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August 21

Image Policies - HELP

Help! I am editing Wikipedia pages in English, French, German, and Spanish for German soprano Lotte Lehmann (1888-1976). The pictures in the Infobox are not representative or flattering, and I would like to replace them. I have looked at the Wikimedia Commons page for her, and there are no images that are suitable. I have access to many images of her, taken from articles, books, and scanned from the large collection of personal photos she donated to UC Santa Barbara in the 1970's. In most cases the photographer and date is not listed. Even so, if the photographer was 20 years old and took a photo of her in 1925, the photographer would be 98 now. What can I do to add new images of her to Wikimedia Commons that can be used by the English, French, German, and Spanish Wikipedia pages? Thank you for any help. I have tried really hard to understand the licensing policies but they are confusing and difficult. SP-lava (talk) 00:09, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

Hello, SP-lava. Any photo first published over 95 years ago is almost certainly in the public domain because copyright has expired. It is therefore eligible to be uploaded to Wikimedia Commons, where it can be used on any Wikimedia project (or anywhere else) without any permission being required. It is an annual process, so anything published in 1927 or before is in the public domain throughout 2023. On January 1, 2024, the 1928 items become public domain, including Mickey Mouse. Cullen328 (talk) 00:20, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

Thank you @Cullen328for your response. Does this mean if I can prove a date (such as a performance from 1920), but don't have a photographer name, I can upload the image? I started to do this for Wikimedia Commons, but there was so much information I needed to provide when adding, much of which I didn't have, that in the end the image failed to be approved. SP-lava (talk) 00:29, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

SP-lava, if you can establish that a photo was first published in or before 1927, then there is no need to identify the photographer. If you know who the photographer was, then that is useful information to add, but not necessary. Cullen328 (talk) 00:45, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

Got it. Thanks @Cullen328 SP-lava (talk) 17:25, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

SP-lava, Italian copyright law is considerably less annoying than are the copyright laws of most countries. See the template affixed to this photo from 1973, as an example. In your position, I'd be looking for Italian photos of Lehmann. However, if you have any further questions related to this, you should ask them at Commons, not here. -- Hoary (talk) 04:53, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

@Hoary Thanks for the tip and the Redirect. I didn't realize I was in the wrong place. SP-lava (talk) 17:26, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

@Hoary Is this the right place to go? https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Help_desk SP-lava (talk) 17:28, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

SP-lava, perhaps commons:Commons:Help desk, although if you're asking about a copyright matter then commons:Commons:Village pump/Copyright. -- Hoary (talk) 21:55, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

@Hoary Thank you again. SP-lava (talk) 01:11, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

Sourcing & notability for draft

I'm working on a draft article & have a few questions - I submitted it for review through AfC (I'm autoconfirmed and know how to move to mainspace, but since it's my first article I wanted to be sure I was getting everything right) & was declined for sourcing and notability.

I see the issues w sourcing - I used several self-published sources as sources on themselves, but some of them were admittedly stretching the guidelines a bit. I took out the ones that I think were problematic; I've kept two self-published sources in the draft (references 11 & 15), and I'd really appreciate it if someone could take a look and let me know if those two are acceptable as sources on herself.

As far as notability goes, I'm a little confused - I asked the reviewer for clarification, but haven't gotten a response, so I'd also appreciate some other experienced editors' input. I based the article on the notability guideline "Has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works appearing in sources that are reliable, not self-published, and are independent of the musician or ensemble itself." The published works in question are this article in Rolling Stone, this article in the Atlantic, this article (along with others) in Ones To Watch (which is an established & reliable newsblog), and this article (along with others I didn't include, since I thought I had established notability) by The Fader. Since the rule of thumb I've seen is three published works, I thought this was more than enough - thoughts?

I have other questions about how to improve this article, but I want to make sure it's notable enough in the first place before I waste anyone's time with all that. Thanks so much to anyone who can help! Remainsuncertain (talk) 03:27, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

@Remainsuncertain On "On April 21, 2023, via social media, a new underscores era was launched, featuring lore about a fictional Michigan town called Wallsocket,[11]" No, if the subject is the only source for this, it's not interesting to include (from the WP-POV). Also the language "a new underscores era was launched" is not how "we" do it. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:12, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

Got it! I included that information because a lot of notable sources talked about said era (and associated lore), but none of them mentioned the starting point. The weird passive voice (or whatever the grammatical term is) is because I wasn't sure about how to differentiate the artist herself from the project ("Underscores launched a new era" vs "Grey launched a new underscores era" etc.). I'll take another look at what the sources say and see if I can switch things around! Remainsuncertain (talk) 19:09, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

Looking through the article quickly; there are a couple things I'm noticing.

1. You may want to clarify this person's name and pronouns. I'm noticing that Underscores is the stage name, but the article uses April Harper Grey as the given name and female pronouns, whereas a lot of the sources use a different given name (is one of them a dead name? If so it looks like the person has gone by both publically and so per MOS:DEADNAME both should probably be noted) and they/them pronouns. I also note that in the infobox there is an unsourced also known as of MILKFISH, which I assume is another stage name they have performed under. There should be something in a "Personal life" section to clarify the discrepancies.
2. Proper names should be capitalized. That includes stage names like Underscores, and song and album titles. I note that you have consistently used lowercase, and that does seem to be how the artist prefers things, but take a look at this section of the manual of style.
3. There are 2 purposes of citations on Wikipedia
   1. clarifying where information comes from
   2. demonstrating notability

I think you understand the difference, but when you are submitting an article to AFC you need to make it very clear that there are sources that support notability, and a great way to do that is to write the article using only those sources and then flesh out the details with additional sources (like the about self ones you mention above) later.

I defiantly think the Atlantic article and the Rolling Stone article are pointers of notability. Perhaps Timtrent wouldn't mind coming here and clarifying their concerns with the article? ~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 16:08, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

Thanks so much!!

Yep, the points you made in #1 are some of my main "other questions about how to improve this article:"

- My initial draft included clarifying info about her name, which she posted a statement about via social media, but another editor removed it with the comment "What say wrote about herself on social media does not contribute to notability and does not warrant a quote."

- Regarding pronouns, no sources formally note her pronouns (although the most recent ones do use she/her) and she has never made an official statement - I got the current information from her social media bio, but I have no idea how to cite that or if it's appropriate to do so at all.

- Thanks for linking the info about deadnames and capitalization - I dug around for those for a while, to no avail, lol.

- Regarding deadnaming: would you say she was notable under the other name? Only two sources mention it, one being a passing mention in the middle of the article (nothing in the lede). Most just refer to her as "underscores." But I'm not sure if that's what the MoS means by "notable under that name."

- The MILKFISH mention is an error on my part - I decided to remove the source for it (in "other work"), since it wasn't the strongest. Forgot it was in the infobox as well.

Thanks for the tip in #3. That makes a lot of sense as to why it was declined for notability in the first place! Remainsuncertain (talk) 19:39, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

ONUnicorn It would have been a pleasure, but another editor has accepted the draft. Sometimes, you know, reviewers can make errors. This has proven to be one of those times. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 21:49, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

position of hide/show in table

The hide/show feature is placed differently in this table, where it's in the competition column, compared to this 1, where it's in scorers column. I've looked at how that was done in editing but I just don't see it. Can someone help me out? Dutchy45 (talk) 03:48, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

See Help:Collapsing#Sortable tables. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:21, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

Hedgehog pathway inhibitor: link addition

I was searching for the article titled: Hedgehog pathway inhibitor A keyword search on Hedgehog inhibitor came up with nothing, despite the fact that this exact term is mentioned in the first paragraph of the article. I think that typing Hedgehog inhibitor should show a link the the complete title Hedgehog pathway inhibitor SydneyCarten (talk) 04:21, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

Works for me - Special:Search/hedgehog inhibitor shows me Hedgehog pathway inhibitor as the first result. (There should be a redirect from the Hedgehog inhibitor title, but I'm not going to create it just yet; doing so would make it impossible to figure out what went wrong with your search.) —Cryptic 04:47, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

Eton College

Ref. number 125 is in red and all wrong. I don't understand. please fix. Thank you in advance 58.179.137.31 (talk) 08:24, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

 Done, acessdate was listed as 23 August 2033. Cmr08 (talk) 10:23, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

page of a pdf

sometimes a reliable source is in a pdf doc which is a numerical doc of an original paper doc with missing pages. For example, in the pdf, the info is at the page 30 but on that page, it is written that it is the page 42 of the original paper doc. In the ref using the template cite web or cite book, for the property page, should I indicate the page 30 or 42 ? Yunan973 (talk) 13:23, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

@Yunan973 You should use the correctly numbered text page in the original document 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 13:32, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

Note also the tip at WP:PAGELINKS. In providing readers the URL for a .pdf, you can append #page=30 so that for most people the .pdf will open at the correct place: page 42 of the original document in your example, with the parameter |page=42 also included, as already suggested above. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:09, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

Ok. Another question = when the pdf is not readable in the web browser but is on a web page where we can download it (example here: https://ins-congo.cg/download/annuaire-statistique-du-congo-2010/), is it ok to use the property "format=pdf" of the template cite web ? Yunan973 (talk) 14:59, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

The documentation at {{cite web}} suggests that the parameter |format=pdf should only be used where the target URL is actually a .pdf but, for some reason has a different file extension set by the owner of the file. That would not be the case in your example: the only way to download the .pdf is to navigate to the webpage and then click on the "Télécharger" button: there is no direct URL that works. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:42, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

Updating logo for the company I work for.

I am an employee at Livingston International, and recently, we underwent a brand overhaul, which involved redesigning our logo. I require assistance with the process of uploading the updated logo, as I am currently encountering an issue where the system prevents me from overwriting the existing file. Your support in this matter would be greatly valued.

