User talk:Michael D. Turnbull

Question from Definitelynotlane (03:21, 26 April 2023)

How can I start a new historical page about a person of the American society that's unheard of --Definitelynotlane (talk) 03:21, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

That's a tough question, @Definitelynotlane! If you mean that there is no reliably-published information about the person, then the answer is simple: you can't, because wikipedia only covers topics that are notable in a specific sense. If you mean that there is information about them that exists only in obscure historical records and books that few people have access to but you do have access, then it might be possible but I warn that it is tricky for new editors like yourself to draft an article (we prefer that word to "page", since we are not social media). You have a steep learning curve and should start by reading this basic overview of what we need. The process of creating a draft for review by experienced editors is explained here. Good luck.... if you have addiitional questions, just add them here in this section of my Userpage and I'll try to assist. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:55, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

Question from Diana Agron00 (15:12, 14 May 2023)

Hi... How do I verify my account in Wikipedia. --Diana Agron00 (talk) 15:12, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Diana Agron00. I don't really understand your question. Accounts here are not required to use real-life names and most editors use a pseudonym. I happen to use my full name but have never "verified" it to anyone on Wikipedia. It is actually against policy to impersonate some well-known living person by using their name as your account name (see WP:UN). Are you claiming to be Dianna Agron? It is also against policy to reveal the real-life identity of anyone using a pseudonym (see WP:OUTING).

By the way, I note from your Userpage that you work at IMDb. Please note that Wikipedia does not consider that it is a reliable source and you will get into trouble if you add information based only on IMDb citations. See WP:IMDB for the details. It is, however, standard practice to link to that website in the external links sections of articles on films, TV shows and actors and there are templates to do just that at {{IMDb name}} and {{IMDb title}}. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:42, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

Question from Md. Atiq- Ur- Rahmann on User:Md. Atiq- Ur- Rahmann (20:59, 20 May 2023)

Please could you tell me how can I established in this page? --Md. Atiq- Ur- Rahmann (talk) 20:59, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

(by talk reader) @Md. Atiq- Ur- Rahmann: Wikipedia is not Facebook: you don't get to have a page. Please read WP:AUTO and WP:FIRST as those should answer all your questions. Chris Troutman (talk) 22:39, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

@Md. Atiq- Ur- Rahmann Editors on Wikipedia are given a personal area, not part of the main encyclopaedia where we have articles. To create it, click on your username here (currently in red) and then type what you wish to tell other editors about what you will contribute. Before doing that, read the advice at WP:UPYES, which describes what may be placed there. In a moment, I will add some relevant further information on your Talk Page. Mike Turnbull (talk) 23:02, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

Minor thing

The User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull/Archives/2022 is partly messed up, see last named thread and downward. I'm guessing a stray symbol or half-tag somewhere. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:44, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, Gråbergs Gråa Sång. Somehow a nowiki end-tag had become "nowiki/" instead of "/nowiki". Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:59, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

For the benefit of future WP-archeologists. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:00, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Michael D. Turnbull. Please check your email; you've got mail!
It may take a few minutes from the time the email is sent for it to show up in your inbox. You can at any time by removing the {{You've got mail}} or {{ygm}} template.

JcwDenno (talk) 04:31, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

Question from Iljhgtn (02:28, 12 June 2023)

It says you are my mentor, what does that entail? --Iljhgtn (talk) 02:28, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Iljhgtn and welcome to Wikipedia as a editor. The basic objectives of the mentoring program are discussed at this link. The idea is that by putting new editors in touch with a named individual, they are more likely to manage what can be a steep learning curve here. You are under no obligation to use me as your mentor: you could for example just ask questions at the Teahouse, as I see you have already done. I regularly contribute to the Teahouse and Help Desk, as well as making article edits on topics I'm interested in (see my UserPage). If there is anything you want me to help with, just continue to place requests in this thread. (P.S. I am in the UK time zone, so mainly active 10-18 hours GMT) Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:22, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

thanks for your time. i am in virginia, so eastern time zone. So we are a bit off. I can continue to ask questions in the tea house if that is better? Iljhgtn (talk) 13:59, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

