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October 16

00:46, 16 October 2023 review of submission by Pasarqa

En español y me obligan hacer mención en inglés. No hay discusión que Mauro Yanez Pasarella fue el antiguo director de la policía Técnica Judicial de Venezuela pero los censores siguen privando a Mauro Yanez Pasarella como un personaje público de la historia contemporánea de Venezuela. Requiero una revisión con todo respeto de expertos de Wikipedia en español. Pasarqa (talk) 00:46, 16 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This is ENGISH wikipedia KingTheD (talk) 01:36, 16 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

00:58, 16 October 2023 review of submission by WalrusThePriest

Article rejected Yoo, my article on my band Tayleroid (on most music streaming services) was just rejected. Just wondering some of the reasons why could be? WalrusThePriest (talk) 00:58, 16 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I fixed your post to properly display a link to your draft. The reason for the rejection was given by the reviewer; "This topic is not sufficiently notable for inclusion in Wikipedia." This means that you did not show that your band meets the definition of a notable band. You should declare a conflict of interest. 331dot (talk) 01:10, 16 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
You provided no independent reliable sources. An article must summarize such sources, it isn't for the subject to tell about itself. 331dot (talk) 01:11, 16 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

05:07, 16 October 2023 review of submission by Paulmat77700

My draft declined due to references, please let me know what i need to do to get this published. Paulmat77700 (talk) 05:07, 16 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Paulmat77700: your so-called references aren't actually references, they're just words. Have a look at a few articles, so you see what references are, and check out WP:REFB for advice on how to create them. You then need to make sure that your sources meet the WP:GNG standard for notability, as this is the actual reason why your draft was declined. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 05:25, 16 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

09:49, 16 October 2023 review of submission by 74.118.237.170

Hi there,

Would it be possible to get some advice or assistance in removing the rejection on this page please? 74.118.237.170 (talk) 09:49, 16 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Rejection means that the draft will not be considered further. If you work for the company, that needs to be disclosed, see WP:PAID. If something has fundamentally changed about the draft, such as new sources reviewers did not consider, you should first appeal to the most recent reviewer directly. That seems unlikely, though. 331dot (talk) 09:59, 16 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

09:53, 16 October 2023 review of submission by 익명의 4인

Wanna know the reason of declination Below is the reason for declination of my draft. Could you kindly let me know what could be great actions to pass my draft in details? 익명의 4인 (talk) 09:53, 16 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

익명의 4인 I fixed your post to provide a link to your draft. It's unnecessary to copy the decline message here. Can you better explain what you don't understand about the decline message?
You must read the paid editing policy and make a formal disclosure. I assume that you work for the company, since you uploaded its logo and claimed it as your own personal work. I also assume that you did that improperly- logos should not be uploaded to Commons, you must immediately request its deletion from there.
If you are Korean, you may feel more comfortable editing the Korean Wikipedia. 331dot (talk) 09:57, 16 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

12:48, 16 October 2023 review of submission by Amitvb3112

I am trying to submit a article on Bhimjiyani it is a surname (Last Name) a sub-group of the broader Lohana community but it is getting rejected.

please let me know exact what is the issue. Amitvb3112 (talk) 12:48, 16 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Amitvb112 The issue is that your draft is completely unsourced. Please read WP:BACKWARD. An article summarizes what independent reliable sources say about the topic, showing how it is notable as defined by Wikipedia. With surnames or any name, there needs to be independent sources that discuss the meaning and/or usage of the name. Please see Your First Article. 331dot (talk) 12:50, 16 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

13:14, 16 October 2023 review of submission by Bdure

I simply can't understand why this wasn't accepted. The reason given is a "lack of independent sources." It has official biographical information and announcements from the clubs and teams for which she played. There is no subjectivity here -- these are the basic facts Wikipedia should be emphasizing and what researchers like me look for when we come here. What would make this entry more acceptable? Bdure (talk) 13:14, 16 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Bdure: this draft was declined for lack of notability. With one exception, it cites only close primary sources, which cannot be used to establish notability per WP:GNG. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 13:40, 16 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I see. I find this rather curious. Let's say someone is named to the USA's roster for the Women's World Cup. What sources would be needed to establish notability?
I don't mean to start a massive rethink of Wikipedia notability guidelines, but it seems strange to need an independent source to bolster the case for including someone who has met the objective criteria that her teammates have met.
So what sort of independent source would be required? Bdure (talk) 13:43, 16 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
An independent source that gives some sort of coverage beyond "she's on the team" or that which is not information from primary sources. Not everyone on a team is treated the same- it depends on the sources. Tom Brady merits an article while a backup practice squad player will not necessarily merit one. There needs to be coverage of them. 331dot (talk) 13:47, 16 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Bdure: independent means not connected to the subject in any way, and writing or broadcasting of their own volition, not simply repeating or regurgitating what the subject tells them to write (as haapens with advertorials, 'sponsored content' and other such churnalism). -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 13:48, 16 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I'm sorry, but that answer doesn't address the question here. We're not talking about an "advertorial" here.
It might help you all to think about what a user wants. When users come to Wikipedia, they want layers of information. What teams play women's soccer in Australia? What notable players are on these teams?
Defining "notability" by whether a fan has written about them is simply less credible than defining it by the awards a player has won.
I'll get an independent source for you, but I would seriously advise you all to rethink these criteria. They're written for other categories of people -- I could see some "independent" sources being needed to determine whether, say, a history professor is notable. In sports, we have objective criteria. Why not use them? Bdure (talk) 14:08, 16 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
As noted below(as you are reading this, most likely), the guidelines for athletes have recently been tightened up. Merely playing professional sports is not an instant ticket to an article- it's an indicator, but there still must be coverage of the person to satisfy the more general notability guideline. As this is a recent change, other articles created before that change still need to be addressed. If you want to work to change the guidelines back, you are free to do so (probably at Wikipedia talk:Notability (sports)) 331dot (talk) 14:12, 16 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Bdure: I didn't say this was advertorial. Nor did I say some piece of fan writing wuld be acceptable.
The point is that the sources on which you rely to establish notability must be (among other things) independent. If my son writes on his blog that he's the best footy player in the world, that means nothing. Ditto, if I write it. If his club writes that, it might mean slightly more, but only very slightly, because they also have a vested interest. It only means something if an independent reporter or analyst says that, and ideally not just one analyst, but several. DoubleGrazing (talk) 14:23, 16 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Bdure, The notability guidelines of Wikipedia require that third party reliable parties have provided significant coverage on a subject in order to be considered reliable. While "official" sources can be used to support certain facts they do nothing towards the inclusion criteria as the are not considered independent. McMatter (talk)/(contrib) 13:41, 16 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I guess I don't really understand the notability guidelines for soccer players. Many of Julia Grosso's teammates have Wikipedia entries even though they have fewer accomplishments. Bdure (talk) 14:05, 16 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Bdure Merely playing professional sports is usually notable. They don't need any more accomplishments than that- what matters is the sources. Please see other stuff exists, though- it could be that these other articles are also inappropriate and simply not addressed yet by a volunteer. 331dot (talk) 14:08, 16 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Bdure: the notability requirements for many athletes incl. soccer players have changed; they must now satisfy WP:GNG. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 14:08, 16 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks -- it's helpful to know that the requirements have changed.
There is one unusual factor to consider with this particular submission -- Julia Grosso shares her name with a more notable women's soccer player. My impetus for doing this entry was to provide some disambiguation from the other Julia Grosso. Whether that weighs into a notability decision, I don't know, but I'd hope the fact that there's a second Julia Grosso who plays professionally would be reflected somewhere. Bdure (talk) 14:32, 16 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

13:48, 16 October 2023 review of submission by Tamás Szüts


Max Verstappen is a highly notable figure in the world of Formula One, and his achievements are significant. He holds various records and has achieved notable success, making his wins noteworthy. These wins are a part of his legacy and are of interest to Formula One fans and researchers. The creation and maintenance of lists documenting the wins of prominent Formula One drivers serve as valuable resources for racing enthusiasts and the general public alike. Wikipedia is a collaborative platform that aims to provide comprehensive and accurate information on a wide range of topics, including notable individuals and their achievements.

