk, email) 18:11, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

AfD is unlimited, but nominations are likely to be speedy-closed if you're nominating an article unreasonably quickly. WP:PROD has a limit of once ever (if an article has been prodded before, further deletion attempts must go through AfD if they aren't speedied). --ais523 18:15, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

• There's no limit on AFD, but you should think really hard before renominating something. You need to be able to show that something changed since the last AFD or that policy wasn't followed in which case you'd have to go through deletion review first. - Mgm|^(talk) 22:04, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Vandaled site

The site for Davidson Fine Arts School in Augusta Georgia was vandalized and that link is still active on Goggle and Yahoo eventhough the corrections have been made in Wikipedia. I can not figure out how to tell who did the vandalization or how to get google and yahoo to refresh the links. Please assist a Media Specialist who is attempting to learn your product. Also, I believe we should be able to protect the correct information but we need help to know how to do this.

Sincerely, Jeff Pullium Media Center of DavidsonFineArts

Google and Yahoo update their listings according to their own schedules. There is no way to force them to update. Page protection is possible but is normally only used for cases of repeated vandalism to an article. See WP:RFP for more. Dismas|^(talk) 18:33, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

upload thumbnails

How do I upload a thumbnail INTO a page?

I have located the instruction that show me what to write, i.e.

Float to the right side of the page without a caption:

But then what?

I have already uploaded the image I want into wikipedia. The image is Carey_Harrison_0133.jpg

I tried writing this in under without a caption:

But when I saved the changes all I got on my page were the words, Float to the right side of the page etc

How do I actually edit so that the page acquires the thumbnail?

Thank you

Careyh 18:35, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

I've added the image for you. I'll put a list of helpful links, as part of a welcome message, on your talk page... Dismas|^(talk) 18:39, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

PrintCity 'copyright violation' message on Wikipedia

Hi,

I just posted a short description of my organisation 'PrintCity' on Wikipedia tonight (15.3.07) but your site now tells me taht you consider this posting a copyright violation.

How can this be please?

I am responsible for PrintCity and I posted the PrintCity page myself.

i am new to Wikipedia so please explain what I have done wrong (if anything).

Thank you,

David Stamp PrintCity

Tel: + 44 15242 76425

Email: <e-mail address removed>

It has copied text from the web site for your company. That text is copyrighted. You own the copyright. In order to post text to this site, it must be released under the GFDL like it says at the bottom of every single page. Also, the article will be deleted because it reads like an advertisement. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not an advertising medium. Also, your company may not be notable enough for an article. Please see WP:CORP as well as WP:AUTO. Dismas|^(talk) 19:29, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Also, WP:COI for information about conflicts of interest (creating an article about a subject that you're closely involved with) --Maelwys 19:33, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

A whole heap of major policy issues with your article, basically. Read the answers at Wikipedia:Help_desk#Posting_Feature. - Adrian M. H. 21:39, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Corporate bios as articles

I recently stumbled upon an article about someone I know. When I went back today to source it and fix the catgories, I realized that it is taken verbatim from his executive bio on his company's website. I also noticed that he created the article almost a year ago. There is not much available in the way of other sources, so re-writing the article will turn it into more of a stub than it already is. But the article may be okay according to wp:blp#Using the subject as a source. What's the best way to proceed?--67.161.13.243 19:41, 15 March 2007 (UTC) (I'm using my IP address for this because I don't want him to know it was me questioning his page.)

I've listed the page for speedy deletion because I think it's non-notable, but would like someone else to confirm that. Xiner (talk, email) 19:57, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

I'm in a deletionist mood, so I would probably agree. The company itself is notable enough, and that's where facts about the CEO should be. Adrian M. H. 21:42, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

• It's fine to use the subject as a source of all sorts of information, but we need at least one other source to determine whether the subject is notable which is something they can't determine themselves. - Mgm|^(talk) 22:02, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

What is the WP:NOR policy on topics with more than one subject?

Hi, there is an issue going on at Talk:Islam and antisemitism, where a user is asserting that unless a source mentions both Islam and antisemitism, it is original research. I can't find this in WP:NOR. Can someone help me? Also, does this has ramifications for all the other articles with similar names: Mormonism and Judaism, Trade and usage of saffron, Redwood National and State Parks? Thanks. --Ķĩřβȳ♥ŤįɱéØ 19:59, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

In only the first of these is the use of "and" semantically analogous.Proabivouac 20:08, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

A source that only mentions Islam xor Antisemitism should be fine, as long as it verifies a fact or argument. That's all. However, there may be a case where a source describes Islam, but does not take into account Antisemitism and is thus erroneous, although this is not always the case. Vice versa may happen as well. Gracenotes^T § 20:17, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

External link opening to new window

How to I add an external link to a page that opens automatically into a new browser window? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jausel (talk • contribs).

1. You can't. You could probably make it so that all links open in a new window for you by altering your monobook.js (ask at the technical village pump if you need assistance with that), or just right click on a link and select "Open link in new window". However, you cannot make others open a link in a new window -- MediaWiki doesn't allow it. Gracenotes^T § 20:39, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Please don't do this. I, for one, hate it when links open in new windows. If I want something in a new window, I'll right click to do it. Dismas|^(talk) 21:02, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Bus routes?

Are lists of bus routes appropriate material for Wikipedia? This came up when one of these showed up in the list of the longest articles. Clarityfiend 20:34, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

They might be. I'm not aware of any consensus either way. Unfortunatley you won't get a whole lot of input here, though. I suggest you try opening a Request for Comment to get wide input from the community. — coelacan — 20:41, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

• They might be if the route is particularly well known. (I wouldn't dispute I route listing for any of the lines on the London Underground) If it was my regional busline, I'd object. We have to draw a line somewhere and routes that are not part of a well-known system or pass multiple wellknown places are probably not a good idea to spend your time on. - Mgm|^(talk) 21:59, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

I found (and then lost) a guideline against your run-of-the-mill subway and train route, so I've created an RfC. There appear to be a lot of these articles. Clarityfiend 03:01, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

I responded at User:Clarityfiend/Bus route notability. --NE2 03:07, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Sounds like another opportunity to transwiki information rather than wastefully destroy it. WikiIndex's Category:Travel lists some wikis that might accept bus routes that seem non-notable to Wikipedia. Obviously, to all the people who ride a particular bus route, it's notable enough to them. Does anyone know of a wiki that specializes in transit routes and schedules? --Teratornis 02:50, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Lower dispute resolution than RfC