@Iljhgtn You'll get broader and faster answers at the Teahouse but the whole point of the mentoring system is to encourage questions that new editors might worry may make them look stupid if posted in that rather public forum. Also, Teahouse threads get archived after just a few days, making it harder to find your old question again if you need to remind yourself of the answer/links. Talk Pages tend to be archived much more slowly and to have less content in the first place. For asking me questions that you want to keep close at hand, just {{ping}} me to a new thread on your own Talk Page, where everything will be under your full control. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:06, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

ping you? Iljhgtn (talk) 14:08, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

can i only "ping" you on my own talk page??

Also, I want to update my signature, do you know how i do that too?

Cheers Mike Iljhgtn (talk) 14:09, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

@Iljhgtn The ping mechanism works to alert people to any Talk Page, provided you make sure you sign your posts (as you have been doing). See WP:PING for the full details. You don't, for example, need to ping me when you reply within my Talk Page, as the system already alerts me to new content here. It is good practice to ping people in other threads, however, since they may otherwise not notice you have replied, even if the person you are replying to has the Talk Page on their watchlist. That's particularly important in threads within the Teahouse, and similar, where content comes so quickly that it is easy to forget you were in the midst of a conversation! The "reply" mechanism (as distinct from the "edit source" mechanism) for editing Talk pages is very helpful since it gives an edit window with an icon on the right which can be used to add the names of people you wish to alert who have already contributed to that thread.

You'll often find that you can get self-help by searching within the main search bar with a likely search term prefixed by WP: Hence "WP:SIGNATURE" finds WP:SIGNATURE, where you'll find the instructions, including how to customise your own. The so-called "WP" namespace (see WP:NAMESPACE) is where loads of help exists. There is also a specific Help namespace but I find that less comprehensive. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:30, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

sign my posts? Iljhgtn (talk) 14:32, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

i just click on "reply", is that "signing"? Iljhgtn (talk) 14:32, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

The reply tool adds signatures automatically and seems to be what you have used consistently so far. See WP:SIGNATURE for the alternative method that involves adding four tilde characters ~ ~ ~ ~ (without gaps) which the Wiki software converts to a signature + timestamp. You need to use that method if you are editing directly not usng the reply tool. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:37, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

thanks mike, im going to click the wp:signature thing next and look into that. Iljhgtn (talk) 14:38, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

Question from Iljhgtn (14:05, 12 June 2023)

There is a welcome or "home page" for me, and it says "Most viewed (since your edit)", will my user page or talk page ever appear on there if I happen to spend more time on those than on some other random pages? Or are those pages excluded from the algorithm?? --Iljhgtn (talk) 14:05, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

No, as it says on the page I linked in my original reply, the new-user homepage view count only refers to views of articles in mainspace that you have edited. You can see how many pageviews there are on any general page by clicking on the "Page information" link which on my PC using the default Vector 22 skin is located to the right of the page content. You can get a very full summary of your editing by navigating to a URL like this: I've used my own edit history in that link since there's more to see than currently would be in yours. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:16, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

Imdb-links, again

Did you ever find out where on WP the use of these (the sneaky ones) are recommended/taught? Is it perhaps even done automatically with visual editor? Perhaps whatever it is can be sought out and de... changed. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:34, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

The only place I ever found was in a Help page: we both commented on Help_talk:Interwiki_linking#Interwiki_links_to_IMDB but nothing happened! Actually, I don't think that's the answer. I suspect it is something to do with new editors who are familiar with IMDb where, maybe, they use that sort of link. I've asked on such editor's Talk Pages to tell me where they got the idea but no-one has said anything useful. I warned a couple of editors recently here and here but got no responses. If they do reply, I'll try to get them to open up.... and I suggest you take the same approach when you next run into the issue (I don't bother trying to reach out to IP editors, who are the main culprits). Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:05, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

[1]. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:16, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

