Talk:Three Percenters

This is the talk page for discussing improvements to the Three Percenters article.
This is not a forum for general discussion of the article's subject.

Put new text under old text. Click here to start a new topic.
New to Wikipedia? Welcome! Learn to edit; get help.

Article policies

Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL

Archives: 1: 3 months

This article has not yet been rated on Wikipedia's content assessment scale.
It is of interest to the following WikiProjects:

Military history: North America / United States / Post-Cold War

This article is within the scope of the Military history WikiProject. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the project and see a list of open tasks. To use this banner, please see the full instructions.Military historyWikipedia:WikiProject Military historyTemplate:WikiProject Military historymilitary history

This article has been checked against the following criteria for B-class status:
Referencing and citation: criterion not met Coverage and accuracy: criterion not met Structure: criterion met Grammar and style: criterion met Supporting materials: criterion met

Associated task forces:
/
	North American military history task force
	United States military history task force
	Post-Cold War task force

Please add the quality rating to the {{WikiProject banner shell}} template instead of this project banner. See WP:PIQA for details.

United States Low‑importance

	United States portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject United States, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of topics relating to the United States of America on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the ongoing discussions. Template Usage Articles Requested! Become a Member Project Talk Alerts United StatesWikipedia:WikiProject United StatesTemplate:WikiProject United StatesUnited States
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

Please add the quality rating to the {{WikiProject banner shell}} template instead of this project banner. See WP:PIQA for details.

Law Enforcement Low‑importance

	Law portal This article is within the scope of the WikiProject Law Enforcement. Please Join, Create, and Assess.Law EnforcementWikipedia:WikiProject Law EnforcementTemplate:WikiProject Law EnforcementLaw enforcement
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the importance scale.

Please add the quality rating to the {{WikiProject banner shell}} template instead of this project banner. See WP:PIQA for details.

Organizations Low‑importance

	This article is within the scope of WikiProject Organizations, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Organizations on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.OrganizationsWikipedia:WikiProject OrganizationsTemplate:WikiProject Organizationsorganization
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

Please add the quality rating to the {{WikiProject banner shell}} template instead of this project banner. See WP:PIQA for details.

Alternative views Low‑importance

	This article is within the scope of WikiProject Alternative views, a collaborative effort to improve Wikipedia's coverage of significant alternative views in every field, from the sciences to the humanities. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion.Alternative viewsWikipedia:WikiProject Alternative viewsTemplate:WikiProject Alternative viewsAlternative views
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

Section sizes

Section size for Three Percenters (11 sections)
Section name	Byte count	Section total
(Top)	6,456	6,456
Foundation and membership	6,921	6,921
Ideology	3,084	3,084
Organization and activities	27,533	27,533
Participation in the January 6 United States Capitol attack	7,781	14,317
Indictments and sentences	6,536	6,536
Canada	1,949	1,949
See also	318	318
Notes	24	24
References	35	35
Further reading	735	735
Total	61,372	61,372

Issues (June, 2023)

This edit request has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request.

Ideology

The ideology is not clear. According to Malcolm Nance they are (right-)libertarian (see They Want to Kill Americans: The Militias, Terrorists, and Deranged Ideology of the Trump Insurgency, pp. 319-320)

But today there are many more groups, without centralized (national) organization, ergo many more ideologies (e.g., social conservatives, nativists, etc.).

The article needs to be updated: Is it a militia or a network of militias?

The Three Percenters (sometimes styled as III% or Threepers) is a diffuse national network of militia groups and independent activists https://www.icct.nl/sites/default/files/2022-12/Gartenstein-Ross-et-al1.pdf (p. 5)

It should be discussed whether to replace militia with:

Network of militia groups

Extremist gun rights movement

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/10/us/politics/three-percenter-capitol-riot.html

Subset of the militia movement.

https://newlinesinstitute.org/wp-content/uploads/20210225-Three-Percenter-PR-NISAP-rev051021.pdf (p. 2)

sub-ideology

https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/group/three-percenters

We need to specify which Three Percenters group we are talking about

For example, III% Georgia Security Force has its own leadership (Chris Hill), while Three Percenters Original (the dissolved organization) had another leadership. The introduction talks about the leader of the last mentioned group.

I noticed that there are separate article: Washington State Three Percenters

I would suggest including them all in one article. 93.45.229.98 (talk) 11:54, 15 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. voorts (talk/contributions) 17:39, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Voorts Change "militia" to "national network of militia groups". 93.45.229.98 (talk) 06:22, 10 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Unable to edit this page

I was going to add a disambiguation link to the top of this article, but was unable to do so since it appears to be locked from editing. Please fix this ridiculous situation! 173.88.246.138 (talk) 19:38, 29 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

What disambiguation needs to be done here? — The Hand That Feeds You:^Bite 16:09, 31 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 30 August 2023

This edit request has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request.

Request for this to be more neutral it's clearly written by someone with an agenda and needs to be more neutral 2601:182:B00:BA50:8D0:9C63:B2C3:68AF (talk) 14:05, 30 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 14:31, 30 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 3 September 2023

This edit request has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request.

Please change "militia" (X) to "national network of militia groups" (Y). 93.45.229.98 (talk) 10:45, 3 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit semi-protected}} template. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 11:06, 3 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Improper linking of Lauren Boebert to the Three Percenters

The statement ("Colorado congresswoman Lauren Boebert has close ties to the group") claiming that Congresswoman Lauren Boebert has close ties to the Three Percenters extremist group should not be included in this article summarizing the organization.

This is because such a claim does not adhere to Wikipedia's standards for neutrality, verifiability through reliable sources, and presenting information in an encyclopedic manner appropriate to the context. Specifically, the nature of any alleged connections between Rep. Boebert and the Three Percenters appears politically controversial and lacks independent sourcing. Making an unsubstantiated claim of "close ties" also has a negative tone more suited to accusation than neutral summarization. The article should thus avoid any details about one individual's purported ties to the group and instead focus on giving an overview of the organization itself based on reliable, published sources. Alexandria Bucephalous (talk) 12:48, 21 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]