Does anyone know if there's a lower Please Help service than RfC? I've been - uh - charged, I guess - with trying to solve a dispute at Racism by country because I was "edit warring" with a user who kept deleting sourced content for changing reasons. Anyways, I put together a very tight replacement segment that (I foolishly figured) no one could really object to, as it's tightly sourced and says very little. Anyhow, the responses of other editors were things like Concluding discrimination based on ethnic differences is racism is original research and The U.S. Department of State, Amnesty International and the United Nations High Commission on Human Rights are not reliable sources or I don't think this is true. I only have so much time/effort, and I'd rather not devote it to dealing with this kind of stuff in a section I don't really care about - while it's unfortunate that it goes on, we all have to prioritise out editing time. But the admin who protected the page says he won't unprotect unless a consensus is reached. I've already offered a Lenin-esque No War - No Peace solution where I'd just let the section get blanked, since a lot of other parts of the article are a complete mess and I'd like to try to work on them, but I've been told No dice - find a consensus. I don't really feel like I should go to RfC with a short history and not that much discussion, but I also don't want to have to waste most of my editing time trying to find a consensus where it will take weeks or months if it's at all possible. I'm just not sure if there's a place I can go with this problem, rather than just tough it out. WilyD 13:26, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Third opinions might help. Gracenotes^T § 21:03, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Citing web sites

I know it is "illegal" to copy and paste information from other web sties. Can you paraphrase what someone said (from an external source/web site) and then make it a foot note/reference? according to the Biographies of living persons, "Material found in self-published books, zines, websites or blogs should never be used, unless written or published by the subject". According to this, I can not cite web sites (such as an article or interview) for credibility, however, this seams to be a common practise on Wikipedia. Can I "legally" cite other web site for facts? Thanks, Ncix 22:43, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Paraphrasing other websites and citing them is exactly what you should be doing. I'm confused as exactly the problem here. Unless the interview was published by the same person that was interviewed (not likely), it's fine. -Wooty Woot? contribs 22:45, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

• The word "self-published" refers to all the sources in that sentence. It's fine to cite a website, it's self-published websites that are problematic. You can cite them too, but not to establish notability. Just use common sense in determining if the cite you are sourcing is reliable or has ulterior motives. - Mgm|^(talk) 23:06, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Image upload- Portrait photos displayed as landscape

How do you get a portrait photo such as to disply correctly in an article, please? Vernon White (talk) 23:44, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Hi Vernon. You can use the following code:

[[Image:WarMemor.jpg|thumb|right|300px|A war memorial for something or other]]

Obviously, change the text :) "Thumb" means it will appear as a thumbnail, "right" will right align it (you can also have "left" or "center"), and "300px" is the size the image will display at (here, 300 pixels) Neil (not Proto ►) 23:50, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

I have also re-uploaded your image to Image:WarMemor.jpg (note the missing e in "jpg") so it is the right way up (you can do this with any image on your computer if you have Windows XP - just open it by double clicking on it, then right click on the image and pick "Rotate".) Neil (not Proto ►) 23:54, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

March 16

Apparently Incorrect Birth/Death Dates

I’ve come across two cases in the past two days where, in the lead paragraph of their respective articles, we give the “official” version of the subject’s date of birth or death, but later down it appears we have good reason to believe this date is wrong. That is, we know the true date, but we still prefer to show the “official” incorrect date.

• Lucia Santos is shown as being born on 22 March 1907, as per her birth certificate, yet we quickly discover that, according to Lucia herself, she was really born on 28 March. I’m not sure that we could accept that as independent evidence. I’m not saying she was telling a lie, but she could only have heard this from her parents, who were the very people who were happy to have her shown on the official record as being born on the wrong date. Is her own published statement sufficient to displace the official record?

• Edith Piaf is shown in the lead para as dying on 11 October 1963, yet in "Death and legacy" we say this was the “official” date, and she really died on 10 October. There is no cited evidence for this, just a bald assertion. I’ve asked a question on her talk page to discover how we know this is true.

I'm concerned that we seem to be saying contradictory things about people. Much better to be consistently wrong than have a foot in both camps. If we really are satisfied that an event occurred on a particular date, maybe we should say so - and then explain why a different date appears in other publications. OTOH, if we are are bound by WP policy to show only dates that have been published, can we have a footnote or whatever to explain that there is evidence for an alternative date?

What is Wikipedia’s policy in such cases? JackofOz 00:45, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

I don't believe there is an established policy on this. However, why do you think it is necessarily better to be consistently wrong, rather than to have a foot in both camps? -- Chairman S. Talk ^Contribs 00:56, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

In the Edith Piaf article, at "Death and legacy", it says:

"At the early age of forty-seven, Piaf died of cancer at Plascassier, on the French Riviera, on 10 October 1963, one day before her friend Jean Cocteau died. Her body was returned to Paris where her death was not announced until 11 October, and it was given as the official date of her death."

However, in the lead para, we say she died on 11 October (with a footnote saying this is wrong).

So, in one place, we prefer the 10 October version, but in another we prefer the 11 October version (but then immediately deny its veracity). This is confusing. We seem to be speaking with 2 voices. Better to choose one date and give it in both places - then explain why the other date appears in the literature and why we prefer ours. If our chosen date later turns out to be the wrong one, we can fix it. JackofOz 01:04, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

• I'd say it's better to mention the inconsistencies to avoid edit warring over such dates. - Mgm|^(talk) 06:01, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

We shouldn't be including dates which are not sourced. Corvus cornix 17:57, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

WWI

how long of a time do you have to be registered to be able to edit World War One?

Immediately. Make sure you're logged in. Xiner (talk, email) 01:31, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Actually, wasn't it like 4 days or so before they are allowed (if newly registered)? --- Hdt83 | Talk/Chat 02:15, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

I'm getting stupid. I'm staying away from this board for a week. Xiner (talk, email) 02:29, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Restricting edits

How do I request that a block be put on an article to limit vandalism by non-registered users? Pamela Anderson has been vandalised several times today and that is not unusual.--Vbd (talk) 02:46, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

You're looking for WP:RFPP. -SpuriousQ (talk) 02:48, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks! It has now been blocked, but I am curious as to why the admin has not (yet) put a notice tag on the page. Is that not usually done? Or am I being impatient?--Vbd (talk) 05:02, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

The admin used the {{sprotect2}} which only puts up a little padlock icon on the upper right. Actually, {{sprotect2}} is only used for long-term protection. Short term protection should use the {{sprotect}} without the 2; this shows the "article locked" box. You could talk to the admin about it but the page is still protected. --- Hdt83 | Talk/Chat 05:30, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

I changed it for you. Prodego ^talk 19:38, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

finding cleanup pages in certain categories

Is there a simple way to find all pages that are tagged both with a certain category and with a certain template? For example, I'd like to find all articles tagged {{wikify}} in Category:Fashion. Thanks for your help! Calliopejen 03:17, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

