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What is SugarDaddyMeet?

@MartinezMD:Cody Wilson had sexual intercourse with a 16-year-old girl he found on the website SugarDaddyMeet. What is the purpose of this website? As of today, the article calls SugarDaddyMeet "a website that matches older men with younger women." Is "matches" the right word? The article makes it sound like SugarDaddyMeet is match-making service. The "match" is a little unequal, no? One side pays and the other doesn't. Should we be naive? The whole thing sounds kind of mercenary to me -- you know, like the John pays the harlot. Anyhow, taking into account what happened after he was "matched," Cody Wilson acted like a John. Chisme (talk) 21:19, 2 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

This is original research. It is speculation. It is not in the sources. Your comment here doesn't belong on the talk page - BLP is very clear about talk page speculation on BLP's. I deleted your comment per WP:NOTAFORUM, but you've chosen to revert it. Please explain how your speculations are appropriate to the talk page of a BLP. Anastrophe (talk) 22:24, 2 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I was the one who reverted, and I was typing up a LONG explanation about WP policies WP:neutral, WP:BLP, WP:NOR. when I went to publish your edit destroyed my reply. Wish you had read the the comment applied to my reversion so I wouldn't have lost it. MartinezMD (talk) 22:29, 2 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Intermediate edits by other editors does not "destroy" your edits. Not my problem that you lost them. You just made an edit while I was editing this response. It didn't destroy my edit.
Let me flesh this out for you. You wrote:"Cody Wilson had sexual intercourse with a 16-year-old girl he found on the website SugarDaddyMeet". False. Speculation. Cody Wilson is alleged to have done that. He has not been found guilty in court of law. You've stated it as fact, which is a violation of BLP. "Should we be naive?" No, what we do is report what sources say, and leave our personal assumptions out of it. "Cody Wilson acted like a John." Again. Speculation, assuming facts not in sources or evidence. Entirely inappropriate to a BLP, or its talk page.
Nice of you to claim that you were going to 'educate' me on WP policies, but I suggest your refresh your understanding of BLP and OR. This entire thread should be deleted. We don't use a talk page of a BLP to conflate speculations about alleged incidents/behavior into bald statements of fact. Anastrophe (talk) 22:34, 2 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
One further comment - to clarify, my 'you' is referring to user chisme, in all places. It is...confusing to say the least that chisme posted - and pinged you for some reason - then you reverted my reversion. Don't know what the relationship is between you and chisme - ultimately not relevant. But that's what led to the confusion. Apologies for misattribution. Anastrophe (talk) 22:43, 2 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, this is craptastic. I haven't kept up with the article. Most of what I've written above is utterly off the mark. Now I'm hoping someone will remove this entire discussion, simply because I'm an ass. Apologies to Chisme. Apologies to MartinezMD. Anastrophe (talk) 22:47, 2 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
LOL. It's okay. I was angry for a minute and now laughing. I'm just trying to explain to Chisme that although what he's written might be the case, it cannot stand because of the BLP, Neutral, NOR, and RS policies. MartinezMD (talk) 22:49, 2 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

My objection is to one little word -- "matches." I trust everyone here knows what a sugardaddy is. Woman don't sign up to SuggarDaddyMeet to find old men who will mentor them or offer them thoughtful advice about how to face the future. No need to get your dander up. I'm just looking for a better word than "matches" to describe this site. "Connects" maybe. Chisme (talk) 01:20, 3 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I see nothing wrong with the word "match". It is neutral. The younger woman/girl was looking for someone; the older man was looking for someone. Regardless of their motives, they were matched. MartinezMD (talk) 12:32, 3 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I suppose my objection to the word comes from its association with matchmaking. As the Wikipedia article says, "Matchmaking is the process of matching two or more people together, usually for the purpose of marriage..." Marriage wasn't the purpose here, obviously. The Wikipedia article does note that "the word is also used in the context of sporting events such as boxing, in business, in online video games and in pairing organ donors." Perhaps the article should be amended to say it is also used in the context of prostitution. Chisme (talk) 16:05, 3 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think you'll have to worry with the connotation of the word, given the name of the website. MartinezMD (talk) 20:24, 3 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Alt-right Category