Thank you, Manjeet Manjeetcares (talk) 13:27, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

@Manjeetcares Please read WP:PAID. I suggest you request its upload. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 13:31, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

@Manjeetcares Done. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 20:26, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

Was I supposed to

Was I supposed to do this? https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AYakima%2C_Washington&diff=1171501470&oldid=1163925636 Cwater1 (talk) 13:53, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

@Cwater1 Strictly speaking, WP:REDACT suggests you should have struck out your text rather than removed it entirely, as it had been on the Talk Page for a year, not a short while. If someone else had commented in the thread (which wasn't the case here) you certainly should not have removed it. No harm was done in taking the approach you did, however. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:02, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

I'll use the strike out next time. I did self-correction there. I know it would been against policy removing someone else messages unless it was too offensive or didn't follow guidelines. Cwater1 (talk) 14:43, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

List of islands of Cambodia: ISLAND STUDY & Wikipedia Revision history

I have been studying the Islands of Cambodia using about five different MAP sources, and many Internet Web Pages to study the islands. My goal is initially to study the history of the islands, and then to combine them into my World-Earth database of islands (Which has become a unbelievable task once I began studying Cambodia.) I realize that the WET seasons dramatically affects the inland islands of Cambodia, submerging lands that may reappear in the DRY season (and possibly in shifted locations depending on the Soil Erosion and water level). My current focus is on Ocean-Sea-Gulf Coastal Islands specifically the Gulf of Thailand. In studying all the sources the entry for "Koh Traolach, Melon Island, ត្រឡាច" which appears in ALL revisions of the Wikipedia "List of islands of Cambodia" located on Web Internet page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_islands_of_Cambodia does not appear as a Coastal Island but possibly a "Inland Island" and has been impossible to find (anywhere). There is a Inland district with a similar name "Kampong Tralach ឃុំ កំពង់ត្រឡាច" where a Khmer prison (converted high school) was but I can't be certain the original Wikipedia name ENTRY wasn't an alternate name for a coastal island. I also understand there are numerous names, alternate names, and spellings for each island and searched for that possibility but have not found anything even remotely reasonable to explain the entry in the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_islands_of_Cambodia. Could you clarify and maybe provide coordinates? 2600:4040:B0EB:A800:ADE3:6BDB:7401:615F (talk) 15:03, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

Hi IP editor.

Koh Traolach was added to the Wikipedia page at 06:16 on 1 December 2010 by an Editor who has not contributed since 2011. Unfortunately it is not sourced. I suggest that if you can't find any reference to this island anywhere else then it fails the Wikipedia:Verifiability policy, and you can simply remove it from the article.

On that note, if you have reliable sources for all the other unsourced islands on that list (there are a lot!), feel free to add them yourself. Qcne (talk) 15:52, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

What are the rules for creating business articles

We want to create a post for our company in the same way that Facebook did. Facebook however we do not want it confused as an advertisement. we want to create it within the rules and to be a biography in the same way Facebook does. How do we do that and what are the rules. Megaloglobal (talk) 15:08, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

First, you designate a single person to operate your account and have that person change the username via Special:GlobalRenameRequest. Then read WP:COI, WP:PAID, and WP:BOSS.

You are confused. Facebook did not create, and does not own, the article about it. It was written by independent editors wholly unconnected with Facebook. Wikipedia is not interested in what a company says about itself, only in what others choose to say abkut companies that Wikipedia considers notable. 331dot (talk) 15:15, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

When you know a document will change. archive-url?

I've got an article where information is referenced to the "pledge manual" (not called that) (a PDF file) for the group that is re-issued every year *and* is placed at the same URL. So within a week or so, the 2022-2023 pledge manual will be replaced by the 2023-2024 pledge manual. I'm not too concerned that the information that I'm referencing will disappear, mostly that the pages and sections may be renumbered. This pledge manual *is* on archive.org (and has been grabbed at *least* yearly since 2016). So I'd love to make the reference to a specific year, and I could use archive-url in cite web, but it doesn't feel right to mark it dead. Advice?Naraht (talk) 15:13, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

User:Naraht if there's a specific version that you'd like to be the source in perpetuity and not change on a yearly basis, you can point the |url= parameter directly at the archived version and lose the |archive-url=, |archive-date=, and |url-status= parameters. I'm not sure if this is exactly best practice, but it will accomplish what you're trying to do. Folly Mox (talk) 19:48, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

Folly Mox Thank you. That was one of the possibilities I was considering.Naraht (talk) 19:57, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

Hello wikipedia

I was just exploring the website and discovered that we could edit the webpages by ourselves , so i wanted to try that out , so i made some changes on " the boring company " article but i later deleted that . I just wanted to know i could get in some serious problem because of that. ParthPrem (talk) 16:51, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

In short, yes. The test edits you did while not logged in have already been flagged as "possible vandalism" automatically. Use a sandbox for test edits, either your own or the general one at WP:SB. Martin of Sheffield (talk) 17:11, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

confusion as to new account and a talk page.... need to verify my submission for review

there is confusion as to my submission under my new account and somehow it becoming a talk page. It was not intended as an account page.............I submitted a biography of a living person to your reviewers and yet now with confusion I cannot verify that the submission is still valid waiting for review. All I get is canned replies, not specific replies. MJM Skyemom43 (talk) 19:48, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

Skyemom43, while the decline review is canned, it still applies. Each of your references is a non-independent source; a source needs to be independent, reliable, and in-depth to contribute to notability. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 20:35, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

I would like to add that you are not contacting the 'Wikipedia' support line. You are posting a comment on a public forum, on a page used by Wikipedia editors for asking and answering questions. Wikipedia is not some collective entity, it is a collection of volunteers who collaborate to write an encyclopedia. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 20:37, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Skyemom. I'm afraid that, like many new editors, you have assumed that because you know how to write academic papers, you know how to write a Wikipedia article. But it is quite a different process.

I always advise new editors to spend a few weeks or months making small improvements to existing articles, and thereby learning how Wikipedia works, before even trying to write a new article; and in your present situation, that would still be my advice: put Crawford aside for a while, while you learn how things work here.

Then find places where Crawford or his work have been written about by people completely unconnected with him, (and published in reliable sources). If you can't find any, you'll know that he does not at present meet Wikipedia's criteria for notability, and there is no point in spending any more time trying to create an article about him.

If you can find such sources, then you can write an article. Forget everything you know about him, and write a summary of what the sources you have found say about him.

This is all summed up in your first article, which I urge you to read.

I also need to ask: are you associated with Crawford? If you are, then you have a conflict of interest. This does not prevent you making an article about him, but it makes it harder for you, because it is likely to be harder for you to write in a sufficiently neutral manner. ColinFine (talk) 21:36, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

My page on wikipedia

Hello, I would like to see myself listed in wikipedia, I have heard that it is usually a team from Wiki, doing this by taking the info from online. Please advise. Informations about me can be found on the link below:

https://www.linkedin.com/in/yogendra-kumar-mishra-982b5134/

Kind regards, Yogendra Mishrayk (talk) 21:26, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

I'm afraid that you have a misunderstanding. If you meet Wikipedia's criteria for notability, then somebody may choose to write an article about you. Such an article will not belong to you, will not necessarily say you would like it to say, and should be based almost entirely on what people wholly unconnected with you have published about you, not on what you or your associates say or want to say. As far as Wikipedia is concerned, an article about you is not in any way for your benefit (or your detriment) - any benefit you obtain will be incidental (see an article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing).

All Wikipedia editors are volunteers, who work on what they choose to work on. If you want somebody to write an article about you, you will need to get somebody interested enough to do so. You can post a request at requested articles - but in honesty the take-up there is very small. You can improve the attractiveness of your request by doing some of the legwork first: finding some independent reliable sources about yourself.

Basically, people who try to get articles about themselves on Wikipedia usually have a difficult and frustrating time, however they do it - that is not what Wikipedia is for.

If you decide to try and write an article about yourself, (which is strongly discouraged, but not forbidden), then please start by reading AUTOBIOGRAPHY and then your first article.

Above all, do not think of paying somebody to do this: many of the people offering this services are scammers. Some may be honest: if they are, they will tell you up front that they cannot guarantee that an article about you will be accepted, or that if it is accepted, you will be happy with it, or that if you are happy with it to start with, it will stay that way. If any article exists about you, almost anybody in the world may edit it (in accordance with Wikipedia's policies) - except you and your associates, who are limited to requesting changes.

All this is probably not what you wanted to hear: this is because, like many people, you have a fundamental misunderstanding of what Wikipedia is, and think it is a place to tell the world about yourself. It is not, and promotion of all kinds is strictly forbidden. ColinFine (talk) 21:49, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia isn't a place for you to promote yourself, sorry. 331dot (talk) 21:50, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

is there an area where bios of academics needs to be entered?

