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Adding navigation templates en masse

I've just created Template:language verbs to help organize the dozens of articles about verbs of the world's languages. Is there an easier way (e.g. employing a bot) to add the template to the articles than to add them manually one-by-one? Thanks! Jonashtand (talk) 13:58, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

Hello Johnashtand, and welcome to the Teahouse.

(disclaimer: I have never used either of the following, but I have seen them recommended for this kind of question.)

1. Possibly this is something that AWB could do.

2. Failing that, see if there is a bot which could do it. See Bot requests ColinFine (talk) 14:57, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

Randy Kryn regularly does en masse 'navbox-add-on' edit runs like this manually (same navbox across many pages in rapid succession one-by-one, a WP:MEATBOT of sorts), he might be willing to assist. 2601:204:C901:B740:ACFF:15E6:AFFA:1646 (talk) 19:50, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the ping. The only tool I use is Hotcat (which I think of as more of a search engine), but adding them manually is just a matter of cut-and-paste (either the navbox code itself or the edit summary). Randy Kryn (talk) 22:30, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

 Done Randy Kryn (talk) 23:13, 10 August 2023 (UTC) p.s. but let's not make a habit of it

Randy Kryn Thank you so much! How long did it take? Jonashtand (talk) 05:45, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

Hello Jonashtand, you're welcome. Maybe just over half-an-hour. It's not a topic I'm interested in so assisted because this is the Teahouse where we're supposed to be helpful (which is why I don't drink tea!). Good to meet you, and thanks for your work here. Randy Kryn (talk) 09:18, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

How to Know Notable Sources

I noticed some sources are termed not from credible platform. Is there a link I can use as refrence to know exactly the major sources/ reference Wikipedia accept? 105.112.189.111 (talk) 21:49, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

Welcome, IP editor. I suspect that Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources would be helpful for you to check out. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 21:54, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

Just to clarify something that Nick Moyes stated which is somewhat misleading, Wikipedia does not maintain a list of acceptable (or unacceptable) sources. When a specific source has been discussed in Wikipedia discussion forums several times, it may be added to the list Nick showed you, but please note that most sources have never been discussed on Wikipedia in any extensive sense, so most sources aren't going to appear on that page. The correct page Nick Moyes should have referred you to is Wikipedia:Reliable sources, which gives editors a framework for evaluating potential sources for their appropriate for use in Wikipedia. It is entirely impractical, given the likely billions of books, videos, audio files, websites, magazines, journals, news papers, and other odds and ends, that exist in the world, that anyone will have gone through and checked all of them, approving or disapproving of each. Instead, it is expected that any Wikipedia editor is competent enough to apply the principles explained at Wikipedia:Reliable sources to any source you come across. In simplest terms, read the rules at Wikipedia:Reliable sources, apply those rules in good faith, and decide whether any particular source you are looking at is good or not. If you have a source you are unsure about, OR if you and someone else disagree on how to assess the reliability of a particular source, Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard is a good place to get some attention to your issue. --Jayron32 16:29, 11 August 2023 (UTC)

That's fair clarification, Jayron. Thank you. Nick Moyes (talk) 09:50, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

DYK Page - Edit v. Edit Source

Does the DYK page has “edit” (visual) besides “edit source”?  Template talk:Did you know How do I reply to comments for those DKY nomination articles under review? I clicked “reply” to a reviewer's comment, but the message said I have to edit the entire page which appears to have “edit source” mode only. Thank you. Path2space (talk) 22:20, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

@Path2space Just as here at the Teahouse, most (if not all) Talk Pages require you to use WP:Source Editor when replying. It's not too difficult to master (it's far less so than the complex DYK instructions!!!) so what is the particular issue you are concerned about? Nick Moyes (talk) 23:15, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

Nick, thanks for responding. Good to know I need to master the editing by source. I will look up WP: Source Editor. Thank you. Path2space (talk) 17:22, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

Where to go for more task editing decisions

Hi, I would like to see if I could in order to task editing like and I’m not sure how to go about seeing if there is a way to do anything like this? Drishithan (talk) 00:51, 11 August 2023 (UTC)

@Drishithan: Hello and welcome to Wikipedia! Could you please be more clear with your request? I don't quite understand your question. QuickQuokka ^{[⁠talk • contribs]} 01:14, 11 August 2023 (UTC)

@Drishithan: Your question is unclear. If you're looking for ideas on tasks to work on, check out Wikipedia:Task_Center RudolfRed (talk) 03:12, 11 August 2023 (UTC)

I’m just trying to see where I can even go to see if there is something more than what certain articles on Wikipedia with any sourcing to YouTube or a comparable platform where there might be different opinions as to find out? If there isn’t, then I would need someone to tell me where I could go to see if there is something more than what different sources have (in terms of social media reliability) with regards to diversifying even as far as search functions without. Drishithan (talk) 04:49, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

Administrator request

Hi. Could an admin please move my draft of Art Rooney Jr. over the current redirect Art Rooney Jr.? Thanks. BeanieFan11 (talk) 19:44, 11 August 2023 (UTC)

@BeanieFan11 As the target page is just a redirect, I think you can do the move yourself. See WP:MOVE. Mike Turnbull (talk) 21:34, 11 August 2023 (UTC)

@Michael D. Turnbull: When I try I get a message of The page could not be moved: a page of that name already exists. BeanieFan11 (talk) 21:51, 11 August 2023 (UTC)

@Michael D. Turnbull: You published it in Wikipedia-space, I need it to be moved to mainspace. BeanieFan11 (talk) 21:59, 11 August 2023 (UTC)

@BeanieFan11 Yes, I have just moved it back! Sorry, the problem is, I think, that the target has history (actually just 2 edits). It looks as though the easiest way is to list it at WP:RM. Mike Turnbull (talk) 22:02, 11 August 2023 (UTC)

@Michael D. Turnbull: Administrators have the power to move drafts over redirects (I've come here before for this exact task, see Jenise Spiteri), which is why I made this section titled "Administrator request." BeanieFan11 (talk) 22:03, 11 August 2023 (UTC)

I didn't realize there was a section there for uncontroversial requests. I'll follow your advice and list it there. BeanieFan11 (talk) 22:06, 11 August 2023 (UTC)

@BeanieFan11 It should have been possible, per WP:Moving a page#How to move a page but for that pesky second edit to the redirect. I'm one of those people who likes to try myself: even if I occasionally do it wrong! Mike Turnbull (talk) 22:08, 11 August 2023 (UTC)

@Michael D. Turnbull So I will not be able to move my new draft over this [1] redirect myself then? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:58, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

@Gråbergs Gråa Sång Yes, that's my understanding. You have to find a friendly admin or use WP:RM#T (which seems fairly easy). Mike Turnbull (talk) 08:47, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

template warning: where is the best place to ask for help?

Hi! I'm seeking help on how to improve an article with a template warning, and ideally get it removed. I did what I could to clean up the article but could use more help from the editing community to ensure it is edited appropriately to meet BLP standards and correct the issues on the template.

Where is the best place to ask for and get help with this?

The page is bioartist / BBC 100 women Amy Karle. It was originally created during a Women in Red wiki-a-thon in 2021.

Thank you~~ ArtistWatch MuseumSurvey (talk) 21:07, 11 August 2023 (UTC)

Hi ArtistWatch MuseumSurvey. Anyone can remove a maintenance template when they feel the reason why the template was added has been sufficiently addressed. There's a link in the template that provides more information on this. However, just as the adding of the template was mainly based on someone's personal (subjective?) assessment of relevant Wikipedia policies or guidelines, your removal of such template is also based on your assessment that the "problem" has been sufficiently addressed. So, if you do decide to remove the template, you should make sure you leave an edit summary clearly explaining why. Often, it also helps to follow up your edit with an article talk page post going into further detail why you removed the template. If someone subsequently decides to re-add it, you can then use the article talk page to engage this person or others to see what additional concerns they might have and figure out collaboratively how to resolve them. The thing you want to do here is avoid edit warring over the template since that will likely end badly for everyone involved. If you feel that removing the template is too WP:BOLD of a step for you to take at this point, you can be WP:CAUTIOUS and propose its removal first. You can check the page's history to see who added the template, and simply WP:PING them in your article talk page post to see what they might have to say about your attempts to clean things up. If they agree that the issue has been resolved, then removing the template should be non-contentious; if not, then perhaps the two of you together can figure out how to resolve things. -- Marchjuly (talk) 21:26, 11 August 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for this info User:Marchjuly! I feel ok with making updates recommended in the template, but not to remove the template myself. I asked for editing help to improve the article on the talk page and requested that if the updates are sufficient to please remove the template. I hope some editors will be able to help. 23:56, 11 August 2023 (UTC) ArtistWatch MuseumSurvey (talk) 23:56, 11 August 2023 (UTC)