Yes, we should probably have made that edit last year! It will be interesting to see if it makes a scrap of difference. My bet is "no". (P.S. I removed all the latest baddies yesterday and just now, so currently we have a clean slate). Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:22, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

It's not likely to be a place the newbies read, is it? I actually got an edit conflict with you on that yesterday. I just tried to insert imdb as EL with VE, but it seemed to use the template correctly. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:26, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

I'll go back and ask the specific question of the two people from yesterday, in the hope they can throw some light on this. I'm glad you've shown it ain't a problem in the VE, as that would have been a b..... to get someone to fix. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:30, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

Quite a bother, yes. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:32, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

@Gråbergs Gråa Sång Ah! Maybe some progress: see User talk:UWJSISA414TWA&C#IMDb links. Perhaps you could add some advice there about the correct use of VE, as I'm not familiar with it? Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:00, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

And you think I am!? I've concluded it doesn't actually give you std:s, though. I wrote something. I keep thinking I should get better at it, for Teahouse understanding if nothing else. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:33, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

Come to think of it, that makes an amount of sense, many of the "afflicted" articles seems to have non-eng origin, so to speak. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:37, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

Hm, VE may be our enemy after all:[2]. Don't ask me how they did it. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:22, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

That diff's been redacted for copyvio, so I can't see what you meant. I'll start to play with VE today and see what I come up with. Meanwhile, I thought we could add a "Technical considerations" section to WP:CITEIMDB explaining how to use the {{imdb name}} and {{imdb title}} templates (or {{cite web}}) and not the interwiki links: that might assist anyone who actually went to look for help to do things correctly. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:22, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

I've tried the VE editor, where I find there's a pretty steep learning curve for adding templates: and you have to know they exist! I've made some tweaks to the wording at WP:CITEIMDB and WP:IMDBTEMPLATE which I hope may help. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:08, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

What happened was that the editor changed my EL-section imdb (template) to the kind we don't like, with a VE (tagged) edit. In other news, [3]. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:51, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

Yes, I saw that revert. I think from their edit summary Mathglot was objecting to the text being in the "Disadvantages" section, not that it shouldn't be somewhere more relevant. They also seemed to be worried that if there was specific advice against the IMDb link in articles then the Help page arguably needs other advice about when/where to use interwiki links that would make the page unwieldy. Maybe needs to be discussed with them either on that Talk Page or on their UserTalk page. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:01, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

Question from Iljhgtn (15:14, 17 June 2023)

How am i doing? anything you might change? --Iljhgtn (talk) 15:14, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

@Iljhgtn Your contributions seem mostly fine. The ones reverted by other editors all relate to over-use of Wikilinks, I guess because of MOS:OVERLINK. Now may be the time to try to make more substantial contributions by researching topics you are interested in (using these types of sources) and update articles accordingly. As your UserPage doesn't tell me anything about your interests/knowledge, I can't really give more specific advice. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:22, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

ok thnkas Iljhgtn (talk) 17:44, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

i like writing about ships, both USA naval warships and UK warships mostly, but ships of other nations would interest me as well. Anything naval ship themed. Iljhgtn (talk) 21:03, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

@Iljhgtn It sounds as though you should explore the Projects related to that at WP:WikiProject Transport/Maritime transport task force and maybe join its membership list. I don't know exactly how active they are but you could certainly ask on their Talk page or via an existing member. There is also an active Project on maritime warfare. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:08, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

cool i will do that Iljhgtn (talk) 18:29, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

Question from Cookie dough dingus (03:50, 21 June 2023)

Hi, I was wondering how to write about a rural high school in Kentucky (Rockcastle County High School, it's a draft into resubmission at the moment) without it being declined? I've marked the school's district and did US Dept. of Education research and cited sources, supplied a well-organized infobox template and supplied the location and coordinates! What am I doing wrong? --J.A. (talk) 03:50, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