I notice that you have specific guidelines for writing academic bios of living individuals. is there a specific form or entry place that these bios much be sent? Skyemom43 (talk) 22:43, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

@Skyemom43, you have already created Draft:Michael Herman Crawford, submitted it, and had it declined. That is the proper process, there is no special place for academics. I highly recommend you spend some time reading Help:Your first article and the replies to your post above. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 22:47, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

Skyemom43, Draft:Michael Herman Crawford doesn't even look like an article. An experienced editor might have to spend half an hour making it look like one. No self-respecting reviewer would accept something looking like that, without also reformatting it. So effectively you're expecting some reviewer to judge that this meets Wikipedia criteria and also to devote half an hour or more of their day to the chore of reformatting it. A tall order indeed. -- Hoary (talk) 01:18, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

@Skyemom43: I reccommend that you look at several of our articles about professors to see how they are usually formatted. When you find one whose format appeals to you, look at its wikisource to see how it is put together, and use that as a worked example. -Arch dude (talk) 01:57, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

You can take a look at an article that I created, J. Frederick Grassle, for an example if you like; go to the "edit" mode (but do not edit, unless of course you have something to add) to see the "behind the scenes" formatting that makes it display like a "proper" Wikipedia article. Note, this article was "accepted" without a problem because it provided at least 3 independent sources that established the subject's notability to Wikipedia standards, as well as being written in acceptable Wikipedia "encyclopedic" style (for which there is something of a learning curve, admittedly, but you can start by "copying" the formatting and presentation style of other articles as suggested above). Note that a few key cited publications written by the subject will normally suffice, to indicate the field/s they are known for - not a full list - an external link to e.g. Google Scholar or similar will supply this. Statements regarding key events in the subject's life and career will need references to external sources that confirm this information. Above all, again as stated by others above, if you do not make a valid attempt to present your draft in a format Wikipedia expects, it will not be acceptable to any reviewer. Hope this helps. Tony 1212 (talk) 03:43, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

Just to be clear - evidence of notability is not in his own works, but in statements by others as to his notability and/or that his works have been recognised for their usefulness/influence in his field. You should use Wikipedia:Notability_(academics)#Criteria as your guide to what would be required to satisfy relevant notability criteria in this regard. Tony 1212 (talk) 04:32, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

@Skyemom43:I did a bit of work so that it vaguely approaches following the layout guidelines, but it could use a lot of work. It's completely unreferenced, for one thing. Edward-Woodrow :) _[talk] 21:29, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

August 22

Knee Games

HI guys can you please check this User:Ab.Haris999/sandbox i created a page on Knee South Korean Tekken Player he is 2 time Evo Champion he is Notable just like Arsalan Ash. Can you guys help me to improve this page with references i mainly used details from wikitia and Liquipedia but i need help with reference this guy is realy Notable you can check about him on youtube and tekken Global tournaments. i think he is notable to move direct in mainspace if you guys can review his page i can move this in mainspace Ab.Haris999 (talk) 00:50, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

No, Ab.Haris999, you've got the wrong idea. The right idea is: You start with reliable sources, and work from these. Incidentally, saying three times in one paragraph (above) that somebody is notable smacks of desperation. (All you need do instead is say that, taken together, [reliable source 1], [reliable source 2] and [reliable source 3] show that he meets WP:GNG.) -- Hoary (talk) 01:11, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Hoary thank you for the responce here is the links I see about knee can you check that links:is he eligible?

https://www.redbull.com/int-en/drx-knee-evo-2022-tekken-7-winner

https://www.oneesports.gg/tekken/knee-trained-pakistan-beat-tekken-god/

https://osgamers.com/frequently-asked-questions/who-is-knee-tekken-real-name

https://appuals.com/knee-wins-evo-2022/

https://geniuscelebs.com/tekken-knee-arrested-what-did-he-do/

https://www.sportskeeda.com/esports/news-the-issue-heat-system-many-games-drx-knee-talks-red-bull-golden-letters-tournament-tekken-8-exclusive

https://www.esportsearnings.com/players/1524-knee-bae-jae-min#google_vignette

https://kotaku.com/a-tekken-legends-visit-to-pakistan-is-met-with-both-che-1840183690 Ab.Haris999 (talk) 17:11, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

Ab.Haris999, if you nominate the best three, I'll look at those three. -- Hoary (talk) 21:47, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

Yes,

https://www.redbull.com/int-en/drx-knee-evo-2022-tekken-7-winner

https://www.sportskeeda.com/esports/news-the-issue-heat-system-many-games-drx-knee-talks-red-bull-golden-letters-tournament-tekken-8-exclusive

https://kotaku.com/a-tekken-legends-visit-to-pakistan-is-met-with-both-che-1840183690 Ab.Haris999 (talk) 22:06, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

@Ab.Haris999, I'd recommend replacing your second one with something else. Sportskeeda is generally unreliable (see the list at WP:RS/PS) and it seems to be an interview in any case, so not independent (have you read WP:42?). 199.208.172.35 (talk) 22:54, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

ok here is other link : https://geniuscelebs.com/tekken-knee-arrested-what-did-he-do/

I have more links if you want. Ab.Haris999 (talk) 23:00, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

Ab.Haris999, thank you for the links. The kotaku.com source looks good. The redbull.com source, not so much. The geniuscelebs.com page isn't obviously bad, but the website that it appears within shouts "tabloid trash". -- Hoary (talk) 06:09, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

thank you for reply so what you think about him is he eligible for wikipedia? i have more sources about him. Ab.Haris999 (talk) 21:38, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

Ab.Haris999, unfortunately it's not obvious to me either that he is or that he isn't. One reason for this may be my complete unfamiliarity with (i) the websites that are cited (and therefore their reliability), and (ii) the subject matter (and therefore what would constitute "significant coverage"). Because of my inability to judge, plus the fact that this thread is slipping up this page towards oblivion, I suggest that you ask about eligibility on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Video games. (Try to avoid asking the same question at two or more places at the same time; so if you do ask there, also mention here that you've moved the discussion over there.) Good luck! -- Hoary (talk) 04:41, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

@Hoary OK and thank you. Ab.Haris999 (talk) 17:13, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

New York Times Paywall Help!!!

I’m working on improving the David Lewis Gifford article and I’ve stumbled upon a source that could be really useful. As it appears to detail one of Giffords numerous action hero-like adventures. What I know of the disaster is fairly rudimentary. He was on a ship - Daniel Webster - that was crushed by ice five miles south of the northernmost point of the United States. In Alaska. The trail runs cold, until we discover he was picked up by an Australian ship. Though I haven’t added that bit on Wiki. This article from the New York Times appears to fill in the blanks. From what I can see it might indicate how he was rescued, and would make a really intriguing point. I was wondering if anybody here would be able to ‘gift’ me the article so I can read. After bumping into the Times’ paywall I became very frustrated, but seeing that there was a way for me to read it without shelling out I was suddenly reinvigorated. I would be extremely, extremely grateful if anyone were to help me out here. It would mean so much to me and would truly help build the encyclopedia and life story of an incredible man. AdmiralAckbar1977 ^{talk contribs} 02:12, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

AdmiralAckbar1977, can you give us some more detail about the article you're looking for? Link, title, author, date, anything like that? Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 02:15, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

Of course haha. I have the link copied and everything I just completely forgot! Here AdmiralAckbar1977 ^{talk contribs} 02:18, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

Gift links don't work for TimesMachine archive articles. I can email you a PDF if you enable email. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 02:22, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

WP:RX may be helpful in the future. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:39, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

@AdmiralAckbar1977, @Firefangledfeathers: no need to pay anyone a dime here. This article is in the public domain so it's accessible via the Internet Archive's New York Times scan collection. See the issue for 12 January 1882, page 5, column 4. Shells-shells (talk) 08:08, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

Awesome. All praise to the Internet Archive. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 12:19, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

Wow!! Thank you so much for letting me know, @Shells-shells. @Firefangledfeathers thank you so much for offering to help! AdmiralAckbar1977 ^{talk contribs} 14:33, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

In the future, @AdmiralAckbar1977:, if you do run into the same problem with a paywall, WP:RX is designed exactly for this sort of thing. You let people know what article you need access to, and someone with a subscription can look it up for you, and even email you a copy to peruse on your own. --Jayron32 14:36, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

Fix the host cities of Olympics in France

Can you please figure out the problem about the map of the country France where they host the Summer and Winter Olympics in the host cities? Paris 1900, Paris 1924, and it will host again in 2024. Chamonix 1924, Glenoble 1968, and Albertville 1992. It's like a location sites. 108.21.67.83 (talk) 02:18, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

Please let us know which article you are seeing a problem in? There are several related to the Olympic and France. RudolfRed (talk) 02:27, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/France_at_the_Olympics#Hosted_Games Right here. I need help make corrections and updates. 108.21.67.83 (talk) 06:27, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

Fixed. The city coordinates were completely wrong and located outside the map area. MKFI (talk) 10:31, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

How to edit the original named reference

I am finally facing the question of how I choose to cite references in a new or substantially expanded article. I like the concept of named references because it simplifies the edit coding. The disadvantage is that the reader has to scroll down to see the details. So my inclination is to use named references only for sources which are used frequently. But the biggest catch to named references seems to be that it is difficult to find that original reference if it must be changed. Is there a trick for locating the original naming of a reference? Humphrey Tribble (talk) 03:05, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

Humphrey Tribble assuming you are using the source editor, try using Ctrl+F then look for <ref name="foo">. most of your recent edits are tagged mobile web, in which case your browser likely has a 'Find in page' feature which you can use instead of Ctrl+F. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 03:11, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

Thank you, Sungodtemple (talk · contribs), your example helped me solve my immediate problem. However, I had to edit and search several sections. That would be laborious for many articles.