Maintaining consistency in how Formula One drivers' achievements are presented on Wikipedia is essential. Several other top drivers, who are considered legends in the sport, have dedicated pages that list their Grand Prix wins. Notable examples include Lewis Hamilton, Michael Schumacher, and Ayrton Senna. To maintain fairness and equity, Max Verstappen should be treated in a similar manner. The guideline WP:LISTN (List of Notable items) sets standards for what can be considered independently notable. However, it should be applied judiciously. Lists of notable achievements by prominent individuals are not uncommon on Wikipedia, especially in fields like sports and entertainment. These lists provide valuable information and context for readers.

Given Max Verstappen's significant achievements in Formula One and the precedent set by the inclusion of similar lists for other top drivers, there is a strong argument for maintaining a page titled "List of Formula One Grand Prix Wins by Max Verstappen." The information contained in such a list is of interest to Formula One fans, researchers, and the general public, aligning with Wikipedia's mission to provide comprehensive and reliable information on notable topics. Furthermore, it ensures consistency with how achievements of other legendary Formula One drivers are presented on the platform. It is advisable to discuss and reach a consensus within the Wikipedia community to determine the best approach for presenting this information. Tombitker talk 13:48, 16 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Max Verstappen's achievements are described in the article about him personally, which is where they should be. As noted by the reviewer, this list does not meet WP:LISTN. You will need to first obtain a consensus through a discussion at Talk:Max Verstappen that a split of that article is needed. 331dot (talk) 13:53, 16 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
So should the dedicated pages for the wins by Lewis Hamilton and Michael Schumacher be erased? Bdure (talk) 14:10, 16 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The preferred term is "article", not the broader "page". I can only speak to the article or draft in front of me. It's possible that the articles you reference also do not meet WP:NLIST. As it states, "One accepted reason why a list topic is considered notable is if it has been discussed as a group or set by independent reliable sources". I suspect that's the case with the articles that you mention, but if you truly feel that it is not, you are free to nominate them for deletion on those grounds. I would suggest that you review the article talk pages carefully first. 331dot (talk) 14:37, 16 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The Hamilton one is rated FL, might be an uphill struggle to get that deleted! -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 14:42, 16 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

16:06, 16 October 2023 review of submission by TracieC

I recently received feedback that my Wikipedia draft was declined with the reason cited as "This submission is not adequately supported by reliable sources." I appreciate the review and the feedback provided.

To address this concern, I have made efforts to enhance the draft by incorporating references from reputable sources such as the BBC and The Hindu, which are recognised as reliable sources according to Wikipedia's guidelines as listed in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Perennial_sources.

In light of these improvements, I am reaching out to seek guidance on what additional steps or changes might be necessary to increase the chances of my draft being accepted. TracieC (talk) 16:06, 16 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @TracieC: what is your relationship with the article subject? -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 16:08, 16 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Hello @DoubleGrazing Thank you for the prompt reply. I do not have any relationship with the article subject. TracieC (talk) 16:14, 16 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@TracieC: thank you. In that case, what is your relationship with users you have previously created drafts and articles on this subject? I'm asking as you've managed to use the exact same nine sources as in some of the recent attempts. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 16:18, 16 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Hello @DoubleGrazing, Google News provides these references in its top results. Also, these sources appear to be reliable based on Wikipedia's Perennial sources guidelines. While there are other sources available, these seemed more appropriate for the subject matter. I'm open to adding or removing references that Google News provides, as long as they adhere to Wikipedia's standards for reliable sourcing. Your suggestions on this matter would be greatly appreciated. Additionally, I faced the issue mentioned here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Primefac#Inclusion_of_Anandmurti_Gurumaa_in_List_of_Hindu_Gurus_and_Sants, which led me to try creating this page. TracieC (talk) 16:53, 16 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
How did you come to edit about this person? You didn't pick them at random. 331dot (talk) 16:57, 16 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Hello @331dot, I didn't choose to edit about this person randomly. I also edited the article about Ravi Shankar (spiritual leader) and have plans to contribute more in the field of Western and Asian spirituality and religion, which aligns with my area of expertise. I welcome any feedback on the article content and am eager to learn from experienced mentors. TracieC (talk) 17:08, 16 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Theroadislong I recently received feedback that my Wikipedia draft was declined, with the reason cited as, "This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article." I appreciate the review and the feedback provided.
In light of this feedback, I am eager to take steps to address the issue. I would like to inquire whether adding more references, which are readily available but were omitted to keep the content concise, would help justify the subject as notable. Additionally, I am open to expanding the content with information about the subject's work, books published, and other relevant details, which may further establish notability.
At present, I have included what I believed to be the most common and reliable sources according to Wikipedia's guidelines, as listed in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Perennial_sources.
Your guidance on what additional steps or changes might be necessary to enhance the chances of my draft being accepted would be greatly appreciated. Please help me with your assistance. TracieC (talk) 18:05, 16 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
We need to see significant in-depth coverage, this reference [1]] contains no content about her, this [2] is a listing and this source [3] is a passing mention. Theroadislong (talk) 18:16, 16 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

17:29, 16 October 2023 review of submission by Aapril3

I have read the formatting guidelines but am still having trouble with my section headings, and am not sure if they are formatted correctly to auto-generate a table of contents at the top. I would appreciate any assistance. Aapril3 (talk) 17:29, 16 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Aapril3: not that this is really an AfC matter, but just to say that in the new skin the TOC shows up in the side panel on the left, not at the top of the article like it used to (and your draft does have a TOC).
The headings don't take any formatting, so you should remove the bolding. The top level is ==X==, and to create subheadings below that you step down one = pair at a time. HTH, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 17:43, 16 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

21:42, 16 October 2023 review of submission by HyperTribal

How can I improve my first draft? My first article is about Gil Vega, who was a famous musician and orchestra director in Costa Rica in from the 1950s - 1970s. However, given that it was so long ago, I'm having a hard time finding enough references in publications. Even though he was mentioned in at least one modern news website and a few university text books, the first draft of the article was rejected: Draft:Gil Vega HyperTribal (talk) 21:42, 16 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

HyperTribal The draft was declined, not rejected. Rejected has a specific meaning here, that a draft may not be resubmitted. Declined means that a draft may be resubmitted.
If you are unable to find more sources, there won't be able to be an article about this person. Sources do not need to be online. 331dot (talk) 22:54, 16 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

October 17

00:18, 17 October 2023 review of submission by Mlauenstein

My submission was declined because the article it relates to was declined for different reasons. Is there a way I can make this a standalone list instead? Mlauenstein (talk) 00:18, 17 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

In order for there to be a list article, you need an article about the underlying topic(the show) and a good reason as to why the episodes should be spun off as a separate article. 331dot (talk) 00:26, 17 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

02:19, 17 October 2023 review of submission by RishabhNaruka

The draft was declined. Could you please help me what changes I need to make before resubmission. RishabhNaruka (talk) 02:19, 17 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@RishabhNaruka: this draft was declined for lack of evident notability, so at a minimum you will need to provide sources that demonstrate notability per WP:GNG. You will also need to reference the contents much better, as there are several paragraphs without a single citation. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 06:30, 17 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

03:28, 17 October 2023 review of submission by JuanJose1994

This sports JuanJose1994 (talk) 03:28, 17 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@JuanJose1994: that's not a question. And what you have in your sandbox is not a serious attempt at drafting an article. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 06:25, 17 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

03:29, 17 October 2023 review of submission by JuanJose1994

Sy JuanJose1994 (talk) 03:29, 17 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@JuanJose1994: you don't ask a question (again), but this draft has been rejected and will not be considered further. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 06:27, 17 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

08:55, 17 October 2023 review of submission by Yahayakabir

Please my article was deleted because of wrong editing, if I want to reuse my content most especially my company name for a better edit hope it will not affect or being reject again? Yahayakabir (talk) 08:55, 17 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Yahayakabir: your draft was declined and deleted because it was promotional. I can see that you've also added promotional content about the same topic on your user pages. I would advise you to stop now, before you get blocked. Wikipedia is not a place to promote your business. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 09:04, 17 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

10:18, 17 October 2023 review of submission by Irkashka

My draft was considered as an advertisement. I would like some help on what should I edit to pass this criteria successfully Irkashka (talk) 10:18, 17 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

