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Section sizes

Section size for Silvio Berlusconi (64 sections)
Section name	Byte count	Section total
(Top)	20,830	20,830
Family background and personal life	8,037	8,037
Business career	22	12,442
Milano Due	2,450	2,450
TeleMilano	776	776
Fininvest	9,194	9,194
Political career	10,180	82,556
Beginnings	4,166	4,166
1994 electoral victory	3,699	3,699
Fall of the Berlusconi I Cabinet	2,933	2,933
2001 electoral victory	2,745	2,745
Berlusconi II Cabinet	2,033	2,033
Subsequent elections	1,496	1,496
Berlusconi III Cabinet	2,916	2,916
Attempt to reform the Italian constitution	3,040	3,040
2006 general election and opposition	5,162	5,162
2008 electoral victory	12,261	12,261
The People of Freedom split	9,807	9,807
Resignation	9,218	9,218
2013 general election	2,939	2,939
Refoundation of Forza Italia and public office ban	5,956	5,956
Political comeback and election to European Parliament and Senate	4,005	4,005
Foreign policy	7,577	26,652
Relations with Russia	7,607	7,607
Relations with Israel	3,816	3,816
Relations with Belarus	1,015	1,015
Cooperation with the Western Balkans	1,021	1,021
Relations with Libya	5,616	5,616
Berlusconism	4,384	23,457
Political positions	12,574	12,574
Comparisons to other leaders	6,499	6,499
Legal problems	97	97
Controversies	2,956	88,383
Economic conflicts of interest	3,879	3,879
Media control and conflict of interest	10,893	10,893
The Economist	4,782	4,782
Legislative changes	4,884	4,884
Accusations of links to the Mafia	356	356
Remarks on Western civilisation and Islam	2,540	2,540
Right-to-die case	1,028	1,028
Anti-immigration laws	2,509	2,509
Jokes, gestures, and blunders	15,545	15,545
Friendship with Bettino Craxi	2,100	2,100
Freedom Army	2,176	2,176
Wiretaps and accusations of corruption	4,532	4,532
Divorce and allegations of sexual misconduct	15,905	17,634
Shots of Porto Rotondo	1,729	1,729
Rubygate	11,622	11,622
Panama Papers	947	947
Health	12,162	12,162
Death	8,794	8,794
Personal fortune	3,704	3,704
Electoral history	6,749	9,859
First-past-the-post elections	3,110	3,110
Works by Silvio Berlusconi	1,199	1,199
Honours and awards	5,199	5,650
Namesakes	451	451
In films	15	2,926
Documentaries	1,005	1,005
Feature films	1,906	1,906
See also	129	129
References	1,656	1,656
Further reading	4,097	4,097
External links	4,419	4,419
Total	317,049	317,049

Marta Fascina marriage

The infobox says that he married Marta Fascina in 2022, however there's no mention of this outside the infobox in this article nor a mention of their marriage is seen in Fascina's article. In Fascina's article it says that they were simply dating from 2020 until his death. Is there a reliable source confirming their marriage in 2022 and if so, can we add this in both their articles? 2601:249:8E00:420:B93B:A3A7:4E32:53B2 (talk) 21:12, 12 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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In The "Comparisons to other leaders" section under "Berlusconism" the part where it speaks of Andrej Babiš, that phrase needs amending because it says he is the current Prime Minister of the Czech Republic. His tenure was from 6 December 2017 to 17 December 2021. Echo-Phyber-Echo (talk) 21:37, 12 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Obvious change. Note the source used there is from 2015 (when AB was not PM yet) and cited in 2018 (when AB was PM), which explains the choice of wording not based on the source used. Pavlor (talk) 05:16, 13 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

"Then Finance Minister of the Czech Republic" would be also useable (and correct by the source). Pavlor (talk) 05:19, 13 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Done Paradise Chronicle (talk) 07:34, 16 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Circular reporting?