Ideally, I’d like a cross reference between the names and the references. Perhaps the name which is given to a reference could be stored as an editor’s comment with that reference. But I don’t know how that would work in practice. Humphrey Tribble (talk) 04:21, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

It sounds as though you are groping towards/trying to reinvent short form referencing. See Template:Sfn for the full details, but put simply it separates the citations from the references. In the text you have a short form reference that looks like {{sfn|Tribble|2023|p=4}}. At the foot of the article you have the citations neatly arranged (typically in alphabetical order). If you hover over the reference number in the text, then the reference will appear as a tooltip, if you then hover over the tool tip the full citation will appear as another tooltip, thereby not requiring you to search for it. See Frindsbury for one example. Regards, Martin of Sheffield (talk) 07:00, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

User:Humphrey Tribble, for finding named references added by others, if you tap the "three dots" menu in the upper right of the article, there is a new option "edit full article", which will allow you to search for the reference name without having to check each section individually. Folly Mox (talk) 12:40, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

ECAL (disambiguation)

The disambiguation page for ECAL lists five items, of which: three are redlinks for inexistent articles; one is a link to Eastern California based on an acronym that is nowhere to be found in the article itself (nor is this usage easily found elsewhere); the final link is to the École cantonale d'art de Lausanne, a Swiss university that is commonly referred to as ECAL (or ÉCAL in the French speaking part of Switzerland). This disambiguation page seems to serve little purpose. Should it be deleted? -- Cl3phact0 (talk) 04:16, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

I've removed the redlink-only entries. I agree the disambiguation page that is left isn't very useful. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 04:19, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

... and redirected the disambiguation page. It's gone now. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 04:20, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

Great, thanks! Much cleaner. -- Cl3phact0 (talk) 04:59, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

PCH. Com

How do I Scan a DrDepper 2600:6C40:1200:16F4:71DC:C384:8ACC:D4CE (talk) 04:38, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

This help desk is for questions related to Wikipedia. We can't help with other issues. RudolfRed (talk) 04:59, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

my future career

Who am I in 2023? Micheal holden (talk) 06:23, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

This is not a general help desk, we can't give you help with your resume or philosophical help. 331dot (talk) 06:52, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

Company page

Hi I want to create a company page and then pages on the team - any place that has a description how to create more them one page/article? thanks. AndyCytrycki (talk) 10:11, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

@andycytrycki: absolutely not. wikipedia is not a place to promote your company. ltbdl (talk) 10:12, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

its not about promoting - its about a description on the company - there is a lot of pages on companies and biographies of people working in them. AndyCytrycki (talk) 10:15, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

@andycytrycki: well, are you connected to the company in any way? you must declare this. see here for how. ltbdl (talk) 10:17, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

@AndyCytrycki: You created a whole page of such text as " The excellent results are delivered by leveraging the deep reservoir of knowledge, relationships and skillset of our team focused on unlocking strategic opportunities and creation of exceptional returns for our investors", and you are asking us to believe that it was not intended as promotion? Really? It was blatant and unambiguous marketing copy from start to finish. Nobody in the world writes like that except marketing professionals employed to promote something. JBW (talk) 10:24, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

there is no problem for me to rephrase the descriptions - I was asked to create the page. If there is a page that will describe that's applicable then I will stick only to that. I will retrain myself from any lines like that. The question is whether I make the effort to write a lot on the company and it would be deleted.

This is why I'm asking for help. AndyCytrycki (talk) 10:33, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

User:AndyCytrycki, the brief essay Wikipedia:When your boss tells you to edit Wikipedia might be an informative read for you. Folly Mox (talk) 12:48, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Andy. If your comnpany has been written about enough by people wholly unconnected with it, published in reliable sources, then there could be a Wikipedia article about it, based entirely on what those independent people say about it, not on what you or our associates say or want to say. You are not forbidden from creating the article itself, but it is discouraged. Such an article will not belong to you or to your company, will not be controlled by you, will not necessarily say what you want it to say. Is that really what you want the world to see? (See An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing).

The same applies to articles about your colleagues- only if they indvidiually meet Wikipedia's criteria for notability are articles possible. ColinFine (talk) 10:35, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

Ok so there is a page about one of the team members - and its out of date - I was asked to update it. And I Will.

So in other words - independent people would have to create a page on the company and people? AndyCytrycki (talk) 10:42, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

Hi @AndyCytrycki. You can't just go and update it without declaring both your Wikipedia:Conflict of interest and making a Wikipedia:Paid-contribution disclosure. Not disclosing this by not following the instructions on those two links is a breach of the Wikimedia Terms and Conditions and can lead to your account being restricted. These declarations must be the next thing you do. Do not make any more edits to any articles related to your company until you've done that.

If you're having trouble with the declaration process, let us know and we can walk you through it. Qcne (talk) 10:48, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

Once you have made these declarations, it is permissible for you to draft an article on your company or its members. The guidance is at WP:COIEDIT. You will be expected to put in the effort to learn how to make such a draft meet Wikipedia's expectations: see H:YFA. You may wish to read WP:BACKWARD to help you avoid the most obvious mistakes. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:53, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

Thank you very much for this information - this makes it way more understandable how it works. And now I know my next steps. Very helpful. AndyCytrycki (talk) 10:56, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

Forget everything you ever learned about marketing, not least of all bullshit terms like "team" and "associates". --Orange Mike | Talk 16:37, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

Capitalize title

How do I capitalize the title of the article würzburg Baskets The first "W" should be upper case BiggySmoov (talk) 10:29, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

I've removed the Template:Lowercase title code from the article- you may need to purge the article cache to see the update. Qcne (talk) 10:39, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

When you inserted content after blanking the page, the content you inserted included the template {{lowercase title}}. I have no idea why, but you can remove it.

Incidentally, I'm not sure where you copied that material from, but if it was from within Wikipedia (as i assume it was ) you breached the licence by not attributing where it was copied from. You could have done this in the edit summary, or you could (and still can) do so on the article's talk page. ColinFine (talk) 10:41, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

Sankar, Ajith (2015

Effective waste management 105.113.80.165 (talk) 11:24, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

If you have a question about using Wikipedia, feel free to ask it. -- Hoary (talk) 11:25, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

I've fixed the reference error caused by the missing title at Waste management, which is transcluded to Waste. Folly Mox (talk) 12:58, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

Publishing a new article

I’m trying to publish a new article, but I keep having to type in the faded words. If I do that for too long, it says I’ve run out of tries and should try again later. The Film Watcher (talk) 12:18, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

New accounts cannot directly create articles, you must use the article wizard or Articles for creation to create and submit a draft. 331dot (talk) 12:20, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

User:The Film Watcher, please make sure you are tapping "Publish" after completing the captcha. Tapping the circle arrow will just keep providing you with more captchas until you've used up all your tries. Folly Mox (talk) 13:02, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

Aldo, Giovanni & Giacomo

The trio received an honour in 2010: "Ambrogino d'oro - Medaglia d'oro — Milano, 7 dicembre 2010"; why not add it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by JackkBrown (talk • contribs) 14:35, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

Hi @JackkBrown. Please remember to sign your comments so we can track who is saying what. That article is not protected, so you can go ahead and add the award to the article yourself, as long as you back it up with a source. Qcne (talk) 13:44, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

@JackkBrown: If you're having problems adding the award or finding a source, I suggest posting a request on the article's talk page. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 21:46, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

I have added an honour to the page dedicated to Aldo, Giovanni & Giacomo; I hope I haven't made any technical or other errors. JackkBrown (talk) 23:46, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

This page has no references. JackkBrown (talk) 00:11, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

The italian version seems to have plenty. Consider using some of those sources to improve the version here. RudolfRed (talk) 00:12, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

@RudolfRed: I don't know how to do it, I hope other users can enrich the page! JackkBrown (talk) 00:20, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

JackkBrown, most of the people reading this page will never have heard of Aldo, Giovanni & Giacomo and therefore would be disinclined to spend their time on this article (rather than on their own interests), and also will not be proficient in Italian. So you are well placed to do the job. If, after asking so many questions here, you still don't know either how to look for reliable sources or, once these are found, how to add them, then you have a problem. -- Hoary (talk) 00:58, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

And, JackkBrown, please don't duplicate message headers. -- Hoary (talk) 01:01, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

@Hoary: it's a pity, the English and other peoples should know much more about Italian music culture, entertainment and cinema. JackkBrown (talk) 09:25, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

JackkBrown, yes, it is indeed. But the fact is, they/we don't know much about these. (It must be at least 25 years since I last read an Italian novel [in English translation]; it was by Andrea Giovene.) -- Hoary (talk) 11:30, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

Inca Gold by Clive Cussler -

I wish to translate the book INCA GOLD by Clive Cussler in my language Tamil (south india). I need your advise please. My age is 77 and i am a Banker cum IT personnel. Vasu Vijayaraghavan (talk) 14:27, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

Ask his publisher, Simon & Schuster. Cabayi (talk) 14:35, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

@Vasu Vijayaraghavan Although Wikipedia has an article about the novel Inca Gold, which you would be welcome to translate into another-language version (see WP:TRANSLATEUS for some advice), we can't help with any translation of the whole book, which presumably would be a large task for you and only worthwhile if your version was going to be commercially published. There are copyright considerations, so as advised above you would need to contact the publisher of the English-language version. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:37, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

X Page

I posted this at the talk page of the language portal. The X page seems a bit weird to me right now. It's promoting discord servers and youtube channels, however the edits don't seem to be in the history. Am I seeing things or what's going on? Someone fill me in please. LeGoldenBoots (talk) 15:30, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

I've reverted vandalism to Module:Technical reasons, which was responsible for this, and blocked the IP that did it. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 15:36, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

position of hide/show in table

I already asked this at the helpdesk but got no response, so I figured I'd try here. I would like to use this feature once I understand it.
The hide/show feature is placed differently in this table, where it's in the competition (first) column, compared to this 1, where it's in scorers (last) column. I've looked at how that was done in editing but I just don't see it. Can someone help me out?
I would like to add I also looked at Help:Table without luck. Dutchy45 (talk) 20:42, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

@Dutchy45: See Help:Collapsing#Sortable tables. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:20, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

August 23

donations

please include google pay method for making donations 175.101.156.206 (talk) 00:18, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

The volunteers here at the help desk have nothing to do with the donation process. If you have questions or suggestions about donating, email donate@wikimedia.org RudolfRed (talk) 02:01, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

The online donation page has a button for Google Pay. Deor (talk) 02:14, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

Berney baronets

ref three 3 is in red - please fix if you have the time.