10:20, 17 October 2023 review of submission by Oasis2019

Hello, hope all is well. Can you please give me a rough idea of when the article I submitted for review in June about Chris Von Christiansen might be reviewed? Oasis2019 (talk) 10:20, 17 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Oasis2019: it was reviewed, and declined, on June 24. It hasn't been resubmitted (and rightly so, as no edits have been made since to address the decline reasons), and therefore is not currently pending new review. So the short answer, as things stand, is: never. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 10:33, 17 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
PS: Aha, you're probably referring to Draft:Chris von Christierson? (I thought you meant your sandbox draft, which is what you linked to in your question!) This draft is indeed awaiting review, but I cannot tell you when it will be reviewed, as drafts are not reviewed in any particular order.
For future reference, please don't submit two drafts on the same subject. This is totally unnecessary, and causes extra work and confusion. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 10:38, 17 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I was referring to the second draft. I'm not sure why it was resubmitted twice. I did the first time and was careful not to repeat the double entry with this. Can somebody else submit the sane draft, or that's also a "never"? Oasis2019 (talk) 12:44, 17 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Oasis2019: sorry, I'm not sure what you mean by "Can somebody else submit the sane draft, or that's also a "never"?" -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 12:55, 17 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

10:25, 17 October 2023 review of submission by Kartik7055

Whats the reason to declined my bio again and again please suggest my mistake. Kartik7055 (talk) 10:25, 17 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Kartik7055: Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia, not a social media or blogging platform. Any sort of promotion is not allowed, and additionally you should not be writing about yourself (see WP:AUTOBIO). Try LinkedIn etc. instead. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 10:29, 17 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

10:37, 17 October 2023 review of submission by SparrowsQuest

My submission was recently declined. The reviewer's comment was "Please don't cite unreliable journals." I am not sure which citations fall into this category, could you help me please? I am wondering if it may be that I referenced a couple of blogs (Times of Israel, American Thinker) which Schwartz has written for. I know that quoting from the blogs is unacceptable but from what I can understand of the guidelines, mentioning that the subject wrote for these blogs is not. If these are the problem areas then would they be corrected by removing the citations, or is it best to remove any mention of them at all? Or is the problem something else? Thank you for your assistance. SparrowsQuest (talk) 10:37, 17 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@SparrowsQuest: refs #6 and 8 (American Thinker) are flagged up as "generally unreliable"; additionally, 3 and 13 are considered predatory publications. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 10:45, 17 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for your quick and helpful response. I have made edits accordingly. If I may ask one more question, regarding the chapter that appears in "predatory publications" - I removed all but one citation (now number 11), which I've updated to show that the source of the citation is "via Scopus," which is a repository of peer-reviewed documents. Is this enough to qualify the citation as a reliable source, or is there a better way to convey that it has been indexed in Scopus? Thank you again for your assistance. SparrowsQuest (talk) 20:14, 17 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Hi @SparrowsQuest the issues are larger than just the sources. First, do not cite anything Schwartz has written to support any claims other than he wrote something. I removed some of the text because the sources cited did not support the claims made. You must follow the neutral point of view and verifiabilty policies and the draft has major issues with both. S0091 (talk) 20:30, 17 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

10:48, 17 October 2023 review of submission by ArzebajanRO

hello, I am would like to know why the article has been rejected, it seems to me a neutral article, not contrary to wikipedia rules. Why this article about such an interesting person, who is not only a smart guy but is even politically active, and who is becoming very popular and could become internationally known in the coming years, has been rejected. On wikipedia you easily can find other pages little known, and seem to be made only to advertise some people, and have been approved. This article was created to tell about a person, not just the goal he achieved ArzebajanRO (talk) 10:48, 17 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@ArzebajanRO: Wikipedia is not the place to tell the world about yourself or your mates. If this person one day becomes "internationally known", then he will probably be featured in multiple secondary sources, and someone might then prepare a Wikipedia article about him by summarising what those sources have said. As for "other pages little known", see WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 10:53, 17 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

12:02, 17 October 2023 review of submission by Abcfws2023

Would like some more insight into why the page was rejected. This is a real term we use and would like to provide users with a better explanation of what the term means and how to use it. Do we need to add more sources and/or citations to further prove the information is accurate and correct? Abcfws2023 (talk) 12:02, 17 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia is not for things that were created one day. This term must receive significant coverage in independent reliable sources that document its use. See WP:NEOLOGISM. 331dot (talk) 12:07, 17 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Abcfws2023, Wikipedia is also not the place to host your next promotional PR piece. I have left a warning on your talkpage about your username and about using Wikipedia to promote. McMatter (talk)/(contrib) 12:43, 17 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

14:24, 17 October 2023 review of submission by Hamody Saif is back

I created pages please don’t delete my pages Hamody Saif is back (talk) 14:24, 17 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Looks like another sock of User:Kokikoki2011. Theroadislong (talk) 14:46, 17 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

17:26, 17 October 2023 review of submission by Shahab Uddin Sagor

Please approve my biography submission. 

Shahab Uddin Sagor (talk) 17:26, 17 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Shahab Uddin Sagor: Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia, not a social media site. If you want to tell the world about yourself or 'create a profile', try LinkedIn etc. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 17:32, 17 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

19:13, 17 October 2023 review of submission by Nayak u mahen

why it rejected. Nayak u mahen (talk) 19:13, 17 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The reason was left by the reviewer; "This submission is contrary to the purpose of Wikipedia". 331dot (talk) 19:16, 17 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Nayak u mahen do not remove the decline and reject notices. Qcne (talk) 19:49, 17 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

19:52, 17 October 2023 review of submission by Jyanjinyuan

My draft at "https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/Draft:Thermal_equation_of_state_of_solids

has been revised. Could you please have a look to see If it meets the requirement for the neutral point of view (NPOV), Verifiability, no original research, etc? Highly appreciate your help in any form.

Best regards,

Jinyuan Yan Jyanjinyuan (talk) 19:52, 17 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

19:55, 17 October 2023 review of submission by Fanofwikii

This article was published years ago someone with no experience updated the article and was also blocked by Wikipedia this article needs help for this article to be published again it’s the person reputation that is getting ruined Fanofwikii (talk) 19:55, 17 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hello @Fanofwikii. Wikipedia is not to be used to promote someone's reputation. That is prohibited. This person does not meet our notability requirements now, and so will not be considered further. There is northing you can do. Qcne (talk) 20:22, 17 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you sir Fanofwikii (talk) 20:24, 17 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

20:51, 17 October 2023 review of submission by JuanJose1994

Sport JuanJose1994 (talk) 20:51, 17 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@JuanJose1994 you submission is completely blank. That's why it has been declined. Nthep (talk) 20:56, 17 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
You need to stop messing around or you’ll get banned KingTheD (talk) 23:50, 17 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]


October 18

00:31, 18 October 2023 review of submission by Bluebeamblue

I am understudying the behavior of Wikipedia editors and I have come to some very disturbing finding: Many draft articles declined at the level of Afc meet the guidelines for notability but because such articles have been hastily declined from going into the main space by a first reviewer, the decision affects other reviewers and such articles never see the light of day. It appears there is a behavioral law, “If the first reviewer declines the submission of an article, no matter how it has been improved, it has to be declined again until it is deleted”. For example, the draft article on “Ejikeme Patrick Nwosu” (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Ejikeme_Patrick_Nwosu) is obviously notable. The submission's references show significant, even multiple full page coverage about the subject in “published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject”. The newspapers referenced are so reliable that they have their own profiles in Wikipedia. Guardian is one of them. The Nation (Nigeria) is another. AllAfrica is another. The Punch is another. Daily Trust too. And many more. And they all reported about the subject, independent of the subject. I am surprised that Wikipedia administrators saw these references and ignored them. I then compared the references to many stubs already in Wikipedia main space and saw that this article, “Ejikeme Patrick Nwosu” is obviously better than they are. I do not want to lose confidence in this online encyclopaedia. I hope that editors should be trained in instantly knowing which newspaper is reliable and which is not by first checking if such a newspaper has a page in Wikipedia and what has been said about them. I am bringing this article to public notice so that more administrators can look at it. It appears African inventors are under-reported because the media used for their reportage are deemed unreliable. The management of Wikipedia needs to focus more on understanding the media problems of reporting Africa so that Wikipedia won’t unwittingly leave out very important world heritage data that are hidden in oral information or other forms that are deemed unreliable. 