• If you look on the talk page, the editor who added the template commented there just today. Probably the thing to do is to engage with them there and see if they think the issue is resolved. (At a glance I think there are probably still some issues.) Stuff like she creates work that looks forward to a future where technology can support and enhance the human condition reads as puffery to me. And it's cited to her bio from a festival where she had an exhibition - you have to be careful when using those as sources because they're often written in a promotional tone (either by the subject themselves, or by the festival organizers, who have an incentive to promote their speakers.) They're usable as sources but I wouldn't quote one verbatim for the subject's description in the article voice like that. --Aquillion (talk) 22:03, 11 August 2023 (UTC)

  Hi User:Aquillion thank you for getting back to me on this! I removed that line and some other puffy areas. I think there are still some issues as well, but can't spot them so easily. If you have time, would you please suggest any other areas to resolve the template issue or edit directly if you are so inclined? Thank you! ArtistWatch MuseumSurvey (talk) 00:15, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

I did a bit of trimming of this overly wordy and over-referenced article. David notMD (talk) 09:13, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for your edits and help @David notMD! ArtistWatch MuseumSurvey (talk) 22:13, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

Edward Hayter draft

Hello, i would have to have some help in my draft , if i could reach out to medias to get him on articles written about him and only him could he be notable? It keeps getting declined and i dont know how to improve it. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Edward_Hayter Veganpurplefox (talk) 00:51, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

@Veganpurplefox, pursuing media coverage is the right approach, but keep in mind that it has to be independent coverage. So if you just get a "journalist" to republish a press release, it won't count. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 05:58, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

Thank you! I'm writing to news like the guardian, the independent, BBC... also looking to find the ones who wrote articles about my other favs actors to reach more of them to hopefully someone write articles about him. I want them to cover everything so I could have enough content for wiki Veganpurplefox (talk) 11:34, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

talk

Politics related topics 2402:4000:B281:17CC:65CF:49E0:DFE4:55D9 (talk) 09:50, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

Are you looking for Index of politics articles or Category:Politics? Shantavira|^{feed me} 10:11, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

Maintenance/cleanups/improvements/tools

Hi! In order not to bore you with too many details about my history I'll just give you a TL;DR: I used to be an occasional editor about a decade ago but had a long hiatus and forgot my original username and now I'm back.

I'm mainly interested in maintenance and cleanup work and I was wondering what new tools are out there to make this task easier or what pages to follow. I also don't want to jump in too quickly but would be interested in pages where discussions take place. As for vandalism this will seem as an amateur question but have things changed since 2010? I imagine there's tools out there and improved AbuseFilters that make it much easier to revert.

If anyone could direct me to some of these tools and/or pages that'd be great! Darron4 (talk) 10:29, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

P.S.: I've read a bit about page curation and wanted to clarify whether it's only for users who have been registered for 90 days and have 500 edits or whether less experienced users are also allowed to help out (albeit without the "page curation tool") Darron4 (talk) 10:39, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Darron4, and welcome back! This isn't quite maintenance, but the first thing I'd note as a chance is that verification standards have increased: new content is expected to be cited and new articles must meet notability standards in a way that wasn't as true (or as enforced) a decade ago.

Overall, I'd go to WP:TASK as a launching spot, as it'll list a bunch of pages for specific tasks you can navigate to, which will then have info about specific tools/instructions.

Page curation through WP:NPP is a more difficult task since it requires a good understanding of current notability standards, which is why it's a restricted permission. I'd spend some time at WP:AFD and such first to familiarize yourself. You have a leg up compared to most given your past experience, even if distant, but 500/30 is a very bare minimum for that permission, so if you request it too soon it might not be granted the first time.

Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 13:59, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

Thanks a lot for the advice Sdkb! Darron4 (talk) 15:49, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

translating an existing article from Ukrainian to English?

Greetings: I am an academically trained musicologist, now retired. I am interested in the Ukrainian composer Григорій Ісакович Компанієць (Grigorii Isaakovich Kompaneets). One of his choral works was published in the US, and performed regularly by the Westminster Choir College Chorus for many years. Yet there are no reliable English-language sources that are readily accessible. I would like to begin an English-language page on him (or encourage another experienced contributor to do so). For this, it would be useful to use the existing page in Ukrainian, at least as a template. I would appreciate suggestions about how to proceed. Schiller67 (talk) 11:41, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

@Schiller67 That's fine: please read WP:TRANSLATE for some instructions. While English sources are preferred, other languages are OK. You will need to show how the composer meets our notability guidelines, which are quite strict. You need these types of sources. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:05, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

Make sure you also read WP:HOWTRANS, especially the part on attribution, which is very important! -- asilvering (talk) 20:57, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

Looking for feedback

Hi! I am looking for a feedback about a draft of my first article. I have edited quite a bit before without creating an account. Would any one be willing to provide some guidance or tips/suggestions please? Thank you KrisJohanssen (talk) 11:42, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

I assume you are speaking about Draft:Bhargav Sri Prakash. The best way to get feedback is to submit it for a review. 331dot (talk) 11:45, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

@KrisJohanssen I ran citation bot to fix some of the bare URL but they still need work: see WP:CITE and {{cite web}}. In places you have WP:CITEKILL and you should cut things down to those that back up the content while meeting all of these criteria. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:01, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

You are also overlinking. You don't need to link every single instance of "vaccine" (only the first), but you do need to explain what is meant by a digital vaccine. Also you should never begin a section with a pronoun. Shantavira|^{feed me} 12:05, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

Draft:Bhargav Sri Prakash says a lot about "digital vaccines", without ever explaining what they are. This tends to give the impression that he's a quack. Indeed, when I look elsewhere to learn about digital vaccines, I find that they aren't vaccines at all. Maproom (talk) 12:15, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

Mass-deletion discussion?

I'm a new page patroller, and I recently came across a massive glut of new articles from the beginning of August – essentially all the same – which I believe are non-notable. Namely, the articles from Norse group that start with 'S/[year]' were created by one user in an extremely short timespan, all ostensibly created via template with minimal changes between them. There are so many of these that it's not worth my time or anyone else's to hold individual deletion discussions for all of them, so I was wondering if it's possible to have a centralized discussion for deleting or keeping all of them. TheTechnician27 (Talk page) 12:09, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

Hi @TheTechnician27! It's definitely possible (and encouraged). See WP:BUNDLE. Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 15:26, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

I warn you that if any of the items in the list seem at all different from each other (a bit longer, even one or two additional sources, anything), you might want to avoid bundling those ones together. A lot of the time, a bundled AfD stalemates as people argue over individual items. If they really are all the same, bundle the lot. If they're only mostly the same, my advice is to bundle the lowest-hanging fruit only, and see where it goes from there. (Don't be sneaky about this - write it into the AfD so people know what's going on and know what criteria you used to identify the most obvious deletion candidates.) -- asilvering (talk) 20:55, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

Is it a spam comment?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Mentor_Graphics

There is a comment mentioned under title "Forever living products international." Is this relevant for this chat? Wikieditor 2027 (talk) 14:53, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

It's been removed as spam. – dudhhr ^talk _contribs (he/they) 14:57, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

That spammer made only one edit 14 months ago, and hasn't been heard from again. Cullen328 (talk) 05:13, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

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ISSNs in citations

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:ISSN includes "An ISSN is particularly helpful in the following circumstances" which include "In a citation to an article that is not available online except behind a WP:PAYWALL" and "In a citation to an article that is not available online in full text". How are they helpful in those circumstances? When I've seen paywalled articles cited I've sought/created archived versions. Should I also add ISSNs? To date I've only noticed an ISSN in the citation of one Wall Street Journal article. Mcljlm (talk) 16:20, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Mcljlm! You might have more luck asking this in a place like WT:CS1. Personally, my experience is that, because ISSNs are for publications rather than for individual articles, they're much less helpful than e.g. DOIs, and they're often overused because VisualEditor's citation tool seems to like them. Basically, all you really want to have is at least one identifier in each citation. That could be a URL, or a DOI, or an OCLC, or an ISSN, but just plain text is non-preferable. And all of this only matters if you're trying to get an article's references to a featured-quality level. Hope that helps! Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 18:12, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

Thanks. I've posted my questions in WT:CS1. Mcljlm (talk) 18:45, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

Why do Wikipedia project pages not have page previews?