This is the URL - https://www.google.com.au/books/edition/Complete_baronetage/LNrdDwAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=George+Edward+Cokayne&printsec=frontcover

Thanks 115.70.23.77 (talk) 02:08, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

According to the help link, {{Cite book}} does not support the work= parameter. If you remove that the error should go away. RudolfRed (talk) 02:29, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

I tried, but no good. Please help. Thank you. 1.145.210.146 (talk) 03:41, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

"But no good" is ... no good. Try harder. If "George Edward Cokayne" is a chapter, or something akin to a chapter, within a book whose title is "Complete Baronetage, Volume 1" (and yes, let's ignore for a moment the question of whether "Volume 1" is rightly part of the title), then change what is now title=George Edward Cokayne |work=Complete Baronetage, Volume 1 to chapter=George Edward Cokayne |title=Complete Baronetage, Volume 1. If this doesn't work, then what, precisely, is the lingering problem? (And if "George Edward Cokayne" is not akin to a chapter title, then please explain.) -- Hoary (talk) 05:55, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

 Done Maproom (talk) 06:25, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

Where?

Where can I find a place to talk only about Italian topics? JackkBrown (talk) 09:12, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

Beyond WT:WikiProject Italy (which I see you've already posted at), I don't know of anywhere. ColinFine (talk) 09:34, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

Italian WP, perhaps. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:20, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

Gråbergs Gråa Sång, perhaps not. -- Hoary (talk) 11:39, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

Ah. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:57, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

It's a very great pity

It's a very great pity that many Italian singers and entertainers don't have complete pages (some even have fifteen or twenty lines); en.wiki is missing out on a lot of quality music, which is sad. JackkBrown (talk) 11:01, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

Perhaps Berlusconi gave "Italian singers and entertainers" a bad name. NB this page is for requests for help; it's not for laments. -- Hoary (talk) 11:34, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

@Hoary: what does Berlusconi have to do with it? JackkBrown (talk) 11:46, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

This. -- Hoary (talk) 12:00, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

@Hoary: I can assure you that he has nothing to do with it, since he was never a real musician and singer, and, moreover, his past "activity" as a singer and musician isn't known to non-Italian people. JackkBrown (talk) 12:17, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

Yes, JackkBrown, it is a very great pity. The reason for it is that Wikipedia is entirely written by voluneers (ignoring the old, out-of-copyright reference texts like the 1911 Encyclopaedia Britannica that were used to lay the foundations 20+ years ago), none of those volunteers have yet chosen to write English-language articles about all those missing Italian artists, and no-one has the authority to compel any volunteer to do so.

The only remedy is for people who want those articles to exist to start creating them themselves. Since you yourself have an interest in this, you yourself are an ideal person to help.

Note that you don't necessarily have to create an article – a quite difficult task – entirely on your own. If you were to choose a particular subject, find sufficient Reliable sources that between them demonstrate the subject's Notability and contain sufficient material on which to base an article, and provide links or good bibliographical information to/for those sources, it's likely that a more experienced article writer will be willing to help.

You could add the subject and source details to WP:Requested articles – the overall takeup rate there is unfortunately low, but listing some good sources in the request greatly increases the likelihood of someone taking up the challenge.

Or you could begin a draft using the process at WP:Your first article, list all the sources on its Talk page (and keep adding more as you find them), and head the Talk page with an explicit invitation to collaborators (since otherwise potential collaborators might not want to 'tread on your turf'). Hope this helps. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 51.198.140.169 (talk) 19:28, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

Template:Infobox artist

The "Infobox artist" template has an error showing the character's gender when it displays the wrong gender compared to the article topic, but it can't be fixed because the information box has no place to edit the gender. I'm trying to edit some of these faulty posts, anyone with knowledge on this can help me? Phong Dang (talk) 09:46, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

Can you give an example of an article with the problem? As you say, there's nowhere in the infobox definition to specify a gender, and cases I have looked at do not display a gender. ColinFine (talk) 10:38, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

@ColinFine Yeah. "Template:Infobox artist" has no place to display gender but it automatically shows up when I use it on Vietnamese Wikipedia, I have replaced this template with a Template:Infobox artist created on Vietnamese Wikipedia itself but This error still occurs. Here. Is there any way to fix this error?. Phong Dang (talk) 08:38, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

@P. ĐĂNG: This is a help page for the English Wikipedia. Templates are local. The Vietnamese Wikipedia does not and cannot use Template:Infobox artist. It uses vi:Bản mẫu:Thông tin nghệ sĩ which has different code. I don't know Vietnamese but the template uses a subtemplate vi:Bản mẫu:Thông tin nghệ sĩ/nguồn which pulls the gender from the Wikidata item (Q59847373). Look for a Wikidata link in the menus on article pages. The template doesn't appear to have an option to override or omit a gender at Wikidata but you can change it at Wikidata. PrimeHunter (talk) 09:05, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter Oh i get it. I have edited and will help Vietnamese Wikipedia fix some of the pages with this error. Thanks a lot. Have a good day!!. Phong Dang (talk) 09:15, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

Where Might I Ask For Writing Help?

This could be a simple query to answer, but I'm not sure where best to look or ask for this. I desire to revisit the 1924 United States presidential election that I had worked out in the far past, and I can dig up plenty of information rather easily with key points, but I have not been effectively able to formulate that information into something proper for the article. Is there are place where I can find prospective writers for said article? In the past I would inquire WikiProject United States presidential elections, but that is largely dead now it seems. --Ariostos (talk) 16:42, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

User:Ariostos, indeed it can be difficult anymore to find WikiProjects that still engage many active editors. Sometimes you can try "one level up" (which in this case might be Wikipedia:WikiProject United States or Wikipedia:WikiProject Elections and Referendums or Wikipedia:WikiProject History).

Another editor here may have a better suggestion, but since there are multiple options for WikiProjects to attempt to engage, it might be best just to start a topic at Talk:1924 United States presidential election, list your sources and/or which points in the article you'd be able to elaborate on with the assistance of a willing collaborator, and leave a brief notification linking that thread on the talk pages of the WikiProjects (including the dead one you listed; it still has 72 page watchers, although who knows how many are still active in the space). You could also directly ping to the discussion recent active contributors to 1924 United States presidential election, and see if any of them are interested in expanding the article. There appear to be at least two editors who have made content edits to that article during 2023.

A further option could be to add to the article any specific key points you have sources for that feel most important to address without worrying about organising them particularly well. You could add relevant quotes from your sources into the citation templates so others can restructure, reorganise, or reword them later without your assistance. This might reduce the barrier to entry for anyone who feels more attuned with the skill of organising information and takes an interest to the article.

Again, I'm hoping someone has a better suggestion of a venue or process to help with your question. My content work is also in niche historical areas, I struggle with organising information coherently, and I usually work on articles without significant simultaneous collaboration, so I'm largely in the same boat as you when it comes to expanding articles. Sometimes I just leave an intent on the rear heating element for a few months until I get around to it. All the best, Folly Mox (talk) 17:34, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

August 24

Force subst

Is there a template or module that forces you to subst a template? Thanks in advance FatalFit | ✉ | ✓  04:37, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

Forces? No. But {{require substitution}} will complain loudly at you if you don't. See, for example, Template:Rfd top for what it looks like. —Cryptic 06:17, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

Or use {{subst only|auto=yes}} to have AnomieBOT substitute all uses. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 14:39, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

Problem with display of local map in the infobox

This request concerns the local map in the infobox for Lidsdale. The local map is currently displaying an area of sea off the coast of West Africa (probably just zero degrees latitude and zero degrees longitude), instead of the area expected from the coordinates (33°23'24"S, 150°5'5"E). The article is correctly linked from Wikidata item Q31405419, and in the page information for the article the relevant Wikidata item is (as expected) Q31405419. I have looked at very similar articles, like Wallerawang, in which the local map is being correctly displayed, and I cannot see anything yet that seems different in the set up for Lidsdale. However, Lidsdale's local map is not showing the correct local area, even though its location map seems to be fine. If anyone could point me in the right direction on this problem, I would appreciate that greatly. Thanks.TrimmerinWiki (talk) 06:06, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

I had a go at this, looked at all the documentation, tried some tries, and couldn't make any headway. Confirmed mapframe. I see you've already experimented with altering the coordinates on Wikidata by one second. Module talk:Australian place map is a redlink, but Template talk:Infobox Australian place isn't. That might be the next port of call. Hopefully someone there will have a better idea. Folly Mox (talk) 07:49, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

@TrimmerinWiki: The problem may be that https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/6044563 (Lidsdale) doesn't have a wikidata field to retrieve coordinates from. For comparison, https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/6056455 (Wallerawang) says wikidata Q7963054. I don't contribute to OpenStreetMap. Our own article Lidsdale is connected to Lidsdale (Q31405419) which has the coordinates but that may not be enough. The Wikidata entry links to the OpenStreetMap entry but there is no link the opposite way. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:46, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter:Thank you. Your suggestion, that the issue is at the openstreetmap end, certainly makes very good sense. I have not had anything to do with openstreetmap (yet), but that seems to be the next stop.TrimmerinWiki (talk) 23:38, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter:@Folly Mox:I tried the suggestion from PrimeHunter. That was to add the Wikidata item at https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/6056455 , which I did as a first time editor of OpenStreetMaps. Alas, the local map is still not displaying, in the infobox, but now, if I click on that local map box (to display the local map in full screen), voila the correct map is displayed (full screen). So, there is still something amiss, but definitely progress has been made. Any further suggestions would be welcomed.TrimmerinWiki (talk) 07:59, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

@TrimmerinWiki: The local map displays for me without having to click it. Try to bypass your cache on the article. PrimeHunter (talk) 08:12, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter:@Folly Mox: Keeping the change mentioned above in place, I finally got it to work by adding the field 'Local Map Wikidata Item ID' to the infobox in Lidsdale and setting it to Q31405419. (I had tried this before, but in the absence of the Wikidata item ID in OpenStreetMaps, it previously did nothing.) Now, the local map is appearing in the infobox. I think what I have done, in this second change, really should not have been necessary (compare to the infobox for Wallerawang, which does not use 'Local Map Wikidata Item ID' but still displays the local map correctly). So, there is probably still something a little wrong, but the local map now works, even if possibly just by 'brute force'. Thanks for coming to my aid, much appreciated. TrimmerinWiki (talk) 08:30, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

@TrimmerinWiki: It worked for me before your edit and the former version [1] still works for me. I think this was a cache issue. Note the bypass your cache instructions about holding down Ctrl or Shift. PrimeHunter (talk) 08:34, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter:@Folly Mox: Just saw comment from PrimeHunter at 08:12, 25 August 2023, above. Yes, you are right! I guess making a new revision of the article, for any reason, also has the effect of renewing the cache. I just reverted the last change, by removing the field 'Local Map Wikidata Item ID' in the infobox in Lidsdale and, true enough, I can still see the local map. Thanks again! I feel better now that the problem is 100% fixed, and that I have learned something useful from the exercise.TrimmerinWiki (talk) 08:41, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

T.V.Gopalakrishnan

The Wikepedia page on the above mentioned person is wrong. Tab: About: Children. G.Vishwanath - (1964-12023) G. Ramanath Aparna Raghavan

The person Devie Neithiyar does not exist. Can you please correct this on the page as I cannot access it?

