User talk:Anwegmann/Archives/2023/October
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Mark Mampassi
The Ukrainian-language source you removed literally states he took Russian citizenship. His announcement at his current club mentions that he has Russian citizenship. You don't get to remove sourced content just because you feel like it, especially from a BLP, and in particular as it's under WP:CTOP. Continue acting like that and you'll find yourself blocked sooner rather than later. Cheers. Ostalgia (talk) 17:37, 3 October 2023 (UTC)
- @Ostalgia: WP:MOSETHNICITY makes clear that secondary citizenships belong in the article body, not in the lede. In this article, a statement is made and sourced that he has Russian citizenship. According to clear and established consensus, that is enough. Stop getting annoyed by this. You in turn don't get to make up your own standards. Anwegmann (talk) 17:40, 3 October 2023 (UTC)
- From that very same MOS page (remember MOS =/= policy, though):
neither previous nationalities nor the country of birth should be mentioned in the lead unless relevant to the subject's notability
. In this particular situation it is relevant, as can be surmised from the source you removed, as well as other articles in Ukrainian that take issue with the player seeking and obtaining Russian citizenship in the middle of a war. Ostalgia (talk) 17:48, 3 October 2023 (UTC)- It's not relevant to his footballing notability, because he was born in Ukraine and has only ever represented Ukraine. And, for the second time, I didn't "remove" the source. It appears in the "Personal life" section where it belongs. Stop being accusatory. Anwegmann (talk) 17:57, 3 October 2023 (UTC)
- It's not relevant to his footballing notability, but it's relevant to his notability. A footballer, as well as any other person, may receive substantial coverage for extra-professional reasons, which he did. Ostalgia (talk) 18:40, 3 October 2023 (UTC)
- Absolutely zero of which is mentioned even in passing in the article. Anwegmann (talk) 19:02, 3 October 2023 (UTC)
- I agree with Ostalgia. All current nationalities should be mentioned. MOS:NATIONALITY cites two examples of dual citizenship in the lead. And for footballers there has been a RfC that concluded all nationalities should be referred to in the opening sentence of the article. Frenchl (talk) 19:48, 3 October 2023 (UTC)
- Bring it to WP:FOOTY, not my talk page. We can't get anything done here. Anwegmann (talk) 21:04, 3 October 2023 (UTC)
- WP:FOOTY has no editorial power. Frenchl (talk) 22:15, 3 October 2023 (UTC)
- Indeed, but it is a wider discursive space. Anwegmann (talk) 22:34, 3 October 2023 (UTC)
- WP:FOOTY has no editorial power. Frenchl (talk) 22:15, 3 October 2023 (UTC)
- Bring it to WP:FOOTY, not my talk page. We can't get anything done here. Anwegmann (talk) 21:04, 3 October 2023 (UTC)
- I agree with Ostalgia. All current nationalities should be mentioned. MOS:NATIONALITY cites two examples of dual citizenship in the lead. And for footballers there has been a RfC that concluded all nationalities should be referred to in the opening sentence of the article. Frenchl (talk) 19:48, 3 October 2023 (UTC)
- Absolutely zero of which is mentioned even in passing in the article. Anwegmann (talk) 19:02, 3 October 2023 (UTC)
- It's not relevant to his footballing notability, but it's relevant to his notability. A footballer, as well as any other person, may receive substantial coverage for extra-professional reasons, which he did. Ostalgia (talk) 18:40, 3 October 2023 (UTC)
- It's not relevant to his footballing notability, because he was born in Ukraine and has only ever represented Ukraine. And, for the second time, I didn't "remove" the source. It appears in the "Personal life" section where it belongs. Stop being accusatory. Anwegmann (talk) 17:57, 3 October 2023 (UTC)
- From that very same MOS page (remember MOS =/= policy, though):
- @Ostalgia: WP:MOSETHNICITY makes clear that secondary citizenships belong in the article body, not in the lede. In this article, a statement is made and sourced that he has Russian citizenship. According to clear and established consensus, that is enough. Stop getting annoyed by this. You in turn don't get to make up your own standards. Anwegmann (talk) 17:40, 3 October 2023 (UTC)
On liberian elections
I am trying to do an edit but i was disconnected Friendlyhistorian (talk) 22:22, 23 October 2023 (UTC) I could not get it to work basically what i was trying to do was move the elections to the back before the dates but i cant get it to work Οκ I did what i wanted to do sorry if i caused any issue take care