@Cookie dough dingus The issue is not what you are doing "wrong" but the fact that the draft does not show that the school is notable in the sense that Wikipedia defines this. The world has hundreds of thousands of schools so Wikipedia wants to focus on those which have already been commented on in sources meeting these criteria. Your draft merely shows that the school exists but does nothing to show that it stands out from the crowd. In the early days of the encyclopaedia, stub articles like that often got published but now with over 6 million articles in English, the standards have, correctly in my opinion, been raised (see WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES). Incidentally, the reviewers won't be impressed by the fact that you have re-submitted it, after Sungodtemple moved it to draft, without making any substantive change to address the lack of notability. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:21, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

DYK Patricia Davies

Thanks for your help Michael and sincere apologies for causing extra work. I went to Template:Did you know nominations/Patricia Davies... but cannot see how to change /edit things there. For example how to add a better source if the current one is not good. There is no edit button. I've tried clicking here or there but to no avail? Someone else has already improved things luckily but I have no idea how they did it. Balance person (talk) 11:56, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

@Balance person The page is Template:Did you know nominations/Patricia Davies (cryptographer) as already mentioned. You can't use the visual editor there, only the source editor works and there is an "Edit source" tab as usual. Someone has already commented and seems to think the hook is fine with minor update to the correct Act (1911, 1920 or 1939?). I was the one who tweaked the hook to include both sisters: see the "View history" tab as on all Wikipedia pages. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:05, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the explanation. I don't actually know which date of the act they signed but will endeavour to find out. Balance person (talk) 14:14, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

OK I think it is done. Many thanks.Balance person (talk) 14:45, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello Mike. You kindly suggested that I keep in touch as the DYK for Patricia Davies progresses. And I notice that the person reviewing it for DYK has asked for help as it is the first one they have done. I don't know if they have done enough for the DYK to progress or if the DYK is now in limbo? I am sure I cannot do anything about it myself. But is this something you would be able to help with? I am not sure if there is a time limit on these things or not? There will be some protocol about it I am sure! Balance person (talk) 10:07, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

@Balance person No need to worry. The DYK has passed its review and progressed to a queue from which I guess it will be about 2 weeks to reach the Mainpage. The reviewer was a relative newcomer to approving DYK, so mentioned that when OKaying it. There will be plenty of other eyes on it (including an admin) who will intervene if they think there is a problem but the chances of that are very low in my opinion. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:10, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, Mike. I knew you would know! Balance person (talk) 13:55, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

Question from SaeedBama (09:03, 6 July 2023)

Hello, How can I protect a page from editing? What is the documents or requirements for doing that?

Thank you SAEED --SaeedBama (talk) 09:03, 6 July 2023 (UTC)

@SaeedBama Please read WP:PROTECT carefully and come back with further questions in this thread if necessary. It is difficult for me to give better advice unless you mention the article where you think page protection may be needed. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:41, 6 July 2023 (UTC)

Question from Iamshield on Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk (11:53, 17 July 2023)

How can I submit my draft --Iamshield (talk) 11:53, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Iamshield. I don't see any draft in your contributions, only a couple of minor edits prior to this question. Where did you save/publish it? There are very full instructions for writing articles at this link but beware: writing a complete article is quite difficult for a newcomer. See also this essay. If you have further questions, just add them here in this thread. Best wishes. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:28, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

DYK for Viriditoxin

On 26 July 2023, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Viriditoxin, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that viriditoxin may be able to inhibit cancer growth? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Viriditoxin. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Viriditoxin), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Aoidh (talk) 00:02, 26 July 2023 (UTC)

Question from Principaltill2014 (19:07, 29 July 2023)

Hello Michael,

How can we go about correcting misinformation on the West Ranch High School Page?

I tried to correct it myself and did not do it correctly. I now understand why I was banned from editing on Wikipedia and I apologize. Can you make this change, or direct my how to request that it be made?

West Ranch High School Stevenson Ranch California

This information is incorrect: Since the high school did not have a mascot at the time, the class of 2008 chose the wildcat to represent the school and because the movie High School Musical, which had come out 2 years prior to West Ranch’s first graduating class.

How can we change it to this? The school mascot and colors were selected by a steering committee of student leaders in the spring of 2004, prior to the opening of the school.

