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Foundation and membership	6,921	6,921
Ideology	3,084	3,084
Organization and activities	27,533	27,533
Participation in the January 6 United States Capitol attack	7,781	14,317
Indictments and sentences	6,536	6,536
Canada	1,949	1,949
See also	318	318
Notes	24	24
References	35	35
Further reading	735	735
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Issues (June, 2023)

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Ideology

The ideology is not clear. According to Malcolm Nance they are (right-)libertarian (see They Want to Kill Americans: The Militias, Terrorists, and Deranged Ideology of the Trump Insurgency, pp. 319-320)

But today there are many more groups, without centralized (national) organization, ergo many more ideologies (e.g., social conservatives, nativists, etc.).

The article needs to be updated: Is it a militia or a network of militias?

The Three Percenters (sometimes styled as III% or Threepers) is a diffuse national network of militia groups and independent activists https://www.icct.nl/sites/default/files/2022-12/Gartenstein-Ross-et-al1.pdf (p. 5)

It should be discussed whether to replace militia with:

Network of militia groups

Extremist gun rights movement

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/10/us/politics/three-percenter-capitol-riot.html

Subset of the militia movement.

https://newlinesinstitute.org/wp-content/uploads/20210225-Three-Percenter-PR-NISAP-rev051021.pdf (p. 2)

sub-ideology

https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/group/three-percenters

We need to specify which Three Percenters group we are talking about

For example, III% Georgia Security Force has its own leadership (Chris Hill), while Three Percenters Original (the dissolved organization) had another leadership. The introduction talks about the leader of the last mentioned group.

I noticed that there are separate article: Washington State Three Percenters

I would suggest including them all in one article. 93.45.229.98 (talk) 11:54, 15 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. voorts (talk/contributions) 17:39, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Voorts Change "militia" to "national network of militia groups". 93.45.229.98 (talk) 06:22, 10 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Unable to edit this page

I was going to add a disambiguation link to the top of this article, but was unable to do so since it appears to be locked from editing. Please fix this ridiculous situation! 173.88.246.138 (talk) 19:38, 29 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

What disambiguation needs to be done here? — The Hand That Feeds You:^Bite 16:09, 31 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 30 August 2023

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Request for this to be more neutral it's clearly written by someone with an agenda and needs to be more neutral 2601:182:B00:BA50:8D0:9C63:B2C3:68AF (talk) 14:05, 30 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 14:31, 30 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Please change "militia" (X) to "national network of militia groups" (Y). 93.45.229.98 (talk) 10:45, 3 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit semi-protected}} template. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 11:06, 3 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Improper linking of Lauren Boebert to the Three Percenters

The statement ("Colorado congresswoman Lauren Boebert has close ties to the group") claiming that Congresswoman Lauren Boebert has close ties to the Three Percenters extremist group should not be included in this article summarizing the organization.

This is because such a claim does not adhere to Wikipedia's standards for neutrality, verifiability through reliable sources, and presenting information in an encyclopedic manner appropriate to the context. Specifically, the nature of any alleged connections between Rep. Boebert and the Three Percenters appears politically controversial and lacks independent sourcing. Making an unsubstantiated claim of "close ties" also has a negative tone more suited to accusation than neutral summarization. The article should thus avoid any details about one individual's purported ties to the group and instead focus on giving an overview of the organization itself based on reliable, published sources. Alexandria Bucephalous (talk) 12:48, 21 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I've reverted this change. The NYT is a reliable source, and goes into details about Boebert's ties to the Three Percenters and other militia groups. A sitting member of Congress having close ties to this group is absolutely noteworthy. — The Hand That Feeds You:^Bite 18:24, 23 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Your ill-informed advocacy for the inclusion of the claim asserting Congresswoman Lauren Boebert's ostensible affiliations with the Three Percenters extremist group in the article flouts the very essence of Wikipedia's meticulously upheld standards for objectivity, verifiability, and the art of encyclopaedic curation.

While The New York Times indeed enjoys the prestige of reliability, Wikipedia demand that assertions be buttressed by the formidable fortification of multiple, autonomous, and unimpeachable sources.

Furthermore, the intricate web of these purported associations, swathed in the tenebrous shroud of political controversy, appears to lack the abundant and independent ratification necessary to fend off accusations of partiality. Wikipedia's unwavering allegiance to impartiality and equanimity calls for a judicious stance towards contentious content, and in this particular instance, the interpolation of unsubstantiated and potentially prejudiced information pertaining to an individual's entanglements with a particular group might run afoul of the canons of balanced, didactic exposition.

PS:

I've reverted this change with a firm click,

Backtracking the edit, like a quick magic trick.

Restoring the balance, making things right,

In Wikipedia's realm, where facts take flight. Alexandria Bucephalous (talk) 06:11, 24 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The source provided is sufficient to support the claim, and other sources (like this one) are available. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 15:00, 24 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]