The only way I know of is to use AutoWikiBrowser (WP:AWB): load up your category, and then look for those articles that contain the string "wikify". Though if there's a better solution, I'd be very interested in using it... tiZom_(2¢) 04:30, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Talk:Travis McCoy

The article appears to appeal to vandals. The talk page is becoming littered with comments that feed the trolls. Is it appropriate to clear out the page, especially starting with "Is he half White and Black?" ? I think so, but I thought that I should ask for a second opinion. If you agree, then please clear it. Thanks! Royalbroil ^T : C 03:58, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

I thought that you should never clear talk pages, but may archive them. Canadianshoper 05:11, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

• (edit conflict) The vandalism guideline has a section that specifically addresses talk page vandalism. Removing other users comments or blanking the page might be considered an act of vandalism on your part. One option would be to archive the existing comments and start fresh that way. Or if things are really getting offensive, you may need to start putting vandalism warnings (like {{subst:Uw-chat1|Article}}) on users' talk pages.--Vbd (talk) 05:24, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the replies. I was concerned about the {{WPBiography}} statement: "Controversial material of any kind that is unsourced or poorly sourced must be removed immediately, especially if potentially libelous." Archiving seems like a reasonable solution, so I archive the problematic troll-feeding text. It adds no value to the talk page. I have already handed out quite a few warnings for contributions to the main page on this article. Thanks for you suggestions! Royalbroil ^T : C 12:21, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia Editing

Is there a ranking system for contributors to the website?

Indianballer111 04:31, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:List of Wikipedians by number of edits. Royalbroil ^T : C 04:33, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Note, however, that a user's edit count should be taken with a grain of salt - and is no indication of whether or not that editor is a valuable contributor. -- Chairman S. Talk ^Contribs 08:23, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Please avoid catching editcountitis - Adrian M. H. 18:26, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Broome Visitor Centre

Hi,

The Broome Visitor Centre has moved, could you please update the address and email details to reflect those available at www.broomevisitorcentre.com.au

Many thanks.

Hello, if you could tell us what article this is in then we can change it for you. Also, you can change it yourself. Just click the 'edit' button and change the section. Thanks. --- Hdt83 | Talk/Chat 04:55, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

The article on Broome, Western Australia does not seem to mention the Visitor Center. Even if it did, listing its address and e-mail details might violate the policy that Wikipedia is not a directory or the "Yellow Pages."--Vbd (talk) 05:34, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

NSW election candidates

Hi How are you. I have tried to link a page about myself to my name on the Candidates list in 'Candidates of the New South Wales legislative election, 2007' from Chris Ryan (Labor candidate for Albury) and do not seam to have been successful what do I do. it linked when I did it but the link had disappeared when I reopened it.

Best Regards

Chris Ryan —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Kerry1949 (talk • contribs).

The link appears fine for me. Have you tried refreshing the page in your browser? -- Chairman S. Talk ^Contribs 08:20, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

india tourism day

sir, I want to know that why india observe 25th january as india tourism day? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Bcdsasasasaa (talk • contribs).

Try asking this at the Reference Desk. This page is for questions about the editing of Wikipedia. -SpuriousQ (talk) 11:47, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

HEADERS

If I want to change a headr, or have a suggestion for a better one, is there any avenue by which I may achieve this? My suggestion, if you can help, is the match the Sima (geology) article with the Sial article, to create Sial (geology).

WikieWikieWikie 14:02, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

I think you're suggesting a merge or a move. If you think an article should be merged with an existing article (combined into one single text), follow these steps:

1. Add the template {{merge|OTHER PAGE}} to the pages you want to merge.
2. Post a discussion on the article's talk pages about why you think they should be combined. Don't forget to sign your comments.

If you think it would be better to simply rename a single article, click the "move" link at the top of the page. Follow the steps on that page, and submit the form. The page will be renamed to the new article.

I hope this helps. Please let us know if this wasn't quite what you were asking. Hersfold ^(talk/work) 20:16, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Who should I alert about {{Uncategorized}} and stub types?

Currently, it appears that {{Uncategorized}} is automatically added to stubs which have a specific stub category anyway, like Ottoman Empire stubs or whatever. Where should the proposal be made to change this feature of the bot repsonsible? -- Lenoxus 14:14, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Ahhhh. Automated Bots often add uncategorized to uncategorized articles, reguardless of them being stubs or not. Adding them as a stub adds them to a stub category; but this is not a proper category. You should categorize the articles yourself. Which is simple enough. Retiono Virginian 15:02, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Why are stub categories not "proper"? -- Lenoxus 15:41, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Because as soon as the article is expanded, the stub template will be removed and the stub category will disappear with it. Every article needs permanent categories that aren't dependent on stub (or any other) status. --Tkynerd 16:15, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

So it's not considered a "bad" redundancy for a given article to have both the categories Basketball and Basketball stubs, for example? — Lenoxus 18:38, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Why have my images been deleted?

I made a new article for Funny Girls, a showbar in Blackpool. I uploaded personal images, and mentioned in the details the correct copywrite details, and permissions, but user 'Jimfbleak' has deleted all of my images, claiming they are not released under GFDL licence whatever that means, but I know these images have no problems, and that they CAN be used! They havent simply been disabled, this user has DELETED them!!

I dont understand why! Is there some way to get my files back and my article reverted to before this malicious delete?!

Many thanks, TR_Wolf TR 18:47, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Images must be suitably licensed, otherwise they will be deleted ASAP. And with very good reason; copyright law is a serious matter. That they were "your" images is irrelevant if you do not release and license them in the correct way. Such information can be found in Wikipedia's policy guidelines. Adrian M. H. 18:51, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Incidentally, your article is unsourced, so I have tagged it accordingly. Adrian M. H. 18:53, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Please don't accuse other users of being malicious. To keep everything nice we have policies Wikipedia:Be civil and Wikipedia:No personal attacks. I hope we can help you learn what you need about image licensing, on which there are very strict rules to keep Wikiedpa from being sued. If you don't know what GFDL is, that's something we may have to help you learn. What licensing (and conditions) did you put for the images? Notinasnaid 18:55, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

You asked here 14 minutes after you already asked User:Jimfbleak the same question. Why not wait for his reply since he would know why he did anything? Dismas|^(talk) 18:56, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Berkeley Springs article

I just edited out false information about gang violence in Berkeley Springs and more particularly drive bys in front of my movie theater, the Star, which was specifically named. There has NEVER been a drive by in Berkeley Springs let alone in front of my theater. I have owned it since 1977 and work there every night the theater is open. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 4.248.250.3 (talk • contribs).