Thank you so much,

Robert Vincent --Principaltill2014 (talk) 19:07, 29 July 2023 (UTC)

@Robert Most of the relevant details are now on your own Talk Page. Let me try to explain, as an uninvolved editor here. First, it would help you to change your mindset from "West Ranch High School's Page" (implying ownership, as if a school's website) to "a Wikipedia article about the school, written entirely based on sources like these".: please read the linked items. Once you've read those, you should understand why your edits to West Ranch High School were reverted by experienced editors: they came across too much like promoting the school rather than neutrally stating some facts, with references. To many people's surprise, Wikipedia isn't interested just in truth but gives more weight to its core policy of verifiability. Hence what you "know", or I "know" is irrelevant - articles here are based on what's been published in reliable sources.

So, what can you do to add to the article? As someone with a conflict of interest, you should not edit it directly but instead make any suggestions you have at Talk:West Ranch High School, stating in a simple way what you think should be added/removed or reworded. To draw attention to your suggestion(s) there is a template you can use to be found at the link {{edit COI}}. If you click on that link, you'll see how exactly to structure the request. Make sure you provide references for any new material: the school's own website is fine for some types of information (see this guidance). You should find that your request is handled within a few days. By all means come back to me in this thread if you have more questions. I would also advise that you place a COI template on your own User Page - currently the redlink User:Principaltill2014, which you create by clicking on that redlink and adding something. I suggest, at minimum, placing {{UserboxCOI|1=West Ranch High School}} there. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:09, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

I have sent you a note about a page you started

Hello, Michael D. Turnbull. Thank you for your work on 3-(Difluoromethyl)-1-methyl-1H-pyrazole-4-carboxylic acid. User:SunDawn, while examining this page as a part of our page curation process, had the following comments:

Hey there! Hope you're having a great day. Thank you for contributing to Wikipedia with your article. I'm happy to inform you that your article has adhered to Wikipedia's policies, so I've marked it as reviewed. Have a fantastic day for you and your family!

To reply, leave a comment here and begin it with {{Re|SunDawn}}. Please remember to sign your reply with ~~~~. (Message delivered via the Page Curation tool, on behalf of the reviewer.)

✠ SunDawn ✠ (contact) 21:26, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, @SunDawn. DYK is the next step, along the lines of "DYK ....that six agricultural fungicides are amides of a specific pyrazole carboxylic acid (shown)? Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:02, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

Question from KeshiaYarvell (17:27, 5 August 2023)

Hi Yarvell Acquanetta Cheatum I 'm star artist actor with my voice my mic on both side of my face area and stomach one on my upper tigth on right side of the leg; I need to add my information to my page Companies is looking for my information with my net worth KESHIA is my nickname and it's spelled all kind of ways need help with finishing my page Yarvell is my real name. My marriage show up on some of my information Yarvell Scott I'm DIVORCED 12/09/2014 Kimberly Michelle Pate is on my information need to looking this one ASAP --KeshiaYarvell (talk) 17:27, 5 August 2023 (UTC)

@KeshiaYarvell If you are this person you can forget about having an article about you in Wikipedia. There simply are not enough sources meeting these criteria that are published about you. Wikipedia is not to be used for promotion. Stick to social media for that. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:36, 5 August 2023 (UTC)

Question from EleniXDD (10:31, 30 August 2023)

Dear mentor,

I just translated a page from English to Chinese. When I tried to link my translated page

https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E3%80%8C%E6%A6%AE%E8%80%80%E8%97%9D%E8%A1%93%E3%80%8D%E6%96%87%E5%8C%96%E5%8B%B3%E7%AB%A0%E7%8D%8E%E7%AB%A0

to its original page

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medal_for_Merit_to_Culture_%E2%80%93_Gloria_Artis

, the page says I have no authority to do so, or the page has limit edit. I am looking for help or advice. Thank you so much.

