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Scientelensia
Scientelensia is given a logged, only warning for disruption in the PIA topic area. Any further comments like the ones at issue here, or other PIA disruption, may lead to a topic ban, block, or other sanction without further warning. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (they|xe|she) 19:35, 28 October 2023 (UTC) |
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This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below. Request concerning Scientelensia
Scientelensia has been accusing multiple users of bias/prejudice, which is uncivil and is very much against WP:AGF.
I advised them to strike their comments, but Scientelensia ignored me and continued calling users biased.
And then resumed calling users biased
Edit: Re Iskandar323, I’m confused by your comment. You said I didn’t speak with Scientelensia, yet my conversation with them, where I advised them to strike their comments, as well as their response, is included in this filing. Not only that, you linked to it in your post where you tagged Nableezy. Edit:Iskandar323, I recommend reading through that thread you’re linking to, as well as the admin warning of a boomerang. Edit: Nableezy, can you explain why you’re linking to an outdated diff that was very quickly struck/clarified within about 10 minutes? Doing so is very misleading.Drsmoo (talk) 15:41, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
Discussion concerning ScientelensiaStatements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Statement by ScientelensiaYou can see my innocence from the excerpts; I have tried to contribute positively but this user has brought me into a needless situation. I would in fact call into question the user (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#Drsmoo_and_WP:BATTLEGROUND_behaviour) who reported me and their actions. Also, if you actually view the contents of the diffs, you can see that I am actually right although I know now I should not have said so. The stuff the opposing people on there were saying was much worse: I have been taken out of context (!). Context will prove that I have only been trying to do good. See the talk page on the ‘genocide against Palestinians’ to see this. People are always going to argue on Wikipedia, but by impassioned discussion the best result can be produced. I believe everyone has a bias, and if I can discern people’s I will say so. Once people overcome their prejudices editing is easier. I obviously have bias too as everyone does, so if they tell me it is only for my benefit, regardless of the way in which it is said. I suspect that Drsmoo’s annoyance with me is the product of our different stances on how to run the page. Drsmoo has perhaps been engaging in off-putting and hypocritical editing for some time (e.g. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikiquette_assistance/archive76), though this may be a significant stretch. Glances at the talk page and SJ’s talk page show that I have been acting in a good and productive manner. I take Seraphimblade’s comments and will learn from them. On Kathy Hochul, user Muboshgu says I have a “pro-Palestinian bias”. Firstly, by the rules which have just been explained to me, one should not say these things. Secondly, I used a reliable source and this is what it said. Just because an affair in one side, does not always mean it is biased. In the source, there is nothing to say that Hochul said bad things about Israeli Americans: just because the sentence was not in favour of Israelis, does not mean that there was an unfair bias against them. That the content was re-added suggests that it was useful and relevant and unbiased and that a consensus was reached on this, and thus that the revert was unnecessary and even plain wrong. I strongly reject the unfair characterisation that I am biased. Since I first saw the page on the alleged genocide, I have tried hard to maintain a stance of neutrality where others have not. For instance, I was the one who added these sourced sentences: “The characterization has been rejected by many, but not all, Israelis.”, “Some Israelis reject the characterization of genocide, saying such accusations are antisemitic.”. I also modified the phrase “Both Israel and Palestine frequently accuse the other of planning a scheme of genocide.” I also added a rejection of characterisation section which was removed. I have also made sure that it was clear that it was not an official genocide by using language such as ‘argues’, ‘claim’, ‘belief’, ‘characterisation’ and ‘seems’: “Genocide against Palestinians is a characterization of the Israeli–Palestinian conflict which argues that Israel has carried out and/or is carrying out some kind of genocide against the Palestinian population, sometimes related to the view that Israel is a settler colonial state. The view also includes the belief that the system with which Israel governs the Palestinians is one of racial segregation and apartheid. The characterization has been rejected by many, but not all, Israelis.” Neutrality has always been important to me, which is probably why I pointed out people’s biases, though this was wrong. My conduct on the talk pages may have been wrong on parts yet I am willing to make amends and I believe that I have never contributed badly or destructively in this topic. So while users such as User: Muboshgu will call me biased and others such as User:HJ Mitchell will find this concerning, I refute this strongly. If anything, I believe that throughout the page’s construction, others, possibly including the person who referred me here (hypocrite anyone https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/1180084227?), have been acting very much worse than me with more one-sided edits and wild accusations such as ‘blood libel’ (can’t remember who that was) in the talk page. I feel that in receiving a punishment I am the victim of a collective punishment. This is wrong. I admit I was naive when I received a harsh (as admitted by the person who gave it to me) GENSEX ban, and it is in my opinion wrong to bring it into the result. Please hear my case. Edit: sorry if my statement is too long, this was not intended.
