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Persistent Vandalism and defwarn of Chad Smith Article by Johnc1 and www.cornsilks.com sockpuppets

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Sint Holo (talk • contribs) 19:46, 8 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Constant deletions of 'negative' views of Smith persist on this article. He is not all "sugar and sunshine" a controversy sectino has now been added with the appropriate sites from news articles. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Skeele (talk • contribs) 19:33, 2 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Allegations of two wives

NO information supports the claim of Chad having two wives. He has a wife and an ex-wife.--BradPatrick 19:07, 18 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Chad only has one wife, but he has 'staggered' sets of children. he admitte this in an interview in the muskogee phoenix during the '99 campaign. sites have been added.

He was never married before, only to Bobbi. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Skeele (talk • contribs) 19:31, 2 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oh yes, praise be to the casinos

Steady economic growth from the casinos. The casinos have been nothing but a boon. Everybody put on a happy face about it. It's not like the casinos play havoc with the job market, attract crime, or reduce our heritage to being little more than a tourist trap designed to fleece unsuspecting travelers. Not a word of how this man's policies have negatively affected the tribe at all. So much for NPOV on this article. I'd edit it, but it'd probably end up being filled with a political diatribe on Smith's policies toward the descendants of slaves, the lack of understanding of the basic concept of citizenship, not to mention the elitism and exclusivity of the current council. If there's someone who is unbiased and cares to make the article look less like it was written by a PR rep and more like an NPOV article, please do so. I'm too hotheaded to make that change myself. 24.254.163.150 (talk) 21:48, 15 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Where are the WikiEditors?

This article is a factual and grammatical disaster. It is by far the worst written and formatted article that I have encountered on Wikipedia. How are the many outside links allowed and clearly partisan viewpoints allowed to stand? Uyvsdi (talk)Uyvsdi —Preceding undated comment was added at 07:38, 28 December 2008 (UTC).[reply]

Education

In part, his education is listed as "Juris Doctorate from the University of Tulsa." In fact, the degree is titled Juris Doctor, not Juris Doctorate, and it is NOT a doctorate, nor is the holder of such degree entitled to use the honorific title of "Dr" before their name. Jkhamlin (talk) 20:09, 1 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

A Juris Doctor degree is in fact a professional doctorate, although as you say a Juris Doctor who calls him/herself "Dr." is regarded as rather over-the-top; I've corrected the item in the article. --Orange Mike | Talk 21:12, 1 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

A holder of a J.D. can put the title Dr in front of the their name. That is a fact. However, the vast majority of holders of J.D. choose not to. But note that many holders of J.D. who are law professors or who are administrators of law schools or work in other areas of academia do put the honorific title Dr. before their name. I agree with Orange Mike's edits though.76.31.116.153 (talk) 16:42, 13 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

2011 Election Results

I reverted Uyvsdi's good faith edit where Uyvsdi stated that Smith has lost re-election and that Baker won. The election is still under review by the Cherokee Nation Supreme Court and there is a hand recount of the votes scheduled for 16 July 2011, which will be personally supervised by the Supreme Court justices themselves. Please do not edit the article to indicate that either Smith lost or Baker won because the truth is that we just don't know who won yet until the whole process is finished.76.31.116.153 (talk) 16:42, 13 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I haven't edited this article in almost two weeks, since it's a similar situation to the most recent Kiowa tribal election. I issued the warning on your talk page based on your restoration of this clever addition to the article: "Smith was caught trying to cheat Bill John Baker in the 2011 Cherokee chief elections. He lost the recount & now must hang his head in great shame." Luckily the administrators agreed to semi-protect the page for the time being. -Uyvsdi (talk) 17:46, 13 July 2011 (UTC)Uyvsdi[reply]

Just for the record I did put that comment back in just because I did not see it. It was added by someone else. If I had seen it I would have removed it also. It is obviously a stupid commentary--with no value. As I stated before, let's just leave the article alone right now until there is a complete and total resolution of the election--which might be on the 16th of July or it might not be.76.31.116.153 (talk) 22:22, 13 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

This article needs work

The information in it is outdated and the "Controversy" section does not employ a neutral tone. Sdkb (talk) 10:01, 8 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move 19 December 2018

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: moved to Chad Smith (politician) per consensus. (closed by non-admin page mover) SITH (talk) 15:27, 26 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Chad "Corntassel" Smith → Chad Smith (Cherokee chief) – or Chad Smith (Cherokee politician) – or Chad Smith (Cherokee leader). Per WP:PSEUDONYM, Wikipedia policy is to avoid putting an alternative name in quotes between a first and last name. He seems to be most commonly known as "Chad Smith". He is primarily referred to in the article and on the Talk page as "Chad Smith". Many of the sources cited in the article are dead or stale links. He is credited on Amazon with writing an introduction to a book Cherokee as "Chadwick Smith" and the preface to another book The Moravian Springplace Mission ... as "Chad Smith". Both Cherokee Phoenix articles call him "Chad Smith". The Cherokee Encyclopedia source calls him "Smith, Chadwick (Ugisata or Corntassel)". —BarrelProof (talk) 06:17, 19 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Why not just Chad Smith (politician)? Guettarda (talk) 15:09, 20 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

That would be OK with me too. —BarrelProof (talk) 15:54, 20 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Support Chad Smith (politician). -- Necrothesp (talk) 16:16, 20 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
OK I'm leaning support on Chad Smith (politician), but I'm still willing to listen to arguments in favour of "Corntassel". Guettarda (talk) 15:27, 21 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Support Chad Smith (politician). Rreagan007 (talk) 23:57, 21 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

Error is recent change to Professional Life section by Dalgazi

The change says: "Chad “Corntassel” Smith is currently serving his third four-year term as Principal Chief of the Cherokee Nation".

Chad Smith is NOT the current Chief. Bill John Baker was elected Chief in 2011. He held the office for 8 years. The current Principal Chief is Chuck Hoskin, Jr. He was elected in 2019.

I do not want to make this change because I know all three of these people. other editors have said this would be a potential conflict of interest for me to change something about someone I personally know. Phil Konstantin Phil Konstantin (talk) 19:56, 9 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Philkon, can you provide a link to a source for the change? Schazjmd (talk) 01:38, 1 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Never mind, I found one that states he lost the 2011 election. I've updated the article (also removing a bunch of political fluff that was unsourced). Schazjmd (talk) 01:45, 1 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]