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Dear MrOlie, I have added detailed information about the topic which was covered in detail in the cited link. Also I have added detailed information which was reverted. I might have over linked the text but my every edit has been reverted. Can you please explain this ? Regards AWAZAD (talk) 14:30, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

You're spamming external links. Stop. MrOllie (talk) 14:31, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

What if we cite the reference of information? is that also spamming? AWAZAD (talk) 14:39, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

If you are adding links to your website (which does not remotely meet our sourcing requirements), you are spamming, even if you claim to cite the reference of information MrOllie (talk) 14:41, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

Well Thanks.

Can you please share Sourcing requirements for Wikipedia. AWAZAD (talk) 14:44, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

See links in the warning message already on your own talk page. MrOllie (talk) 14:48, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

Kathiravan 07070707

Kathitravan 07070707 183.171.79.92 (talk) 05:45, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

brand journalism is not same as advertising or native advertising.

Hello. Brand journalism is not advertising because, unlike advertising, it provides information and content that adheres as much as possible to journalistic standards and informative content formats. Also, brand journalism requires an independent article from native advertising, because brand journalism must be in accordance with the standards and formats of journalism, but there is no such requirement for native advertising. So please don't delete the brand journalism article on the pretext that the two are similar. Also, please don't delete the explanation about brand journalism in the journalism article because brand journalism is different from advertising and I explained why. Thank you . Wikijournalistt (talk) 12:06, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

Sourcing is quite clear, it is the same thing. Please stop adding your personal opinions on this to Wikipedia. It is impossible for advertising to be in accordance with the standards and formats of journalism, they are fundamentally incompatible. Per WP:POVFORK, we can't have two articles on the same concept. The book you've cited even states directly that they are synonyms. MrOllie (talk) 12:16, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

About your conversation with a new user

Hey MrOllie, I've had Analyst.Rehmat's talk page on my watchlist since I left them a welcome message earlier this week, and couldn't help but notice the warning you've given them about adding inappropriate links. I wanted to clarify with you why you were using relatively harsh language in your response to them, and implying that they were engaging in sockpuppetry. Correct me if I'm missing something, but this seems like a simple case of a new user not yet fully understanding Wikipedia's guidelines and making good-faith mistakes. It seems that they need nothing more than a gentle nudge towards WP:EL or WP:RS to fix the issue. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 16:35, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

They are part of a series of accounts that has been spamming links to the same website across Wikipedia. Stiff language is sometimes needed when dealing with spammers and vandals. MrOllie (talk) 16:43, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

@MrOllie: Is there an SPI that determined that they were vandalizing across multiple accounts? Or was there just a surge of links to cleverbot2.com all at once? —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 16:55, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

We usually don't bother with SPIs when accounts are all spamming the same link. They just get blocked independently (one was blocked a couple days ago) since they're all violating the policy in the same way, and then once we rack up a half dozen or so we blacklist the site. Sometimes a firm warning halts the issue without getting the blacklist involved, which is preferable. MrOllie (talk) 16:57, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

Can I jump in here or this is another violation? Please don't take actions if this is a violation, I am new and still learning. Thanks Analyst.Rehmat (talk) 17:11, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

Just stop spamming. MrOllie (talk) 17:22, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

@Analyst.Rehmat: Yes, the links you are adding to the Cleverbot article don't appear to be constructive. cleverbot2.com does not appear to be affiliated with the actual Cleverbot, so linking to that site would be inappropriate on this article. With that said, I've reverted your edit again. I'm going to assume good faith and trust that you're not intending to vandalize with these edits I would recommend that you check out WP:RS for information on identifying appropriate sources to add to Wikipedia. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 17:24, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

Dear Ollie,

I appreciate your efforts to ensure Wikipedia's authenticity. However, I'd like to clarify a point regarding dead links. According to my understanding, when encountering dead links, they should either be removed or replaced with live links.

Regarding the web-archive concern, I want to highlight that cleverbot.io was not the official website for Cleverbot. The correct and official web application is Cleverbot.com, which is already live. It seems that instead of adding live links, dead links were inadvertently placed.

Let's work together to maintain the accuracy and reliability of Wikipedia by making the necessary corrections. Thank you for your attention to this matter and please correct me if I am wrong here. Thanks again. Analyst.Rehmat (talk) 17:30, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

I believe my edit was an improvement over yours, wouldn't you agree? Please understand that I'm just asking and not trying to be offensive. Let's have a constructive discussion about the edits.

Thanks Analyst.Rehmat (talk) 17:34, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

No, you are completely wrong about this. The fact that a dead link exists does not mean that any live link can be added in its place. You are always responsible for the links you add, including making sure that they are not spam links, are reliable sources, and actually support the statements they purport to cite. Your edit was not an improvement, that is why it was reverted. MrOllie (talk) 18:10, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

Dang it. @Girth Summit: beat me to it with fancy checkuser tools. Anyways, this is a massive sock farm - tracks back to your old MediaWiki_talk:Spam-blacklist/archives/March_2023#mrexamples.com report. I think Misbah6666 is the oldest. Lots of overlap in the domains mapped. Since they've all been used abusively, I'm going to blacklist the rest (ilovepdf2.com, cleverbot2.com, pythononlinecompiler.com, javascriptonlinecompiler.com, jsonminify.com, unminifyall.com, emailidator.com). Sam Kuru (talk) 19:06, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

I picked it up at AIV, and blocked a bunch of accounts and recorded what I'd done at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Brandon Smith121. Looks like the reports in the blacklist archive you linked to will be stale, but if there is an existing SPI case or similar that I can link them to, let me know. Girth Summit _(blether) 19:10, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

No significant outliers; you blocked every one of the recent ones on my list I was ticking off. I presume AlexJohnn55 was not molested since he was already blocked - or was he not a match? Sam Kuru (talk) 19:20, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

Oh, yes, forgot about them - yes, they're confirmed too, you're right I didn't bother listing them because they were already blocked, but I've added them for completeness. That's all I can see - feel free to ping me if any more crop up and I'll deploy the CU broom. Girth Summit _(blether) 19:28, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

You're awesome. Thanks. Sam Kuru (talk) 19:29, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

Removing a citation you didn't bother to read

@MrOllie: I would like to remind you that you are a Wikipedia editor just like everyone of us. You are not privileged. You don't have the right to revert edits just by judging a source as unreliable 5 minutes after the edit, a source that you didn't bother to read. The source has nothing to do with promotion or marketing and it cites reliable literature.116.123.114.153 (talk) 08:32, 29 July 2023 (UTC)

It's a self published blog and web store. Obviously unreliable, especially for medical claims, which have special sourcing requirements which you can find at WP:MEDRS. MrOllie (talk) 10:46, 29 July 2023 (UTC)

Revert on the Photographic Film Page

Hello MrOllie, I would like to know why you reverted what I just added on this section: Photographic film#In production

Film Photography Project states on their site that they acquired old equipment from the Svema plant to resume production of Svema branded film in Ukraine.

I do not know exactly when they have started doing this, but there is a capture as early as April, 2018 on the Wayback Machine for this url:

https://filmphotographystore.com/collections/svema-film

Does Shostka, Ukraine not count as another legitimate coating plant?

Is the source not reliable because it is a store site?

Why did you revert my edit?

Thanks,

FilmDoodler (talk) 21:19, 29 July 2023 (UTC)

We don't link to people's web stores. MrOllie (talk) 21:20, 29 July 2023 (UTC)

Well, can I ask for a link to the directory if you're going to cut that entire section then?

FilmDoodler (talk) 21:25, 29 July 2023 (UTC)