Good catch, the content you removed was vandalism that slipped by for a couple of weeks. This unfortunately occurs once in a while. There's no real need to report it here. -SpuriousQ (talk) 20:04, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Possible commercial link spam

Are all of 70.127.191.142's contributions commercial spam links? Should these be reverted? Thanks for your help. BazookaJoe 20:13, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

I think that this definitely falls under 'objectionable amounts of advertising', and the information isn't exactly amazing revelations: "Milk allergy diets. You need to eliminate milk and dairy products containing milk.". I'm going to roll them all back. Veinor ^{(talk to me)} 20:18, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Checking now... Hersfold ^(talk/work) 20:17, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

It's hard to tell. It appears the link existed under "External Links" on the Food Allergy article beforehand, and I think the IP may have been trying to add it as an additional resource in good faith to other pages. However, the edits have been reverted. I didn't look at the site myself, so it's possible it was linkspam being spread by the IP, even if it wasn't originally introduced by them. Hersfold ^(talk/work) 20:22, 16 March 2007 (UTC) (P.S. - I'll go with Venior's judgement. Makes sense.)

Page listed for deletion

Someone has listed my page for deletion. I've already left a comment in their talk page (slightly angry unfortunately), but if they don't take the proposal off it I was wondering how to appeal to you guys at Wiki for the non-deletion of it. The page is Tyrian Weapons if you want to take a look at it. Alxnotorious 20:15, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

For a proposed deletion, you just remove the template. Note that whoever nominated it will probably then put it up for Articles for Deletion. Veinor ^{(talk to me)} 20:16, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

The tag clearly states that you can improve the article and remove the tag. But as stated, the person who put the prod tag there will likely nominate it at WP:AFD for deletion. Dismas|^(talk) 20:18, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

It would be wise to correct its shortcomings before removing the tag. Then your argument will be more valid. Though, to be frank, I would seriously question the article's notability and validity. If such information has any value, it belongs in an article about the game itself. I will not do so in this case, but I would normally nominate an article such as this for deletion at WP:AFD. Adrian M. H. 21:11, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Actually, that makes sense to move the article to the game's article. I'll do that right away. Thanks for the idea. Alxnotorious 02:34, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

How the 113H do I get this to show changes?

document.editform.submit();
I changed it to:
document.editform.showchanges();,
document.editform.ShowChanges();,
document.editform.Show Changes();,
document.editform.show changes();,
document.editform.show_changes();,
document.editform.Show_Changes();,
document.editform.Show_changes();,
document.editform.show_Changes();,
document.editform.Showchanges,(); and
document.editform.showChanges();.
How come it will not work?????????? -- Darkest Hour 20:21, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Uh... could you explain what you're trying to do? I don't understand. Hersfold ^(talk/work) 20:23, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

I'm trying to get the autoclick to choose "show changes". I got the save part down and I want the show changes to work but it will not. Whatsoever.... Darkest Hour 21:20, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

You want "wpDiff". -Amarkov moo! 22:34, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

search on user page

how do i get [1]

search boxes on my user page?--The Negotiator 20:53, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

I don't think you can. Do you see anyone else's pages with search bars? If so, point them out and I'll help you put them on your page. But as far as I know you can't do this. — coelacan — 00:02, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

No I don't..--The Negotiator 11:02, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Upload file

I cannot upload this. It says file is M-T (empty). What am I doing wrong? -- Darkest Hour 21:24, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Hi, I don't think Wikipedia supports the ICO file format. Please see Wikipedia:Image_use_policy#Format. --KFP (talk | contribs) 21:28, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Why isn't my page editing permanent?

Last night I was online editing http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Willing_Well_IV:_The_Final_Cut#Music_Video. When I signed back on today, the page had returned to the previous night's original text, word for word. Why?

Because someone reverted your changes. I reccommend discussing with them. -Amarkov moo! 22:33, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks!

Links

What if I add a link that doesn't work the way it's supposed to? I added a link to the archenemy page labeled Spike that's supposed to lead to the page about the fictional character on the tv series Buffy The Vampire Slayer, but instead leads to a disambiguation page. The same is true of the Buffy link I added, and the Angelus link leads to something that has nothing to do with the tv character.

Try this: Wikipedia:Piped link. — coelacan — 00:01, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

(edit conflict)Spike is a common name and has many other uses. You need to redo the link. I assume you want to link to Spike (Buffyverse). To have the link show up as Spike, write it as [[Spike (Buffyverse)|Spike]]. Again with Buffy, to go straight to the character, [[Buffy Summers|Buffy]]. For Angelus, use [[Angel (Buffyverse)|Angelus]]. Mr.Z-mantalk¢Review! 00:03, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Thank you!

Basically, instead of using Spike, use [[Spike (Buffyverse)|Spike]]. -- Chairman S. Talk ^Contribs 00:03, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

March 17

why article's history page doesn't show the changes I made but my contribution pages show them?

Article history pages doesn't show I made any changes: [2]

but my contribution page shows them: [3]

The changes I made to Ghaem Magham Farahani remianed in the article but its history page doesn't show them. what happened?Farmanesh 00:17, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

I see the changes that you're made, if that helps :) Perhaps you should bypass your cache? It doesn't appear to be a server-side problem, but who knows, it's probably just a quirk. The problem happened to a lot of people a couple of days ago. Gracenotes^T § 00:20, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Probably because the server might be a bit slow in updating. Wait a few seconds and it'll show the changes. --KZ ^{Talk • Vandal • Contrib} 00:25, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Minor Edits

Is stub sorting considered a minor edit? Its not really adding much content, but it does change categoriztion and appearance. Mr.Z-mantalk¢Review! 01:22, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Yup, it's only superficial, and it doesn't really add content. But some editors see it differently. It's up to you to make the pick, but I'd strongly suggest marking as minor. The Evil Clown _{Please review me!} 01:33, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

are there any proffesional historians who post here?

are there any proffesional historians who post here?

Wikipedia:Wikipedians with articles might be a helpful page, and lists several notable historians. If you have a question about history, please ask it here. In addition, if you want to contact any historian, I would suggest not doing it on Wikipedia, but there's not a rule against it. Gracenotes^T § 01:55, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Linking to Wikimedia commons

I have put a photograph in Wikimedia Commons. I would like to create a link from a Wikipedia article to this photo. Can you point me to where I'll find the necessary help.Bebofpenge 03:28, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Hello, there. If you want to link to the file, type [[:Image:name.ext]]. If you want to display the image, you can type [[Image:name.ext|thumb|right|200px|Caption text.]]. Wodup 03:53, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Warrior Librarian

Hi there,

I was going to try to create an entry for Warrior Librarian, but reading your guidelines I'm not allowed to 'publicise' my own material (?)

