Talk:The Traitors (British TV series)

Why is this still a draft and not a page?

The show, in a primetime BBC slot, is now up to episode 7 and has had lots of mainstream media coverage to attest to its notability. Is there a reason this is still just a draft? What needs to change for it to be made into an article? -Kez (talk) 13:32, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

It needs a reception section with lots of good quality sources. The rest of the article also needs more good quality third party sources. - X201 (talk) 14:10, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

Card game spin-off

There's a card game spin-off. Should that be mentioned in the article? ThatRandomGuy1 (talk) 19:59, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

Episode 7 rescheduling

Should this be mentioned. Episode 7 was originally scheduled to be on Wednesday, the 14th of December but was moved to Tuesday, the 15th of December despite the fact that the football was on the BBC both days. (Fran Bosh (talk) 20:35, 20 December 2022 (UTC))

Have now added :) Andre171717 (talk) 13:06, 23 December 2022 (UTC)

Should the contestant/challenge/vote tables be in this article? Should they be moved out come season 2?

Make no mistake, I think the summary tables are very useful, but if we get many more seasons of this they will clutter this main article fairly heavily. Best option might be to make an individual "Series 1" "Series 2" etc article set and keep them there, with this discussing the program as a whole and keeping episode lists. Might be premature to do so now, but also might be good to set the precedent ahead of S2 while it's still being thought about? 2A00:23C6:95C3:6801:712E:AE25:521:4845 (talk) 01:06, 24 December 2022 (UTC)

We can keep the article as it is for now. If the programmes does get recommissioned then we most likely hear about it for another year or so yet so there's no point changing it if Series 2 is just a blank article. XxLuckyCxX (talk) 17:36, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

They should be removed now. They fail various policies and guidelines on a number of grounds and no article on WP should have them. - X201 (talk) 08:34, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

I don't see how they are much different to the tables on pages of other similar series. What's so different about them? Panda815 (talk) 10:14, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

As I said no article, not just this one should have them. They fail a number of things:

• Policy WP:DUE applies; The detailed information is only of interest to fans of the show, most readers won't be interested in the specific outcome of each stage of each episode, Wikipedia articles should give a general understanding and not be written specifically for experts on the subject.
• Policy WP:INDISCRIMINATE "data should be put in context with explanations referenced to independent sources." It's just a table of data that doesn't describe any context.
• Not this article but almost all other articles - WP:V the tables are usually unreferenced.

The mechanics of the show are notable, the contestants and every step they take, generally are not (If they are, there's 50 years worth of every edition of Mastermind, University Challenge and countless other shows for someone to document) and shouldn't be included in WP. - X201 (talk) 10:47, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

My point with that statement was that if you want to correct those mistakes then you're going to have to do so with every other article that has similar. For example, as someone mentioned in an edit description on the main page, Big Brother's series pages all have near identical tables so probably have all the same problems that you've pointed out.

There's no point attacking this article here and getting those tables removed from it if you're going to leave the rest as is. This is a much larger problem than just here so I suggest this article keep the tables unless/until a wider action is taken to sort out all tables that have the same issues once and for all. Panda815 (talk) 12:07, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS isn't a valid argument. Your use of the phrase "attacking this article" is misplaced, no one is attacking the article; just pointing out that the stuff that has been put there is not the stuff that Wikipedia wants. Just because something is on another article doesn't make it right here or there. Everything will be fixed eventually and any small step we can make to avoid confusing readers in the meantime, as Sionk pointed out below, is a good thing. - X201 (talk) 09:11, 8 March 2023 (UTC)

Completely agree that occasional tables are useful, but the amount of trivial information here is way out of hand and WP:UNDUE. As someone mentioned above, they are suitable for a fan site, but not an encyclopedia article intended to sum up what has been said in reliable secondary sources. Describing every step that the competitors take, and every £ they win, is excessive. And to be honest I can't begin to understand the voting table. Sionk (talk) 12:41, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

End date in infobox

There seems to be confusion in the infobox as to the end date of the programme being present or the final episode's date. A second series has not yet been announced so we are to go under the assumption that this is the only series so far. If any news of a cancellation or a recommission is announced, we can change the information as needed. XxLuckyCxX (talk) 18:24, 1 January 2023 (UTC)

Agreed. None of us can predict the future (who knows, this format may go on for 20 years!!) so until a new series is broadcast it makes sense that the end date is the date of the most recent show. Sionk (talk) 15:24, 3 January 2023 (UTC)

Saying present isn't predicting the future it's just saying that it's still in circulation. Now that the second series has been announced, having present illustrates what stage it's in quite well. Also @Sionk, you said when revering present just today that a second series hasn’t been announced. The whole reason that present was put on there today was because of the second series announcement that happened today. Did you not get that? Panda815 (talk) 15:55, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

Just in case this flares up again this year. It's all fully explained in the template instructions, see {{Infobox television}} and see the last_aired field. - X201 (talk) 20:57, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

Runner up(s) definition

How are we defining the phrase runner up(s)? Is it everyone in the finale episode that doesn't win? Is it everyone that votes between banish again and end game that doesn't win? Is it the last traitor left if the faithfuls win? Is it the last faithful left if a traitor or traitors win? (Fran Bosh (talk) 22:35, 26 January 2024 (UTC))

Anyone who makes it to the final episode is decribed as being a 'finalist'. However, series two was different from series one because it was won by a Traitor, therefore the last standing Faithful (Mollie) was neither banished nor victorious. Presumably this is why she's described here as a 'runner up', while the other finalists who were banished can justifiably be described as 'banished'. Mind you, I can't see any sources that describe her as a 'runner up' (they seem to all describe her as a finalist) so maybe you can suggest something different. Sionk (talk) 00:30, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

How does this look? (Fran Bosh (talk) 16:08, 30 January 2024 (UTC))

Series overview

Series	Contestants	Episodes		Originally aired		Winner(s)	Losing finalists	Prize	Traitors
				First aired	Last aired
1	22	12		29 November 2022 (2022-11-29)	22 December 2022 (2022-12-22)	Aaron Evans Hannah Byczkowski Meryl Williams	Wilfred "Wilf" Webster Kieran Tompsett	£101,500	Alyssa Chan Amanda Lovett Wilfred "Wilf" Webster Kieran Tompsett (from ep. 10)
2	22	12		3 January 2024 (2024-01-03)	26 January 2024 (2024-01-26)	Harry Clark	Mollie Pearce Jaz Singh Andrew Jenkins Evie Morrison	£95,150	Ash Bibi Harry Clark Paul Gorton Miles Asteri (from ep. 2) Andrew Jenkins (from ep. 8) Ross Carson (from ep. 9)