Yes, I have done some wrong but looking on the Genocide against Palestinians page you can see that others who are not being punished our doing much worse. I’m anxious of a result and quite unhappy as I believe I deserve another chance and believe that the user who referred me here may also be in the wrong (see all the statements above). Please read my statement… Scientelensia (talk) 20:53, 17 October 2023 (UTC) Moved from uninvolved admins' section. Threaded discussion is not permitted at AE, please comment only in this section. Seraphimblade Talk to me 20:59, 17 October 2023 (UTC) Statement by Iskandar323First off, yes. Scientelensia would do well do curb their accusations of bias. We all have bias, we all know it (hopefully), and though this is plainly obvious, constantly accusing other editors of bias does not adhere to AGF or general principles of civility and is a distraction from the activity of actually editing. At the same time, I find it disheartening that Drsmoo would raise this AE just two months after being cautioned in an extremely similar filing Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement/Archive321#Nishidani. Drsmoo also does not appear to have attempted to have a single conversation with the accused on their talk prior to this AE filing. It is worth noting that most of these comments by the accused come in the context of one of several fraught discussions at Talk:Genocide against Palestinians, where the editor that launched the thread spoke of "blatant Hamas propaganda", in which context it is rather obvious that the discussion is awash with bias, with hardly a need to mention it. As noted here by Nableezy, what Drsmoo has avoided mentioning is the rather extreme tone of the discussions on the page, with claims of antisemitism and blood libel letting fly in all directions. This does not mitigate the point that personal accusations of bias are to be avoided, but the context here is an exceptionally bias-fraught discussion. The user, who is relatively new, and I believe very new to the space, just needs to internalize their thoughts here and allow the transparent bias is such topic areas to speak for itself without the need to descend to commentary on individual editors. The issue here is a mundane behavioural one that could have been addressed at ANI and may require a slap on the wrist, but it does not rise to the level of an AE-worthy prosecution. Iskandar323 (talk) 07:53, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
Statement by nableezyThat entire talk page is full of accusations of racism, blood libel (!), antisemitism, and bias. Drsmoo said he did not see those instances, which kind of surprises me as he responded in a thread that opened with an accusation it was made (by Buidhe for the record) in "abuse of power in order to manipulate public opinion regarding current Israel-Hamas war. Raises serious concerns regarding potential political motives that seeks to legitimize Hamas actions against Israelis." All users should focus on the article content, but this selective outrage is just too much. Given something like this remains on the talk page with no admonishment to be found. Oh and, eyeroll emoji. nableezy - 15:14, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
Statement by MuboshguI just reverted an edit by this user exhibiting their pro-Palestinian bias on Kathy Hochul.[1] They may not be able to participate in Israeli/Palestinian articles and discussions on Wikipedia. – Muboshgu (talk) 04:48, 17 October 2023 (UTC) Comment by A Quest for KnowledgeTo play devil's advocate, Scientelensia is a somewhat(?) new editor who made their first edit on November 13 of last year.[2] It's possible that they don't understand things like WP:AGF and that they should address article content, not editor's conduct or suspected motivations. Perhaps a warning and an explanation of why their conduct was lacking might be in order? (That's assuming that they are willing to listen and learn.) A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 13:34, 17 October 2023 (UTC) Statement by SelfstudierLess of the bias stuff would be good. Afaics, the edit referred to by Muboshgu has been reintroduced and is not something I would get overly excited about on its own. As for being provocative take a look at the filer here. A warning is sufficient I think. Selfstudier (talk) 13:36, 17 October 2023 (UTC) Result concerning Scientelensia