It is my understanding that upon hovering over a link to an article, by default an excerpt of the first paragraph along with an image from the article will appear. However, for Wikipedia project pages, these do not appear. Also, "MOS:" links always show an error for me, because they redirect to project pages(?) It seems that previews are disabled for project pages. Is there any way to turn them on? LOOKSQUARE (👤️·🗨️) talk 19:40, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

@LOOKSQUARE, hmm, I'm not sure about that. The documentation page is at mw:Page Previews. You could try asking at the talk page there. Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 20:37, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

No, the page previews work only in the mainspace. However you can disable them alltogether and try the Navigation popups gadget instead. Ruslik_Zero 20:43, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

I stopped using page previews years ago, and rely solely on Navigation Popups for previewing pages across (I believe)all spaces, and for quickly getting information on users' contributions and userpages, etc. Nick Moyes (talk) 20:47, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

As I understand it, Navigation popups was a community-built gadget that predated the foundation-built Page Previews. I've never tried it, since I find that Page previews works fine, and I try to keep my interface relatively close to the interface that readers see so that I don't inadvertently make changes that favor editors. If there are elements of Navigation popups that would benefit readers or casual editors, I'd suggest pushing for those to be added to Page Previews so that they can benefit everyone. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 20:56, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

@Sdkb Ah, well I found I needed to create a second account just to understand precisely what new users see (NM Demo 2). Unless defaults have changed yet again since I made that account 18 months ago, new users don't actually get Page Previews by default anyway; they have to proactively set them in the Preferences.

But, as an admin, I find Nav Popups far and away more useful - they may not be for everyday users, of course. It's the ability to not only get a small preview of the article or userpage, but also to see a complete dropdown menu of actions and links which lets one access history, user links, block logs, etc., and hovering over those then previews their latest contributions, deleted contributions, page history, and so on. One can delve into issues around one article or one user (or users who have recently interacted with that user) with just a few small mouse moves, rather than lots of page clicks.

That said, I was a great fan of Page Previews (aka Hovercards) when it was in beta and I wasn't doing behind-the-scenes work. Hence why I created this, now redundant, Userbox. I don't think I'll be pushing for the features I've described to be added to Page Previews though! Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 11:18, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

Is it OK to comment on an edit warring report?

Another user was reported at WP:AN3 for edit warring and I wanted to know whether it was OK for me to comment there. I believe that the accusation against this editor is wrong and done in bad faith; my intent is to defend the accused user and refute some of the claims against them. —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 23:08, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

@CurryTime7-24: Yes, if you have relevant information to add to a report, to provide an administrator with additional information to help make a decision on what action to take, then you can certainly comment on it. ~Anachronist (talk) 00:52, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

You're more than welcome to comment.

(also used 134.192.8.17, 169.156.16.220, and 167.102.146.19) 50.169.82.253 (talk) 01:51, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

Assumed years

In cataloguing a book/article square brackets are placed around a year when it doesn't appear but is certain/almost certain. Doing that here results in "{{cite book}}: Check date values in: |year= (help)". Is it possible to have years between square brackets? Mcljlm (talk) 23:51, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

The documentation for the date parameter of the {{cite book}} template says

For approximate year, precede with "c.", like this: date=c. 1900.

Would that work for what you want to do? CodeTalker (talk) 03:11, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

If that's the closest it will have to do but it's not ideal. Mcljlm (talk) 04:53, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

User:Mcljlm, if you have a book with a known modern republication date and a fuzzy original publication date, the best practice is to put the republication date in the |date= parameter, and use the more syntactically forgiving |orig-date= parameter to convey the uncertainty around original publication. There's a source I frequently cite where I have |orig-date=80s or 90s BCE and it works just fine. Note however that if you don't provide a value to either |date= or |year=, |orig-date= will not display. Folly Mox (talk) 18:08, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

How to correct nationality pulled from a database?

 Lion13 (talk) 23:56, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

The article Igor L. Markov shows an Authority Control box at the bottom, which indicates Czech Republic as nationality. However the article strongly suggests Ukraine. There is no obvious way to fix this.

Hmmm.... The bizzare thing is that even the authority control says Kyiv (Ukraine) but the source is the Czech National Authority Database and somehow this is being displayed as the person having a Czech nationality. I wonder if that's true for other non-Czech people who happen to be in that database. I don't know how to fix this either. ~Anachronist (talk) 00:51, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

@Lion13@Anachronist the authority control pulls info from Wikidata, so you'd need to go there to correct anything. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 04:05, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

@Sdkb: I know, the wikidata page is https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q64867104 but I have no idea what to change on it, tbere is no field for nationality. ~Anachronist (talk) 07:57, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

@Lion13: "National" in {{Authority control}} does not mean nationality of the subject. The box can link to various databases and many of them are labelled "National". William Shakespeare has 25 country links under "National" in the box. Igor L. Markov happens to only have one which isn't from his own country but the Czech National Authority Database at the National Library of the Czech Republic. It includes entries about foreigners, maybe authors with books in the library. The "National" label cannot be changed. Igor L. Markov (Q64867104) links to wikidata:Property:P691 so the whole entry could be omitted with {{Authority control|suppress=P691}}, but it's a legitimate link with information about the subject. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:25, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

How to make times in edit summaries display in 12-hour time

I'm used to reading things in 12-hour time, and I just found out how to change timestamps to my local timezone, but is there a way that I can convert it to say "AM" or "PM"? LOOKSQUARE (👤️·🗨️) talk 00:34, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

I thought this might be in user preferences, but I don't see a setting for 12 vs 24 hour time. There is a setting for your local timezone, however, under "appearance".

Other than people in the United States who have never been in the military, the rest of the world understands 24 hour time quite well. As a US person myself, I personally don't see the need for AM/PM and I dropped using it 40 years ago. ~Anachronist (talk) 00:41, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

(i'm canadian :Þ) LOOKSQUARE (👤️·🗨️) talk 00:59, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

Even better. Both formats are in common use in Canada (more so than the US) according to File:12 24 Hours World Map.svg.

That said, I do find it curious that there isn't a user setting for this. ~Anachronist (talk) 01:05, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

If you really want a quick and non-technical solution, subtract the hour by two and (most of the time) ignore the tens digit. For 22:00 and 23:00 Ive just kinda memorized as I cant really think of a fast way other then just subtracting by twelve (but that's icky and too much for my brain). ✶Mitch199811✶ 03:38, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

If you're willing to use a browser extension like TamperMonkey, then a userscript might help. I just made one that works on 'View History' pages but not on user signatures if that's of interest to you. Closhund/talk/ 22:30, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

Wikiethics

Hi, I've been on Wikipedia for quite a few months already. This may be a bit off topic for me to be asking this at the Teahouse, but I want to know how I can improve:

1. How much Wikipedia time is too much Wikipedia time? How does one balance life with Wikipedia?
2. How does one not get demotivated? Surely there must be some point in time when an editor gets bored.
3. Why do people put so much of their time improving the encyclopedia (no offense, y'all are great at what you do)?

Thanks, Tarantula^TM (speak with me) (my legacy) 05:13, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

Ya know, these are some interesting questions.

1. Too much Wikipedia time? Eh, imo we can set how long we edit Wikipedia, or just edit until they get bored. You've got your daily chores and work...

2. Sometimes editing is fun in working to help building and update the encyclopedia, however I believe if we just get bored at researching and updating and helping then that motivation decreases. I'm not sure exactly how it works since most times I am motivated by Wikipedia.