Bluebeamblue (talk) 00:31, 18 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Bluebeamblue: this draft has been resubmitted, and will be reviewed in due course to see if the subject is, indeed, "obviously notable" as you claim.
Other than that, do you have an actual question you wish to ask? Or did you just come here to rant and hurl accusations at us? -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 06:12, 18 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for your response. But please, this is not an accusation, and I am not ranting. Sorry, if that is the impression created. It is not at all intended. I am a rationale being making an observation.
The question I have is this:
What other quality qualifies a stub that has only three reliable newspaper references acceptance into the main page, while a comprehensive article that has more than four reliable references (whose cited newspapers have positive wikilinks) declined acceptance? see "Becky Okorie" for example etc Bluebeamblue (talk) 09:06, 18 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Bluebeamblue: articles can end up being published in many different ways; some predate the current guidelines and policies, others have been published directly by editors with the requisite user permissions, etc. There are well over 6 million articles in the English-language Wikipedia, and we can only deal with the ones that we become aware of: if you find an article that you feel doesn't meet the current requirements, you're welcome to either improve it or propose its deletion. In the meantime, it is pointless comparing a draft with any articles that might exist, as they may well have their own problems, and we do not wish to create more of the same. For that reason, we assess drafts with reference to the currently applicable policies and guidelines, not by comparing them to WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS.
It's also worth noting that the number of sources isn't strictly relevant (beyond the basic requirement of having 'multiple'), as three solid sources always trumps a large number of flaky ones. Bearing also in mind that it isn't enough, in what comes to establishing notability, that a source is reliable and independent, it must also provide significant coverage of the subject. In other words, a source has to meet every aspect of the WP:GNG notability standard at once. So it is perfectly possible for a subject to be mentioned in highly reputable publications such as the ones you mention, and yet notability not be demonstrated if those publications only mention the subject in passing. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 09:21, 18 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

02:41, 18 October 2023 review of submission by RagingPichu

There aren't a whole lot of sources on this game. It basically amounts to reviews, interviews, and Quell's Dev Blog on Tumblr. How should I proceed, keeping the verifiability criterion in mind? RagingPichu (talk) 02:41, 18 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

If you can’t find any reliable sources then there really isn’t anything that you can do. KingTheD (talk) 02:50, 18 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

06:38, 18 October 2023 review of submission by Amit241903

I want to write and add an article about my self and my journey but the article has be rejected, please suggest the changes so that i can as an article aby myself Amit241903 (talk) 06:38, 18 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Amit241903: you should not be writing about yourself, for the reasons explained in WP:AUTOBIO. Also, Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia, not a social media or blogging platform. If you want to tell the world about yourself, you need to find another place for that. In any case, Wikipedia articles should be written by summarising what independent and reliable secondary sources (newspapers, magazines, TV and radio programmes, books, etc.) have said about the subject, whereas I'm guessing you would just like to 'tell your story' yourself? Again, that's not how this works. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 06:42, 18 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

09:19, 18 October 2023 review of submission by 185.130.156.203

how can this page be improved? 185.130.156.203 (talk) 09:19, 18 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It can't be improved, which is why it was rejected and will not be considered further. 331dot (talk) 09:24, 18 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

09:59, 18 October 2023 review of submission by Yoursfrag

Hello, you rejected my proposal to create an Eviden company page for the spin off of Atos group. Can you advice me how can we create a simple new page for this new company representing 60k employees and many sub brands and acquisitions. Also I see that someone created the french page for Eviden; can you please authorize the english version, as there are now many press and indépendant sources mentionning Eviden ( Atos group spin off). Many thanks for your feedbacks and advices Yoursfrag (talk) 09:59, 18 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Yoursfrag This draft was rejected, meaning that it will not be considered further. We don't have "company pages" here, we have articles about companies. If you work for this company, the Terms of Use require you to make a formal paid editing disclosure. You should also read conflict of interest. Our articles are typically written by independent editors wholly unconnected with the subject.
We don't have "simple new pages". Wikipedia is not a directory of companies or things that exist. This is an encyclopedia with criteria for inculsion, which for companies is described at WP:ORG. We don't want sources with brief mentions of the company, or that describe its routine business activities(like acquisitions of competitors), but independent reliable sources that on their own and not based on materials from the company, go into detail about what they see as important/significant/influential about the company. Every company thinks that what it does is important/significant/influential, we want to know what others think.
The French Wikipedia is a separate project from the English Wikipedia, with its own editors and policies. What is acceptable there is not necessarily acceptable here. 331dot (talk) 10:04, 18 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

11:30, 18 October 2023 review of submission by Thony-Ferro

I appreciate my colleague Johannes Maximilian's comment. However, the sources we possess concerning the band are reliable, including an article on SIC TV, one of the largest and most-watched Portuguese TV networks. To gain a comprehensive understanding of the vocalist, it is recommended to review this material. Notably, there are more references available for Master Dy compared to those provided for Alia Tempora, a band that already has a Wikipedia page. At the time of Alia Tempora's page publication, they had fewer releases and less prominence than Master Dy. I have included the link to "All Music," a certified source by Wikipedia itself, for Alia Tempora don't exist a simple link to All music. My intention is not to advocate for the band, but to underscore the research efforts I have undertaken over the past three years. While I could continue to cite additional instances of less prominent bands featured on Wikipedia, my focus is to provide insight into my ongoing work. In view of a lot of current content, my content does deserve a position. Thank you. Thony-Ferro (talk) 11:30, 18 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Thony-Ferro: it's not enough for sources to be reliable, for notability per WP:GNG they must also be sufficient enough in number and in the extent of their coverage.
Whether AllMusic is reliable is debatable, but it isn't "certified" in any sense, and notability doesn't hinge on having an AllMusic entry.
Self-published albums also do not satisfy the special WP:BAND guideline, unless this group has some other merits which I've missed.
I don't know what other article(s) you refer to, but this draft is being judged in its own right, not by comparing to any other articles that may exist out there; see WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 11:46, 18 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

12:13, 18 October 2023 review of submission by Wikinewteam1

Hi there,

Please can you let me know which areas need referencing or if unable removed in order to be successful during the next submission. Wikinewteam1 (talk) 12:13, 18 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Wikinewteam1 Your username suggests that this is a group or shared account. Please visit Special:GlobalRenameRequest or WP:CHUS to rename your account to an individualistic username. If you work for or are associated with Ms. Lasi(perhaps associated with SI), please read conflict of interest and paid editing.
Your references are bare urls, and are only somewhat in-line with the draft text. Please see Referencing for Beginners to learn how to format references. Most of the references seem to document her activities and few have significant coverage of her personally. 331dot (talk) 12:18, 18 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

12:14, 18 October 2023 review of submission by 128.151.150.25

My submission was declined for lack of reliable sources. However, I’m not sure what would count as a reliable source since the majority of sources on my topic are local newspaper articles which I have cited. What do I do? 128.151.150.25 (talk) 12:14, 18 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi IP, it appears most of the sources are statements about people who played there rather than in-depth coverage about the club itself or interviews with those involved which are not independent and much of the content does not appear to be supported by the sources so fails verification). Also some of the sources are not reliable such as blogs, YouTube (see [[WP:RSPYT for more info), social media, etc. It's an interesting article but it appears your approached it the wrong way, at least in part. You you start with collecting independent reliable sources then summarize what they say (see WP:BACKWARD), not what you think or know (see original research). Even so, have you checked Google Books? S0091 (talk) 16:46, 18 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

13:39, 18 October 2023 review of submission by AMRLPRHJR

Hello, I am creating my first wikipedia page and my first draft was declined as I need to "cite independent sources not ones that are associated with the subject". Apologies for my ignorance, I am uncertain what sources would be more suitable - I believe it might be that I used the subjects website as a reference. Since being declined, I have found pages on the film website Mubi that I believe are independent, which provide information about the films I am referencing and cite Maureen's involvement. Are these sufficient as reference replacements? Any advice would be very welcome. I want to make sure the page sticks to community guidelines. AMRLPRHJR (talk) 13:39, 18 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

AMRLPRHJR I fixed your link to your draft(it must appear exactly for it to work). IMDB is not an acceptable source as it is user-editable. "Foxtrot Films" seems to be a primary source that you are using to merely document people who worked with Murray. This isn't necessary usually as the film credits serve to do that- one can just watch the film.
You say things like she has acted as an industry mentor, but offer no reliable sources to support that claim or that describe her particular influence. An article primarily must summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage choose on their own to say about the person and show how they are notable- either as a notable person broadly or more narrowly in this case as a notable creative professional.
Do you have an association with this person? 331dot (talk) 13:45, 18 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

14:32, 18 October 2023 review of submission by Origagari

Hi Again,

I updated, can you check again?