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Arbitration enforcement action appeal by AtypicalPhantom
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- Appealing user
- AtypicalPhantom (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) –
- Sanction being appealed
- Indefinite block for frequent ECR violations, WP:NOTAFORUM violations [3]
- Administrator imposing the sanction
- ScottishFinnishRadish (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA)
- Notification of that administrator
- I know, I copied this over for them. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 01:55, 28 October 2023 (UTC)
Statement by AtypicalPhantom
Hello. It seems I have been permanently banned from editing Wikipedia because of my conduct in the Israel-Hamas conflict page. I am not sure what got me banned specifically, but I would like some transparency if possible. I don't make inflammatory comments, and my last comment was to 0300 objective. I was merely adding context to his comment which in of itself was pretty inflammatory. I see multiple users on that talk page, specifically 0300 objective, who are openly pushing their agenda rather harshly, and I obviously have a pro-Israel lean, but I am respectful with my comments. Having a nuanced discussion is integral to Wikipedia. My comment was to shed light on what was a misunderstanding. With that said, if anything I have said is overtly disallowed, I accept that, and I apologize. I can still contribute meaningfully to Wikipedia and I can exclude myself from the Israel-Hamas conflict page. I would like for the adjudicators to reevaluate my ban. If you come to the same conclusion after reevaluating my activity, you can ban me from discussing this topic, but at least grant me the opportunity to contribute to other articles.AtypicalPhantom (talk) 00:23, 28 October 2023 (UTC)
Copied from their talk page per their request here and here. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 01:53, 28 October 2023 (UTC)
- If it is possible to reply to the admin, I want to say that it isn't true that I am not here to create an encyclopedia. My account is recent, but it predates 10/7. I have niche interests and I had a plan to create several new scientific articles. It's just that the recent conflict sucked up most of my time. AtypicalPhantom (talk) 15:31, 28 October 2023 (UTC)
Statement by ScottishFinnishRadish
I probably could have gone with a NOTHERE block and avoided this, but since most of the edits were in ARBPIA I went with that. [4] [5] shows the caliber of edits we're dealing with. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 02:09, 28 October 2023 (UTC)
- Infinity Knight, in the past 6 hours there have been 7 non-ec editors, one of which is already blocked as a sock, who have edited Talk:2023 Israel–Hamas war. How much time should be spent on each of these editors to help them learn to edit a topic area they are prohibited from editing? At this point there is far too much unconstructive editing by non-ec accounts to attempt to mentor each of them. Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Palestine-Israel articles 3#At wit's end is the finding of fact that led to these draconian sanctions. Rampant socking and uncontrollable disruptive editing have led to this point. I would love to try spend the time to help these editors, but given the opportunity cost I think preventing disruption by enforcing the existing sanction is the best bet. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 20:10, 28 October 2023 (UTC)
Statement by Objective3000 (involved?)