3. We're here to build an encyclopedia! Well, I like to update and edit, they just became my hobbies somehow. :) Tails Wx (they/them) ⚧ 08:03, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

Hello, TrademarkedTarantula. Editing Wikipedia is a hobby, and people participate because they enjoy it. Who can truly understand the underlying motivations of stamp collectors or people who build scale models? Both of those were hobbies of mine in the past. My wife has assembled a quite impressive collection of teapots, and I have often joked that I live in a teapot museum. And book collecting can become an obsession. If you don't have unlimited shelf space, you reach a point where you spend as much time weeding out less desirable books as you do buying and reading new books. I have been editing Wikipedia frequently for 14 years. Many aspects appeal to me, mainly the creation of free educational content for the benefit of everone, including future generations. The long term impact factor truly appeals to me. Before I edited Wikipedia, I did political opinion blogging for a few years. I came to realize that some people might read my opinions and analysis for a few days. But it would all be forgotten quite quickly as people inevitably moved onto the next hot button issue. But the work I have done writing and expanding articles has enduring value. Although I am sure that articles like Salade niçoise and Harry Yount and George Meany and Cedric Wright will be expanded and improved as time goes by. But I am highly confident that much of what I have written in these and many other articles will remain informative for many years to come, and that anyone who looks back on my work on Wikipefia after I am gone will consider it to be good work. I get to write about the topics that interest me and intrigue me the most, as well as topics that have suddenly attracted my interest, like Grace Quan, an article I wrote about a Chinese junk, historically reconstructed in California. All those articles and many others will be part of my legacy, along with my love for my wife, my sons and my granddaughter. I also get gratification from helping new editors along their path to becoming productive, long term Wikipedia editors. Cullen328 (talk) 08:43, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

You could take a look at Internet addiction disorder, which even has a (brief) section on Wikipedia addiction. You don't need to have an extreme addiction to consider some of the relevant factors. If you're balancing real life and Wikipedia, you should always choose real life. I've been editing for 18 years :) Why put so much time into it? Just look at what we've created so far. -- zzuuzz ^(talk) 09:05, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

@TrademarkedTarantula I recently responded to a request from a user to block their account and their ability to edit their talk page for a 6 month period. They found themselves too drawn into Wikipedia and they wanted to ensure they would have no distractions from their real life issues. That's quite a rare case, and there are other ways around it, but it does happen. See WP:SELFBLOCK. Nick Moyes (talk) 11:27, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

1. I don't know.
2. I do get demotivated sometimes. I usually just change the areas I work in: if I've been doing content creation for a long time, I might focus on RfD or AfD. I try to keep a varied wikidiet.
3. It's my hobby.

Edward-Woodrow :) _[talk] 13:52, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

Categories and Templates

I just edited a page for Freddi Fish and Luther's Maze Madness and want to know how to add a category section and the template showing the other Humongous Entertainment games on that page. Can someone help me out? 2603:6010:8B45:FA00:D908:8865:6E43:7FDA (talk) 05:18, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

Categories go at the very bottom of the Wikicode in the source editor. Though I am not certain, I think the template should go there as well, right above the categories. Cullen328 (talk) 07:59, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

Hello, IP user. Thank you for wanting to help improve Wikipedia, but I'm afraid that worrying about categories and templates for that article is like painting the windows of a house that is about to fall down. I have tagged it for its complete lack of independent sources, and its probable failure to meet Wikipedia's criteria for notability.

The only thing that can save the article is finding some sources which are all three of reliably published, wholly unconnected with the writers or publishers of the game, and containing significant coverage of it. ColinFine (talk) 17:14, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

Okay, I'll try to find more reliable information on it. I was really desperate to have pages for the Junior Arcade HE games, because I figured that people reading the Freddi Fish pages should know what they are about. 2603:6010:8B45:FA00:F8DC:6DAB:182:B6F4 (talk) 19:13, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

Why won't images on the Russian Wikipedia work on the English Wikipedia?

I'm currently trying to edit Levan Abelishvili's article, and in doing so checked the other translations for the page for images. I found one such on the Russian translation under the name "Levan abelishvili.jpg". However, when pasting that where images would otherwise go inside infoboxes on the English Wikipedia, I was met with a red "File:Levan abelishvili.jpg" line of text where the image should be. Any ideas? Indochina2 (talk) 05:24, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

It could be an image that is uploaded directly to the Russian Wikipedia, and not Commons. In such a case it would need to be uploaded directly to the English Wikipedia. (I say this without knowing anything about the licensing of the image) 331dot (talk) 06:13, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

The picture at ru:WP is indeed hosted at Russian-language Wikipedia. To use an image here in English-language Wikipedia, it must be hosted either here or at Wikimedia Commons. It maybe be possible to copy the image to one of them, depending on its copyright status. There should be copyright information on the site credited by ru:WP, digitallibrary.tsu.ge: you'll need to be able to read Georgian to understand it. Maproom (talk) 07:52, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

I see. I had assumed until now that all images were hosted on Commons. Thank you guys for addressing this for me. Indochina2 (talk) 10:28, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

@Indochina2 My knee-jerk reaction here is that I don't know if the source of the image, http://digitallibrary.tsu.ge, is good or just makes stuff up. Maybe you do.

If so, you can use it on en-WP as "fair use", because he's dead. Go to WP:FUW, choose "Upload a non-free file" > "This is a copyrighted, non-free work, but I believe it is Fair Use." > "This is a historical portrait of a person no longer alive.". Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:18, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

Thank you, I wasn't aware that there were fringe cases where Wikipedia permitted images not explicitly stated to be free to be used on their platform. In the meantime, I found an image without the watermark the Russian Wikipedia's article bears, and have used that instead. Indochina2 (talk) 10:31, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

@Indochina2 Somewhat simplified, it applies to dead people, fictional people, stuff like book covers/film posters and logos (and very simple logos are allowed on Commons). But only in a WP article about the subject of the picture, so you can't put the fair use pic of Levan Abelishvili in for example Georgian Technical University. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:45, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

Defclarea big real estate association in karachi pakistan please guide us.

i want to create a page as a defclarea big real estate association in karachi pakistan please guide us. Jaffarhussain9 (talk) 08:17, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Draft:Defclarea Wikipedia must not be used for advertising. Please read the messages on your talk page and WP:42. Also your draft is about to be deleted as a copyright infringement. Shantavira|^{feed me} 08:40, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

Rewriting "Gene Caesar" for publication

Many thanks to Theroadislong for their prompt and helpful response, particularly for the note "whole sections lack references." I'm trying to figure out what kinds of references would be acceptable.

For the section "Early life," I could photograph book covers and magazines with stories by Eunice Lee Caesar and Mildred Caesar. There's also a print newspaper article about Allan Caesar I should be able to find. Helpful?

For the section "Marriage and family," there is a newspaper article (paper) on the wedding, unfortunately with no date visible. I have my own birth certificate, and could probably find records for my two brothers. I have their baby books, with dates and even times of birth in them.

"Service to state government": quote appears in the image provided.

"Death": date could be substantiated by online sources. Cause of death: I am not sure that I still have the death certificate, but I can look. Obviously, I remember it well, from handling the death details and planning the funeral.

Apart from this, I understand that I need more outside reviews or writings about Gene Caesar's work?

Is this largely correct?

Many thanks again for your help. Caesarc (talk) 13:54, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

Caesarc, statements in Wikipedia articles should be cited to reliable published independent sources. Certificates of birth and death don't help, as they haven't been published. You can cite books and magazines, giving their bibliographical details including author, name and date of publication, and page number. But uploading pictures of them won't help at all, and your uploads will be deleted as copyright violations. I see that Draft:Gene Caesar uses some pictures of book covers which you've uploaded to Wikimedia Commons, claiming them as your own work. Unless you're the artist who designed those book covers, they aren't your own work, and are likely to be deleted from Commons. Maproom (talk) 14:11, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

Thank you, Maproom. Would you have any suggestions for sources I could use? For biographical details, it would seem to me that the first published biography of any given subject must rely on primary sources like birth certificates, no? (Subsequent biographies could refer to already-published ones.)

I realize that Wikipedia is a tertiary source, and more secondary sources are needed. Would it be helpful for me to create a Gene Caesar biography, perhaps in website form, using my family documents and my own testimony? And then reference that?

Regarding copyright: I am the only direct descendant of Gene Caesar living. He has no spouse, siblings or other children alive. So I suppose I hold copyright to his works (and his family photos), if anyone does. I would be happy to cede this copyright to Creative Commons.

I greatly appreciate your assistance. Caesarc (talk) 14:29, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

_Subscript@ 2601:586:4C7F:DD00:60B7:DD43:D0DD:2B10 (talk) 15:10, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

@Caesarc, on WP, we demand secondary WP:RS, this is never the place to be "first." Primary sources can have some use, but they don't help with WP:N, neither does his books, directly. A webpage by you wouldn't help much per WP:SPS.