Thank you Aparna Raghavan Bijuanna (talk) 06:28, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

Bijuanna, you're asking about the article T. V. Gopalakrishnan. You can make a suggestion for this page on Talk:T. V. Gopalakrishnan. Be sure to supply reliable sources for what you say. The article T. V. Gopalakrishnan does not mention "Devie Neithiyar" and I don't understand what you're saying about this person (or non-person). -- Hoary (talk) 06:55, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for your reply. In children it says : Devie Neithyar- she is not his daughter. Yhis should be updated! I am his daughter! thanks Aparna Bijuanna (talk) 08:55, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

For additional comment, please edit this existing section, instead of creating additional sections for every comment. Note that we can't just take your word that you are this person's daughter, it needs to be documented somewhere verifiable.

Please also read conflict of interest. 331dot (talk) 09:09, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

Do you want my passport copy? How can you add a person without verification and ask the the real daughter a verification. Unbelievable. Bijuanna (talk) 09:14, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

Do not give copies of identity documents to anyone. I personally believe you are who you say you are, but to put this in an article it needs to be documented somewhere in a reliable source. If the current information is incorrect and unsourced, it can be removed. 331dot (talk) 09:18, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

Yes I can confirm that the current information is incorrect and unsourced, I can confirm - so please remove the name Devie Neithiyar from children topic.

Thank you very much

Aparna Bijuanna (talk) 09:26, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

I don't see anywhere in T. V. Gopalakrishnan where it discusses his children, incorrectly or otherwise. 331dot (talk) 09:30, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

I didn't see this either. Bijuanna, are you sure you're asking about English-language Wikipedia (and not Wikipedia in some other language, or some other website that's a derivative of Wikipedia)? -- Hoary (talk) 10:10, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

I guess the op is talking about Google's search result here [2] Wikipedia has no control over this, you would have to approach Google about any incorrect information. Theroadislong (talk) 10:56, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

But the "children" part of that panel lists Aparna (who I think is the OP), not Devie Neithyar. --Viennese Waltz 11:40, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

Thank you - how can I change that? Bijuanna (talk) 12:05, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

Unfortunately that panel is managed by Google, not Wikipedia. There is a little grey Feedback button in the bottom right corner of the panel, you can click that to send feedback directly to Google who may chose to update it. Wikipedia has no control over the contents of that panel, sorry. Qcne (talk) 12:10, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

I already complained to Google and they gave me your helpdesk! Unbelievable that i am running from one door to another a basic mistake of some ramdom person mentioned as my sibliy! Can we find out who gave this wierd info? Please see message from Google below: Bijuanna (talk) 12:58, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

Message from Google:

Hello,

Thank you for contacting us.

As our team supports queries only about knowledge panels. Unfortunately, we cannot answer your questions about “Wikipedia”. Please contact Wikipedia Help Center for further assistance.

Please let us know if you have questions about the Google knowledge panel. We will be glad to assist you.

Regards,

Rishitha

Google knowledge panel support team Bijuanna (talk) 12:59, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

I'm sorry Google has told you to come to our Help Desk. Please remember we all unpaid volunteers here at Wikipedia.

On the Google Knowledge Panel I cannot actually see where it mentions that his child is "Devie Neithiyar". I do not see this person anywhere on that panel. On my screen it shows "Aparna Raghavan". If you Google both phrases together, you can see that a website called 'EverybodyWiki' states she is the foster daughter of Gopalakrishnan. I wonder if the Google Knowledge Panel is pulling that information from that website? 'EverybodyWiki' has no connection to Wikipedia. I'm sorry we cannot be of any further assistance. Qcne (talk) 13:06, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

To Bijuanna: perhaps you could give a link or a screenshot that shows where you are seeing Devie Neithiyar listed as one of his children? None of us here can see it. --Viennese Waltz 13:14, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

Article on forthcoming Rolling Stones album

Hackney Diamonds was created yesterday, following the discovery of a teaser ad in a London newspaper. The ad is widely believed to refer to a forthcoming Rolling Stones album. Regarding the artwork, the article states that it was posted on the band's social media profiles, but this is not correct. It was actually posted inadvertently on the design agency's website, and has since been taken down. So I'm not sure it's OK to have this artwork in the article. Nothing official has yet been announced by the band or their management concerning this album. By the way, I'm well aware that the correct place to discuss these issues would be the article's talk page, but by posting here I'm hoping to reach a wider audience. Courtesy ping to User:Koavf, who created the article. --Viennese Waltz 09:19, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

If you want to reach a wider audience than just the talk page, you may make a Request for Comment on the talk page(instead of just writing there). 331dot (talk) 09:21, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, I wasn't aware of that process and it looks useful. However, as it says there, "RfCs are time consuming, and editor time is valuable." I don't have a horse in this race, I was just drawing attention to the issue in case anyone else feels strongly enough to do something about it. --Viennese Waltz 11:45, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

@Viennese Waltz: If you want a more targeted noticeboard likely to receive more response, and from users with more interest in the matter WP:MCQ is a noticeboard exactly designed for questions regarding media at Wikipedia. You'll likely get better responses (and more participation) there than here. --Jayron32 12:40, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, that indeed looks like the most useful board. I'll post the query there. --Viennese Waltz 13:12, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

Donation

I would like to donate but your payment portal does not include my bank (SBI) for bank transfers. Kindly look into this matter. 14.139.185.183 (talk) 11:42, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

Hi IP editor. Unfortunately this is the Wikipedia Help Desk - we don't have anything to do with the donation campaigns run by the Wikimedia Foundation. Please email donate@wikimedia.org who may be able to help. Qcne (talk) 12:08, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

Aldo, Giovanni & Giacomo

On this page, have I added the honours in the right place? Should they be inserted before the "See also" paragraph? JackkBrown (talk) 12:23, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

Hi @JackkBrown. The Honours section is in the right place, but I think the Miscellaneous section can be mostly deleted as it just contains trivial biographical information. Feel free to do that if you'd like! Qcne (talk) 12:30, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

@Qcne: I added the template "One source", since the page currently has 1 reference. JackkBrown (talk) 15:41, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

Link to 1911 Britannica

I'm looking at this edit and I cannot see what it's trying to achieve. Following the link in the footnote takes me to Encyclopaedia Britannica. Not a specific page of it that might source the information in the preceding sentence about Succession Duty, but the entire eleventh edition. Is this edit correct and if so why/how? Is it good faith but somehow incomplete or malformed? Or just vandalistic? Sorry to bring it here but I've no idea how to respond to it. AndyJones (talk) 12:31, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

When you asked the person who did it about the edit, what did they say? --Jayron32 12:37, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

AndyJones, the intended source is probably wikisource:1911 Encyclopædia Britannica/Succession Duty, there is a special template for the 1911 Encyclopædia Britannica at Template:Cite EB1911. TSventon (talk) 16:00, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

The approval to use WW2 Maps in my New Book

In Wikipedia and Operation Retribution 1942 there is a map which details the Straight of Sicily and is by Norman Einstein. My book is all about the battles fought in the Western Desert in November 1942 to May 1943 and Operation Retribution was key to the capture of 250,000 Axis troops and stopped them evacuating to Sicily and then Europe. I am trying to obtain consent from the originator of the map to allow me to use it in my new book. Thank you Philip Lamb - Author PhilipWJL (talk) 14:34, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

Hi @PhilipWJL. Is this the image you mean? As you can see from that link, it has been released under the Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 3.0 Unported licence. You can therefore reuse it in your book with the appropriate attribution, keeping the license the same. Qcne (talk) 14:44, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for your swift response to my enquiry. Yes, this is the map I would like to use

in my New Book 'The Tunisian Campaign'. The reason for the request is due to the fact that most publishers are very wary regarding copyright and they need to have ponsented rpoof that this isn't an issue.