Only commenting as I was mentioned by the appealing user. I endorse the block. But I personally don’t have a problem with an A-I TBan for AtypicalPhantom, perhaps after a cooling off period and assuming they see the problem. I say this despite their comment: specifically 0300 objective, who are openly pushing their agenda rather harshly
which is interesting considering my Jewish heritage. My agenda is follow WP policies. I like the idea of a Talk:2023 Israel–Hamas war/Edit requests page if ECPing the TP is not implemented. Never seen so many one edit users enter a discussion. And I thought AP2 was bad. O3000, Ret. (talk) 20:33, 28 October 2023 (UTC)
- @AtypicalPhantom: I realize that you are new but I should add that if you reference someone at AE, particularly in a less than complimentary fashion, you should ping them. O3000, Ret. (talk) 22:22, 28 October 2023 (UTC)
Statement by (involved editor 2)
Discussion among uninvolved editors about the appeal by AtypicalPhantom
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Statement by (uninvolved editor Infinity Knight)
Was pointed to this discussion here. When it comes to the dilemma of viewing newcomers as a "waste of editors' time," my preference is for administrators to give the "let's provide them with guidance" approach a shot. If we start seeing new editors as a time sink, how's the topic area ever gonna draw in any new contributors? Infinity Knight (talk) 19:43, 28 October 2023 (UTC)
- Thank you for reply. I hopped into this discussion after I spotted an IP contributor who provided a valuable reference, but later, the IP was struck out. I get that the current approach saves time, but it makes me wonder how the topic area will ever attract new contributors. Infinity Knight (talk) 20:25, 28 October 2023 (UTC)
- So, the admin who's doing the blocking might seem to be commenting on both how folks are behaving and whether the content, like using a certain image, is cool or not. Is this like a regular thing they do? It kind of looks like the way things are going right now might be eating up a lot of the community's time instead of just helping out newcomers. Infinity Knight (talk) 15:31, 30 October 2023 (UTC)
Statement by Hemiauchenia
I endorse the block and I don't think the appeal is enough to remove it. While the disruption by non-autoconfirmed and to a lesser extent non ECP users is significantly reduced than it was when the 7 day semi-protection was implemented on the 16 October, largely due to the decrease in viewers as the war progresses, I wouldn't oppose semi-protecting the page again, especially if there is an uptick in commenters following the Israel ground offensive. Hemiauchenia (talk) 20:30, 28 October 2023 (UTC)
Statement by (uninvolved editor 3)
Result of the appeal by AtypicalPhantom
- This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the sections above.
- Non-constructive comments are not covered by the talkpage exception to ARBECR, and several of AP's comments were non-constructive, so this is a valid exercise of admin discretion. It's harsh, but that talkpage is a nightmare and this user is clearly NOTHERE, so, harsh but valid.On that note, I think we're overdue for elevated sanctions on Talk:2023 Israel–Hamas war. I'm tempted to ECP it for a few months, but there's some helpful edit requests coming in. Maybe ECP it but create a Talk:2023 Israel–Hamas war/Edit requests, where non-EC users are confined to their own sections? -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (they|xe|she) 03:25, 28 October 2023 (UTC)
- I don't think many users would find that page easily, even if linked. In my experience most get to the edit request through trying to edit the page, and I don't know if we can redirect that workflow. Perhaps a large notice that any non-constructive edits or NOTAFORUM violations will result in an immediate one month block from the talk page? No one will read it, but at least we'll have tried. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 03:30, 28 October 2023 (UTC)
- Actually, after a moment of reconsideration, maybe that would help separate the wheat from the chaff. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 03:33, 28 October 2023 (UTC)
- Yeah, that's sort of my thinking. Some less-motivated non-ECs failing to find the request page would probably be a net-positive. That said, the workflow could be redirected if we wanted by adding a special case option to line 57 of Special:Edit/Template:Protected page text. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (they|xe|she) 03:58, 28 October 2023 (UTC)
- That talk page is a dumpster fire, but the dumpster fire isn't going anywhere. It'll die down when the conflict does and reignite somewhere else later. The Arab-Israeli conflict on Wikipedia heats and cools with the real-life conflict; you can correlate headline-grabbing moments in the conflict's history almost exactly with the AE log. I remember having similar conversation around the Gaza flotilla raid in 2010 and that's just history now. We may just have to ride out the storm and deal with the inevitable disruption case by case. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 17:50, 28 October 2023 (UTC)
- I think a big difference between these situations is the project-wide extended-confirmed restriction in place now. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 20:42, 28 October 2023 (UTC)
- That's partly my point. ECP didn't exist back then, or during the many flare-ups between then and ARBPIA4, and yet Wikipedia is still here. It's tempting to think that the immediate situation is intractable, but everything becomes history eventually. I'm not opposing more draconian measures per se, just urging caution and perspective. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 20:57, 28 October 2023 (UTC)