Good work. Origagari (talk) 14:32, 18 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Origagari: this draft has been rejected, and will therefore not be reviewed again. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 14:34, 18 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
(ec) The draft was rejected, which typically means that it will not be considered further. If something has fundamentally changed about the draft since it was rejected, the first step is to appeal to the reviewer who rejected the draft. 331dot (talk) 14:35, 18 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Deleted as promotional. 😢 Left 'm my standard notice. -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 14:59, 18 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

15:02, 18 October 2023 review of submission by Mint tin 5506

I need to know how to add the category box 

Mint tin 5506 (talk) 15:02, 18 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Mint tin 5506: what's a "category box"? If you mean the section on the bottom with categories in it, categories are only added when the article is published. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 15:19, 18 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
ohhhhhhhhh ok thanks for the help I appreciate the help. Mint tin 5506 (talk) 17:14, 18 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

15:52, 18 October 2023 review of submission by Sidharthsnair

What is the reason why my draft was rejected an how can I make it better Sidharthsnair (talk) 15:52, 18 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Sidharthsnair: it was rejected because it is clearly not notable. Wikipedia is not the place to tell the world about yourself or things you made up. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 16:02, 18 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

16:20, 18 October 2023 review of submission by 37.5.253.134

I need assistance copying results and entries on to graphs in the page. 37.5.253.134 (talk) 16:20, 18 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi IP, I suggest asking for help at the Teahouse. The AfC Helpdesk is here to answer questions related to reviews rather than general editing questions. S0091 (talk) 16:30, 18 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

17:26, 18 October 2023 review of submission by Khalifasheraz

If I remove the links, then it can be approved? As i was searching for turbo filters in Wikipedia and didn't find ay relevant articles thats why I write this one. please let me know. Khalifasheraz (talk) 17:26, 18 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

No, the draft was rejected, meaning that it will not be considered further. It is a completely unsourced essay of original research which is not permitted on Wikipedia. Wikipedia articles summarize what independent reliable sources state, in an encyclopedic style. 331dot (talk) 17:28, 18 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

17:35, 18 October 2023 review of submission by 188.150.13.167

Hello there, I would love some assistance to my current project, the pianist Matti Hirvonen. I recently published his article but was declined due to reference incorrectly. I would love to have some review of my article and assistance in the matter. It’s my first wiki. :)

Thank you 188.150.13.167 (talk) 17:35, 18 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Please read the posts left by the reviewer, as well as the links therein, especially Referencing for beginners. You may then resubmit when you've added proper references. 331dot (talk) 17:37, 18 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Please log into your account when editing. Thanks, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 17:53, 18 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I'd recommend turning on the WP:VISUALEDITOR and following the tutorial at WP:INTREFVE. This is an easier-to-use editor and has automatic in-line citations. Qcne (talk) 18:12, 18 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

18:34, 18 October 2023 review of submission by 72.34.120.68

i just wanted to know: why can't you guys just hire more people to check the drafts of everybody, making things go a lot quicker? 72.34.120.68 (talk) 18:34, 18 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This website is run by volunteers, there are no paid employees of Wikipedia. Every draft review has been done by someone in their spare time. Qcne (talk) 18:48, 18 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Your draft was reviewed within 18 minutes of you submitting, I think that's pretty good? Theroadislong (talk) 18:49, 18 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

21:17, 18 October 2023 review of submission by Thomson Walt

I want to resubmit this draft after the fully-protected redirect page of Miss Grand International 2020 was reduced the protection to ECP as per this DRV.

Best, Thomson Walt (talk) 21:17, 18 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

22:28, 18 October 2023 review of submission by Dreadfibre

i dont know what else to write Dreadfibre (talk) 22:28, 18 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia is not a place for people to tell the world about themselves. See WP:AUTO. 331dot (talk) 22:37, 18 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]


October 19

01:17, 19 October 2023 review of submission by Drcool 25

Can you help review the article parts which are considered promotional parts of the article and edit to remove whichever is unnecessary. I am still new and would need guidance on writing Drcool 25 (talk) 01:17, 19 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Drcool, your draft is overtly promotional and his been rejected for that reason. Promotional editing is forbidden on Wikipedia, and your draft will not be reconsidered, since it is contrary to the purpose of Wikipedia. Early on in your draft, you say that this business exists to make the world a more beautiful place. This overtly promotional sentence is followed by many other overtly promotional marketing sentences. That style of writing is not permitted on Wikipedia. The Neutral point of view is a core content policy. Cullen328 (talk) 06:12, 19 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. ColinFine (talk) 16:28, 20 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

06:42, 19 October 2023 review of submission by Aishu.m

All rejections of this draft have been for not citing reliable sources. Need assistance in understanding which sources are considered reliable and which are not. Aishu.m (talk) 06:42, 19 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Aishu.m: it's a combination of some sources used (eg. YouTube) not being reliable, and some of the content not being referenced at all. However, that's not the only reason why this has been declined (not 'rejected') multiple times; it's also that the sources have been insufficient to establish notability per WP:GNG. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 06:50, 19 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Would you mind pointing to which content were not referenced?
Also, the cited sources are interviews provided by the subject to recognised publications/magazines. Are these considered reliable? I'm trying to understand why they are considered insufficient. Aishu.m (talk) 08:36, 19 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Interviews may be reliable, but they are not independent. Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. ColinFine (talk) 16:29, 20 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Hello, thank you for the explanation. This really puts things into a better perspective. Aishu.m (talk) 17:13, 20 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

07:48, 19 October 2023 review of submission by NadellaMou

My article is declined due to the reason which is missing the neutral point of view and seems like a promotion. But my article is subject of public service application which is helping citizens. This is a worthy application which needs entry in Wikipedia it's a prestigious application of a State in India. The information I sourced from various news papers which I attached as references. Pls help me in publishing my article  NadellaMou (talk) 07:48, 19 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@NadellaMou: the app may well be "worthy", but that doesn't give you a licence to write about it in a promotional manner. "Innovative", "dynamic", "progressive", "harnessing the power", are all peacock expressions. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 07:53, 19 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

08:41, 19 October 2023 review of submission by Dwanyewest

What can I do to improve this article? I feel it has enough third person sources to justify an article. Dwanyewest (talk) 08:41, 19 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Dwanyewest: this draft hasn't been submitted for review yet, you'll get feedback once you submit it and it has been reviewed. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 09:06, 19 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

08:42, 19 October 2023 review of submission by Dwanyewest

What can I do to improve this article? I feel it has enough third person sources to justify an article. Dwanyewest (talk) 08:42, 19 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Dwanyewest: this draft hasn't been submitted for review yet, you'll get feedback once you submit it and it has been reviewed. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 09:06, 19 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

08:44, 19 October 2023 review of submission by Dwanyewest

What can I do to improve this article? I feel it has enough third person sources to justify an article. Dwanyewest (talk) 08:44, 19 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Dwanyewest: the reviewer left you a comment with their decline, have you considered that? Good sources are important, but they're not quite the be-all and end-all. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 09:09, 19 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
PS: I had a quick look at the sources, and FWIW they probably are enough to satisfy WP:GNG. Can't say conclusively, as I couldn't access the EDV ones (paywall), but looked okay. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 09:15, 19 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

09:30, 19 October 2023 review of submission by 91.141.48.4

Hi - this draft article was rejected on account of the sources, but I belieive they meet Wikipedia's guidelines. RE: Apple Award, surely the best source for this is Apple Inc itself? Other sources in the article include Techcrunch, Forbes magazine and Entrepreneur (magazine), all of which are regarded as reliable sources in the business world and meet Wikipedia's standards of notability. So I am trying to understand why these sources are not considered sufficient by the editor? Thank you 91.141.48.4 (talk) 09:30, 19 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The draft was declined, not rejected. "Rejected" has a specific meaning in the draft submission process, that a draft may not be resubmitted. "Declined" means that a draft may be resubmitted.
The sources themselves are not the issue, but their content. The draft largely summarizes the routine business activities of the company,(like raising funds) which does not establish notability. One unremarkable award is mentioned; awards do not usually establish notability unless the award itself merits an article(like Nobel Peace Prize or Academy Award). Any article about this company must summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about this company, showing how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of a notable company. "Significant coverage" goes beyond merely telling what the company does and goes into detail about what the source sees as significant/important/influential about the company. Not every company merits a Wikipedia article- even in the same field- it depends on the sources.
If you work for this company, the Terms of Use require that to be disclosed, see WP:PAID, as well as conflict of interest. Disclosing is easier to do with an account, but even if you don't wish to create an account, you must disclose. 331dot (talk) 09:36, 19 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

10:44, 19 October 2023 review of submission by Syler.mi4

Please suggest more sources Syler.mi4 (talk) 10:44, 19 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Syler.mi4 the article has been rejected, there is nothing further you can do. Qcne (talk) 19:14, 19 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

11:02, 19 October 2023 review of submission by Gitte bei Medienservice UHH Bio

I submitted an article revised according to your requirements, which was named as the new version "2" by you. Now this has been rejected because apparently the first one still exists and the new one is considered a duplicate. What can I do so that this new version is checked and released? Gitte bei Medienservice UHH Bio (talk) 11:02, 19 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

You created the second draft- you should just edit the original draft. 331dot (talk) 11:09, 19 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

12:14, 19 October 2023 review of submission by MariaMorris1

I initially created this page to give information about Daniel Ashville Louisy. Since then others have added to it and we have added credible links and the basic information required by Wikipedia.