This book [2] p220-221 is the kind of source you need for WP:N, it mentions Caesar, and not just in passing. Check gbooks, archive.org, newspaper archives like ProQuest and Heritage_Microfilm,_Inc.#NewspaperArchive.

If can find you these sources, you should probably consider WP:BACKWARD. You may have to scale back, but it may be possible to make an article that can "stick". Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:16, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

Many thanks! I will pursue these sources. Caesarc (talk) 15:26, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

@Caesarc And while his books don't help directly, if they get NYT reviews [3], that is quite interesting, and a good indicator that he should probably have a WP-article. WP:OFFLINE and WP:PAYWALL may be of interest. And [4] looks interesting if you can access it. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:55, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

Hi! I'm Arya?

Hello sir, I'm From Dahod, India Арья Шах Кинчиткумар 13:59, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

Hello @Арья Шах Кинчиткумар! Welcome to the Teahouse, where you can ask questions about editing Wikipedia! Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:54, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

Gråbergs Gråa Sång please note that this is an LTA. Notrealname1234 (talk) 15:12, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

Your User page is about to be deleted because it is not a place to attempt to create article-like content about yourself. See WP:UP for what goes there. David notMD (talk) 16:30, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

If anyone's interested, it's this one. -- zzuuzz ^(talk) 16:49, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

Hi sir, I love wikipedia and what i can do for it?

Sir, Please help me to write on Wikipedia - Johnlearningwiki (talk) 16:16, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

Disengenuous to appear here as a new editor when your other two edits are at your User page Sandbox User:Johnlearningwiki/sandbox and Sandbox Talk, exploring a template for vandalism block. Do you have a different account, which has been blocked? David notMD (talk) 16:42, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

Draft in french

I was wondering when we write in Englsih ,What is the specific therm in French? Veganpurplefox (talk) 16:37, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

The short description with the afc submission, whats the words to make it a draft in french Veganpurplefox (talk) 16:38, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

as my English version made it in a official Wikipedia page , I'm trying to make the French version but don't know the words used to start the draft

https://fr.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victoria_Emslie# Veganpurplefox (talk) 16:40, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Veganpurplefox. French Wikipedia may or may not have a system corresponding to AFC, and may or may not have an equivalent of Draft space. If Translate us doesn't help (and I don't think it will), I suggest you ask at fr:Wikipédia:Forum des nouveaux ColinFine (talk) 17:30, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

Further note: WP:Drafts isn't linked to a page on fr-wiki, which makes me think that they probably do not have draft space there. I may be wrong, though. ColinFine (talk) 17:31, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

OK thank you I will look it up Veganpurplefox (talk) 17:37, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

Looking for advice on rewriting declined submission

Hi, newbie here! My Draft:Kate Hayllar didn't get approved to be a Wikipedia article, on the basis that my references don't show significant coverage about the subject. How would you suggest I improve my references? I'm new to this, so any help would be much appreciated. MikeDosch (talk) 17:27, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

Hello, MikeDosch, and welcome to the Teahouse and to Wikipedia.

I'm afraid that my principal advice would be to put aside the whole idea of creating a new article until you have been editing existing articles for a couple of months, and understand better how Wikipedia works.

But the direct answer to your question is: find several sources, each of which is 1) reliably published (probably all of yours are, except possibly the exhibition catalogue), 2) Wholly independent of Hayllar (the PhD thesis unfortunately is probably not, judging by the author's name; in any case, academic theses can be used but care should be exercised, as they are often, in part, primary sources (WP:SCHOLARSHIP); the exhibition catalogue is certainly not); and 3) contains significant coverage of Hayllar (the Thesis may well do so, but as noted, it has other limitations as a source, and none of the others look likely to).

Unfortunately, as many many new editors have discovered, beginning to write a draft without first finding such sources is like building a house without first surveying the ground to check it is stable and suitable. Please see BACKWARDS, as well as WP:YFA if you have not read that already. ColinFine (talk) 17:43, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

Physical magazine

hello, if there are physical magazines for someone who doesn't have much articles online how do I access them to get the informations? The magazines were out years ago and are from UK news which I live in canada so I cannot cross Oceans to go in the country to ast if the magazines are still available Veganpurplefox (talk) 18:19, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

You may be able to ask if someone can find a resource at Wikipedia:WikiProject Resource Exchange/Resource Request. The Internet Archive and Wikipedia Library might also have some digitized resources not available on the website of your magazine. ✶Mitch199811✶ 18:55, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

Pages on individual locomotives

Hello. My name is Locomotive 150. I recently submitted the draft Draft:LMS Jubilee Class 5606 Falkland Islands for review and it didn’t pass. I have accepted this, but this raises questions for me on certain articles pertaining to individual steam locomotives. My main question is if these actually qualify as articles or even stubs. I’ll include a list of them below.

• BR Standard Class 7 70048 The Territorial Army 1908-1958
• GWR 4073 Class 7028 Cadbury Castle
• LMS Jubilee Class 5731 Perseverance

What I’m really trying to find out is how or why mine didn’t pass, but these did. Thank you for your time. Locomotive 150 (talk) 19:12, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Locomotive 150, welcome to the Teahouse!

Unfortunately as Wikipedia has millions of articles, there are loads of articles that no one has gotten around to fixing or deleting. Our notability guidelines have also become more strict over the years so it is likely that a few of those articles might not be accepted under the new rules. See Wikipedia:Other Stuff Exists.

However, I will note that your article was only 'declined'- this means you can re-submit it for review if you address the points made by the reviewer! The main issue seems to be that it doesn't have great secondary sources: if you're able to expand your article with some secondary sources then it can be reviewed again.

On the other hand, it is worth noting that Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate database of information, so perhaps your (well written!) article would be better for a train-centric website or wiki? Qcne (talk) 20:11, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Locomotive 150. I agree that all three of those are dubious, and two of them already have long-standing tags calling attention to their deficiencies.

Ideally somebody (maybe you, since you are interested?) will put some time into looking for suitable sources for those articles, and either add citations, or nominate the articles for deletion if you think that suitable sources simply don't exist. ColinFine (talk) 20:51, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Locomotive 150. I happen to be an editor who is the primary author of an article about an individual locomotive, Sierra No. 3, often called the "Movie Star Locomotive" because of its appearance in many Hollywood movies and TV shows for decades. So, I certainly agree that individual locomotives can be notable. What establishes notability, though, is references to significant coverage of the individual locomotive in reliable, independent sources. The article that I wrote includes at least eight such references. Cullen328 (talk) 08:05, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

Information about an editor

How can I find out more about the background of an editor who has commented on a draft article I've written -- in particular, his background in the subject area? Johsebb (talk) 20:56, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Johsebb, welcome to the Teahouse!

Often, Wikipedia volunteers add userboxes to their User Page which can include information on their editing interests, educational background, etc. You could also ask them on their User Talk page? The editor has no compulsion to answer, however. Qcne (talk) 21:28, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Johsebb Please be aware that Wikipedia is the encyclopedia that anyone can edit, as long as they comply with our policies and guidelines. And we mean that literally. A 15 year old who follows our policies and guidelines deserves more respect on Wikipedia than a PhD professor at a world famous university who does not comply with our policies and guidelines. Accordingly, it is inappropriate to inquire about any editors "background". After all, who knows anything about your background? You do not even have a userpage, and even if you did, you could be lying. So, forget about backgrounds, and focus instead on complying with policies and guidelines. That is literally all that matters on Wikipedia. Cullen328 (talk) 08:20, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

Quest to be published.

New to this, I hoped to publish an independent article of a game that has been recently rebooted & sold. As it builds on the content of an original 30 year old release it warrents its own article as it continues to expand content. Unfortunately I'm struggling with early drafts Draft:HeroQuest (Avalon Hill) Help to get published would be very much appreciated. Escopana (talk) 22:04, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

Escopana, your use of square brackets in the article is confusing. Maybe they're attempts to create links. You also have some direct external links in the body of the article. They should be avoided there. Maproom (talk) 22:22, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

Corrections submitted, thanks. Escopana (talk) 12:15, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

@Escopana: Thanks for your effort. I think, in your draft, you used square brackets for explanation. That's the job of the parentheses "(" and ")". Please see Help:Punctuation for more information.

I also wish to second what User:Maproom said: direct external links should be avoided in the body of the article.