- I don't believe the situation is intractable, rather that the current situation with the sanction as with isn't working as intended. If we want it to work as intended we'll have to take further steps. The point is to avoid flare-ups and ARBPIA5. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 22:30, 28 October 2023 (UTC)
- That's partly my point. ECP didn't exist back then, or during the many flare-ups between then and ARBPIA4, and yet Wikipedia is still here. It's tempting to think that the immediate situation is intractable, but everything becomes history eventually. I'm not opposing more draconian measures per se, just urging caution and perspective. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 20:57, 28 October 2023 (UTC)
- I think a big difference between these situations is the project-wide extended-confirmed restriction in place now. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 20:42, 28 October 2023 (UTC)
- That talk page is a dumpster fire, but the dumpster fire isn't going anywhere. It'll die down when the conflict does and reignite somewhere else later. The Arab-Israeli conflict on Wikipedia heats and cools with the real-life conflict; you can correlate headline-grabbing moments in the conflict's history almost exactly with the AE log. I remember having similar conversation around the Gaza flotilla raid in 2010 and that's just history now. We may just have to ride out the storm and deal with the inevitable disruption case by case. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 17:50, 28 October 2023 (UTC)
- Yeah, that's sort of my thinking. Some less-motivated non-ECs failing to find the request page would probably be a net-positive. That said, the workflow could be redirected if we wanted by adding a special case option to line 57 of Special:Edit/Template:Protected page text. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (they|xe|she) 03:58, 28 October 2023 (UTC)
- I'd support ECPing it. Looking at the new editor contributions, they generally seem to rehash discussions and add more heat to a topic that doesn't need it. Anything to make this page more manageable.. Galobtter (talk) 00:19, 29 October 2023 (UTC)
- Endorse as clearly an appropriate action; I saw the immediate cause unfold on my watchlist and was considering similar action myself but SFR beat me to it. Given what sounds like a sincere appeal and an inexperienced editor, I wouldn't lose sleep over a conditional unblock with an ARBPIA topic ban (indefinite but reviewable in a few months once the current escalation is not so immediate). HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 17:51, 28 October 2023 (UTC)
- Talk page ECP protected. I don't see any clear disagreement amongst admins, and if this is the quality of comments we're getting from unregistered or newly-registered users, then as SFR says, we might as well separate the wheat from the chaff. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 10:28, 30 October 2023 (UTC)
- Thanks, Ritchie. Looks like {{Protected page text}} detects that the talk page is also protected and directs people to Wikipedia:Requests for page protection/Edit. Hopefully that page doesn't get too much bad requests. Galobtter (talk) 14:22, 30 October 2023 (UTC)
- Making WP:BATTLEGROUND comments in your appeal is not going to get you very far. Endorse the block, especially since the edits outside of WP:ARBPIA (e.g. [6]) look similarly problematic. Galobtter (talk) 14:30, 30 October 2023 (UTC)
Arbitration enforcement action appeal by ghostlystatic
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To help determine any such consensus, involved editors may make brief statements in separate sections but should not edit the section for discussion among uninvolved editors. Editors are normally considered involved if they are in a current dispute with the sanctioning or sanctioned editor, or have taken part in disputes (if any) related to the contested enforcement action. Administrators having taken administrative actions are not normally considered involved for this reason alone (see WP:UNINVOLVED).
- Appealing user
- ghostlystatic (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) – Ghostlystatic (talk) 04:24, 28 October 2023 (UTC)
- Sanction being appealed
- General ban
- Administrator imposing the sanction
- ScottishFinnishRadish (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA)
- Notification of that administrator
- Yeah I'm aware. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 04:39, 28 October 2023 (UTC)
Statement by ghostlystatic
I am a Jewish person and I said some uncivil things to people who I believed wanted to hide the 10/07 attacks from the Pogrom page because they wanted to downplay what happened. I didn't mean to be uncivil, but I can only play the NPOV game for so long, especially when there are some editors on here that complain that they openly can't support Palestinian terrorist groups. Kind of biased and NPOV as it is. I like this encyclopedia. If you decide to ban me, I won't stop liking it. Ghostlystatic (talk) 04:24, 28 October 2023 (UTC)
Statement by scottishfinnishradish
Use your discretion they said. Certainly it won't create even more time sinks. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 04:39, 28 October 2023 (UTC)
Statement by (involved editor 1)
Statement by (involved editor 2)
Discussion among uninvolved editors about the appeal by ghostlystatic
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Statement by (uninvolved editor 1)
Statement by (uninvolved editor 2)
Result of the appeal by ghostlystatic
- This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the sections above.
