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Work of H.P. Lovecraft about Fairy as "Hidden people"

Could just someone edit the rubric "Hidden people" of this page "Fairy" for mention the work of Lovecraft about this ?

In 1932, the famous writer H.P. Lovecraft writes a short text about this thesis :"Some backgrounds of Fairyland" Reference : H.P. Lovecraft. « Some backgrounds of Fairyland » in Marginalia, Arkham House, 1944, p. 174-181. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A01:E0A:A36:1630:A88D:1D8:F5B:5BE7 (talk) 14:16, 3 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The "Demoted Pagan Deities" section, lacks citations

This is my first time suggesting/editing wikipedia, so please go easy on me, also please excuse formatting

"Demoted pagan deities

At one time it was thought that fairies were originally worshiped as deities, such as nymphs and tree spirits,[28] and with the burgeoning predominance of the Christian Church, reverence for these deities carried on, but in a dwindling state of perceived power. Many deprecated deities of older folklore and myth were repurposed as fairies in Victorian fiction (See the works of W. B. Yeats for examples)."


The "Demoted Pagan Deities" section only has a single example/citation. There really should be more than a source citation if possible.

SARankDirector (talk) 15:15, 16 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

New section drafted on "Christian belief in fairies"

I've drafted a section on several modern Christian theologians and philosophers who have written about the reality of fairies: David Bentley Hart, John Milbank, Stephen R. L. Clark, C. S. Lewis, and J. R. R. Tolkien. This content, if others agree that it is relevant to the article, might be better integrated into the rest of the outline, but I did not see an obvious location for it. Feedback and suggestions much appreciated. Jjhake (talk) 03:43, 11 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'm quite familiar with "On Fairy-Stories", and it absolutely does not affirm any belief in fairies as a real thing. It's about the literary device of "fairy-stories", and how it applies to our psychology. The quote by C.S. Lewis paraphrasing a comment Tolkien once made to him is similarly presented as a literal belief in fairies, when Tolkien is clearly speaking in a philosophical sense. The section as a whole seems to be ascribing a generalised trend in Christianity to the individual beliefs of a few philosophers, and taking some of the metaphorical or figurative comments of those philosophers at face value. It contains useful information, for sure (the section on Hart's belief that they exist is good) but I believe it could be better integrated into a general "modern belief in fairies" section. Apcynan (talk) 08:31, 5 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. The section should be clarified regarding how this is only a minority idea within Christianity. And Tolkien is only explicit about the possible reality of fairies in two places, the conversation reported by Lewis and the “Manuscript B” that I note. In addition to the five or so modern Christian thinkers, there are many example that are not modern, however, and I think it makes the most sense consolidated as a minority voice within Christianity. Jjhake (talk) 12:42, 5 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Apcynan: reading over your comment again, I might need to put some quotes into the citations to help here. The “Manuscript B” by Tolkien is clearly a second example of Tolkien being very glad to entertain a literal belief in fairies. The material from Milbank, Clark, Hart, and Lewis are all substantial as well in the more modern era. There is much more that could be cited when it comes to premodern Christianity as well, of course. Jjhake (talk) 12:57, 5 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Apcynan: I've tried restructuring the section to achieve several things: 1) make it clear that belief in fairies is a minority position within the Christian tradition, 2) follow a chronological order to allow for notes on the changes in the nature of belief that do take place with modernity, 3) select a more clear and explicit passage from Tolkien. There are no doubt far too many block quotes, and those should likely be summarized and cut down to very brief in-line quotations of just brief key phrases. I'm also open to the concern that this entire section is misplaced or poorly-structured in some more basic way, but I'm hoping that my few edits are starting to address some of the problems that you pointed. Jjhake (talk) 19:00, 5 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

There should be a note of Fairy's etymology from Peri

The word Fairy/Fae ultimately comes from the Indo-Iranian 'peri'. It's very odd that this page makes absolutely no mention of that. A bit dubious, if I'm being straightforward. 75.213.21.10 (talk) 10:32, 7 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the note. It does not look like most would consider there to be an etymological connection:
However, I see some great sources to use in finding connections between stories, and will hope to find ways to improve the article using such content:
  • "Oriental Fairy Tale and its Influence on European Literature: Intertextuality of Texts and Translations" by Sabohat Allamurodova and Bakhtiyor Rakhmanov
  • "The Indo-Iranian Influence on Tolkien" by Michael McClain
Jjhake (talk) 15:52, 7 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, the OED for "Fairy" and "Fay" doesn't take it any further back than the Latin. Johnbod (talk) 01:53, 10 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

improper paragraph

the paragraph

A group of fairies is called a “spark.” For instance, “the spark of fairies moved so quickly they looked like a flash of lightning.”

is uncited, narrative dialogue, and generally detracts from the article. it should be removed. 2601:649:0:E890:C073:FBFD:6E2:57ED (talk) 23:06, 9 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

True. I think that I added the citation needed tag a long while back. Another issue with it is that it was just inserted into the lede. If a good sources exists, such info might go in the article body somewhere but not the lede. Just deleted it. Jjhake (talk) 00:55, 10 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 10 August 2023

Change Celtic to Gael 146.198.75.64 (talk) 19:08, 10 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. The word "Celtic" appears 10 times in this article. Please make your request more specific. Pinchme123 (talk) 22:29, 10 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Fairies, Sidhe, and Skeaghshee

Your information about the fae is wonderful, and it is really helpful in my book, Estrella. But there are a few things you need to revise, and you missed many things. Now, this is just Irish culture, but on the creation of fairies you need to add the origin of fallen angels mating with humans, creating the Fae. Also, the Skeaghshee. They are tree fairies who live outside of The Middle Kingdom in a fairy mound. They pledge alliance to their goddess, Morrigna (Morr-e-gna) and the Sidhe. You see, the Sidhe, Skeaghshee, and the Fairies are all branches of The Nephilim. I just thought I would add some insight. 76.145.181.225 (talk) 21:05, 24 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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