Yours sincerely, Eleni --EleniXDD (talk) 10:31, 30 August 2023 (UTC)

@EleniXDD Nice to have a question at the limits of my competence! I'm not sure how much of this stuff you know already, so I'll work through it slowly. Links between the multiple language versions of Wikipedia are handled in Wikidata, so the page you need to edit is this one for Q1702885. That page is protected to prevent vandalism and can only be edited by accounts with >10 edits and over 4 days old. You may not have passed that threshold when you tried to do the edit but as far as I can tell, you should be fine now. But there is an oddity in Wikidata I don't understand. When I navigate to a Wikidata page such as this one for a list article I created recently I see "edit" icons all over the place, including top right where I could add another language link if a foreign-language version of my list was available. On Q1702885 I can see no such "edit" options, despite the fact I can readily edit other standard semi-protected pages and I already have 31 edits to Wikidata! My conclusion is that semi-protection in Wikidata limits editing much more than it does elsewhere. I think that your best bet is to contact Wikidata editors at Wikidata:Wikidata:Project_chat, summarising what we've said here. I'll be interested to know what they say.... Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:12, 30 August 2023 (UTC)

Dear Mike,

Thank you so much for your detailed explanation and advice XD. I have concluded the scenario and submitted it as a bug in the Project_chat. Hopefully, there will be a solution to the problem, and I will update you on that. Have a nice day!

Regards,

Eleni EleniXDD (talk) 15:07, 30 August 2023 (UTC)

Wow, they have replied and edited the source for me. The reply is as follows, "That item was is protected and you are not autoconfirmed at wikidata. I've done that for you." I have double checked the criteria for autoconfirmed users --- at least 4 days of age and at least 50 edits (90 days and 100 edits if editing through a Tor node) EleniXDD (talk) 15:14, 30 August 2023 (UTC)

@EleniXDD That's interesting. Semi-protected locks here on Wikipedia (see my link above) allow people with 10+ edits and 4+ day-old accounts to edit. Wikidata seems not only to require 50+ edits but these must be edits at Wikidata itself: which even I don't have and I've been editing Wikipedia for 5+ years! Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:21, 30 August 2023 (UTC)

I have further added a comment, asking for the edit requirement for that specific page. Looking forward to the reply. I am also curious about the exact requirement as well. I will update you when they reply me XD EleniXDD (talk) 15:40, 30 August 2023 (UTC)

The reply is as follows "Wikidata has a 50 edits requirement to be autoconfirmed, not 10. Each site calculate edit counts and account age separately, not added. You can check your account age and edit count on each site at here"

I guess they mean the requirement is 50 edit, which I didn't meet. EleniXDD (talk) 03:09, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

50 edits in wikidata*

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAuth?target

This is the website they gave me to check all my edits in each site. EleniXDD (talk) 06:20, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

You can also check this one:[4] Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:12, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

@Gråbergs Gråa Sång The bit that's still mystifying me is where Eleni actually asked and was answered at Wikidata: their contribution history shows nothing and I can't find any relevant stuff on the chat page.... Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:27, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

...logged out edits? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:31, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

You might suppose so but I still can't see any relevant discussion at Wikidata:Wikidata:Project chat nor in the edit history of the editor there who made the link to zh wikipedia on Q1702885, assuming that they were the same person. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:37, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

hahahaha, actually I asked in the bug report page of the project_chat. Here it goes.

https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T345264

It is just now I realised in the link you sent me earlier, down below there is a discussion section. I kind of ignored it at first, and went to the bug report. EleniXDD (talk) 03:25, 1 September 2023 (UTC)

@Gråbergs Gråa Sång Interesting! Phabricator edits are not shown in the global contributions at the xtools link. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:37, 1 September 2023 (UTC)

Hah! I have 70, but then again, I'm at 10+ years, so my account is older than, for example, Wikidata. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:07, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

Tea House - Show me the way

send you the talk : @Theroadislong Thanks. As Turnbull commented, really speaking, actually I want to update my Article:Ramakrishna Mission Brahmananda College of Education. But I have some doubts and so I ask him few questions at the Teahouse Platform. Supriyomj16022008 (talk) 17:00, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

@Supriyomj16022008 Please don't continue in this section of my Talk Page. I've made another comment in the Teahouse thread and you can ask more questions there if necessary. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:18, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

Question from EleniXDD (07:57, 1 September 2023)

Dear Mike,

   There is another problem that I want to seek advice from you. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liu_Duan_Duan This is an article page I created yesterday, usually when article has been created, if you search key word + wiki in google, it can be shown.

