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Former good article nomineeEurope was a good articles nominee, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. There may be suggestions below for improving the article. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.
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Politics

Political map of Europe following the Congress of Vienna, 1815

The first sentence "The political map of Europe is substantially derived from the re-organisation of Europe following the Napoleonic Wars in 1815." is nonsense. Compare political map of Europe from 1815 (which moreover shows "congress Poland" that did not exist in fact), which is in this article, with recent political map of Europe. Much more important were later unifications of Italy and Germany, new countries in Balkan, new countries after first WW, new countries after breaks of Soviet Union and Yugoslavia.

Which of these countries existed in 1816: Belgium, Bulgaria, Croatia, Finland, Greece, Ireland, Italy, Latvia, Poland, Slovakia, Ukraine? None! And these were only examples, not full list. Nadsenec2 (talk) 15:55, 17 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. Most of eastern Europe was Austria-Hungary, the Ottoman Empire, the Russian Empire, and Prussia. None of these exist today, of course. I don't see that today there's any particular continuing bond special to the countries that arose out of any one of these. Largoplazo (talk) 22:45, 17 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Old inaccurate data in "Major cities and urban areas" section

The wiki states:

> The next largest cities in order of population are Madrid, Saint Petersburg, Milan, Barcelona, Berlin, and Rome each having over three million residents.

Citing a source dated to 2016. But if you click to the suggested Wiki page for further information, it contains way more recent data and a different ranking (List of European cities by population within city limits)

I would update it, but the page is restricted so I'm bringing it up here. Leonardobe (talk) 21:25, 18 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Inappropiate .eu reference

I find the .eu reference inappropriate, it seems to derive from (and feed into) a confusion between Europe and the EU, which are two very different things:

- Less than 50% of the area in Europe is controlled by the EU (this is true even if you include disputed territories in Ukraine).

- Some parts of the EU are not even in Europe! E.g. Ceuta and Canary Islands. Robert1dB (talk) 11:16, 1 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

What is the .eu reference? ".eu" seems to appear only 3 times, all in the reference section. CMD (talk) 11:28, 1 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

We have an article: .eu. It is the top-level domain for the European Union. Not the same thing as Europe, the continent, which is the subject of this article. I agree that it doesn't belong in this article. ~Anachronist (talk) 16:29, 1 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Where is it on this article and to what purpose? CMD (talk) 17:12, 1 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Chipmunkdavis: It's no longer in the article. It was in the infobox as the 'internet' parameter, which makes sense for the European Union article, but not here. ~Anachronist (talk) 18:05, 1 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Cyprus and Armenia

Cyprus and Armenia are not geographically located in Europe. They are only associated with Europe, and thus should be removed from the list. Can somebody change it, because the page is currently protected. Thank you in advance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:A44E:FA4A:0:70B8:89BD:B14C:13B1 (talk) 13:14, 7 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This is why we have notes. Archives908 (talk) 01:47, 8 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, but the issue is, they shouldn't be included on the list in the first place. 2A02:A44E:FA4A:0:70B8:89BD:B14C:13B1 (talk) 02:20, 8 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
There has been a longstanding practice of treating all these continent lists expansively. Continents are ill-defined cultural concepts, and it is easier to have entries in multiple lists with clarifying notes than to pick and run with a particular definition across all pages. CMD (talk) 02:42, 8 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Number of muslims in Europe

The article says 17.9% of European population is muslim, that would be around 135 million people. The source cited to support this information and also other articles on wikipedia itself (see ‘muslims in Europe’) clearly state that they are around 45 million, so around 6% 151.18.129.5 (talk) 09:57, 8 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Mention climate change?

So far the article does not mention climate change once. How would people feel if I added an excerpt to climate change in Europe to this article, perhaps below the section on "climate"? I think an excerpt is better than new text because this is something that will continually change over time, and would then have to be updated in two places, not just one. Compare also with how it's done for the Africa article. Pinging User:Chidgk1 and User:RCraig09 for comment. EMsmile (talk) 11:29, 30 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • No strong opinion Though transclusions are often read clumsily when inserted, and tend to bloat the length of destination articles, this is article is a reasonable target for a transclusion. —RCraig09 (talk) 15:38, 30 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
No excerpts, please – it's a total pain to have to go to some completely other page to edit the content of an article. Why not just write or copy over a sentence or two of content that is directly relevant to the continent of Europe and nowhere else (if there is any?). Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 19:38, 30 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Excerpts are a brilliant tool for any content that is likely to change over time, in the near future. So rather than updating the content in several places, it just needs to be updated in the source article (climate change in Europe in this case) and is automatically updated in any other article where the content is used. We use them a lot in WikiProject Climate Change as some of the figures are continually going up or down (think sea level rise, ocean acidification, global surface temperatures, CO2 in the atmosphere etc.). See e.g. the way excerpts are used at effects of climate change. So I don't think they are a "total pain", quite the contrary.
For this case here, we can still ponder if it's better to just copy two general sentences across, perhaps those that do not contain numbers. In any case, do folks agree that it would be fair to say something about climate change in Europe in the Europe article? EMsmile (talk) 22:13, 30 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Europe's warming temperature and heatwaves probably merit some coverage in the Climate section. CMD (talk) 02:38, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Because later someone will likely update one of the articles but not the other which will get out of date Chidgk1 (talk) 14:10, 4 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Russia is not in Europe.

This article mentions that Russia is a part of Europe but last I checked , it was a part of Asia.If Russia used to be in Europe , then I would have excused this mistake but it was NEVER part of Europe.Any thoughts? 180.151.17.56 (talk) 12:41, 13 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Russia is a transcontinental country and the part of Russia situated in Europe is literally called European Russia. Depending on the continent model you're using, it is wholly situated in Eurasia if the model doesn't regard Europe and Asia as separate continents. –Vipz (talk) 13:15, 13 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The last you checked where? Europe doesn't end at the Russian border. Moscow is in Europe. St. Petersburg is in Europe. And, if you look at Kaliningrad, the piece of Russia wedged between Lithuania and Poland, where do you think it is? Largoplazo (talk) 13:18, 13 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Although Russia lies both in Asia and Europe, it is generally listed as a European country, at least politically, since it's capital Moscow lies in Europe. Rasnaboy (talk) 13:42, 13 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Um Russia is culturally European as well. It is mostly populated by Slavs. And Russia is the largest country in Europe. Undashing (talk) 05:43, 26 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Before 1600 all of Russia was in Europe so clearly a fully European country then, and still the majority of the population (~70%) lives in the European part. So Russian history and population support a predominantly European classification of Russia (although the area in Asia is larger, it is thinly populated). Arnoutf (talk) 15:22, 13 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Someone doesn't know geography! Russia has always been part of Europe. They conquered Siberia in the 16th century. Undashing (talk) 05:46, 26 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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