Many thank for your proof of consent. Philip Lamb 82.39.186.68 (talk) 14:58, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

Good luck with your book! :) Qcne (talk) 14:59, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

Problem in article

In the article Logarithm, I'm getting a lot of red messages, e.g. " Failed to parse (SVG (MathML can be enabled via browser plugin): Invalid response ("Math extension cannot connect to Restbase.") from server "http://localhost:6011/en.wikipedia.org/v1/":): {\displaystyle \log_b(xy) = \log_b x + \log_b y,} " I tried Firefox, Crome, and Edge - they all have the problem. Is there something I need to install? Bubba73 ^{You talkin' to me?} 15:19, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

@Bubba73 It is rendering OK on my standard Windows/Edge browser. You probably need expert advice from WP:VPT folk. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:29, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

Works fine for me with Firefox. Maybe this helps: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Math#Viewing_math. -- Random person no 362478479 (talk) 18:56, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

Apparently you're not the only one who has run into this recently. See: Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#Math_parsing_error -- Random person no 362478479 (talk) 19:00, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

Resolved

Well, now 3+ hours later, it is working. Bubba73 ^{You talkin' to me?} 19:15, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

The International Centre for Birds of Prey

Hello, I have just been informed that someone calling themselves Saker 99 has put information on the page about ICBP. Not only is the information an absolute lie, but is it libelous as well. The Charities commisson is not looking at the ICBP, the Centre did not close because of that. Jemima Parry Jones did not illegally import any birds, far from it she appeared in court as an expert witness against the person who did import them. I am Jemima Parry-Jones and I have always supported Wikipedia, but no longer I am afraid. How you can let this sort of libal happen amazes me Aquila 1949 (talk) 15:25, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

Hello @Aquila 1949.

Wikipedia is built on the foundational principal that anyone can edit. Unfortunately this does mean that vandalism and incorrect information can slip through. We do have tens of millions of articles, with hundreds of thousands of edits per day, and a limited number of volunteer editors.

I will note the information you believe to be incorrect was completely unsourced, which is not permitted on Wikipedia - but also the information you added to replace it was also completely unsourced, so also not permitted. Your edits have been reverted to the last clean version of the article, and the article no longer has any unsourced content. Qcne (talk) 15:32, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

Just to add, I have warned the user in question who added the unsourced content. Qcne (talk) 15:34, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

For the sake of accuracy: {{NUMBEROFARTICLES}} → 6,929,122 so tens of millions of articles is somewhat of an exaggeration.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 15:45, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

Well, there is the stuff in the lead which is lead-only. Also, the only ref is the org itself. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:35, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

Noting that the Jemima Parry-Jones article also is pretty awful from the WP-POV. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:46, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

@Aquila 1949: Another user already removed that unreferenced information, so saying [h]ow [we] can let this sort of libal [sic] happen is rhetorically incorrect. If you are, as you claim, Parry-Jones, you are strongly discouraged from editing the article directly and instead encouraged to post edit requests on the article's talk page, not to mention disclose your conflict of interest with the article.. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 15:34, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia is an open wiki, every new edit is by default "allowed". However, what one person edits, another person can edit again. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:39, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

Be aware that actual libelious content is removed when identified, see WP:LIBEL for more information. Not everything that is incorrect is libelous, though. 331dot (talk) 19:19, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

Segregate UPE/COI

What does Segregate UPE/COI abbreviation stands for? Can you link me to the policy regarding that? Juandev (talk) 17:05, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

UPE is Undeclared Paid Editing. COI is Conflict of Interest. What is intended by "segregate" may depend on the context. Where did you see this? ColinFine (talk) 17:11, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

@Juandev: Enter wp: in front of a Wikipedia term in the search box to look for the meaning: WP:UPE and WP:COI. See User:Onel5969/Clovermoss/NPP#Conflicts of interest and paid editors for a post by a user (possibly the only one) specifically using the expression "Segregate UPE/COI". PrimeHunter (talk) 17:15, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

wiki page link draft_theworklabs to theworklabs need to be changed

wiki page link draft_theworklabs to theworklabs need to be changed Bheemaiahnn (talk) 19:05, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

Bheemaiahnn, Draft:Theworklabs is a draft, intended for incubation of articles not yet ready for public viewing. Wait until the draft is accepted, at which point the reviewer will move it to Theworklabs, a title in mainspace. If the reviewer declines they will leave feedback on how to improve the article to make it suitable for mainspace. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 19:27, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

About the same time I posted the above comment, you copy pasted the contents of Draft:Theworklabs into Theworklabs. By doing so, you indicate that you don't want to participate in Articles for Creation, which is fine but not recommended. I have marked it for speedy deletion under criterion G11, since I thought it was advertising the company. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 19:30, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

They've been blocked. I note that their talk page history seems to contain blatant copyright violations (of this source). 199.208.172.35 (talk) 19:53, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

Yes, indeffed as WP:NOTHERE. I was on to the copyvio too, but food became ready and I took a break – talk-page history now revdeleted. Thanks, all round, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 20:09, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

How to put an image on a page?

How do i imbed images? I want an image of a whiptail lizard on my user page. HumorousLizard2914 (talk) 22:40, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

@HumorousLizard2914: You can find the answer to your question at Help:Images. Ks0stm ^{(T•C•G•E)} 22:50, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

August 25

Wiki page deleted, how to reinstate?

We realised that the Wiki page for our school has been deleted, and we were not alerted about the deletion.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_of_the_Arts,_Singapore

Could we find out why it was deleted and, is there a way to reinstate the page? Sotaocc (talk) 00:43, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

@Sotaocc: The reason given on that page is that the article was deleted due to copyright problems, so there will be no way to get it back in its previous form. You can recreate it, if you avoid the copyright problem. Check out WP:YFA on how to get started. Also, because you are using "we" and "our", remember that an account must only be used by one person and it cannot be shared. RudolfRed (talk) 00:47, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

@Sotaocc, if you intend to do any editing (such as recreating the article), please review Wikipedia's guideline on editing with a conflict of interest: WP:COI. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 13:54, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

Can people remove things that they do not want on their bio?

I am one of your donors when asked because I use your site all the time. Usually there is a mention of any controversy, however small and all new news seems to appear almost instantly. That does not now seem to be the case with Rachel Zeglar and I see so many articles about what she has said over the last few years, because of the Snow White controversy. Have things been added and removed? This is not the first time she has done things, including trolling others.

Thanks,

David Thompson DCTB (talk) 01:30, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

@dctb:

for your header question, what you describe is forbidden.

and what's the "snow white controversy"? ltbdl (talk) 01:53, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

Google her name and Snow White. Just her name will probably be enough. Dozens of internet commentators have been making content about it. The other things come up too. DCTB (talk) 02:06, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

Hi DCTB. All content added to Wikipedia articles is required to meet relevant policies and guidelines, or it may be removed at any time. The policy regarding articles about living person can be found at Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons. This policy tends to be quite strict in many areas and demands a higher degree of reliable sourcing when it comes to content (particularly contentious content) about the article's subject. Any content questionably or otherwise unreliably sourced (as defined by Wikipedia or outright defamatory can be removed by anyone (including the subjects of articles) asap. When there are disagreements about such content, it is expected that it be discussed on the article's talk page or at an appropriate noticeboard (like here) so that it can be assessed by others and determine whether it's OK to include in the article. In principle, neither the subjects of articles nor anyone representing them (claiming to represent them) do not have any final editorial control over what's written about them on Wikipedia. In fact, they are pretty much highly discouraged from directly editing or creating any content about themselves on Wikipedia, except in certain specific situations. They are instead encouraged to seek assistance from other members of the Wikipedia community as explained here. Efforts are made to try and help them as much as possible, but only as far as is permitted under Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Finally, you need to be very careful about accusing others of inappropriate editing unless you are clearly able to provide proof of your accustaions. It's better to assume good faith at first until at least there's a very good Wikipedia policy based reason for no longer doing so. For reference, content is added to and removed from Wikipedia articles all of the time, but this doesn't mean either is being done by the subject's of articles or someone representing them. The best thing to do when content you might've added tp an article is removed is to first try and understand why it was removed. Often the user removing the content has left an edit summary explaining why, and such edit summaries often include links to relevant Wikipedia policies or guidelines that provide further explanation. If after even after reading such edit summaries or policy/guideline pages you still don't understand or agree with the removal, then you can start a discussion about it on the article's corresponding talk page and seek further clarification. What you absolutely don't want to do is continue to try and force the content into the article after it has been removed (except in certain specific cases) because that can lead to edit warring, which in turn can lead to accounts being blocked. You need to particularly careful with respect to content about living persons because they tends to be very little tolerance for anything resembling edit warring with respect to such content. Finally, while it's great that you've donated to Wikipedia, please understand that doing so doesn't give you any special or additional editing priviledges. Your edits are also going to be expected to comply with relevant Wikipedia policies and guidelines, and they may be reverted when they don't. -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:08, 25 August 2023 (UTC); [Note: Post editted by Marchjuly to change "What you absolutely do want to do" to "What you absolutely don't want to do". -- 08:36, 25 August 2023 (UTC)]

I think this post is missing the word "not"("What you absolutely want to do is continue to try and force the content into the article"). 331dot (talk) 08:04, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

Thank you so much for catching that error. I've corrected that part of my post accordingly. -- Marchjuly (talk) 08:36, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

Just going to add that Rachel Zegler was protected by a Wikipedia administrator named El C about a week ago due to some serious disruption caused by sockpuppetry. One the edits made that led to article's protection was so problematic that needed to be removed from public view. So, if by chance, you (i.e. DCTB) were involved in any of that, I suggest you quit while you're ahead because continuing to do such things will certainly lead to more reversions and your account eventually being blocked. If, however, you had nothing to with any of that and just feel the controversy is something that should be covered in the article, I suggest you be WP:CAUTIOUS and first carefully read through WP:BLP, and only then start a neutrally worded discussion explaining your position at Talk:Rachel Zegler. You can propose what content you think should be added and explain how it can be done in accordance with relevant Wikipedia policies and guidelines. Be advised, though, that Wikipedia's policy on content related to living persons applies to all Wikipedia pages; so, you need to make sure whatever your post on the talk page doesn't violate said policy with respect to subject or any other living persons. You should also focus on the content you feel should be added and avoid making any accustations or claims about other Wikipedia users. -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:22, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

DCTB, venomous hatred will never be allowed in a Wikipedia biography. Cullen328 (talk) 18:20, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

Can I find a person who can edit a section for me, to include my theories about Artificial Intelligence?