In general, you might wish to read a couple of Wikipedia articles and edit for quite a few times before you create your very first article, though you are always encouraged to contribute to Wikipedia, and I hope this draft will end up accepted. Cheers, -- TheLonelyPather (talk) 23:18, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Escopana. Language like revived & republished and reinvigorate & rebrand the original and rebooted & released to pledge backers is promotional jargon that does not belong in a neutrally written encyclopedia article. And when you write unreferenced stuff like Players can immerse themselves in the fantasy of original thematic artwork, crafted scatter terrain & detailed meeples [resin miniatures]. The core game system comes with 14 quests & has limitless replayability because players can also build their own [home-brew] quests & adventure campaigns in a continued battle of good versus evil., it is clear that you have not yet developed the skill of writing neutral encyclopedic prose. Marketing garbage like that belongs on company websites, not in an encyclopedia. Instead of trying to write an article to promote a "reboot", why not wrote an article about the original game, that mentions the current update briefly at the very end? That would be an actual encyclopedia article, instead of a promotional brochure masking as an encyclopedia article. Cullen328 (talk) 08:42, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

Now I see that we already have an article HeroQuest about this existing game that already mentions the updated version. Why didn't you just edit the existing article instead of creating this new draft? Cullen328 (talk) 08:48, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

Corrections submitted, thanks. Escopana (talk) 12:16, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

I would like to have my edit requests looked at

Prior to today I would seek guidance from another user named Valereee (who in my opinion is a extremely kind person) and they (I always refer to someone as they/them if I'm uncertain of their preferred pronouns) told me that this would be a better option to get people to see if they can review my partial-block edit requests. Thanks in advance. Thomasthedarkenguine (talk) 22:09, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

Your requests are open and visible- a volunteer will eventually get around to reviewing them. Please be patient, volunteers do what they can when they can. 331dot (talk) 08:51, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

Ok, that was the one piece of information i was missing. Thomasthedarkenguine (talk) 09:06, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

Help

I made a template (a stub template) but idk how to make categories, what do I do? ⌬ CH₃mificαtion! ⌬ 23:31, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

Hi Chemification, welcome to the Teahouse. You make categories by creating the category page in the same as other pages. You can click a red link to the category and save it with some content, e.g. adapted from a similar category. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:50, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

Repeated Vandalism

Hello Teahouse,

Not sure if this is the right place to do this (would love to know how to do this correctly in the future!) but I would like to report repeated vandalism from a user on one specific page. An anonymous user has repeatedly (8 seperate times now, Special:Contributions/176.12.13.195) vandalized the article for Peter Eisenman. I believe this user should be blocked from editing the page, which I believe requires admin action. Thanks! SSR07 (talk) 00:45, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

Hello @SSR07, and welcome to the Teahouse! Vandalism after a fourth or only warning can be reported at Wikipedia:Administrator intervention against vandalism (shortcut: WP:AIV). I have reported the IP. —charmquark ^she/_they talk contribs 01:00, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

The IP vandal has been blocked for six months. Thanks for pointing this out, SSR07. Cullen328 (talk) 01:48, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

Thank you both! SSR07 (talk) 02:13, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

Template code

Templates often have many arguments you can provide (like {{cite web}} can have date=, first=, last=, etc). Some code is converting the template and those arguments into html to be displayed. Where can I find that code? I assume it's freely available. Closhund/talk/ 01:33, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

@Closhund: The entire process from template to HTML isn't something that one person is expected to know, but (very) long story short:

There's an entire template namespace - the {{cite web}} template can be found at Template:Cite web. Viewing the source for said template reveals {{#invoke:citation/CS1|citation|CitationClass=web}}, which invokes a module called Module:Citation/CS1. This module, which is a Lua program, is run by mw:Extension:Scribunto (git) to generate wikitext, which is processed by MediaWiki (git). —charmquark ^she/_they talk contribs 02:00, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

I assumed it would be something like Mustache, which I'm not familiar with. And some templates don't use #invoke, so this is more complicated than I hoped it would be. Thank you. I have a lot of reading to do. Closhund/talk/ 02:48, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

@Closhund: Here is an intro: Help:Template The "Parameters" section gives an overview of named and numbered arguments. Rjjiii (talk) 03:00, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

Deleting talk pages

I can't find the rules for the process of proposing deletion of a talk page. The talk page in question is Talk:SAM JOSHI. It's not connected to an article (or it sort of is, but the article doesn't exist) it's just floating out in space. I think the content probably belongs in the userspace of the user who created it. I was going to use {{subst:Proposed deletion|concern=reason for proposed deletion}} but then it said it was only for articles, and this isn't really an article. If there is an appropriate guideline page for this situation I would love a link to it. Thanks. Ronsaur (talk) 02:43, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

@Ronsaur: I think it is this template (for speedy deletion and not proposed deletion) which I have added in case I am wrong: https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ASAM_JOSHI&diff=1170272683&oldid=1170265162 Rjjiii (talk) 03:04, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

That looks right for sure! Thank you so much for the help! Ronsaur (talk) 03:45, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

User contributions Q

I was checking out someone's user contrinutions and every page they edited had [rollback] [vandalism], with rollback in blue and vandalism in red. I've never seen this before. What does this mean? Dutchy45 (talk) 04:06, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

@dutchy45: it's a feature of twinkle. clicking either will revert the edit: [rollback] prompts for a reason, while [vandalism] is used to revert vandalism. ltbdl (talk) 04:24, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

Aaah, yeah I just installed that last week. Hadn't seen any user contributions since. Thanks @Ltbdl. Dutchy45 (talk) 04:57, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

I don't know if I made a mistake in editing, please help me.

I made an edit on the tharosaurus page on wikipedia by adding a restoration because most of the restoration represent it inaccurately without the sail-like structure evidenced by the deep bifurcations present. I also did talk to one of the researchers who described it. But when I edited it, somebody reversed my change. I reversed it back again, please tell me if I did something wrong... DaDinoNerdBoi (talk) 05:34, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

Hi DaDinoNerdBoi, it was me that reverted your edits. The first edit I thought the drawing was of a cat. I didn't have my glasses on, so apologies for that. I don't believe the rendition was of high enough quality for Wikipedia, but other may have differing opinions. Someone else may be able to help you out. Knitsey (talk) 05:42, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

DaDinoNerdBoi, you are trying to add a deeply amateurish illustration of a dinosaur that somebody created today. The eyes are bizarre. Another editor disagrees. You need to gain consensus to add that image. What is your connection with the editor who created that image? Cullen328 (talk) 05:49, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

Oh no no! those aren't the eyes! those are meant to be mimicry! it is a plausible functionality for the sails, the eyes are present of the head, at the end of the neck. sorry for the misunderstanding! DaDinoNerdBoi (talk) 06:00, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

DaDinoNerdBoi, the image sucks because it is cartoonish and amateurish. I did better drawings 60 years ago when I was illustrating The Flintstones fan fiction as a member of the Cub Scouts. You failed to answer my direct question, which to repeat is What is your connection with the editor who created that image? Please answer that question now. Cullen328 (talk) 07:41, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

Yeah, no the image does suck as amateurish and cartoonish, also it may be good to get Wikipedia:WikiProject Palaeontology/Paleoart review invovled as well. Lavalizard101 (talk)

meant Wikipedia:WikiProject Dinosaurs/Image review and have created a section for it Wikipedia:WikiProject Dinosaurs/Image review#Tharosaurus. Lavalizard101 (talk) 11:52, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

I agree. There is no place for guesswork by amateur artists in this encyclopaedia, or we'll all be doing our own sketches in MS Paint of notable people when there's no other free image available of them! If a properly trained palaeontologist collaborates with a competent artist to create a serious, academic attempt at a life-like interpretation, then that could be used if the artist has been persuaded to release it under a useable licence. But we have to draw the line somewhere; it just shouldn't be drawn and shown here. Nick Moyes (talk) 16:48, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

Need help making an article better

Hello, Please I'm a new editor and I created a new article about a Media Entrepreneur doing remarkable work in my country. I have no personal affiliations with her, however the page was moved to draftspace with a remark of possible conflict of interest. I guess It's in the way I wrote the article. I have made some adjustments to the article, I'll appreciate is any of the volunteers can review and share feedback on what to do to ensure I follow Wikipedia's guidelines. Thank you

Debbylicious (talk) 10:41, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

@Debbylicious, you claim to have no affiliation with her, yet you also claim to have taken her professional portrait. Don't lie to us. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 13:59, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