I would like some help in what parts specifically I need to change as I am now worried about adding or removing any parts that will be needed for this article.

Thank you MariaMorris1 (talk) 12:14, 19 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

MariaMorris1 Please read WP:COI and WP:PAID and disclose your connection with Mr. Louisy. You must have one since you took a picture of him and he posed for you.
Wikipedia articles(not "pages") are not for merely providing information, but should summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage choose on their own to say about him, showing how he meets the special Wikipedia definition of a notable person. You describe his activities and background, but you do not tell what sources consider to be important/significant/influential about him. Please read Your First Article. 331dot (talk) 12:25, 19 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
ok I will do more research on what to write that establishes better reliable sources as the articles I found on him seemed to be very reliable due to how popular the sources are but I will try to amend it and republish for review.
I only have seen Daniels show and social media and that picture is from his own website. MariaMorris1 (talk) 15:51, 19 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

12:18, 19 October 2023 review of submission by Danceguru1212

Submission has been declined twice for my article despite providing several credible references. I am unclear on what specifically needs to be done to improve the article. Can someone help me with this please? Danceguru1212 (talk) 12:18, 19 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

For one, the external links within the text need to be removed.
In one part, you say she has "received acclaim" but do not describe what the acclaim is. 331dot (talk) 12:22, 19 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

13:22, 19 October 2023 review of submission by Sadid Lailuma

Hello Sir, Madam,

I just submitted my first Wikipedia page, but it is rejected. could you please give me advice on what should i do? Thanks Lailuma Sadid Sadid Lailuma (talk) 13:22, 19 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Sadid Lailuma: writing your username is clearly not a viable article draft. What were you trying to do? -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 13:27, 19 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

13:36, 19 October 2023 review of submission by BhikhariInformer

In this article I have attached citations from The Times of India, Ei Samay Sangbadpatra, The Economic Times, The Telegraph (India), Anandabazar Patrika and also Youtube. All of these are usually the citations present for many other Bengali films and are considered to be reliable sources in many of the Bengali films, which have their Wikipedia pages based on the citations from these news websites. My draft has been denied on the basis of not being supported by reliable sources for verification. The film is already released with positive reviews from all critics. Hence, I don't understand why has this draft been denied. Do I need to submit it a few days later? Can you please tell me the reason. Can you also enlighten me on what can I do and what kind of other citations are required to verify this film, which are usually not present in the other Bengali film pages.

Thank you BhikhariInformer BhikhariInformer (talk) 13:36, 19 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@BhikhariInformer: it's not enough for the publications to be reliable and independent (and it's debatable whether the Times of India is that, esp. when it comes to entertainment and business reporting), they must also provide significant coverage of the subject. Given that the film was only released today, the sources are pre-release publicity, which usually does not establish notability. (I offer this as a general comment, I haven't looked at the sources cited in this draft in any detail.) -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 13:42, 19 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the info about Times of India. Then I will submit after a few days. BhikhariInformer (talk) 14:03, 19 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@BhikhariInformer: rather than "after a few days", you should wait until there are sources which demonstrate notability by WP:GNG or WP:NFILM, however long that may take. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 14:07, 19 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Okay. Thanks BhikhariInformer (talk) 14:10, 19 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. Articles published before a film's release almost never meet those criteria. Wait until some articles are published that do meet the criteria. This might take months or even years, but that is not an issue in Wikipedia, since there is no deadline. ColinFine (talk) 16:36, 20 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

14:52, 19 October 2023 review of submission by 195.43.130.152

Hi, why as it been rejected? He's an icon in advertising, the most influential man that formed most of the most influential creative minds in advertise in the world. An incredible professor that became a dad of hundreds of kids to which he gave the opportunity to build a second life to themselves. You could say that most of the ads out in the world today has been influenced by him. He recently passed away and the ad world across the globe is crying him. Could you please help me open up a profile for him? He NEEDS a wikipedia page. Thank you, a would very much appreciate your help. Please look him up on Google if you don't believe me. 195.43.130.152 (talk) 14:52, 19 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Firstly there is no draft for Tony Cullingham, and secondly there are no profiles, only articles on people who pass the guidelines. Theroadislong (talk) 14:56, 19 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nobody in the universe "NEEDS" a Wikipedia page, because that statement assumes that a Wikipedia article is in some way for the benefit of its subject. It is not, except incidentally. Please see PROUD for how wrong that idea can be, in some cases. ColinFine (talk) 16:40, 20 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

15:16, 19 October 2023 review of submission by ChoudharySamrat

Kindly check the article I have one new reference for notability ChoudharySamrat (talk) 15:16, 19 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

added new reference to the article ChoudharySamrat (talk) 15:17, 19 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

15:30, 19 October 2023 review of submission by Sidharthsnair

But these are the only sources I could find on the page Draft:HERONICS_Series Sidharthsnair (talk) 15:30, 19 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Which is why the draft was rejected, and as such will not be considered further. The sources are just not there at this time. 331dot (talk) 15:38, 19 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

15:40, 19 October 2023 review of submission by ChoudharySamrat

kindly refer to the other source I have mentioned in the references section please help if I'm missing something ChoudharySamrat (talk) 15:40, 19 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@ChoudharySamrat As the draft has been rejected, you will now need to appeal directly to the rejecting review and try and show this person passes the WP:NPEOPLE notability criteria. Qcne (talk) 19:12, 19 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I have looked the Wikipedia:Notability (Academic) and it does passes the criteria for notability in point number 6 of WP:NACADEMIC as the person has a role of Vice-Chancellor of the Institute ChoudharySamrat (talk) 07:14, 20 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@ChoudharySamrat I am not sure if he does pass #6, as I am not sure if ICFAI University, Tripura counts as a "major institution". I see you have re-submitted it, though, this paragraph is written in an inappropriate way: "Dr. Biplab Halder is a distinguished individual who has served as a National Advisory Committee Member in a notable capacity. His contributions and expertise have made a significant impact in his field". Please re-phrase to conform with WP:NPOV. Qcne (talk) 18:36, 20 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

16:00, 19 October 2023 review of submission by Zahwa Jameel

Hey there editors.

This is my first time trying to publish an article. Please help me out and show me where I'm going wrong. I tried my best and still got rejection Zahwa Jameel (talk) 16:00, 19 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia is not a place to merely tell about something and what it does. An article must summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about the subject, showing how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of notability. "Significant coverage" is that which goes into detail about what the source sees as important/significant/influential about the subject- it doesn't just document its existence, tell what it does, or briefly mention it. Please read Your First Article.
You also used highly promotional language("the driving force"; "professional journey", etc.) which needs to be removed. If you are associated with this subject(paid or unpaid), that needs to be disclosed. 331dot (talk) 16:16, 19 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
You should add links to other Wikipedia articles and because there are so many programming languages in the list I would recommend putting them in a paragraph form. You should also have at least one reference per paragraph. KingTheD (talk) 16:27, 19 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

17:12, 19 October 2023 review of submission by Soroudh

Hello, I have prepared more than 35 reliable sources throughout the internet for my article from different websites. I avoid personal websites or organizations. I only use reliable newspapers and news agencies like the Guardian, the Tehran Times, and others like that. However, my translation of a Persian article has been rejected due to a lack of reliable sources. I have seen articles on Wikipedia about people who had less than 1 source and that source is the person's private website. Could you please help me or give me any hints? Thanks Soroudh (talk) 17:12, 19 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Soroudh Please see other stuff exists. Wikipedia has many inappropriate articles that have gotten past us. We can only address what we know about. If you would like to help us, you can identify these other inappropriate articles you have seen for possible action. We need the help.
Note that what is acceptable on the Persian Wikipedia is not necessarily acceptable here, as the two projects are separate.
It's not a lack of sources that is the problem, but the ones provided do not seem to be reliable. I would suggest asking the reviewer directly for clarification. 331dot (talk) 17:31, 19 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