Google produces over 400,000 hits for "warrior librarian", and most of them relate either to my website, myself, or other references to either.

I couldn't quite work out how to 'request' an entry ... and I'm out of time now. Sigh.

If someone else can 'do' the base entry, maybe I can add to it?

Warrior Librarian is:

• A cartoon charactor created by Australian library humorist and author Amanda Credaro; also occassionally used as a psuedonym by same.
• A registered (in Australia) business name
• The host website for Warrior Librarian Weekly, a satirical online library journal (ISSN 1445-9124)

Thanks in advance for any advice or information. WarriorLibrarian

Thank you for reading some policy pages before starting. Lots more are here. Since you seem to be a published author, not to mention a librarian, you are worlds ahead of most new Wikipedia users; you won't have any trouble becoming a productive contributor here. In fact, Wikipedia has a screaming need for people like you, to fill in some of the millions of missing references. Some tips on starting your article:

• You could request an article at: Wikipedia:Requested articles.
• You could request editing assistance on one or more WikiProjects relating to your topic. For example, perhaps:
  • Wikipedia:WikiProject Australia
  • Wikipedia:WikiProject_Council/Directory/Culture#Comics - maybe: Wikipedia:WikiProject Webcomics
  • Look for articles related to your topic, and check their talk pages for WikiProject banners.
  • I was suprised to see no library project banners on Talk:Library or Talk:Librarian. Is there no WikiProject for library-related articles? I would think librarians would be the first to organize their articles here under a WikiProject. If there really isn't such a project, perhaps you should start one (see: WP:PROJGUIDE if you get that ambitious).
• You could help the process along by starting a user sub-page such as: User:WarriorLibrarian/Warrior Librarian (just click that red link to get going), and start writing. See WP:LAYOUT. When you have something that looks like an article, come back here and ask for some experienced editors to review it. Then when it's in shape, someone can copy the content to the real Warrior Librarian article.
  • Quality references are the most important missing items for many new articles. You can help other editors who work on the article by listing definitive references on User:WarriorLibrarian/Warrior Librarian. Since we're lazy, it helps if copies of the references are readable online. The most useful kind of references for establish a subject's notability are reputable publications that write about it, other than the subject's official site itself.
  • Even though WP:COI says not to write about yourself or any organization you are personally involved with, WP:IAR says to ignore all rules when they get in the way of improving or maintaining Wikipedia. However, brand-new users typically don't have the level of editing experience on Wikipedia to know how to break (I prefer: creatively interpret) the rules the right way; that kind of know-how might take a year and a thousand edits to accumulate (probably less for a librarian). It's perfectly fine to write about yourself or your own organization or invention or whatever as long as (and this is very heavy emphasis) you write as if you are not personally involved. Wikipedia does not formally keep track of who is writing about what; we just want it to look as if everyone is writing impartially (i.e., neutrally). For example, I strongly suspect topics such as MediaWiki and Microsoft receive significant input from people with personal involvement in those topics. However, those articles don't suffer from the kind of peacock language which is the dead giveaway for naive attempts at promotion here. If you can write about your topic in neutral style, then have at it. The best way to learn is by studying some featured articles; those illustrate what you're aiming for.
    • However, given that you chose a user name which obviously identifies you as having an interest in this topic, an overzealous deletionist might apply the letter of the WP:COI law, and tag your article for speedy deletion regardless of quality, if you start it yourself.
• Be aware there are many wikis. Wikipedia has perhaps the most elaborate and exacting rules of any wiki on Earth (this is the most complicated wiki I have yet seen). There are probably other wikis which don't have a problem with you writing about your own creation. Search WikiIndex for some appropriate wiki. Having another outlet for your writing makes edit wars on Wikipedia seem less threatening.
• When you mention a Google search in discussion pages like this one, you can link to it like this: google:Warrior Librarian. (You have to use   to represent the space between search terms for the link to work. That's an example of an interwiki link being somewhat misused to link to a site that isn't a wiki.) However, as you probably gather, Google searches do not constitute adequate references for article pages themselves, because their results continuously change.

Good luck, and welcome to Wikipedia. --Teratornis 15:58, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

ES builder

Can anybody tell me what ES builder does, please? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Dudforreal (talk • contribs) 06:06, 17 March 2007 (UTC).

ES builder?--SUIT^양복 06:33, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Yes, ES builder, do you know what it does?Dudforreal 06:37, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Can you give us a clue about where in Wikipedia ES Builder is used, or the Wikipedia connection? I just searched the whole of the English Wikipedia for the phrase [4] and didn't find it. Notinasnaid 10:05, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

• You probably want to ask at the reference desk. - Mgm|^(talk) 14:47, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

ThankyouDudforreal 05:52, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Changing a category name

Someone has changed the name of a category that an article I frequently edit is part of. How do I change the category name back? Thank you. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Caleb Murdock (talk • contribs) 09:31, 17 March 2007 (UTC).

I've heard of these, it's categories that have been proposed name changes since a certain date, and changing the name back would not help in any way and probabally would be reverted back again, or something like that. I'm not sure on that part, but to me, it sounds right.....an admin could explain it better anyway..... Captain Drake Van Hellsing 10:21, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

• If you told us what category it is, we could find out why it was renamed in the first place. - Mgm|^(talk) 14:46, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Contact Information

Hi, I'm wondering what WP policy is in regards to provision of Contact info at the end of articles. See, for example, Durbar Mahila Samanwaya Committee, Grihshobha. Is this something that is encouraged? Doesn't it make the article look a bit like an advertisement? Johnfos 09:42, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

You're right. I've removed it. --Cherry blossom tree 12:29, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

• I've only ever seen contact information in articles about ongoing disasters. Removing them from any other type of article is indeed the correct thing to do. - Mgm|^(talk) 14:44, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

It's all very well to say that the Contact info should be deleted, but wouldn't you consider writing to the user concerned to ask for it not to be included in the first place. Thanks. Johnfos 23:20, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

reporting Copyvios of wikipedia

I know we have many places for reporting copyvios on wikipedia, and there's wikipedia:Mirrors and forks for verbatim copiers, but where do I post about someone who's reused some content and violated the GFDL, but not actually forked the encyclopedia? I posted on wikipedia talk:copyrights, but that's obviously less than ideal.Night Gyr (talk/Oy) 10:01, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Report them on the Administrator's Noticeboard. Real96 10:06, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

how do i...

how do i create a new article and put in on wikipedia? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Heathbear1989 (talk • contribs) 13:52, 17 March 2007 (UTC).