This article has previously been listed in the Category:Alt-right category and that was recently changed to Category:Alt-right activists, but neither of those are accurate. Wilson is not alt-right, unless we start loosely defining "alt-right" to mean "any radical who is not left." Wilson considers himself an anarchist, and there are other documented sources in this article that concur with that description, but that's not the definition of alt-right. Additionally, there are no documented sources indicating he is alt-right, nor actively associates with any known alt-right figures, other than the fact that some of them used his site, Hatreon. But attracting alt-right figures and being one are not the same. For now, I'm going to remove the category since there aren't any sources to indicate that he is alt-right, and sources actually seem to indicate otherwise. If that's not adequate, please indicate supporting reasons for bringing it back. Butlerblog (talk) 14:09, 17 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I agree on alt-right activists. There's no reliable source suggesting that. The general category alt-right might have come from the Hatreon section. I think there would need to be more sourcing to include that category to this article. MartinezMD (talk) 18:31, 17 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you to an anonymous editor, Jan. 8, 2024

re: edit @ 21:11 EST, January 8, 2024‎ by 47.183.235.185 - If you had a talk page, I would of course leave this note to you there. However, as they say, "if 'if's' and 'buts' were candy and nuts we'd all be eating granola." Thank you for doing the legwork and for the correction to my edit. I received an email alert that there had been a change, and I came in piping hot and ready to revert figuring you had deleted the entirety of my edit. Had a good laugh when I saw that you did exactly what I planned to do by adding the qualifier "former" to Mr. Wilson's notable accomplishments. Bravo and thank you. T R S 03:20, 9 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

regarding the vice article, wilson's sexual assault case, autobiographical editing

this article: https://www.vice.com/en/article/qjvwqx/death-athletic-documentary-jessica-solce-cody-wilson has been used in previous edits as evidence that he's either completed his probation or that the case against him has been 'dismissed'.

the article appears to be primarily an interview with one of wilson's associates about a documentary they created together. however, the information contradicts earlier reporting about his sentencing (he was sentenced to 7 years probation in 2019; the article was published in 2023 and claims the probation was completed in 2022). furthermore, cases aren't dismissed post facto and he has already been tried, convicted, and sentenced. unless by "dismissed" we're talking about his probation period being reduced early, but that would be a very unusual way to phrase it. although i cannot find any information outside of this article to corroborate that, and it doesn't provide any additional context. have there been newer developments? are there any other sources for this?

for the record, this is the relevant quote, which is very brief and seemingly contradicts itself:

"Later that year (2018), Wilson pleaded guilty to charges of sexual assault against a minor. He’d met a 16-year-old girl off a sugar daddy dating site and paid her for sex (he says she claimed to be of legal age), and was sentenced to seven years probation and required to register as a sex offender during this period. In November 2022, Wilson completed his probation, and his case was dismissed."

one other issue with the vice article is that the statement was made immediately after discussion of another case he was involved in. it appears to be referring to his probation, but there isn't actually much clarity. regardless, even if his probation were terminated early, his charges (which he plead guilty to and was sentenced for) weren't wiped from public record, which is what the statement by itself would imply (especially with how the quote was inserted into the wiki article)

there have been periodic edits to this article wiping other aspects of the case as well without explanation, such as police statements or his deportation. curiously, some of these edits have been made by a very old account, which, in 2008, had "The alter-alter-ego of rogue scholar and general misanthropist, C. Rutledge Wilson" in the bio section.

checking page statistics and wow, "C. Ruthledge Wilson" has evidently written the bulk of this article:

https://xtools.wmcloud.org/articleinfo/en.wikipedia.org/Cody_Wilson

https://xtools.wmcloud.org/topedits/en.wikipedia.org/Kamenev/0/Cody%20Wilson

i believe there are rules in place about that sort of conflict-of-interest editing. much of these edits come off

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