The person's portrait you uploaded, has been deleted by an admin over at the Commons. Please do not upload images you may have found on Google or somewhere on the web and claim its your own work. 🛧Layah50♪🛪 ( 話す? 一緒に飛ぼう！) 15:01, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

@Debbylicious, before you do ANY MORE EDITING it is required that you declare on your User page if you have either a paid or personal connection to her or her husband. If you do not, declare that on your Talk page. David notMD (talk) 16:32, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for the feedback. I’ll ensure I give proper image credit next time. Debbylicious (talk) 18:28, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

Change article title

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plymouth_Coastal_Observatory I would like to change the same of this article (I work with the manager of the programme and it was changed in 2022 the name that is, we are no longer referred to as Plymouth Coastal Observatory. We had to make a new user account as we did not have access to the original the new user is SWCM2023 originally we were allthingscoastal, could we please change the article title to South West Coastal Monitoring Programme SWCM2023 (talk) 10:50, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

Hello SWCM2023. First, your username is a violation of the username policy. You cannot have the name representing the company, and it (as well as your use of "we" implies that your account is being used by multiple people. As for your question, unless you have a reliable source, the title of the article probably won't be changed. Asparagusus (interaction) 12:51, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

The original name of the article, is fairly accessible to the public. Currently the new name is possibly best as a redirect? This is a subject best addressed on the articles, talk page. Broichmore (talk) 13:21, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

I have requested the change of username and this account is for my own use, I was unaware of the rules previously I apologise. There are government pages available, this is a soft rebranding. SWCM2023 (talk) 13:54, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

How can i fix this?

I want to move:
Tropical Storm Amelia (1978) to Tropical Storm Amelia because this Amelia was more notable then the other Amelias, plus it was the only Amelia in the Atlantic.
Tropical Storm Delia (1973) to Tropical Storm Delia because it was the only time the name Delia was used for a storm in the Atlantic.
and Typhoon Doksuri (2023) to Typhoon Doksuri because it's literally the second-costliest typhoon and it killed over 136 people.
but when i try to move them, it says that a page with that name already exists, or the name i have chosen is not valid.
How do you fix this? EvilDumplingDuck (talk) 12:21, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

Hi @EvilDumplingDuck! You are making an argument that the articles should be the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. My suggestion would be to post this at WT:WEATHER, which is a very active WikiProject. Folks there will be able to check whether these moves are justified and to perform them if so. Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 13:56, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

Ah, okay. EvilDumplingDuck (talk) 2:59, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

I contributed an adition to entry of Xiefei on August 14th 2023 earling morning. 6 hours later. I found

I contributed an adition to entry of Xiefei on August 14th 2023 earling morning. 6 hours later. I found the addition was deleted. Who deleted and Why? The addition is Themes and Style. Jingfua (talk) 13:06, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

Your addition to Xie Fei (director) was reverted because it added unsourced content to a biographical article. All content requires reliable published sources to back it up. Theroadislong (talk) 13:19, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

See Help:REFSTART for instructions on how to add a source. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 13:27, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

Hi，I just copied Martin Scorsesse entry. There is no source mentioned too. Can you explain?

Filmmaking style and technique[edit source]

Several recurring filmmaking techniques are identifiable in many of Scorsese's films. He has established a filmmaking history which involves repeat collaborations with actors, screenwriters, film editors, and cinematographers, sometimes extending over several decades, such as that with recurring cinematographers Michael Ballhaus, Robert Richardson, and Rodrigo Prieto.

Slow motion and freeze frame[edit source]

Scorsese is known for his frequent use of slow motion, for example, in Who's That Knocking at My Door (1967) and Mean Streets (1973). He is also known for using freeze frames, such as: in the opening credits of The King of Comedy (1983), throughout Goodfellas (1990), Casino (1995), The Departed (2006), and in The Irishman (2019). His blonde leading ladies are usually seen through the eyes of the protagonist as angelic and ethereal; they wear white in their first scene and are photographed in slow motion—Cybill Shepherd in Taxi Driver; Cathy Moriarty's white bikini in Raging Bull; Sharon Stone's white minidress in Casino. This may be a nod to director Alfred Hitchcock. Scorsese often uses long tracking shots, as seen in Taxi Driver, Goodfellas, Casino, Gangs of New York, and Hugo. MOS sequences set to popular music or voice-over are regularly seen in his films, often involving aggressive camera movement and/or rapid editing. Scorsese sometimes highlights characters in a scene with an iris, an homage to 1920s silent film cinema (as scenes at the time sometimes used this transition). This effect can be seen in Casino (it is used on Sharon Stone and Joe Pesci), Life Lessons, The Departed (on Matt Damon), and Hugo. Some of his films include references/allusions to Westerns, particularly Rio Bravo, The Great Train Robbery, Shane, The Searchers, and The Oklahoma Kid. Slow motion flashbulbs and accented camera/flash/shutter sounds are often used, as is the song "Gimme Shelter" by The Rolling Stones heard in several of Scorsese's films: Goodfellas, Casino, and The Departed.

Cameo appearances[edit source]

Scorsese usually has a quick cameo in his films (Who's That Knocking at My Door, Boxcar Bertha, Mean Streets, Alice Doesn't Live Here Anymore, Taxi Driver, The King of Comedy, After Hours, The Last Temptation of Christ (albeit hidden under a hood), The Age of Innocence, Gangs of New York, Hugo), he is also known to contribute his voice to a film without appearing on screen (e.g. as in The Aviator and The Wolf of Wall Street). In The Age of Innocence, for example, he appears in the non-speaking role of a large format portrait photographer in one of the passing scenes of the film. He provides the opening voice-over narration in Mean Streets and The Color of Money; plays the off-screen dressing room attendant in the final scene of Raging Bull, and provides the voice of the unseen ambulance dispatcher in Bringing Out the Dead. He also appears as the director of fictional newly formed Vatican Television in the Italian comedy In the Pope's Eye. Jingfua (talk) 19:51, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

Those numbers you see in square brackets (which I see you're quoted text has removed compared to the article) are sources. As told to you before wikipedia requires reliable sources Lavalizard101 (talk) 20:30, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

Hey @Jingfua and welcome to the Teahouse.

First of all, were you editing the article while logged out? The edit on August 14 shows that an IP address made that edit. Second, that section was reverted because it was unsourced. You will need a source for that edit. 🛧Layah50♪🛪 ( 話す? 一緒に飛ぼう！) 13:21, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

Not only is it unsourced but it is also unencyclopedic. Lavalizard101 (talk) 13:38, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for responding. What do you you mean"You will need a source for that edit. The Theme and Style addition is I wrote by myself. I do no need source for referenc. Thanks Jingfua (talk) 13:45, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

All content on Wikipedia needs to be verifiable. Please read the entry I linked above, which will explain it to you. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 13:51, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

Original research is not allowed on wikipedia. Lavalizard101 (talk) 13:55, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

That article, even after reverting the unsourced additions, is still unsourced. The only citations are for two rows in the table of filmography. ~Anachronist (talk) 14:17, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

and those return 404 errors! So the article is effectively unsourced. Theroadislong (talk) 22:05, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

COI/NPOV – Where is the line?

I'm trying to understand who has a conflict of interest in a particular situation. I apologize in advance for keeping this vague and hypothetical, but I think this is not the place or time for specifics.

The subject is a for-profit company whose work is done almost entirely by volunteers. The company has a single owner, a small number of employees, many thousands of volunteers, and a Wikipedia page. The owner and employees clearly should disclose COI if they edit the article, but no Wikipedian has made such a disclosure.

My question concerns the volunteer hierarchy, and whether any unpaid editors fall under WP:COI. The organization has a class of Supermembers, chosen and empowered by company employees based on their adherence to company policies and priorities. Most of the company's employees are also designated Supermembers, but about 90% of the Supermembers are unpaid. Supermembers work closely with company employees and manage various departments manned by volunteers. Supermembers wield considerable power in the organization, including a non-employee committee that decides disciplinary matters up to and including permanent member bans. Supermembers retain their positions on condition of upholding and promoting company interests. Does the unpaid Supermember position constitute a close enough connection to create COI?

The company has a Supermember-managed Boosters department, functioning as the company's volunteer marketing arm. Boosters editing the company's article do so on behalf of the company, under the direction of one or more Supermembers (who might also be employees). Does non-Supermember Booster editing rise to the level of COI?

