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WP:BLP of an actor, not properly sourced as having any strong claim to passing WP:NACTOR. As always, actors are not "inherently" notable just because they exist, and have to be shown to pass WP:GNG on their sourceability -- but this, as written, is sourced to a directory entry, a production photograph and a glancing namecheck of his existence, which is not enough.
It was also formerly a lot longer and listed a lot more (supporting) roles, but none of that content was sourced either, with the result that it recently got restubbed down to this -- but even just restoring the old content wouldn't actually fix the problem, because an actor's notability resides in his sourcing and not just in the ability to list roles in and of itself.
Nothing here is "inherently" notable enough to exempt him from having to be referenced considerably better than this. Bearcat (talk) 02:50, 24 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Actors and filmmakers and United States of America. Bearcat (talk) 02:50, 24 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Really? You nominated Mike Franks. Passes both NACTOR (which by itself is sufficiant if properly verified) and GNG. I've updated the page. duffbeerforme (talk) 02:51, 25 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

NACTOR is not passed by listing roles, it's passed by the article showing a GNG-worthy volume of media coverage about him and the roles, and no role in any film is ever so "inherently" notable as to exempt its actor from having to be sourced properly. Bearcat (talk) 15:53, 25 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Weak keep Other than the the sources in the article, I'm seeing slashfilm.com, another one, TheThings, a paragraph in this from Hollywood Reporter, Express, Hello, and a lot more covering his leaving NCIS and his role in I Know What You Did Last Summer. Not the best sources, but add up to notability in my eyes. Rusalkii (talk) 21:30, 26 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:49, 31 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete I wouldn't call the Mike Franks role on NCIS substantial, he comes out maybe once a season for an episode or two. Not sure the rest of the roles establish notability either. Bit parts. Oaktree b (talk) 13:43, 31 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The above exceptionally lazy !vote seems to have mixed up substantial and significant and has not bothered looking a any parts not mentioned here. Such as lead roles in notable films. It also totally ignores the prime claims from keep comments, the available coverage. duffbeerforme (talk) 10:29, 2 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not familiar with his other works and sources used in the article are a photo and a movie list from the NYT, so they don't help notability. Unfamiliar isn't lazy I'm afraid. Oaktree b (talk) 14:34, 7 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: It's more important to evaluate Rusalkii's sources and those in the article than what you think of him as an actor and the roles he's had. Does he meet NACTOR? Right now, there is no consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:33, 7 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It he's the lead character in the "What You Did Last Summer" movies, I suppose it's notable... Unsure at this point. The sources talk about the character and the movies. Oaktree b (talk) 14:36, 7 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per WP:NACTOR, part of the WP:BIO SNG, meaning GNG is not required. Meets this SNG with significant roles in Prison Break, I Know What You Did Last Summer, I Still Know What You Did Last Summer, NCIS. —siro χ o 06:57, 7 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

NACTOR does not exempt a person from having to pass GNG — the question of whether the roles are even significant enough to satisfy NACTOR inherently requires said roles to be supported by GNG-worthy sourcing telling us the roles were significant, so NACTOR can never be passed by a person who isn't simultaneously passing GNG. Bearcat (talk) 04:44, 12 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

expanding on keep opinion, significant roles for NACTOR include roles on TV in NCIS and Prison Break and in films I Know What You Did Last Summer, I Still Know What You Did Last Summer White Lightnin', A Christmas Snow and Compound Fracture. duffbeerforme (talk) 03:05, 8 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]