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oops.

i've created A-50 entry too.

Is there a proper way to join the postings?

A-50 vs SKIP

one more "ooops":

The picture is not for A-50, but for SKIP.

and the text

 A-50 looks much close to the SKIP aircraft (the fore cockpit should have no glass).

defines the difference!

How to fix??

--jno 14:58, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Further to this, there were three types of telemetry aircraft:- Izdeliye-676, Izdeliye-776, Izdeliye-976. (Aircraft-676 etc.), converted from Il-76 airframes.

They were never officially given Bureau prefixes, which were assumed by western observers, before factual information became available. Izdeliye-676 and 776 were quick modifications to replace the Il-18SIP (prototype Il-20RT), which had to be retired unexpectedly from its telemetry duties at LII. Izdeliye-976 (SKIP) was produced as a joint venture with Beriev and five aircraft were converted, from brand new Il-76MD's. The fuselage was virtually stock Il-76 except for the added radomes and aerials, wingtip pods contained more equipment. Colour scheme is standard Aeroflot with "976" in place of Il-76MD on the nose. Nato :- 'Mainstay-C'. A model of an Izdeliye-976 variant, titled Il-76SK, was shown at MAKS-95 and Farnborough 96.

Hope this is a bit clearer, maybe it can be worked into the article? Petebutt (talk) 16:15, 31 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

One more aircraft was modified for unknown duties as Izdeliye-1076. Petebutt (talk) 16:19, 31 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Fuselage length

This article states that the A-50 has a fuselage extention and is longer than the IL-76 and the IL-78, yet the dimensions are the same for the 3 aircraft. I was not able to find any evidence supporting that the A-50 is any longer than IL-76MD —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Hudicourt (talk • contribs) 21:55, 31 December 2006 (UTC).[reply]

Engines

I do not think that the A-50 has PS-90 engines. These are fitted on the IL-76MF and on the IL-76MD-90 but I think that the A-50 has the same D30-KP engines as the IL-76MD —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Hudicourt (talk • contribs) 22:03, 31 December 2006 (UTC).[reply]

The Indian Air Force A-50s have PS-90 enginesHudicourt (talk) 17:13, 16 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Cargo Doors

In the text it is stated tha the doors were "welded up". This is a very poor choice of words. Welding of Aluminium Alloy primary structure is unheard of due, to issues with phase of the Alloy/heat treatment.

A better wording would be "deleted" or "faired over" Petebutt (talk) 15:42, 31 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Izdeliye 976 etc.

I have editted the variant section to show the proper designations of the Izdeliye conversions. Strictly speaking they should be moved to the Il-76 page as they had/have no relation to the A-50 other than the rotodome fairing. Discussion anyone? Petebutt (talk) 16:49, 31 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

a-50 picture

can someone upload a newer pic of the a-50, this current pic is ancient. there have been upgrades done to the new version. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Midgetman433 (talk • contribs) 18:24, 4 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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A -50 shot over the sea of Azov

How you know that it was not a friendly fire? 79.100.221.83 (talk) 11:26, 15 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Questionable, this seems to have been a known/regular patrol route. But it may be possible the Ukrainians managed to hack into the electronics communication of a radar station/SAM battery to mark these aircraft as enemy. How they managed to get these 2 a/c is a mystery as its out of range for Patriot or Partisan-fired Manpads. --Denniss (talk) 11:45, 15 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That section should be removed until further information is available.

There's no visual evidence of the A-50 being shot down or any visual evidence of it's wreckage.

The Russian MOD says only an Il-22 has been damaged. The Ukrainian MOD haven't provided any proof of the A-50 being shot down.

There's no definitive confirmation from russian millbloggers.

All the shoot down methods are bizzare and speculative.

The intended purpose of Wikipedia is to provide well sourced information. At the very least it should be changed to "Ukrainian MOD claims to have..." Mhaf99 (talk) 12:32, 15 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's also noteworthy that ukraine AD has no means available that reach that far. Markscheider (talk) 17:00, 15 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not true. Ukraine have Patriot PAC-2 and S-200 missile systems. Both have range to hit that far. Both systems already used by Ukraine in last months. Slavic Positron Cannon (talk) 14:42, 16 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

has never happened, but was still added without any viable source 2A02:2A57:5348:0:2165:B3F3:3E86:FFAE (talk) 17:51, 15 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Just like the IL-22 was never ever damaged by something - the tail looks like swiss cheese. The flight pattern of the A-50 was obviously known from previous actions (dumb if they dont change it) or at least similar to previous flights. If they have used Patriots the launcher must have come very close to the frontline and the A-50 must have flown a path that brought it into the edge of the Patriots range. The only other option would be something long range air launched. --Denniss (talk) 19:48, 15 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Given that FEBA is 100 mls away from the Asow coast at the nearest possible location, they must've launched the missile without turning on their radars when the A-50 was on it's way to the near-coast turning point to met it there. This would imply external intel / guidance. For something long range air launched - what's the most long ranged AA missile in Ukrainian or western inventory and what could be an possible launch platform? Markscheider (talk) 22:08, 15 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I personally think that it would be best to add "allegedly " and "it is claimed" to both sentencies regarding the A-50 allegged shotdown since both of them come from a pro ukrainian source and after two days there is still no actual proof of the shootdown having really happened. No photos of debris, no satellite pictures, no movement of rescue assets in Azov Sea Area, nothing. If actual proof later appear we can simply remove this phrases and add the pictures Marcorivignani (talk) 12:42, 16 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Patriot PAC-2 have 160+ km range. S-200, in upgraded version, have 240 km range. From russian wikipedia article about S-200: "for loitering AWACS plane - up to 255km". Slavic Positron Cannon (talk) 14:54, 16 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Good to know, still waiting for any actual proof of the shootdown, a plane cannot simply disappear in the Azov Sea. Three articles that use the same sources of the Ukrainian ministry of Defence are not enought if the is no confermation from the other side or from any other place Marcorivignani (talk) 15:37, 16 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

8 A-50 active

8 A-50U active. The number is higher if both the baseline and U model are included. Also India operates 2 A-50s Mhaf99 (talk) 12:34, 15 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]