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Cardinals–Mets rivalry

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These two teams are not historical rivals. There's a lack of historical coverage to justify the article's existence. The information found in this article can be found elsewhere. Nemov (talk) 15:13, 28 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Baseball, Missouri, and New York. Nemov (talk) 15:13, 28 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete This article does not demonstrate a "rivalry". It is a history of matchups between the Cardinals and Mets. Similar pages could be created for all possible MLB matchup histories. With the exception of genuine rivalries, these articles would be WP:FANCRUFT and WP:ROUTINE coverage. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:34, 28 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
What constitutes a genuine rivalry? There are a few sources in the article that call it a rivalry. I am not a huge baseball guy so I could be missing something. ULPS ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:01, 28 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I wouldn't consider any of the sources in the article to be from reliable sources, as they are mainly blogs or from unreputable websites, but that is just me. Let'srun (talk) 18:14, 28 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
What's wrong with the WSJ and KSDK articles? ULPS ^{(talk • contribs)} 20:07, 28 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with @ULPS, there is definitely enough history and reputable source coverage of said history between the Mets and Cardinals to call it rivalry, and that is coming from a guy who is big baseball fan. 76.117.162.190 (talk) 21:00, 29 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. The sources are a mix of ROUTINE or unreliable. Outside of what's in the article, this is the only thing I could find that is remotely close to GNG are this one: [1]. Everything else is FNACRUFT. Conyo14 (talk) 20:00, 28 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: There does seem to be some coverage of this rivalry from pre-2000, as seen in [[2]], [[3]], [[4]] (part 1), [[5]] (part 2), [[6]] (part 1), [[7]] (part 2), and [[8]]. Would like to hear what others think, but I think there is enough GNG level coverage here. Let'srun (talk) 15:47, 29 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Per WP:NOPAGE there's very little included in this article that's not in other articles. This section on the New York Mets article pretty much sums it up. There's very little reason for a separate article other than WP:FANCRUFT. Nemov (talk) 17:58, 29 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep This article is well written and details important moments in Mets-Cardinals history. A rivalry is implied by a storied and tense history, which these teams undoubtedly have with each other. If anything, it needs to be updated to include more recent developments in this rivalry, such as the brawl between the two teams on April 27, 2022.76.117.162.190 (talk) 20:54, 29 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]