Talk:Trivium

Mark Passio talks about the trivium. This meaning should be somehow included. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tilmanb (talk • contribs) 18:54, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

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Metal or metal? Hmm...

The word 'Metal' in the 'Metal band Trivium' disambiguation linked to the smooth, shiny stuff that you use to make robots and cutlery. I changed the link to heavy metal music, which is the thing that it was (presumably) referring to. Pax out.

metalcore, they're not metal as they're closer to hardocre than metal, I"m editing this

Meaning of "grammar?"

Didn't the word "grammar" have a broader meaning in medieval universities? I remember a professor of mine once told my class it wasn't grammar as we know it in modern times... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 207.156.4.2 (talk) 03:54, 6 February 2007 (UTC).

"Grammar", as used by Dorothy L. Sayers in her famous essay on The Trivium ("The Lost Tools of Learning" presented at Oxford, 1947), referred to the underlying structure which makes it possible to understand a subject as a whole. The underlying structure of mathematics is an understanding of arithmetic and numbers; the underlying structure of history is the time line; of geography it's the map. (These might be poor examples; I'm pulling them off the top of my head, where there are a lot of cobwebs as well.) Anyway, I believe Ms. Sayers's use of the word is pretty close to its original meaning. Alcuin of York 07:07, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

I would like to point out that "rhetoric" also had a broader meaning than it does nowadays. We think of it as "speech-making", but in midieval times it also covered what we would consider literary style and composition. From the modern point of view, it is also odd that logic is combined with the verbal subjects of rhetoric and grammar. Nowadays it is a branch of mathematics and would be linked with the subjects of the quadrivium.CharlesTheBold (talk) 12:01, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

vandalism

for some reason, linking to this page from the "Trivia" article leads to a page that reads "wilson smells like poo". But if you then click discussion and then article you find the full Trivium article. Its a weird sort of bug but I'm not sure how you'd fix that. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 80.3.96.10 (talk) 14:02, 17 February 2007 (UTC).

Move request

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The result of the move request was: 2012 requested move uncontested. I guess I'll move this then as there are no objections this time around, although I get the feeling it might not last. DrKiernan (talk) 18:25, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

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Trivium (education) → Trivium – This is an old RM that I came across which appears to have no been listed properly at WP:RM (or perhaps something happened to remove it before it was properly closed). In any case, Trivium already is a redirect to Trivium (education) and has been for some time. It seems this topic is primary, though despite my !vote below, I'd also be OK with a disambiguation page at the base name as second choice. older ≠ wiser 10:34, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

From WP:RM:

2007

• Trivium_(education) → Trivium — The trivium (grammar, logic and rhetoric) is a cornerstone philosophy of all western education and is what I was expecting to see when I came here; only to find that it'd been used for some unknown 'metal band' with NN history, I moved the metal band from 'Trivium' to 'Trivium_(Band)' with intent to make the above move but couldn't as 'trivium' was already in use. If someone could make the swap across it'd be appreciated. I need not stress that an academic philosophy as integral as trivium is of higher relevance to some band that has put out two self-published albums in their lifetime. :P If not, maybe I should make a band named rhetoric! :P —Jachin 01:31, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
  • "Trivium" also means "something trivial" (singular of "trivia"), as at http://lists.evolt.org/archive/Week-of-Mon-20000529/101683.html . And "Trivium" is used as a name for various things, as a Google search for "trivium" will show. I redirected Trivium to Trivia (disambiguation), where all the meanings of "trivium" and "trivia" and "trivial" are. Anthony Appleyard 05:31, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
• Support move. This is the primary meaning of "trivium". Who uses the singular of trivia? but we should have a dab header for those who do. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 22:43, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
• "The trivium (grammar, logic and rhetoric) is a cornerstone philosophy of all western education": I was never taught logic or rhetoric at my grammar school or any other school. And of the quadrivium which followed it, I was taught arithmetic from the beginning at infants school, not waiting for the trivium to finish. The trivium is likely important history, but only history. Anthony Appleyard 22:51, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
• Sounds to me like "Trivium" should be a disambiguation page. BTW, the original move should have been to "Trivium (band)", since band is not a proper nou and thus does not need capitalisation. Grutness...wha? 00:06, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
• Support move as per PMAnderson --Philip Baird Shearer 10:47, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
• Support per nom. older ≠ wiser 16:55, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
• Oppose I believe that the most searched for 'Trivium' will be the band, therefore if any should be moved to that page it should be the band. However, I believe it is fine as it is. Asics talk ^{Editor review!} 16:02, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

2009

I'd like to see Trivium (education) moved to Trivium. The page currently at Trivium can be moved to Trivium (Disambiguation). What do other people think? Fixer1234 (talk) 04:06, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Anyone want to object? Otherwise I will take care of the move. Fixer1234 (talk) 19:36, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

2012

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Main Image ^[source]

This image should be added. ("est" = "it is")
—User000name (talk) 17:54, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

Y —User 000 name 05:44, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

§Description → quote

Logic is the art of thinking; grammar, the art of inventing symbols and combining them to express thought; and rhetoric, the art of communicating thought from one mind to another, the adaptation of language to circumstance. —p. 3

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Logic is concerned with the thing-as-it-is-known.

Grammar is concerned with the thing-as-it-is-symbolized.

Rhetoric is concerned with the thing-as-it-is-communicated. —p. 9

Is it okay for the text in the quote to be rearranged?:

Grammar is the art of inventing symbols and combining them to express thought; logic is the art of thinking; and rhetoric is the art of communicating thought from one mind to another; the adaptation of language to circumstance.

[...]

Grammar is concerned with the thing as-it-is-symbolized, Logic is concerned with the thing as-it-is-known, and Rhetoric is concerned with the thing as-it-is-communicated. —pp. 3 & 9

 —User 000 name 00:00, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

Trivium Images/Media

I believe the image in the top right corner of the lead section can be placed somewhere more centered and aesthetically pleasing. The image seems to draw attention away from the article instead of towards. GarrettGartholomuleIII (talk) 01:17, 19 April 2021 (UTC)

"Trivia (education)" listed at Redirects for discussion

An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirect Trivia (education) and has thus listed it for discussion. This discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 January 4 § Trivia (education) until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. Steel1943 (talk) 19:04, 4 January 2023 (UTC)