- This one's more clear-cut than the above. Willful ECR violations through non-constructive edits after being notified of the restriction, consistently combative tone. Decline, and given the timewasting nature of this combative appeal, disallow new appeals for at least 2 months. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (they|xe|she) 04:55, 28 October 2023 (UTC)
- Calling people antisemites isn't exactly conducive to collaborative editing. Agree with Tamzin. Galobtter (talk) 17:54, 28 October 2023 (UTC)
GWA88
This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below.
Requests may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs (not counting required information), except by permission of a reviewing administrator.
Request concerning GWA88
- User who is submitting this request for enforcement
- Carter00000 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 11:14, 28 October 2023 (UTC)
- User against whom enforcement is requested
- GWA88 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
Search CT alerts: in user talk history • in system log
- Sanction or remedy to be enforced
- Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Palestine-Israel articles 4
- Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Eastern Europe
- Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it
Under Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Palestine-Israel articles 4
- General
- 25 October Undid revert of edit made by IP per WP:ARBECR, claiming unjustified content removal. Despite content being malformed and over-linked, did not recognize or correct after re-adding.
- 18 October Incorrectly marked content change as minor edit. This occurs frequently, with many edits which are not minor marked as minor.
- 16 October Removed content claiming it was covered in the previous day, when had not been covered.
- 15 October Removed slightly misspelt content, claiming wording for entire entry was nonsensical.
- Diffs for two individual incidents are presented:
- Incident 1
- 10 October Edit-warred over merging a entry which was originally added by user as a second part.
- 11 October WP:BATTLEGROUND wording when opening discussion on article talk after being reverted again. Made accusations of
clearly misleading readers, issues with historical accuracy
, and askinghow is this even an issue?
when consensus was against user per WP:EDITCON. - 11 October WP:IDHT after warning over WP:BATTLEGROUND behavior and WP:EDITCON.
- 11 October WP:BLUDGEONING discussion, repeating augments and claiming WP:EDITCON consensus was invalid
..general practice or not the fact remains..
.
- Incident 2
- 10 October Added WP:OR not supported by source, asserting militant groups were led by Hamas. Article makes no mention of other militant groups other than Hamas.
- 10 October Edit-warred over revert of assertion, violating 1RR restriction under WP:CT/A-I. Adds new source which still does not support assertion.
- 10 October Adds a third source, which still does not support assertion. While source mentioned groups working together, no reference was made to being led by Hamas.
Under Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Eastern Europe
- 19 October Incorrectly marked content change as minor edit.
- 18 October Edit-warred on entry in contentious topic, after being blocked for edit-warring on topic.
- 6 September Makes a frivolous request to WP:RFPP claiming edit-warring between me and an IP, when I was enforcing WP:ARBECR under WP:GSRUSUKR. IP was blocked independently by an admin and noted on the RFPP request.
Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any:
- 9 July Blocked from the Portal Namespace for 2 weeks for edit-warring as a WP:BOOMRANG result of WP:AN3 report filed against me. I was also blocked.
- User continued to edit-war as per diffs above. In another incident, User displayed WP:IDHT when warned, refusing to admit edit warring, despite warning in the result of the AN3 Report
try to convince others to re-add it for you through pure discussion, not a single revert.
- If contentious topics restrictions are requested, supply evidence that the user is aware of them (see WP:CTOP#Awareness of contentious topics)
- WP:CT/A-I (Notice)
- WP:CT/EE (Notice)
- Additional comments by editor filing complaint
- User has persistent WP:CIR issues, not understanding basic concepts, despite almost 9,000 edits over nine years.
- User also does not understand the basics of WP consensus, preferring to edit-war in content disputes, despite being blocked and warned multiple times. User has:
- Claimed that consensus is needed to remove content [7], [8].
