Talk:Gilgo Beach serial killings

	; Archives (Index) ;
	1;
	This page is archived by ClueBot III.

This is the talk page for discussing improvements to the Gilgo Beach serial killings article.
This is not a forum for general discussion of the article's subject.

Put new text under old text. Click here to start a new topic.
New to Wikipedia? Welcome! Learn to edit; get help.

Article policies

Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL

Archives: Index, 1: 12 months

Maureen Brainard-Barnes was nominated for deletion. The discussion was closed on 09 July 2013 with a consensus to merge. Its contents were merged into Gilgo Beach serial killings. The original page is now a redirect to this page. For the contribution history and old versions of the redirected article, please see its history; for its talk page, see here.

This article has not yet been rated on Wikipedia's content assessment scale.
It is of interest to the following WikiProjects:

Please add the quality rating to the {{WikiProject banner shell}} template instead of this project banner. See WP:PIQA for details.

New York (state): Long Island

	New York (state) portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject New York (state), a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of the U.S. state of New York on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.New York (state)Wikipedia:WikiProject New York (state)Template:WikiProject New York (state)New York (state)
???	This article has not yet received a rating on the project's importance scale.
	This article is within the scope of WikiProject Long Island, a project which is currently considered to be inactive.

Please add the quality rating to the {{WikiProject banner shell}} template instead of this project banner. See WP:PIQA for details.

New York City Mid‑importance

	New York City portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject New York City, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of New York City-related articles on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.New York CityWikipedia:WikiProject New York CityTemplate:WikiProject New York CityNew York City
Mid	This article has been rated as Mid-importance on the project's importance scale.

Please add the quality rating to the {{WikiProject banner shell}} template instead of this project banner. See WP:PIQA for details.

Crime and Criminal Biography Low‑importance

	This article is within the scope of WikiProject Crime and Criminal Biography, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Crime and Criminal Biography articles on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.Crime and Criminal BiographyWikipedia:WikiProject Crime and Criminal BiographyTemplate:WikiProject Crime and Criminal BiographyCrime-related
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

Please add the quality rating to the {{WikiProject banner shell}} template instead of this project banner. See WP:PIQA for details.

Internet culture Low‑importance

This article is within the scope of WikiProject Internet culture, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of internet culture on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.Internet cultureWikipedia:WikiProject Internet cultureTemplate:WikiProject Internet cultureInternet culture

Low

This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

WikiProject Internet culture To-do:

Here are some tasks awaiting attention:

Article requests : View all requested internet culture articles
Expand : Pick an article from here or here
Photo : Category:Internet culture articles needing images
Stubs : All stubs are located here
Other : Category:Internet self-classification codes (!?); Try to get YouTube to FA; Tag all articles you find with {{WikiProject Internet culture}}
- See also Category:Internet culture articles needing attention

Please add the quality rating to the {{WikiProject banner shell}} template instead of this project banner. See WP:PIQA for details.

Crime and Criminal Biography Mid‑importance

	This article is within the scope of WikiProject Crime and Criminal Biography, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Crime and Criminal Biography articles on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.Crime and Criminal BiographyWikipedia:WikiProject Crime and Criminal BiographyTemplate:WikiProject Crime and Criminal BiographyCrime-related
Mid	This article has been rated as Mid-importance on the project's importance scale.

A fact from Gilgo Beach serial killings appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 18 April 2011 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that an unidentified suspect, dubbed the Long Island serial killer, is believed to have murdered as many as eight people and dumped their bodies along the Ocean Parkway in New York?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2011/April.