• Basically the same way you asked this question. Try Wikipedia:Tutorial and Wikipedia:Your first article to get started. - Mgm|^(talk) 14:24, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

And you also want WP:VFAQ especially Wikipedia:How to start a page. - Mgm|^(talk) 14:25, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

And watch the MediaWiki training videos. --Teratornis 14:36, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Learning the ropes

The current lesson at the Virtual classroom is Learning the ropes.

The Transhumanist   15:09, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Reliable website

Is http://www.ex.ac.uk/~watupman/undergrad/aac/index.htm considered reliable source? S. Miyano 15:26, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Hmmmm. It depends on the website. It's best to use only published sources for wikipedia. As some website sources are not always going to be true. Examine the website, its quality, its language and its text. If it's consisting of nonsense, don't put anything it says on wikipedia; thanks. Retiono Virginian 15:37, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

The introduction page to the site states "Finally, there is a Links Page. Where possible I have used online sources to research the arguments and information displayed in this website. There are links throughout the pages: as authors or documents are mentioned, a hyperlink is provided to the source in question. In addition to these links, a country-by-country guide to organisations lobbying for sex worker rights, opposing prostitution or providing debate or information is included, totalling well over two hundred external links." If their sources are reliable, it would seem that they would be reliable as well. Dismas|^(talk) 15:43, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

I guess I'll have to examine this source more carefully before taking information from it. Thank you for the replies S. Miyano 16:09, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

If possible, you should follow relevant external links in the article to their source, and cite that, rather than citing a source that cites a source. In other words, don't cite XYZ website, which gets cites info from ABC newspaper, if you can follow the link to ABC newspaper and add info from a newspaper article. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 22:36, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

OR policy: deletation or putting {{fact}}/OR/Unreferenced

I am puzzeled. If an article has OR problem what should be done, should we just delete the OR part and blank that section of article or should we place one of these signs there :{{fact}}/{{OR}}/{{Unreferenced}}

I appricite if you give me the answer in a refrenced way to established wikipedia policies (just to avoid OR problem here).Farmanesh 16:12, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

It depends. If the OR is about a living person, then it must be removed immediately, and you are allowed to revert war to keep it out until it gets a citation. If it's not, though, then there's no policy that covers what to do, but the best thing is to slap a tag on it, list your problems on the talk page, and then delete whatever remains OR after two weeks or so. -Amarkov moo! 16:17, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the answer. I undrestand the living person part but my question is about other things. So as you say there is no policy regarding what to do with other ORs? Then why you are proposing to delete OR section after few weeks of being tagged? If there is no established policy one might say having OR-tagged section is better than a blank page... any answer for that based on established policy? If not doesn't that just allow for edit-war?Farmanesh 16:21, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Not everything must be based on established policy. Having said that, you are deleting it after a few weeks because it is prohibited by WP:OR, but you wanted to give the information a chance in case it wasn't what it looked like. And one might indeed disagree with you, so you'll then have to discuss it with that one. And if you can't come to an agreement, you'll have to go through dispute resolution. -Amarkov moo! 16:28, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

If you're looking for exact rules for each and every sentence in Wikipedia articles, you're going to be frustrated. Editing requires judgment. If some text is unreferenced, is it "original research" or is it simply lacking a cited source? My personal approach is to separate text into one of three categories:

• If it seems unreasonable (for example, text saying that Abraham Lincoln invested a large amount of money in a company that proposed to build a bridge between Alaska and Russia), then remove the text (saying in the edit summary that it's original research) and shift the burden of proof to someone who steps forward to defend the text (if anyone does, which often doesn't happen - the vandal/joker has moved on).
• If the text is plausible (for example, that a group of leading oil company executives gathered in Scotland in August 1928 to discuss cooperative marketing and pricing, worldwide), then the best thing is to put a "fact" tag on it if it might be questioned (for example, if it might be controversial).
• If the text is clearly uncontroversial but uncited (for example, in Nobel prize, the sentence The prizes were instituted by the Swedish scientist Alfred Nobel through his will in 1895; they were first awarded in 1901), don't put a "fact" tag on such text: the tag doesn't add anything useful at all, since there are tens of thousands of articles with such tags that no one has gotten to, months after being tagged. Save the "fact" tags for things that really are important. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 22:33, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Title category

I need to channge category title name how do I do it?

Order of corups christi should be The Order of Corpus Christi

thanks

Brother Rock —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Brotherrock (talk • contribs) 17:06, 17 March 2007 (UTC).

You have to move it the appropriate title. There is something at the top called move, and you can go on from there. The Evil Clown _{Please review me!} 17:26, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Creating columns on a page

Hi. I have a list (including subheadings) that i want to display as two columns, rather than one long list.
How do I achieve this? Thanks --Sparklism 18:40, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

1. There are currently two ways to do this: CSS divs, or tables. For this list:

• Foo
• Bar
• Baz
• Etc
• Content
• Stuff
• OMG

You could use CSS as follows:

• Foo
• Bar
• Baz
• Etc

• Content
• Stuff
• OMG

Or you could use tables:

Foo Bar Baz Etc

Content Stuff OMG

CSS3 will have the column-count attribute, which will do this automatically, but until the awesome day comes when it will get released, there's nothing we can do. (You could do -moz-column-count, but that would only work for Firefox or Seamonkey.) Check out the source code for how I did it, by the way. Gracenotes^T § 18:46, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Brilliant! Thanks--Sparklism 19:14, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

No problem! Gracenotes^T § 19:19, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

• There's another way using templates. User:MacGyverMagic has a nice example in the recent edits section. - Mgm|^(talk) 19:52, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Hm, a scintillating solution, if not an icky CSS hack. Oh CSS3, hasten the day of thy arrival! Amen. Gracenotes^T § 20:08, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

adding an article

if i wanted to add an article on anything could i and how would i do that— Preceding unsigned comment added by Hippiequeen1124 (talk • contribs)

See Wikipedia:Your first article. The article you create does have to follow certain guidelines such as notibility, citing sources, etc.--SUIT^양복 19:08, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

If you meant an article about anything, you'll see we already have that article. Dismas|^(talk) 20:03, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Show/hide script

Hello to the wizzkids,

I'm trying to get this show/hide script to work, which I copied and altered from the Dutch Wikipedia. However, for some reason it standard shows instead of hides the extra content. Does anyone know how to fix this, or have another show/hide script?