19:09, 19 October 2023 review of submission by Avenging soldier

Hello, what is the reason why you did not allow my article to be published? Do you not have a problem that innocent people's lives are taken? Avenging soldier (talk) 19:09, 19 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Avenging soldier Wikipedia is not to be used to host your personal essays. Please carefully read What Wikipedia is Not. Qcne (talk) 19:11, 19 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]


October 20

00:50, 20 October 2023 review of submission by Snvrk

An editor said I don't have enough sources. I need help proving that this article is actually authentic. Snvrk (talk) 00:50, 20 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Snvrk, not authentic, notable there is a difference. No one is claiming you lied about anything in the draft about yourself we simply said you did not prove anyone else has written about you in reliable independent source in any significant way. All your sources are connected to you which makes it seem like only you have noticed yourself. McMatter (talk)/(contrib) 00:54, 20 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
You have no references. KingTheD (talk) 01:34, 20 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Snvrk You also have to disclose that your writing about yourself KingTheD (talk) 01:40, 20 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
how to add that? Snvrk (talk) 01:55, 20 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
the autobiography part or whatever it is called on wikipedia Snvrk (talk) 01:56, 20 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
nevermind, i've done it Snvrk (talk) 02:01, 20 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Snvrk Social media accounts can’t be used as sources on Wikipedia. KingTheD (talk) 02:36, 20 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

03:17, 20 October 2023 review of submission by IVickyChoudhary

He's a famous bollywood movie director, still unable to create valid article for him. So requesting fellow and senior contributors to help and improve the draft so it can be published. iVickyChoudhary (talk) 03:17, 20 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@IVickyChoudhary: unlikely anyone here at the help desk will get involved in editing; you may wish to raise this at some of the WikiProjects, esp. India and Film. That said, if you cannot find sufficient sources to show notability, then perhaps the subject simply isn't notable enough? -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 05:47, 20 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I mentioned many of reliable sources (news articles from mainstream media properly based on this person) still why it's not eligible ? iVickyChoudhary (talk) 11:30, 20 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

08:07, 20 October 2023 review of submission by Martha1

Reviewer TimTrent declined this article because I used copyright material -- it was my own copyright -- I wrote the obituary in the paper that I quoted. Unfortunately, i couldn't figure out how to give my permission for its use in wikipedia --So I changed the wikipedia article to get rid of the copyright material.. (I still footnoted the source.) Is there anything more I should do? I am really not very good at this -- I promise I won't try to write another article. However, I have put a lot of work into this one and want to know what to do to get it published. Will TimTrent get back to me when he can or has the article been cancelled? Advice would be appreciated. Thanks. Martha1 (talk) 08:07, 20 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The draft may be resubmitted. If you have contacted TimTrent I'm sure he will get back to you. 331dot (talk) 08:42, 20 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
See donating copyrighted materials for information on donating text for use in Wikipedia- though original text is preferred. 331dot (talk) 08:43, 20 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

09:15, 20 October 2023 review of submission by M1-sh283h1

I am unsure as to why my article was declined, a very generic reason was give and I am not sure how to improve or edit the article - any advice or guidance would be most appreciated. M1-sh283h1 (talk) 09:15, 20 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@M1-sh283h1: my guess would be that it was rejected (not 'declined') because it isn't a viable draft for an encyclopaedia article.
BTW, do you have some involvement with Shoppp3D? -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 11:54, 20 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

09:22, 20 October 2023 review of submission by Angiemcc2023

I have created this draft and have mentioned it all in shot terms. Can I get help to improve it and add the details that are required to submit the draft again? 

Angiemcc2023 (talk) 09:22, 20 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Angiemcc2023: the onus is on you to create the draft and find the necessary sources etc., we don't get involved in draft creation here at the help desk. If you have specific questions about the process, you're welcome to ask those. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 11:56, 20 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

14:39, 20 October 2023 review of submission by MoltenSalts02

Hello, I recently submitted this draft that was declined almost immediately for not providing reliable sources. I tried to follow this guide as best I could: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Academic_Journals/Writing_guide

Could someone help give me some feedback so that I can improve the draft? Thank you MoltenSalts02 (talk) 14:39, 20 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

All of your references are from the publisher of the journal; an article must primarily summarize what independent reliable sources say about the subject. See WP:NJOURNAL about what makes a journal notable and how you can show it. 331dot (talk) 14:50, 20 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@MoltenSalts02: my guess (and it is only that) is that because all the citations are to the publisher's own website, the reviewer felt that this wasn't sufficient to verify the information. You can only use close primary sources to support entirely non-contentious statements, such as the name of the editor, or the frequency of publication. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 14:51, 20 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. ColinFine (talk) 16:44, 20 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

14:49, 20 October 2023 review of submission by Sadid Lailuma

Dear yours, the text that I sent to be published on Wikipedia is my biography. As a public person, I consider it as interesting for many people. Would you be so kind as to advise me on how should I modify my text to become acceptable to be published? I'm already registered and I have a Wikipedia username and password for a while. Sadid Lailuma (talk) 14:49, 20 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Sadid Lailuma The only content you submited in the draft was your name, but Wikipedia is not a place to publish your biography. Wikipedia is interested in what independent reliable sources say about a person, not what they want to say about themselves. Please read the autobiography policy. 331dot (talk) 14:52, 20 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Sadid Lailuma: you asked about this already yesterday, and I said that just writing your name is not a viable article draft. That's beside the bigger point that you shouldn't be writing about yourself in the first place. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 14:53, 20 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Sadid Lailuma You seem to be ignoring what we are writing here, and creating new sections of this page with every comment. Please read and edit this existing section. 331dot (talk) 15:03, 20 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

20:00, 20 October 2023 review of submission by KfcClash

why my draft was rejected? KfcClash (talk) 20:00, 20 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This is an encyclopaedia, not a place to put the biographies of non-notable Youtubers on. Qcne (talk) 20:07, 20 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
ok. still there are alot of youtubers that have wikipedia pages and there is a question in the send draft for review to choose the most appropriate category and one of the options is "Biography of a living person" KfcClash (talk) 20:12, 20 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Firstly, people must meet the WP:NPEOPLE criteria in order for an article to be written about them. Your draft did not prove this YouTuber met that criteria. Secondly, biographies of living people have exceedingly strict referencing requirements. Your draft had no references other than a link to his channel. Qcne (talk) 20:16, 20 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
ok thank you. KfcClash (talk) 20:18, 20 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Why on earth did you re-submit it? It was rejected. Don't do that again. Qcne (talk) 20:58, 20 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]


October 21

00:12, 21 October 2023 review of submission by CooperRiverRunner

After an article is reviewed/declined and then resubmitted, does it get any priority for a second review or does the process start all over again at the beginning? The first draft took nearly two months to be reviewed. CooperRiverRunner (talk) 00:12, 21 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

CooperRiverRunner I fixed your link for proper display; the whole url is not needed. Resubmissions are treated no differently than initial submissions. Reviews are conducted by a limited number of volunteers in no particular order. Please be patient. 331dot (talk) 00:19, 21 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Two months is actually pretty good; the current backlog is four months, and that's really just an average. 331dot (talk) 00:20, 21 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@CooperRiverRunner: this isn't a direct answer to your question, and may not be what you want to hear, but I'll say it anyway. You would make the reviewer's job easier, thereby possibly encouraging a quicker review, if you were to cut down some of the content (including references – 53 sources, really?!). The 'High School Career' section is already longer than many athletes' entire articles. And in the 'College Career' 2023 section, do we really need to know the blow-by-blow account of her every competitive run this year? Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia, not a log of everything someone has done; it would be better (not just for the reviewer, but more to the point for the future reader) if you focused on the truly important and noteworthy things, those that are likely to be remarkable still in ten year's time, rather than trying to cover every detail. As it stands, you're tempting the reviewer to just decline this for the easiest reason they come across, which probably would be insufficient citations (with much of the biographical information unreferenced, in violation of the WP:BLP rules). HTH, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 05:41, 21 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

07:34, 21 October 2023 review of submission by Waqar ul Aziz Khan

we want to create a bio page of Waqar Khan, Forex Expert but it is rejected. What is its solution. Waqar ul Aziz Khan (talk) 07:34, 21 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Waqar ul Aziz Khan: we don't have "bio pages", we have encyclopaedia articles about topics which are deemed notable. There is no evidence of notability in this draft, which is why it has been rejected. And rejection means there is no "solution"; this is the end of the road.
In any case, you should not be writing about yourself; see WP:AUTOBIO. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 07:38, 21 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

10:55, 21 October 2023 review of submission by Nurul.easn

for accepting my article Nurul.easn (talk) 10:55, 21 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Your draft was rejected, meaning that it will not be considered further. 331dot (talk) 10:57, 21 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

11:30, 21 October 2023 review of submission by SkylerClock

The page doesn't actually promote any kinds of things SkylerClock (talk) 11:30, 21 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@SkylerClock your draft has been rejected and will soon be deleted. You also vandalised the Voting page, which is prohibited. I have undone your vandalism. Qcne (talk) 11:32, 21 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Every single sentence is promotional, correctly rejected and tagged for speedy deletion. Theroadislong (talk) 11:33, 21 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

13:47, 21 October 2023 review of submission by 2A00:23C6:CE0F:6D01:A422:9C2:F51F:3416

New article rejection, as Asgog Castle is a historical place and is currently part of Asgog Loch article, Asgog Castle CANNOT be listed in Categories on its own merit?