Wikipedia

Asian "male" victim

If someone is "living as a woman" it seems a lot more likely they were a trans woman... men don't "live as women". Considering they may have been killed because they were trans, it seems a little ghoulish to not even acknowledge that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.63.147.98 (talk) 03:52, 15 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Additionally using ‘He’ throughout obviously the remains were identified as biologically male but further evidence suggests that ‘this person’ or ‘they’ could be used as a replacement without damaging the integrity of the information Sexismcorrector23 (talk) 11:27, 22 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Atiru (talk) 10:00, 3 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The source states "Based on the victim's clothing, it is possible that the decedent may have lived as a woman". This is pure speculation, nothing to suggest that this theory is widely accepted or that there is any actual evidence of how the victim lived his life. You could also speculate that the killer could have dressed him in women's clothing, but there's no evidence of that either. The only facts that are known are that he is a deceased biological male that was found dressed in women's clothing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.29.0.86 (talk) 13:47, 17 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Naming suspect

I removed the suspect's name from an unsourced edit and revdel'd it - at that point they were named in only one source. Now many have picked it up, presumably fact-checked. While I would still rather wait until there has been an official announcement, I think there's a lot of coverage now of the arrestee. I would still advise care and devotion to sourcing - Richard Jewell is the cautionary example. Acroterion (talk) 15:26, 14 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It's been years since I've seriously edited WP. Would adding the "this is the subject of a current event" template at the top of the article be called for here? Or is there some standard of notability that it doesn't yet meet? Thanks, †dismas†|^(talk) 15:31, 14 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I've added one. Acroterion (talk) 15:44, 14 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I just want to caution naming the suspect per WP:BLP and WP:BLPCRIME. Per those policies, I'm at a soft "do not include their name". Esb5415 (talk) 20:06, 14 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

BLPCRIME does not mean we can not name the accused on this article. Rex Hermann's name is being widely disseminated in reliable sources. Of course we should not be writing as though he is guilty but yes he can be named. Iamreallygoodatcheckers^talk 21:51, 14 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I went ahead and added the arrest, but did not include the name pending further discussion here. Iamreallygoodatcheckers^talk 21:57, 14 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I see the name once. I think it makes sense to include. AMDG09 (talk) 02:04, 15 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Awshort: what is your argument for excluding the name? Iamreallygoodatcheckers^talk 23:24, 14 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 14 July 2023

This edit request to Long Island serial killer has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request.

On July 14, 2023, the police arrested a suspect, Rex Heuermann, 59, in the Gilgo Beach serial killer cases. Rex Heuermann is an architect who works in Manhattan and resides in Nassau County. https://www.nytimes.com/2023/07/14/nyregion/gilgo-beach-murders-long-island-suspect.html Sourcechecker13 (talk) 15:32, 14 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Sourcechecker13:

Done by User:Atiru. Please see the last sentence in this article's lead section and leave a message on this talk page if you have any further requests or concerns. CityOfSilver 17:29, 14 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@CityOfSilver: Would it be against policy to create a redirect from his name to this article? Dennis C. Abrams (talk) 19:20, 14 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Denniscabrams: I don't think it's an outright policy violation that could get you in deep trouble. The article for Ohio serial killer Anthony Sowell was created literally the day he was arrested, well over a year and a half before he was convicted, and of course you're not talking about anything nearly as contentious as that. That said, I'm also not sure it's in compliance with the bullet point at the end of WP:CRIME. Right now, we the public know next to nothing about why they arrested this man. Let's say you make the redirect, then it turns out this was a complete screwup by law enforcement and he had nothing to do with this. In that scenario, there would have been a period of time where typing an innocent person's name in the search box on here would have brought up an article named "Long Island serial killer" and that shouldn't sit right with anyone.

So while I don't think a redirect would be a major controversy, I'd still be cautious with one. I think the best approach would be to have it go to Long Island serial killer#Rex Heuermann, a subsection in the "Suspects and persons of interest" that I bet is going to be created and written shortly. CityOfSilver 20:06, 14 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

BLP Notice

Template:BLP noticeboard Awshort (talk) 21:31, 14 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Correcting some math (minor issues, but annoying).

Amber Lynn Costello is described as "approximately 100 lbs (50kg)". At 2.2kg/lb, 100lbs = 45.5kg, or alternatively 50kg = 110lbs. The same problem occurs in the description of Valerie Mack. Other lb/kg conversions seem correct (e.g. Melissa Barthelemy 95lbs/43kg). 136.168.144.146 (talk) 21:34, 14 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]