Cheers and thanks

JackSparrow Ninja 19:12, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

I used to use a show/hide script on one of my sub-pages, and it worked as you describe. Here's the old diff - feel free to open it up and copy it. It's the Navframe bit that you need. Hope that works for you. Adrian M. H. 21:29, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Template:Hidden can make this easy and is customizable. See the Awards section on my userpage for an example. Mr.Z-mantalk¢Review! 21:46, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Thank you both =) JackSparrow Ninja 05:54, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

phenotying study in medical student at libya-medical college

Dear sir, I am given the above subject for writting my Ph.D. thesis. can you guide me the method how i should proceed and how to collect the data in a suitable tabulated form and the relevent litureature from your side Hope you will guide me Thanks Dr. N.K.Sen —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 64.86.24.99 (talk) 19:24, 17 March 2007 (UTC).

• If you want to do a PHd thesis on phenotyping (can you be more specific?) I suggest you start looking for literature in Pubmed. - Mgm|^(talk) 19:51, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

You might want to ask that at the reference desk. While Wikipedia can help you get information and stuff, it doesn't exist merely to help people get good grades, or even a PhD. I wish you the best of luck in writing it; there are people here that have written PhD theses, and you could include something similar to above in a query at the reference desk. But who knows, you may find something interesting. For example, see our article about phenotypes, which may point you in a beneficial direction. Gracenotes^T § 19:57, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Reinstating Timeline

There seemed to have been confusion re Timeline of fictional future events. There was a two-member support (discussion 23 October 2006) for splitting the article due to inconsistancies in the ' tense ' of the submissions.

HOWEVER, List of fictional timelines, along with Category:Fictional timelines, make no reference to any similar OVERALL general-fiction timeline.

Since the original timeline is pretty rich & involved in interesting references, why not go beyond the ' tense ' problem & just label it as General Fictional Events Timeline or something similar ?

WHENever they are listed to occur, as a group in one place, it is still an interesting & fascinating compilation of fictional events in media & literature.

Look it over & I hope you see what I mean . . .

PFSfuture 19:27, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

• I don't fully understand your question. Aren't List of fictional timelines and "General fictional events timeline" close enough? Is there a difference? Once again, I'm sorry, but I'd appreciate it if you clarified on what exactly you want to change/add. Gracenotes^T § 19:43, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

pedophillia user box wars

what was the pedophillia user box wars about? was it really about user boxes and or pedophillia?--Fang 23 22:03, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

• Yes, if you go through the archives of the Wikipedia Signpost you can probably find all the background you need about this. - Mgm|^(talk) 22:14, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

  You could also read Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Pedophilia userbox wheel war to get some more information if you're interested. PTO 22:33, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Citation coding

How does one enter endnotes citing sources? Specifically, how does one enter the "ref" tag, with its peculiar-looking bracket?

When to list schools?

The article, Carmel Valley, San Diego, California has all the schools listed under separate sections, eventhough they are not that many schools. I was wondering, if Wikipedia guidelines say for it to stay a list, or for it to be in a sentence or paragraph form? Thanks a lot -ChristopherMannMcKay 23:43, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

There's nothing stating that it has to be a list - although I can't really see a problem with it staying as one. -- Chairman S. Talk ^Contribs 00:02, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

WNCN (now WAXQ)

This is in reference to the article about WNCN (104.3 FM) in New York City. The station was owned by Starr Broadcasting and changed from classical music to rock and roll in 1974. I was an employee during that period, totaling almost 15 years.

The factual error is that William F. Buckley, Jr. did NOT lead the fight to return the station to classical music. He was Chairman of the Board of the owner, Starr Broadcasting, and although he personally preferred classical music, he was acting on behalf of shareholders to improve station financials. But the station lost money as a classical broadcaster.

The fight to restore classical music to 104.3 was centered at the WNCN Listener's Guild, of which I was one of three original founders. The group raised $600,000 and fought Starr Broadcasting at the FCC and in the courts.

As a settlement, Starr sold the station (at no profit) to GAF Broacasting in 1975. At that time I was rehired, as was most of the classical music staff.

Sincerely,

Matt Edwards <email removed> —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.189.127.111 (talk) 00:05, 18 March 2007 (UTC).

odd category

Can someone help me figure out why Büyük Menderes River is in Category:Dinar? The category is for currencies related to the dinar, so it does not belong. I want to remove it, but there's no direct category reference ([[Category:dinar]]). None of the templates used on the page add it to the category either. I realize this is not exactly a newbie question, but hope someone can help me anyway. Thanks, Ingrid 01:11, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

The article is in the category, not because of the currency, but because of the river's location in Dinar. Per: It has its sources not far from Celaenae in Phrygia (now Dinar), where it gushed forth in a park of Cyrus. The category should stay as in place. Real96 01:15, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

(edit conflict)The problem is the infobox. It adds the page to Category:{{{Origin}}}, and the origin is Dinar. If you change the origin in the infobox (make it more specific), it should fix it. Mr.Z-mantalk¢Review! 01:17, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Alphabetization help?

Is there a tool or bot or whatever available to alphabetize a bulleted list on an article page? I'm thinking particularly of lists of people, such as a teacher's students or a school's alumni, which can get long and hard to follow as editors add names to the bottom of the list. I've encountered a couple of examples, and fixing them manually seems rather daunting, and likely to end up in a pyrrhic victory as later edits defeat the purpose.

I don't know if this is even technically possible, but if it is possible, and no tool exists yet, who can I ask to tackle it?

Thanks. Mjplant 01:13, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Relisting?

Hi. I've been hanging around at AFD and TFD discussions lately, and I notice a tag that looks like this:

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached
 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ~~~~

Could someone please explain where and why this would be used? I've seen it used on discussions where only two people have voted. Thanks in advance- CattleGirl ^{talk | sign! | review me} 02:00, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

It means that the AfD was unable to gain consensus because there were too few comments, and thus, it has been listed again, so that more editors can add their points-of-view. -- Chairman S. Talk ^Contribs 02:20, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

English styles

Is there a template to warn users that English styles shouldn't be changed? Mr.Z-mantalk¢Review! 02:02, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

I don't believe so. Instead, just put a comment like <!-- Note to editors: This article is written in American English, please do not change it. --> at the top of the page. -- Chairman S. Talk ^Contribs 02:18, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

I mean a user warning template. Its not listed on WP:UTM, but I think I've seen them before. Mr.Z-mantalk¢Review! 02:36, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

There are actually templates for this: {{Lang0}}, {{Lang1}}, {{Lang2}}, {{Lang3}}, {{Lang4}}, {{Lang5}}. -- Chairman S. Talk ^Contribs 03:04, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

access to article introductions, problems with statistical articles

For some articles on statistical methods, there are problems in the introductions (see below), but the introductions are not accessible to editing. Can access be provided, to article introductions?

