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Removing "Internal Factions" from infobox

Would like to seek a consensus on this. The difference between a Blue Tory/Red Tory is best presented elsewhere in the article. It does not provide an objective reader with an accurate, objective view of the party's ideology. When objectively used, these terms best describe historical conservatism in Canada.

The contemporary Conservative Party is not defined by Red Toryism/Blue Toryism, at all. The latter term is hardly used to describe any federal Conservative politician.

"Red Tory" describes practically nobody in the parliamentary caucus. From my experience, the only people who use this term are those trying to present the party in a pejorative manner. I challenge anybody in support of this to tell me the leader of the "Red Tory" faction in the Conservative Party.

Presenting a party whose leader won as a non-incumbent with 71% of the votes cast and a 59 point margin as having deep-rooted internal factions is simply misrepresentation. Deathying (talk) 20:22, 18 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Though most Conservative MPs seem to align with Blue Toryism, there are still a few that can fit the "Red Tory" label...Michael Chong comes to mind, and Erin O'Toole does to. Erin was a former party leader, and his opposition to repealing the carbon tax and the 2020 assault-style weapons ban as well as his proposal to balance the budget without major cuts make him a Red Tory.

Also, one leadership election does not mean the party is "100% Blue Tory" as you feel it is. Ak-eater06 (talk) 02:11, 19 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Updates to ideology infobox

Would also like to seek a consensus on this to avoid an edit war with Ak-eater06.

There currently is a comment advising against a change to linking Conservatism with Conservatism in Canada in the infobox. I would like to make this infobox consistent with other conservative parties such as the GOP, Democratic Alliance for the Betterment and Progress of Hong Kong, Conservative Party (UK). I cannot find any prior discussion in the archives besides comments supportive of what I want to do here. Talk:Conservative_Party_of_Canada/Archive_2#Internal_factions, from 2017. If you do have a link to why this comment was made, please link it.

Under the ideology row, we should change Conservatism to Conservatism (Canadian) This is in line with the examples I linked above, and recognizes the differences between the CPC and the ideology itself. The CPC's ideology and how conservative they can actually be is heavily defined by Canadian culture and values, warranting some distinction here.

We should also add Fiscal conservatism back as an ideology associated with the party, especially when it is so plainly spelled out in the party constitution and party platform. I might add the last (relatively) balanced budget in Canadian history was introduced by this party. If that's not fiscal conservatism, I don't know what is. Deathying (talk) 20:38, 18 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I would have no problem with Canadian conservatism change.... but fiscal conservative is a pipe dream....Fraser Institute

https://www.fraserinstitute.org › ...PDF Examining Federal Debt in Canada by Prime Ministers Since Confederation, 2022.Moxy- 23:21, 18 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Fine. I'm okay with changing it to "Canadian Conservatism". The UK Conservative Party article using "British Conservatism" changed my opinion on this edit conflict. The definition of conservatism varies from country to country too (e.g. a Conservative in Canada, the UK, Australia might not be considered conservative in the US). Ak-eater06 (talk) 01:49, 19 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]