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Semi-protected edit request on 1 May 2023

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Background/Evidence Hi! In the Etymology section, under Spelling, source #123 is cited for the line "In 1925, the American Chemical Society adopted this spelling"[In reference to Aluminum vs Aluminium]. Source #123, unfortunately, is not primary, nor does it cite a primary source. Source #129 makes a similar claim about the ACS 1925 thing, but is also A) Secondary, and B) Sourceless.

After doing my own digging, I have found the *actual* earliest use of 'Aluminum' by the ACS: in it's 7th issue, published in June 1879. After this, the ACS frequently accepts both -ium and -um, with, as far as I could find, no official publication on which it deems the 'official' spelling. In fact, the 1925 date seems like it might be made up anyway. The final use of Aluminium that I could find in the ACS journal database was in July of 1917.

So, even if some sort of decree was made in 1925 making -um the official alumin-suffix of the ACS, it was symbolic at the point anyway.

Requested Edit: Change this portion:

> By 1890, both spellings had been common in the United States, the -ium spelling being slightly more common; by 1895, the situation had reversed; by 1900, aluminum had become twice as common as aluminium; in the next decade, the -um spelling dominated American usage. In 1925, the American Chemical Society adopted this spelling.[123]

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> By 1890, both spellings had been common in the United States, the -ium spelling being slightly more common; by 1895, the situation had reversed; by 1900, aluminum had become twice as common as aluminium. The final use of aluminium by the American Chemical Society was in 1917 ^[1] Fordfraipont (talk) 18:58, 1 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Not done for now: Contrary to your expectation, we prefer secondary sources and avoid original interpretation of primary sources on Wikipedia, even quite trivial interpretation! If you can find a secondary or tertiary source that supports the 1917 date, please link it and reopen this request. small jars tc 16:33, 4 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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^ "THE ACTION OF ANHYDROUS ALUMINIUM CHLORIDE UPON UNSATURATED ORGANIC COMPOUNDS. II". Journal of the American Chemical Society. 39 (7). 1 July 1917. Retrieved 1 May 2023.

Spellings

Do we say aluminium or aluminum? Adipy (talk) 19:26, 13 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

People generally pronounce it the way it is spelt where they live (i.e. "aluminum" in the USA and sometimes in Canada, "aluminium" everywhere else). Black Kite (talk) 19:44, 13 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 19 October 2023

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Change
> aluminum: /əˈlumənəm/

to:
> aluminum: /əˈluːmənəm/

Reason: Help:IPA/English specifically states that /u/ occurs only in unstressed positions. 2A00:1FA0:88F:AC2D:0:49:9156:3001 (talk) 21:17, 19 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Done Philroc (talk) 08:27, 23 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

[1] "THE ACTION OF ANHYDROUS ALUMINIUM CHLORIDE UPON UNSATURATED ORGANIC COMPOUNDS. II". Journal of the American Chemical Society. 39 (7). 1 July 1917. Retrieved 1 May 2023.

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