To edit an introductory paragraph of an article, click on the "edit this page" tab at the top of the page.--Vbd (talk) 04:22, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Common problems relate to a failure to a place a method in context. The practical significance of a method is not stated. The conceptual relationships of a method may not be correctly stated.Dfarrar 02:35, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Internet Explorer Menus

Can you make it possible to use the Internet Explorer pull-down menus just with keystrokes (Alt+E for the edit menu)? For somre reason, Wikipedia is the only website I have ever seen that does not allow this. Many people do not like to use the mouse and used keystrokes to access the menus. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.112.139.224 (talk • contribs)

Unfortunately, the shortcut keys are coded into the Wiki software. You'll need to disable them using the instructions found here. It is possible you will have to create an account in order to implement the code. Hersfold ^(talk/work) 03:39, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

P.S. - Please remember to sign your posts with four tildes (~~~~) so we know who we're talking to. Thanks! Hersfold ^(talk/work) 03:42, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

I couldn't find this stuff in the 'About Wikipedia' section.

How many volunteers total are there? And is there anybody with Wikipedia (volunteer or otherwise) who actively goes through the pages and looks for vandalism, errors, etc.? Or is it entirely done by the users/people? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.227.137.126 (talk) 03:47, 18 March 2007 (UTC).

All the work concerning articles is done by the users. See Special:Statistics for current user numbers. Mr.Z-mantalk¢Review! 04:17, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

How to avoid the orange bar "you have new message"

Are there any types of script I can use to prevent the "you have new message" bar? Given that I can check my talk page once in a while to see if there's anything new, the notice is both annoying and unnecessary. Please help, thank you S. Miyano 03:58, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Yes, or you could change what it looks like. What do you want to do? Prodego ^talk 04:07, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

I don't think it is a good idea, but you can add this to your personal CSS:

.usermessage {
    display: none;
}

If you still want to see it when you're on your own user page or talk page, you can do:

.usermessage {
    display: none;
}

.page-User_S_Miyano .usermessage,
.page-User_talk_S_Miyano .usermessage {
    display: block;
}

These should be added to User:S. Miyano/monobook.css. Mike Dillon 04:11, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for the replies. Could you please check if I did it right [5]? S. Miyano 04:23, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Becoming A Member

How Do You Become A Member of A Project.Bernstein2291 04:21, 18 March 2007 (UTC)Bernstein2291

If you've got an account, you already are one! Now, just edit pages you fee like editing, and contribute constructively in any way you can. DoomsDay349 04:25, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

If you mean a WikiProject, all you normally have to do is add your name to the list of members and then start helping the project. The various projects will normally have lists of to-do items that you can help with. Dismas|^(talk) 05:33, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Copied text

I noticed that the plot for At Sachem Farm is copied word-for-word from IMDb. What should I do? Clarityfiend 05:02, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Replace it with a copyvio tag, making sure the URL of the page it's copied from is specified by using |url=sitehere. -Wooty Woot? contribs 05:04, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

I don't want to delete the article; there's some legitimate info there. I think I'll just delete the offending material. Clarityfiend 06:46, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, just remove it. Copyvio tags are best used if the entire article is a violation. - Mgm|^(talk) 07:55, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

I Can't Login - Account Name CognitIt -

This says I didn't enter an email address, but I have a confirmation in my box. This is a copy of it.

Someone from the IP address xxxxxxxxxxx has registered the account "CognitIt" with this e-mail address on the English Wikipedia.

To confirm that this user account really does belong to you and to activate e-mail features on Wikipedia, please open this URL in your browser:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Confirmemail/db2eef76e07ad5364e9a2c2eb6c92ebb

If you did not recently register for Wikipedia (or if you registered with a different e-mail address), please do *not* click on the link.

This confirmation e-mail will automatically expire at 15:50, 13 March 2007 (UTC).

~Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://en.wikipedia.org

Please make sure it is in my account. I am 92% sure that I validated this; my hyperlink showed previous use. I really want to keep my login name. The email account is the same as the name I submitted, as you can see. I need to request a new password and am stumped. CognitIt@yahoo.com. 68.89.170.143 06:17, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks.

• Where does it say you didn't enter an email address? - Mgm|^(talk) 07:54, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

uploaded article missing

Dear Sir/Madam,

i have uploaded a new article about our church several weeks ago.. but i could not find it in wikipedia... The title is... "Tortugas United Methodist Church" When will you make the article public?

Thank you very much! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Prayerofjabez (talk • contribs) 07:13, 18 March 2007 (UTC).

From this edit [6] it seems like you only saved the page to the Introduction page. The area below the introduction page is only for test edits. All information there is deleted periodically. You could copy the text and create a new article for it but the other problem is that your church might not be notable enough to be on Wikipedia. There are thousands of churches around the world and unless your church is especially famous, the church might not be notable. See WP:NOTABLE for guidelines. -- Hdt83 | Talk 07:27, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

The article was probably deleted Never mind--SUIT^양복 07:27, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Why is Don(REd )Goldstein All America for LOuisville 1959,not listed under Jewish basketball players?

High-res fair use images?

When you have a high-res copyrighted (by someone other than you) image that you'd like to use under the Fair Use principle, what's the maximum size that it should be uploaded as? I've been hearing things like 400px wide or high, and I'd like to know what the rule of thumb is. Thanks. -Malkinann 08:14, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

The principle underlying this would be "not adequate to make a good reproduction of the original on paper", I think. Notinasnaid 08:20, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

That's right. The image doesn't need to be particularly small, just not large enough that it can be used for anything but identification on screen. -- Chairman S. Talk ^Contribs 08:26, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

March 18

How do I create a new page in Wikipedia? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jaberwock (talk • contribs)

Before you do, I'd recommend you spend some time learning the ropes, and editing existing articles. It's a sad fact that almost all the pages people make are deleted right away because they don't fit the way Wikipedia works, and you can only learn that with practice, perhaps a few hundred useful edits. When you are ready, see Wikipedia:Your first article. Happy editing! Notinasnaid 09:57, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Another useful page is Help:Starting a new page. -- Chairman S. Talk ^Contribs 11:08, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

pregnancy

I AM 43 YEARS OLD.I HAVE ONE SON 19 YEARS OLD . I HAD AMISSCARRIAGE LAST MONTH. I WANT TO HAVE A SECOND BABY. HOW TO TELL ABOUT MY PREGNANCY TO MY SON? HOW HE WILL REACT? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 122.167.190.42 (talk) 10:10, 18 March 2007 (UTC).

This is ridiclous, this is an encyclopedia. Not a doctors, or any kind of social care. Often when people come here saying things like that; we tend to think that they are making a joke of us. If this is a real problem. Please see Jerry Springer, Trisha, or Jeremy Kyle, or something to that extent. Reguards. Retiono Virginian 11:00, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

I need help getting started. BigMacintosh. thanks