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Same Generation?

What genius put, and keeps it there, The Switch in the same generation as the system it replaced? The Switch is not 8th but in the 9th generation. No donations this month until t his is corrected. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.117.182.52 (talk) 18:06, 19 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Console generations are defined not by technical improvements but by which systems they were considered to compete against. The Switch, given current reliable sources, has competed primarily against the Xbox One and PS4, so makes it a 8th generation system. It may also be a 9th generation competing against the PS5 and Xbox Series X/S, but we don't have enough data for that yet. --Masem (t) 18:10, 19 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
FYI, Resetera is up in arms over the generations classifications today, so expect some more less-than-constructive commentary like the above. Sergecross73 msg me 18:16, 19 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The Genesis competed with the NES. Just as well, the Dreamcast briefly competed with the PS1. If you analyze the Switch by the same standards, it's easy to see it as the first 9th gen system. --186.242.243.153 (talk) 02:57, 26 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Statista lists the Switch with the PS5 and Xbox Series X/S [1]. Perhaps it's time the system is migrated to the 9th generation.142.161.249.114 (talk) 17:33, 14 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Statista is an unreliable source on Wikipedia. -- ferret (talk) 17:56, 14 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The ideal determinant factor would be how many days the Nintendo Switch has competed against its 8th and 9th generation counterparts.
As it stands, the number of days between the launch of the Nintendo Switch and the launch of the Xbox Series X (2 days before the PlayStation 5) is 1,344 days.
The number of days between the launch of the XSX to today is only 888 days. Logically, it would have to be December 21, 2026 before it would be justified that the Switch is classified as 9th gen.
216.58.1.46 (talk) 05:38, 17 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The problem is that "generations" are not based on a timeline (though historically they have happened to be roughly every 5 years), but based on what are the systems typically grouped together in reliable sources as part of a common generation. This is why we know the Switch belongs to the 8th generation, but it also may be part of the ninth too, we're not sure yet. Masem (t) 12:44, 17 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
When are you going "to be sure"? It has been 3 years since the release of both PS5 and XBX|S. The Switch is still selling well, and it is very obvious now that it is competing against the PS5 and XBX|S. Even the NPD group is pretty much acknowledging that the Switch competes with the 9th gen systems. 61.9.108.144 (talk) 02:20, 16 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ https://www.statista.com/chart/26122/estimated-lifetime-sales-of-current-gen-consoles-by-market/

Oculus systems

Shouldn't the Oculus systems (Quest 1 and 2, Go) be included, since they're technically handheld consoles with their own libraries and exclusive games? Endianer (talk) 18:32, 8 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

We can add a section on other hardware, and include the VR devices (Ocilulus, PSVR, etc), as well as cloud gaming options. --Masem (t) 18:50, 8 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Are they consoles per se? There becomes some question as to where the line is drawn. Virtual reality headset never calls them consoles, for example. --Jayron32 18:53, 8 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
They can be both VR headsets and consoles. The fact they're centered on the VR gimmick doesn't make them any less consoles, just like the Wii and 3DS were consoles with their own gimmicks. The Quest and Go are definitely their own systems that can run on their own, unlike the Rift or PSVR. You don't need a PC to play games on them. IIRC, Oculus even marketed the Quest as a VR-centric console. Endianer (talk) 19:01, 8 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, I don't see them being called consoles generally. I wouldn't mention them outside of a passing mention... Sergecross73 msg me 19:01, 8 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
How do we even define consoles? Because as far as I can tell they fulfill all the criteria. Endianer (talk) 19:03, 8 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Do you have sources that call them consoles? Because the term "VR console" is essentially unknown according to ngrams. It's not a term that is used to describe them. --Jayron32 19:07, 8 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Sure. A quick google search shows that a number of reliable sources refer to them as consoles, like CNET or The Verge. Endianer (talk) 19:11, 8 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Fair enough. Carry on. --Jayron32 19:14, 8 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Cool it on the Switch Generation specifics right now

I think most of us are on the same page that the Switch is 8th-gen because it was released to compete with the Xbox One and PS5 and they spent the most time competing with each other so far, and I want to point out that this happened multiple times in previous generations, i.e. the Atari 2600 released in 77, the 5200 released in 83, and the next generation started in 83, the 5200 was targeted to compete with other 2nd gen consoles not the new 3rd gen ones. Generations span a long time with a lot of overlap, the last 4th gen console was discontinued after the first 6th gen consoles had started production. The PS2 lived from 2000-2013, living until the Wii was discontinued, that doesn't make it a 7th gen console, it didn't compete with the Wii, the PS3 did. Nobody marketed them against each other.

If Nintendo releases an upgraded Switch and markets it as a competitor to the Xbox Series/PS5 then *that* can be gen 9. Wintergreen0354 (talk) 22:46, 27 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The Switch is already marked as a competitor to the PS5 and the XBX|S. Every industry outlet and even NPD is already pitting it with Sony and Microsoft's current gen systems. 61.9.108.144 (talk) 02:34, 16 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The argument over how things should be classified here strikes me as entirely original research. Console generations are arbitrary groupings defined by reliable sources, and sources don't seem to agree on where the Switch belongs, e.g.:
  • Wired ([1]): Nintendo hasn't made its ninth-generation intentions known yet. A souped-up Switch is likely on the horizon, but will it still retain the form factor?
  • BBC ([2]): Is Switch eighth gen or ninth gen? We don't know. Let's say it's ninth because we're running out of space.
That is unsurprising. If generations are defined simply by how companies market them, then the Switch and WiiU wouldn't be in the same generation, as the Switch was marketed as a direct successor and WiiU production was discontinued prior to the Switch's launch ([3]). When the Switch launched it was sometimes referred to with terms like Nintendo's next-generation game console, but there wasn't otherwise a "new generation" of consoles it was being contrasted against (e.g. [4]). Most early reporting on the "ninth generation" platforms focuses on the Xbox Series X and PS5, likely because of launch timing and marketing (e.g. [5]). Reporting on console sales at the time the Switch launched compared its sales against the PS4 and Xbox One (e.g [6], [7]), while current reporting on console sales compares the Switch to the PS5 and Xbox Series X/S (e.g. [8], [9]).
Most reporting seems to use terms like "current generation" to describe what is actively competing at the time of reporting (i.e. the distinction isn't about whether a company has released a successor console, but just that the "current generation" is current major consoles, so in 2018 that'd have been the Switch, PS4, and Xbox One, and in 2022 it was the Switch, PS5, and Xbox Series X/S). Explicitly numbered terms like "eighth generation" and "ninth generation" are somewhat rare in reporting. Plenty of sources argue that they don't exist at all, and plenty of those which do use these terms cite them back to Wikipedia, as noted in this Gamesradar article ([10]): The issue is that there's no real accepted numbering of generations. If people have an idea of how the generations should be numbered, it's probably based on a Wikipedia article.
The Switch likely should be mentioned on both pages. I think the honest problem is the continued insistence on categorizing consoles neatly into numbered generations regardless of whether it is supported by sources. Dylnuge (Talk • Edits) 21:57, 2 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Nintendo switch is a 9th gen not an 8th gen console

End of story Gahex220 (talk) 13:51, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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