A few hours after Silvio Berlusconi's death, one user added the following sentence: "Berlusconi rose into political background of Italy in late 60s, after being helped by both politician Piersanti Mattarella and singer Elena Zagorskaya". The sentence was lately modified as follows: "Berlusconi rose into the financial elite of Italy in the late 1960s after being influenced and assisted by both Italian politician Piersanti Mattarella and singer Elena Zagorskaya". It looks like fake news, but I have no way to prove it as I have no chance to check the first given source (this book). Before the edit, no other source mentioned Piersanti Mattarella and Elena Zagorskaya related to Berlusconi, but, hour after hour, several news outlets all around the world have started citing the two. It is possibly a resounding case of circular reporting (see also Wikipedia:Verifiability#Wikipedia and sources that mirror or use it). I am going to remove the sources that have clearly mirrored Wikipedia and add a "verify source" tag for the book. I hope other users can check the information, which, true or false, look redundant at best. Possibly, this case will be added to the list at Circular reporting#Examples on Wikipedia. -- Checco (talk) 18:00, 15 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Seems irrelevant enough, can be removed altogether. The article quality is already not the best, we do not need more poorly sourced information. Yakme (talk) 21:40, 15 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that the information is irrelevant, not just redundant. Is it also false? That Berlusconi was influenced and, above all, assisted by Piersanti Mattarella and Elena Zagorskaya seems quite implausible. In my view, it has been an incredible example of circular reporting: before the inclusion of the information Wikipedia by an obscure user, there was nothing in the web about it (I checked that immediately after), now there are thousands of Google hits! I am sorry I started this thread three days late. --Checco (talk) 06:03, 16 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I would go ahead and remove it if there are no RS predating his death. Hemiauchenia (talk) 06:19, 16 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

As an Italian, I confirm it's not true that Berlusconi was helped by Piersanti Mattarella and Elena Zagorskaya.--Vernel222 (talk) 08:09, 17 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

More than 2,100 news sources on the web now link Berlusconi with the figures of Piersanti Mattarella and Elena Zagorskaya. More than likely, it is a case of circular reporting, caused by an inaccurate edit in Wikipedia. Would it be a good candidate for Circular reporting#Examples on Wikipedia? --Checco (talk) 20:34, 18 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Checco: Only if there is a reliable source that mentions the circular reporting. Otherwise this is WP:OR. The very addition of this to the article about circular reporting is also WP:NOTSOURCE and WP:CIRCULAR, funny enough. The only place I can find that mentions the "problem" is this Wikipedia talk page. Renerpho (talk) 05:53, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry for pinging you twice, Checco (once here, and once on the talk page at Circular reporting). Maybe I should have combined both comments, and put both of them in one place. In fact, I have just opened a third thread about this, at Wikipedia_talk:Verifiability#Circular_reporting_at_Silvio_Berlusconi?, where I replied to your comment again. Renerpho (talk) 06:25, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The book doesn't contain anything to back up the details added, and all other reporting of the details is after they appeared here. Nor does any source I could find that predates the addition here mention anything similar. -- LCU ActivelyDisinterested ∆transmissions∆ °co-ords° 12:38, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Berlusconi never restricted freedom of information

Berlusconi was not a dictator. He always won elections regularly and, whenever he lost them, he always recognized his defeat quietly. He never restricted freedom of information, most of the media were against him. Vernel222 (talk) 07:54, 17 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Elections can hardly be "fair" in a paradigm whereby certain political parties get banned. If Berlusconi could not hold onto power after losing an election, or if the result could even be that he lost, it just proves that the candidates are figureheads, while the deep state is the same one that refuses to recognize Palestine but still recognizes 'Kosovo', supports the laughable continued fate of Assange, pretends to think the White Helmets are some "force for the good", and backs Ukraine to the nth degree even over their atrocities 2014-2022. They're all puppets to the Pentagon regime, and Silvio Berlusconi was just another number here. 81.148.214.74 (talk) 18:46, 17 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Serves you right Berlusconi you dirty little postcolonial mercenary and puppet to Washington. Hope you rot. 92.40.199.51 (talk) 17:02, 17 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]