     However, when I try to search this article in google or other browser, it never shows up. It can only be shown if I search it internally in Wiki. I wonder if it is because I accidentally made it as "Draft" in the beginning. 

    I am looking forward to your advice. Thanks

Regards, Eleni --EleniXDD (talk) 07:57, 1 September 2023 (UTC)

@EleniXDD This is entirely normal on the English Wikipedia. Editors like you (or me) can directly create articles in the main encyclopaedia without going through the review that drafts get if the WP:AfC process is used. However, such articles are marked as "no-index" to search engines until they have been reviewed and approved by a group of experienced editors called the new pages patrol. Articles will by default be indexed 6 months after their creation in the unlikely event the NPP miss them. Some editors (not me or you yet) ask to have the "autopatrolled" right: if granted, that means the articles they create get indexed immediately. Looking at Liu Duan Duan, I'm afraid that you may find that the NPP have a harsh opinion and may WP:DRAFTIFY it. As it stands currently, it is poorly sourced: normally articles need at least three separate citations that meet these criteria. So I suggest you quickly try to improved it to that standard. Mike Turnbull (talk) 09:49, 1 September 2023 (UTC)

Dear Mike,

Thank you for your insightful feedback, I will definitely go and modify the page.

There leads to another problem --- I rename the page, so now there's two. Although before the action, it is stated that when pressed the old one, it will be redirected to the new one, unfortunately this doesn't work all the time. Sometimes article involve the name Liu Duan Duan directs to the old page, Do you think I should work on both pages or I just leave the old one alone. Or should I propose to delete the old page? Thanks a lot XD

old one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liu_Duanduan

new one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liu_Duan_Duan EleniXDD (talk) 11:14, 1 September 2023 (UTC)

@EleniXDD I see that you have tagged Liu Duanduan for speedy deletion, which is fine. The alternative would have been to convert that page to a WP:Redirect, which would have been reasonable if this was a likely search term that readers might accidentally or deliberately type. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:31, 1 September 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for all the constructive advice XDD I have really learnt a lot. I am so lucky to have a mentor like you :)) EleniXDD (talk) 14:39, 1 September 2023 (UTC)

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Waxworker Said I Haven't Bring Any Reliable Sources

Waxworker said I haven't bring any reliable sources when I "Dollface" in "The Tom and Jerry Show (2014 TV series)" page and probably won't allows me to undo her removal. Dollface is actual character in "The Tom and Jerry Show (2014)" voiced by Julie Wittner. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:The_Tom_and_Jerry_Show_(2014_TV_series)#c-Waxworker-20230908222200-ElectricStormFire86-20230908221800 Can you talk to her? Because Dollface is an actual character in the Tom and Jerry franchise, not some kind of a fan made character. ElectricStormFire86 (talk) 22:34, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

@ElectricStormFire86 It is pointless going to the Talk Pages of editors at the Teahouse who have been trying to help you. We are generalists, giving advice based on our knowledge of Wikipedia's procedures, not the specifics. As Colin has said, we advised you how to take this forward. We have no knowledge or interest in Tom and Jerry characters. If you can't achieve consensus with Waxworker, then dispute resolution tells you how to pursue this. The relevant Wikipedia policy is this one: you cannot add information you personally know to be true unless you can back that up with a published, reliable source you cite. If you can't find such a source, then regrettably the information cannot be included. It may surprise you to know that Wikipedia focuses on verifiability, not truth. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:09, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

Possibly helpful information about IPv6 addresses

Hi! I came across your reply at the Teahouse where you mention that the contribution history of the IP editor has no draft associated with it - you can often find contributions that appear missing for an editor contributing from an IPv6 address by adding /64 to the end of the URL to their contributions page. For this particular editor, that would be Special:Contributions/2601:5C0:C380:4980:BD25:9843:27D3:B53C/64, which does list a draft. The /64 IP range is the typical size assigned to a single network, and because ISPs typically assign IP addresses dynamically, a single user is likely to contribute from many IPs in the range over time. Tollens (talk) 01:06, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

@Tollens Thanks, I was vaguely aware of that but I'll now put a reminder on my UserPage. The draft in question Draft:Carol A. Mullen has a rather chequered history and I've commented on it several times before. It is currently being made worse, not better! Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:13, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

Did you got my message last night?