- Failed to understand WP:NOCONSENSUS.
- Claimed only 3RR counts as edit-warring.
- Claimed that including rationale in edit summary exempts discussion.
- The user primarily edits in pages on current events, frequently overlapping with contentious topics. This is of special concern, given the issues presented above.
- @Black Kite & Tamzin, To clarify, both myself and GWA88 were blocked by ToBeFree in early July as a result of a 3RR filing. The recent block was an independent action by HJ Mitchell and did not involve GWA88.
- I don't think it's appropriate to consider this filing retaliatory, given that almost four months had gone by with no further action from me, and that we were both sanctioned equally in the block. I further note that both prior to and after the initial block, I've made my concerns with GWA88's editing clear with warnings and discussions when issues arose. Carter00000 (talk) 08:05, 30 October 2023 (UTC)
- @Iskandar323, I was the second user [9] to make that revert, and despite an active talk page, no one replied on the discussion to oppose the revert.
- Standard practice is to group together events that are closely related into a single entry. For example, on January 1, 3, and 27, we use only one entry for multiple/preceding milestones.
- The purpose of the page is to present a high-level overview of world events; if excessively granular entries are used, it will become lengthy and unfocused. Carter00000 (talk) 08:52, 30 October 2023 (UTC)
- Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested
Discussion concerning GWA88
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Statement by GWA88
I'm sorry but this seems like blatant WP:BATTLEGROUND behaviour from an editor who is known to try and get people blocked he has had issues with. Since that original block in July (my one and only block over a 9 year period of editing), I have not been blocked once, whereas Carter00000 has been blocked from the portal again for "edit-warring on P:CE subpages" and making "controversial re-writes to blurbs and enforce your preferred wording.". To be honest, I did expect this to happen as soon as his most recent block ended. He has also left passive aggressive templates on my talk page, introducing me to topics I've made hundreds of edits on over the years and he knows it. I hope admins can see my contributions to the Current Events: Portal are positive and that no else aside from Carter00000 seems to have an issue with me editing there. Thanks. GWA88 (talk) 13:42, 28 October 2023 (UTC)
Furthermore, I would just like any admin seeing this to take a look at my overall contributions, and not just the diffs cited. You can see I'm just an editor who has made thousands of good faith edits over a decade, and I've always tried to steer clear of drama on Wikipedia and stick to my hobby of editing, which is why I rarely if ever leave messages on user's talkpages. And with regards to dispruting Wikipedia, I've had very few disputes in this last year, and the only notable one was with Carter00000, the author of this request. I'll admit, I'm not as savvy at Wikilawyering as Carter00000, but I always try my best to stick to the general guidelines. I hope you close this without a sanction as I do believe this is also motivated by some sort of personal grudge against me. Thank you. GWA88 (talk) 17:50, 28 October 2023 (UTC)
Statement by Iskandar323 (uninvolved)
I inspected this filing, and upon looking at "Incident 1" what jumped out at me was how absolutely correct GWA88 was, in A) correctly placing events in their verifiable chronological setting, and B) clearly outlining the undeniable logic of it (presumably when prompted) - that the OP thinks these edits are problematic, and indeed, reverted this fix, in defiance of any obvious common sense when editing a timeline of dated events, well, this hints more at WP:CIR issues on the OP's part than anything else. Iskandar323 (talk) 08:36, 30 October 2023 (UTC)
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Result concerning GWA88
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- This appears to be to be a retaliatory filing after the filer was previously blocked from the Portal namespace; note that all the "evidence" above is from that area. Pinging HJ Mitchell as the previous administrator involved. Black Kite (talk) 10:51, 29 October 2023 (UTC)
- I've seen this but haven't had time to look into it properly yet. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 11:20, 29 October 2023 (UTC)
- I agree that this looks retaliatory—a grab-bag of flyspecking over minor issues, as payback for getting him blocked. I'm inclined to reinstate Carter's p-block from portalspace indefinitely, and would be open to an IBAN as well. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (they|xe|she) 05:09, 30 October 2023 (UTC)