That is why I submitted for Asgog Castle to have its own article. 

2A00:23C6:CE0F:6D01:A422:9C2:F51F:3416 (talk) 13:47, 21 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
It may be possible to have a separate article on the castle, but you need to show that it is notable either by WP:GNG or WP:NBUILD. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 13:54, 21 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I would suggest a castle recorded in 1581 is notable, it was besieged and eventually destroyed by Clan Campbell in 1646! The castle deserves its own article, so it can be listed in Wikipedia articles in its own right, which is impossible as part of Asgog Loch article.. 2A00:23C6:CE0F:6D01:A422:9C2:F51F:3416 (talk) 14:06, 21 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
You may well suggest that, and you could even prove right, but nevertheless we don't determine notability by endorsement. Provide reliable sources showing that this meets either GNG or NBUILD, and then you're welcome to resubmit. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 14:19, 21 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Have added more refs, including historic environment Scotand, designation LB12082 2A00:23C6:CE0F:6D01:A422:9C2:F51F:3416 (talk) 14:24, 21 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The content appears to have been copied from Asgog Loch without attribution? Theroadislong (talk) 14:29, 21 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
If historic environment Scotland think Castle Asgog is notable enough to give a designation, but Wikipedia editors know better, I give up! 2A00:23C6:CE0F:6D01:A422:9C2:F51F:3416 (talk) 14:36, 21 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nobody is saying it's not notable? Theroadislong (talk) 14:48, 21 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

15:22, 21 October 2023 review of submission by Dwanyewest

Does anyone think this article is ready to submitted for review. I think it has enough sources to justify a Wikipedia article. Dwanyewest (talk) 15:22, 21 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Dwanyewest, the key to success in writing a Wikipedia article is providing references to reliable, independent sources that devote significant coverage to the topic. What I am seeing are statistics pages and passing mentions, plus one local newspaper article about her athletics and academics in high school. Her claim to notability is as a professional soccer player, not as a good student and good athlete in high school. There are literally millions of such people. Where is the significant coverage devoted to her as a professional athlete? Cullen328 (talk) 06:53, 22 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

16:15, 21 October 2023 review of submission by 103.150.206.94

What my fault? Please tell me to I fix them and iam also on wikipedia plz accept my submission 103.150.206.94 (talk) 16:15, 21 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This has been rejected as non-notable, time to drop it and move on. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 16:17, 21 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

21:04, 21 October 2023 review of submission by OliverRoads

My draft has been rejected due to a lack of reliable sources. I have done my best to include sources, and it looks OK to me, so can somebody explain where I am going wrong? OliverRoads (talk) 21:04, 21 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@OliverRoads: your draft was declined (not rejected) because half the sources (Blogspot, Discogs) are user-generated and therefore not considered reliable. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 06:05, 22 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]


October 22

00:11, 22 October 2023 review of submission by TheCuratedConsumerJoshua

I am having trouble getting correct citation practices down. I have read and rearead, The guideline at WP:ILC and the tutorial is at WP:INTREFVE. I am still having some disconnect with creating the proper authoritative sources. If anyone has any advise or recommendations I would be very appreciative for the support! TheCuratedConsumerJoshua (talk) 00:11, 22 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

TheCuratedConsumerJoshua. Wikipedia already has an article, Greetings Tour, which does not even mention the Bend mural. I fail to see why the Bend mural requires its own separate article when it can be mentioned in the main article. Your draft currently has eight references, and six of them do not even mention the Bend mural and are therefore of zero value in establishing the notability of the Bend mural. The other two are clearly based on press releases and interviews with the artists, and are therefore not independent sources and do not establish the notability of the Bend mural. I recommend that you abandon your draft, and instead focus your efforts on improving and expanding Greetings Tour, which has not had substantive content edits for several years. Cullen328 (talk) 04:24, 22 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

05:48, 22 October 2023 review of submission by Crystal S. Brown

What do I do to put my information out in the world? I am getting an error stating double gazing, prolimic??? Crystal S. Brown (talk) 05:48, 22 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Crystal S. Brown: I rejected this draft, because it is not suitable for inclusion in an encyclopaedia. It starts with "How deeply is the overturning of Roe V. Wade going to affect women of color?" – posing a question like that is the hallmark of an essay. And it is polemic, arguing a particular point of view: "In closing, we as women, at the core should have the right to choose the decisions we make with our bodies."
You can express your opinions on any number of blogging, social media, etc. platforms. However, Wikipedia is not the place to "put [your] information out in the world". -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 06:00, 22 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Crystal S. Brown, I agree with DoubleGrazing. Your draft bears little resemblance to a neutrally written encyclopedia article. Cullen328 (talk) 06:28, 22 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

06:27, 22 October 2023 review of submission by Jrmango

I have been trying to write this page, but people have said the sources don't meed the Notability guidelines, but I can't seem to find sources that can, and the wording is kind of unclear. Jrmango (talk) 06:27, 22 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Jrmango: what "people" have said that? It doesn't look like this has been reviewed, or have you made your previous attempts under a different account or IP? -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 06:31, 22 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Jrmango, Wikipedia is not an instruction manual, and content like If you like this song, and would like to play it yourself, I must warn you that it is extermely difficult to find sheet music for it. A plain Google search yields almost nothing for it. is completely inappropriate for this encyclopedia. Wikipedia editors never address our readers directly. and never use the word "I" in Wikipedia's voice. You need to provide references to independent, reliable sources that provide significant coverage of the song itself, not coverage of the movie that the song is a part of. Cullen328 (talk) 06:39, 22 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

12:50, 22 October 2023 review of submission by Jopje dropje

I've been rejected multiple times by the same moderator for "not going in-depth enough". i think this is completely false, as i've made the complete documentation, explaination on how to download / use and reerences to the only original source i could find. also, i quite literally have the original creator of the programming language and the writer of the only source of information (Github page) sitting right next to me reviewing what i do. there are no other resources i could possibly link, and i've quite literally listed all information there is Jopje dropje (talk) 12:50, 22 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Jopje dropje: firstly, from what I can see, it looks like the draft was declined once, resubmitted immediately without any improvement, and then rejected. Not sure that counts as "rejected multiple times".
This draft has no evidence that the subject is notable. And based on what you say, it seems that absence of evidence on this occasion really is evidence of absence. We don't want to hear what the developers or others closely associated with the subject have to say about it, we need to see significant coverage in multiple independent and reliable secondary sources; GitHub meets none of those criteria. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 12:58, 22 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
then your system must be broken. i've quite literally made multiple changes to it after the first review, including a section going in-depth about the installation and what to do when you want to compile the source code. as for the significant coverage, pages like github are quite literally the only way to get significant coverage in the world of programming. Jopje dropje (talk) 13:03, 22 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Jopje dropje, Wikipedia is an encyclopedia for notable topics, not for writing about or promoting your own pet projects. KylieTastic (talk) 13:03, 22 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
first of all, didn't wikipedia start off as a pet project, contracting nerds to do work for them without pay? second of all, how is an in-depth wiki about all the features and abilities of a sophisticated programming language, made by multiple people a "promotion"? that's like saying a cooking recipe is a promotion for the vedgetables shown in the picture Jopje dropje (talk) 13:09, 22 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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