Did you got my message last night about Waxworker's unruly and seemingly unfair behavior saying that I had provided unreliable sources? ElectricStormFire86 (talk) 23:05, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

Yes. However, no editor here is obliged to reply within a given time period, or even at all. We are in the main volunteers with lives outside of Wikipedia. On Talk Pages, reply times of up to a week are common, even for active editors like myself. That's why the best venues for seeking assistance are those like the Teahouse, which many experienced editors watch, so that general and accurate advice can be given quickly in almost all cases. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:13, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

Nonmetal

Hi Mike

I have relisted Nonmetal at WP:FAC, if you have time to comment. Thank you, Sandbh (talk) 06:49, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

Question from Imtiaz Hendrix (20:21, 30 September 2023)

How do I up load images --Imtiaz Hendrix (talk) 20:21, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

@Imtiaz Hendrix Most of the images used in Wikipedia are hosted at the sister Project, Wikimedia Commons, which has an upload wizard at this link: commons:Special:UploadWizard. The main mistake which new users make is to claim that they are uploading their "own work", when in fact they don't own the copyright to the image: copyright is usually owned by the person who took the photograph or drew the diagram, etc. You may not under any circumstances upload to Commons some random picture you found on the Internet. There are some very limited circumstances where images or logos are uploaded to the English Wikipedia for use only here: see WP:NONFREE for the (complicated!) rules. Do you want to upload something you took with your own camera? That's the simplest case. You might like also to tell me what you intend to do with your image, so I can give further advice. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:57, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

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Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 08:04, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

Province of Canada map

Hi, thanks for the suggestion about the map of the Province of Canada that you gave me earlier this month. It's better than the existing one I found on the Commons. Have now uploaded it: File:Province of Canada.JamesWyld.ca1842.jpg Appreciate your help! Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 18:54, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

@Mr Serjeant Buzfuz Happy to have helped! Was there any reason you uploaded such a low-resolution version? The file at the archive source here can be expanded to full-screen (via green arrow) and then zoomed to show incredible detail and it would be nice to have one of the high-resolution versions on Commons. Mike Turnbull (talk) 20:44, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

The reason is that I'm a techno-peasant! I'm barely able to upload stuff. What did I do wrong? Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 20:57, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

Plus, the uploaded version now has a grey bar along the bottom of it. I have no idea why, or how to crop it? Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 04:19, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

@Mr Serjeant Buzfuz I can upload a higher-resolution version in about 10 days: at present I'm on holiday with limited internet access! There is a good crop tool in Commons but I suggest you don't worry about that at present. If you go ahead and incorporate your current map in whichever article you had in mind, it will automatically update when I upload the better version. Mike Turnbull (talk) 07:17, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

That would be great, thanks. No rush. I’m working on a draft article, which is the only place I’m using the map so far. Not sure when I’ll upload the draft to article space. Have a good vacation! Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 10:49, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

Hi Michael, the other editor that I asked about it has already fixed it: User:WikiPedant, who has been helpful in the past as well. Thanks for pointing me to the Wyly map; it's now uploaded without the bars. Hope your holiday goes well. Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 21:42, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Roger Starr has been accepted

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Question from Spiritualsoul1969 (11:55, 8 November 2023)

Hello Michael, I am absolutely new to Wikipedia , I would highly appreciate if you could help me get started on posting my article related to spirituality. I am unable to load the images as well?

Thanks , Peace & Blessings --Spiritualsoul1969 (talk) 11:55, 8 November 2023 (UTC)