Is there a service who knows how to write an entry and do so respecting the policies and rules of the wite? Chuck (talk) 02:59, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

Unless your theories have been subject to significant independent commentary in relevant published reliable sources, they will have no place on Wikipedia. AndyTheGrump (talk) 03:08, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

Hi Generalp2. To help clarify what AndyTheGrump posted above, you should take a look Wikipedia:No original research. In addition, although you might find someone willing to try and create an article for you for payment, be advised that such persons aren't affiliated with Wikipedia in any way. Wikipedia is pretty much a WP:VOLUNTEER service and everyone edits Wikipedia is subject to the same policies and guidelines. Moreover, even if such an article were to be created, you would have pretty much zero editorial control over it as explained in Wikipedia:Ownership of content. For reference, paid-editing isn't expressly prohibitted by the Wikimedia Foundation per se, but there are lots of restrictions placed upon it in addition to those that volunteer editors have to deal with. Some who offer their services for a fee do make every attempt to do things in accordance with relevant Wikipedia policies and are upfront about the limitations placed upon them, but they're so many others whose main concern is parting you from your money. So, beware of those whose promises seem to be too good to be true because they either are knowingly deceiving you or have very little or no idea as to how Wikipedia works. In either case, any problems you might find yourself having with such people will be between you and them. The Wikimedia Foundations won't step in to try and resolve things. -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:51, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

Input energy

what is the input energy for stove, torch, radio 41.116.85.43 (talk) 05:00, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

please ask knowledge questions at the reference desks. ltbdl (talk) 05:02, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

Template tries to use a nonexistent file

I'm having a problem where the 'Routelist row' template automatically tries to use the file 'Florida_Toll_686A.svg' (which doesn't exist). Is there any way to force it to use the file 'Florida_Toll_686A.png' instead? Andumé (talk) 05:31, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

@I Am Andumé: Please link pages you want help with. I don't know whether {{Routelist row}} can display a png file but it has a noshield option. PrimeHunter (talk) 08:36, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply. I guess I'll have to either use the noshield option or find and upload a .svg image. Andumé (talk) 16:39, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

CBD Gummies

Is CDB Gummies is legal in USA Brijeshrb (talk) 07:05, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

Sorry, can't help. It says on top: "This page is only for questions about using Wikipedia, not for general knowledge questions." -- Hoary (talk) 07:56, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

Suggest that you use your preferred search engine to learn more about the legal status of cannabis or CBD in the US. 331dot (talk) 08:00, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

The fact of the matter is that cannabis regulation in the US is effectively on a state by state basis, so what is completely legal in California, Oregon and Oregon may be a felony offense in Mississippi, South Carolina and Louisiana. Search for the applicable laws in your specific state. Cullen328 (talk) 08:51, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

Promotional-appearing edits to Travelodge (British company)

Please can an editor with rollback permissions (I think that’s what would be needed? Not entirely sure though [edit: it appears I may have been mistaken]) restore this revision on the article for Travelodge (British company)? Edits introduced since appear to be promotional and reference primary sources. (I have warned the editor in question on their talk, but am unable to restore the old revision myself.)

Thanks in advance, and apologies if this is the wrong place for this request! A smart kitten (talk) 11:29, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

I've removed the promotional gumph about charity work, it was badly formatted as well. I've not touched the factual changes preceding that, someone with access to an independant up-to-date source needs to check it. Martin of Sheffield (talk) 11:46, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

Confusing copyright issue re: ALS article

I’m doing a GA review of the ALS page and I’m not sure what I’m looking at and have no idea what to do about it. This [3] appears to be backwards copyvio as it’s a near perfect match for the oldest ALS revisions (2006 wiki v 2017 NIH 97.1% [4]). If that was the end of it I’d slap a {{subst:backwards copy}} on there and get back to my review, except that archived version is cited repeatedly by the current version in a manner inconsistent with copyvio.[5]

Just to make matters more confusing, the article was tagged,[6] and then untagged, as copyvio from somewhere else entirely in 2006, and I can’t figure out why it was untagged. The oldest version of that[7] matches the current version substantially[8] and matched the tagged version.[9]

Can someone with an eye for copyright tell me what I’m supposed to do here? Rewriting it is well beyond my abilities, and I’m not comfortable tagging it as copyvio when it appears to have already been cleared and/or backwards copyvio. ~ Argenti Aertheri^(Chat?) 11:44, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

Question with talk page

i think this my first time using the help desk but how do i switch from source editing to visual editing on my talk page? it won't let me change it :( Lolkikmoddi (message me!) 13:27, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

@Lolkikmoddi: VisualEditor is poorly suited to discussions and interface links to it are omitted in talk namespaces. You can use it by clicking the normal source edit tab and then manually change action=edit to veaction=edit in the url. You can also install User:Novem Linguae/Scripts/VisualEditorEverywhere. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:49, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

New entry declined, is it because of insufficient footnotes?

hi there! I just submitted my first-ever new Wikipedia entry and it got declined. It's this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Chris_Molanphy I carefully read the reasons for the decline and I guess I'm still puzzled. The subject of my article has been cited by many reliable secondary sources. Can you offer advice please? Thank you! MarcdePezenas (talk) 13:37, 25 August 2023 (UTC)MarcdePezenas (talk) 13:35, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

Your article does absolutely nothing to indicate that Molanphy meets Wikipedia:Notability (people) guidelines. That requires an article based around significant coverage in secondary published reliable sources. Find the sources. Use them for article content. Cite them. AndyTheGrump (talk) 13:46, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

@MarcdePezenas, the basic problem is that you've cited sources by Chris Molanphy. You need to summarize and cite sources about Chris Molanphy - ones written by folks with no connection to him. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 13:49, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

oh, thank you for the speedy response, Andy! If I may ask for a clarification, can these sources be interviews with Molanphy by people unaffiliated with him? For example, if he's been interviewed by a tv or radio show about his career, by someone with no connection to him, would this qualify? Like this for example: https://writeaboutnowmedia.com/podcast/2020/5/24/chris-molanphy-on-what-makes-a-song-a-smash-hit Thanks in advance! MarcdePezenas (talk) 14:11, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

No, interviews are NOT reliable independent sources so do not contribute to notability. Theroadislong (talk) 14:13, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

@MarcdePezenas, I'd recommend a careful reading of WP:42. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 14:15, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

One way to look at it, MarcdePezenas, is that Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. ColinFine (talk) 15:48, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

Can another editor publish a draft article of an IP without asking?

Hi. My query is: can an editor publish a draft article created by another IP into an article, without asking for that IP's approval?

(Since IPs cant publish an article in the first place, they can only draft it) So if another editor decides to publish that draft as an article (without even asking for IP's approval), can that editor publish that page? Shadowwarrior8 (talk) 15:24, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

Technically, yes, but it would be just as rude as publishing an account holder's draft without asking. Why not ask, @Shadowwarrior8? 199.208.172.35 (talk) 15:39, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

Technically, the draft space is as collaborative as the mainspace, so the same rules apply, you can move, edit or rename a draft article, but the same rules around consensus apply. The only difference is that we do allow draft creators to move/nominate to AfC without issue (although, we still kind of have a consensus based approach when things are moved back to draft, or denied at AfC). There's really no reason to not at least communicate with a draft creator. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:45, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

@Lee Vilenski An editor communicated, but what if:

i) the draft creator IP took too long of a time to respond? (suppose the IP didnt respond within a day)

ii) he just ignored the message?

(sometimes certain prominent events, incidents, etc. maybe happening on the ground) Shadowwarrior8 (talk) 16:16, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

Of course it's more difficult to communicate with IPs, since we may be on a different address tomorrow than we are today, but @Shadowwarrior8 I would recommend leaving a note on both their latest talk page and on the talk page of the draft itself, then giving it at least a day. If it's Very Important Breaking News (despite Wikipedia having WP:NODEADLINES), consider simply making your own draft, using whatever sources you find, and publishing that. It's still considered impolite by some, but them's the breaks. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 16:25, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

A day is much too short a time. Not everyone has the time or access opportunities to use the internet every day, and if they have they may want to do other things than work on Wikipedia: consider that we wait for 6 months of no activity on a Draft before (maybe) deleting it as abandoned. Generally I would consider a week to be a minimum reasonable period to wait for a response. Remember, WP:There is no deadline. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 51.198.140.169 (talk) 20:18, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

How do I become a contributor and or editor of articles?

I wish to do so, how may I proceed? The specific page is Biogeography, I wish to contribute an article, a map, dedicated to the that subject and the Ocean. If your current people wish to do so themselves, National Geographic March 1969 pgs 396-397 have the map in question, which will be a good starting point and or continuation for the subject. GabrielDDavis (talk) 21:47, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

Hello, GabrielDDavis, and welcome to Wikipedia. You become an editor and contributor by editing and contributing.

My advice is to start by finding some articles in an area of interest to you, (for example, soome of the articles in category:Biogeography) and making small improvements to them; always remembering that every single piece of information you add to an article should be verifiable from a reliable published source|. Please see Help:Introduction to get started.

It is likely that some of your edits will get reverted, either because you are not yet familiar with some Wikipedia policy, or because somebody disagrees that the edit is appropriate: when this happens, don't panic! This is the normal way that collaboration works here, and you are welcome to open a discussion with the editor who reverted you, either to ask for clarification or to argue your case for the change (see WP:BRD).

When you have spent some time getting familiar with how Wikipedia works, then is the time to consider creating a new article: read your first article.

Note that the subject of the article must meet Wikipedia's criteria for notability, which says that enough has been reliably published about that subject to ground an article. If you are proposing an article about a particular map, then you need to find indpendent sources that discuss that map; but I suspect that that is not what you meant. It may be more appropriate to add information to existing articles such as Biogeography. ColinFine (talk) 22:10, 25 August 2023 (UTC)