Thanks very much! MundoMango (talk) 16:21, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

Hello MundoMango! I believe that does fall under COI. Even if it's not paid, the editors are being encouraged to do so by the company and might put in POV stuff. Asparagusus (interaction) 16:35, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

I agree. Anyone associated with the company who edits about it on Wikipedia has a conflict of interest. ~Anachronist (talk) 16:38, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Welcome to the Teahouse, MundoMango. I didn't fully understand all the fine detail of the middle bit of your question, but it's totally irrelevant. Anyone who is involved in the company, whether as an employee, board member, CEO, or as a volunteer will ALL have a conflict of interest if they make edits to an article about that company or about that CEO (if they were to have a page of their own). Anyone employed by the company to edit that Wikipedia article would be WP:PAID, whether directly for doing the work, or indirectly through their salary, even if they edited without the boss knowing. They have an obligation to declare who is paying them, or they could be blocked from editing. "When in doubt, declare it out". I hope that helps. Nick Moyes (talk) 16:38, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @MundoMango, hmm, it's a little hard to answer in the hypothetical, but in the latter scenario of Boosters, I think that would clearly be a COI. Someone who's role it is to promote the company cannot edit the article without that role coming into conflict with their editing.

Regarding the other scenario, the only hard line we draw is paid editing, which is defined in the terms of service. For everything else, Wikipedia's normal approach of emphasizing the spirit over the letter of guidance comes into play. So it depends on a ton of factors. How much time does a supermember devote to their role/how core is it to their identity? (The more so, the more likely a COI.) Do they feel that, if there were negative info about the organization, they'd be able to add it objectively? (If not, definitely a COI.) If they do feel they can be objective, do they also feel that other editors who might find out about their role would have confidence that they'd be able to edit objectively? (The appearance of COI can be as bad as actual COI) Those questions can guide your thinking. If in doubt, err on the safe side and declare a COI. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 16:41, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

Thank you all for the quick and thoughtful replies! The apparently irrelevant details about Supermembers reflects my poor understanding of the rules, hence the need to ask about it. Cheers! MundoMango (talk) 18:26, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

... when you said a company with a small number of employees, where most of the work is done by volunteers, I thought you meant Wikipedia for a moment! However, WMF is not a for-profit company, and has little influence over most of our "supermembers". Wikipedia does indeed have its own Wikipedia page, but I doubt anyone here has declared a COI in editing it, because it's blatantly obvious that anyone editing it is one of the volunteers who edit here, because they edited... I think?? My head is now going in circles, it is time to sleep. Elemimele (talk) 21:52, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

From AN/I: An IP user needs assistance to access the content of a deleted page

 Courtesy link: Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents § Transfer_data_to_Russia

Hello Teahouse,

I was browsing AN/I and I came across a request given in the courtesy link above. This request is from an IP user 129.194.85.132. Their request is to access the text of a deleted page on enwiki: Шталаг XVIII-D.

I believe their request is best for the teahouse, so I am putting it here for them. Can some admin please assist them?

Cheers, -- TheLonelyPather (talk) 17:28, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

Just as a point of information (because this seems to be an area that's unclear to many users, myself included), the preferred way to request administrator assistance is to add Template:Admin help (links, talk), followed by a description of your request, to your user talk page. See also WP:Requests for administrator attention. Fabrickator (talk) 18:22, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

Thanks! This is super helpful. I learned something new today. TheLonelyPather (talk) 18:39, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

Deleting a User Page Marked Article

I once copied the Herman Armour Webster article to my user page. I no longer need it, and would like to have it deleted from my user page only. If I add the template {{db-userreq}} to my page the system thinks that I want to remove the article from Wikipedia which I do not. Can one of the administrrators help with this?Oldsilenus (talk) 18:48, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

Photograph

Is there anywhere where I can find notable and good pictures (of people, places) that arent copyrighed or are in the public domain? 6thseries (talk) 19:16, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

The easiest way to obtain an image in terms of copyright is to take the image yourself. Is there something in particular you are seeking an image of? 331dot (talk) 19:23, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

If i get permission from a copyrighted source, how do i mention that i have permission to use it? 6thseries (talk) 21:34, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

You can't do it like that; Copyright law is very complicated. In order for a copyrighted image to be used on Wikipedia 'with permission', the copyright owner themself has to fill in a specific legal permission form and send it to Wikipedia: this requires them to explicitly allow any use of the picture by anyone in the world for any purpose (including commercial) so long as the copyright holder is acknowledged. Few copyright holders are willing to either (a) allow such unlimited use and/or (b) go through the required legal hoops. Note that for most photographs, paintings, etc, the copyright usually remains with the photographer (or their heirs) for typically 95 years, regardless of who first published the photo, bought a print of it, bought the painting, etc. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 51.198.140.169 (talk) 22:30, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

If you are looking for images you can use on Wikipedia, Creative Commons lists a number of sources with appropriate licenses. A rich source of UK places not listed there this is Geograph. Shantavira|^{feed me} 19:26, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

I've been told to come here to find out how to phrase what the evidence shows ?

No, I don't understand it either Grabyrdy (talk) 20:10, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Draft:Tommaso Bai Pinging @Asparagusus, the AfC reviewer of the article. Your draft was declined due to its poor formatting and claims that were contradicted by the sources. There are also many peacock words in the text, which makes it seem like an essay.

For assistance with formatting, see WP:REF, and with phrasing your conclusions better, see WP:NPOV.

Regards, ContributeToTheWiki (talk • contribs) 20:39, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

Hello again, Grabyrdy! I sent you here to ask about how to phrase statements in a neutral point of view and formatting. Thanks ContributeToTheWiki. Asparagusus (interaction) 20:42, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

@Grabyrdy This person may well meet our Notability Criteria but, right now, what you've presented us with is a complete mess. Your draft is not really very legible, and definitely not of a standard required for an encyclopaedia article. Please work on your draft and compare it to existing articles to see how they differ. Avoid your own personal opinions, and summarise only what other, Reliable Sources have stated about this person. You must use 'inline citations' to published sources which support each factual statement you add. Personal essays are not an acceptable format here, I'm afraid. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 22:16, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

Best way to get edits done to a page about you yourself

Greetings - I am asking this question on behalf of Bunyan Bryant (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bunyan_Bryant). Neither of us know anything about editing Wikipedia pages, although I have done some reading about it. As I understand, neither Professor Bryant, as the subject, nor I, as someone who works for him, should edit his page. So, what is the best way to see that edits are done?

Professor Bryant published his memoir last year (https://www.rivertownsbooks.com/book-page/bryant-educator-and-activist), and that should be added to his page. There are also inaccuracies in the "Early Life" section (it's actually quite a muddle), so out of curiosity I clicked on the first reference and found that it links to the website of the New England Carnivorous Plant Society! LOL, why? And while reference 4 does say what it is cited for in Professor Bryant's wikipedia page, it is not really accurate. After obtaining his Ph.D. in Education, he was planning on becoming an educational consultant when he was recruited by the School of Natural Resources to start the Environmental Advocacy Program. While he was committed to and active in civil rights actions, it is misleading to say "his goal was to focus on civil rights." And yes, he did initially think he would stay for only a year or so at SEAS, but he ended up spending his entire 40-year academic career there. The description of his involvement with the Black Action Movement needs to be cleaned up, too. For one thing, his housing case (in 1965, well before he joined SEAS) was pursued in collaboration with CORE, not BAM.

Anyway, what is your advice for getting a listing for his memoir added and correcting inaccuracies on the page? Thank you for your help! Wikipedia is a frequent resource for me, and I appreciate the volunteerism that fuels it. - Janet Max (JEMMwiki) JEMMwiki (talk) 21:26, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, JEMMwiki. Thanks for asking about this and being clear about your connection to Bryant. The guidance you're looking for is available at Wikipedia:Simple conflict of interest edit request. You may also like to read Wikipedia:Conflict of interest#Writing about yourself, family, friends. The New England Carnivorous Plant Society issue appears to be because the link in that reference now redirects to the NECPS website - presumably it didn't when it was first added! I'll try to fix that shortly. Cordless Larry (talk) 21:33, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

I tried to replace the link for that reference with one to the Internet Archive, but it appears that the original wasn't archived. I've marked the link as dead for now. Ideally, a replacement reference would be found. Cordless Larry (talk) 21:49, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

@JEMMwiki The reference to a pdf about him being childless by choice is also a dead link. Maybe the Wayback Machine can supply a live reference you could use. Nick Moyes (talk) 22:22, 14 August 2023 (UTC)