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Section sizes

Section size for Wagner Group (41 sections)
Section name	Byte count	Section total
(Top)	47,034	47,034
Origins and leadership	1,521	16,564
Yevgeny Prigozhin	7,067	7,067
Dmitry Utkin	6,889	6,889
Konstantin Pikalov	1,087	1,087
Organization	11,933	35,325
Recruitment, training, techniques	13,221	13,221
Units	12	10,171
Rusich unit	5,119	5,119
Serb unit	5,040	5,040
Relationship with the Russian state	23,519	30,584
Wagner Group rebellion	7,065	7,065
Activities	543	89,244
Ukraine	1,012	37,461
Crimea annexation and War in Donbas	14,696	14,696
Full-scale invasion of Ukraine since 2022	21,753	21,753
Belarus	9,716	9,716
Syria	10,513	10,513
Africa	5,273	28,663
Sudan	5,412	5,412
Central African Republic	7,305	7,305
Libya	4,252	4,252
Mali	6,421	6,421
Venezuela	2,348	2,348
Possible activities	24	9,413
Moldova	962	962
Nagorno-Karabakh	5,042	5,042
Serbia	680	680
Other	2,705	2,705
Casualties	19,588	19,588
Sanctions	8,817	8,817
Plane crash	3,962	3,962
Far-right elements	6,759	6,759
Awards and honors	9,078	9,078
Post Yevgeny Prigozhin's death	2,848	3,799
Nationalization of Wagner Group	951	951
Notable members	719	719
See also	96	96
Citations	27	27
Further reading	4,515	4,515
External links	1,170	1,170
Total	286,694	286,694

Neopagan connections

Here’s an source [1] suggesting deep connections between Wagner Group activities and Rodnovery beliefs and practices, a link which goes beyond merely the fact that members of Wagner (as with certain divisions in the regular Russian military) are disproportionately Rodnovers.

Apparently, the group’s trademark use of sledgehammers for torture and execution is a nod to the use of hammer symbols in various pagan myths (e.g., Mjolnir); Prigozhin himself reportedly acknowledged this connection while he was alive. Senior figures in the Russian Orthodox Church have denounced him and other Wagner leaders as pagans. Wagner also reportedly founded an ideological division in 2019 whose primary focus was promoting Rodnovery. The source I linked does take care to mention that there are plenty of Slavic neopagans, particularly outside of Russia, who oppose Wagner’s use of their faith’s symbolism. This article should certainly mention all of this; it’s not entirely accurate to describe Wagner as non-ideological. It’d be better to say that to the extent that Wagner Group had an ideology, it would have been Rodnover nationalism. 2604:2D80:6984:3800:0:0:0:77FB (talk) 02:52, 17 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Wagner group itself is not pagan, they are orthodox Christian I believe you are thinking of Rusich Group which is pagan and has a Slavic pagan icon on their patch Napalm Guy (talk) 04:29, 3 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

[minor] Sergei Shoigu image description change

I believe the image description of the image portraying Sergei Shoigu should use past tense, as it refers to the deceased Prigozhin. Emlythk (talk) 20:43, 21 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Please replace File:Wagner armed rebellion vehicle marking Z.png with File:Wagner armed rebellion vehicle marking Z.svg Rainbowlack (talk) 22:37, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: no reason given for the proposed change. M.Bitton (talk) 21:42, 9 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Done. HappyWith (talk) 01:23, 12 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

IDF?

Why is IDF listed as opponent? No source is given for this. Genabab (talk) 15:16, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Looks like that's related to (lower down in the info box) involvement in the 2023 Israel-Hamas War. The citation listed for that is Gordon, Michael R.; Salama, Vivian (2 November 2023). "Russia's Wagner Group Plans to Send Air Defenses to Hezbollah, U.S. Says". The Wall Street Journal. Retrieved 2 November 2023 https://www.wsj.com/world/russias-wagner-group-may-provide-air-defense-weapon-to-hezbollah-u-s-intel-says-37dc8f45 TurnipWatch (talk) 21:55, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

"Plans to send" and "is sending" are two different things. Until they are actually confirmed to be sending we stick with WP:NOTCRYSTALBALL. This was also discussed over at the 2023 Israel-Hamas War article and consensus was that until it is confirmed that Wagner are actually actively providing support to Hamas they are not to be included. EkoGraf (talk) 01:33, 17 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]