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The injuries and fatalities section seems misnamed. The title implies people have died either in the ring or as a result of professional wrestling. It cites the fact that Dusty Rhodes, Jimmy Snuka, Ultimate Warrior and Andre the Giantall died within 30 years of Wrestlemania 1990. Post hoc ergo propter hoc. If they died as a result of wrestling, the article in its current form doesn’t show it.

Theater vs Exhibition

I had not looked at Professional Wrestling Wiki section for an extremely long time, and I came across the theater language. I was going to change it from theater to "Athletic Exhibition" but decided that I may be accused of starting an editing war due to it being an opinion or personal distaste. The word exhibition has been used for years to describe Professional Wrestling in the context of being a sport, but with predetermined outcomes. Can we vote to change it? Cmy869 (talk) 21:27, 20 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I oppose. An exhibition is just a staged match, but pro wrestling these days also has characters and storylines. It's theater. Kurzon (talk) 06:40, 21 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

but its not talking about storylines promos or anything its just talking about the sport pro wrestling its gotta be changed 2603:B068:10A0:0:C942:A80E:578C:227C (talk) 19:48, 17 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

but thats the business not the sport itself? there are other professional wrestling businesses which dont have scripts? Shedidd (talk) 13:32, 28 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Notable People

Is it just me or some other people but i think rey mysterio should be in this catorgory anyone else agree? 206.168.50.221 (talk) 18:45, 16 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

scripted athletic exhibition

scripted athletic exhibition is better and desribes it better so dont change it until you comment here with why it should be changed then change it then ill see it so i determine if i should revert it or not Tupac Shakur Thug Life 4Life (talk) 22:59, 17 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Please see the other plentiful discussions around this wording above — Czello ^(music) 23:03, 17 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

i see it but i personally dont agree if we could sit and talk on this subject you could tell me why theater describes it better then scripted athletic exhibition (i will not change it until we are done talking if i change it at all Tupac Shakur Thug Life 4Life (talk) 23:20, 17 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

and now im only gonna change it to get your attention in about 5 mins but im only gonna do it to get your attention no disrespect Tupac Shakur Thug Life 4Life (talk) 23:23, 17 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Making the same change will not work. You need to get people to agree, here on the talk page. Repeating the same edits will just get you blocked. MrOllie (talk) 23:25, 17 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

ok but can we still talk on why theater is better wording to describe pro wrestling then scripted athletic exhibition any one can reply Tupac Shakur Thug Life 4Life (talk) 23:27, 17 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It's supported by reliable sourcing, which is how Wikipedia works. We don't form wording on our own opinion, but on what other sources say. Also I'd advise you not to change it to get people's attention, it's considered disruptive — Czello ^(music) 23:37, 17 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

im sorry i just started and i really wanna know why theatre is better wording then scripted athletic exhibition im sorry ive only made 10 edits im sorry im depressed and i just wanna end it im sorry im stupid im sorry im an idiot im sorry. Tupac Shakur Thug Life 4Life (talk) 23:43, 17 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It's fine. I'd just advise you to read WP:RS and WP:CONSENSUS. We've arrived at the current wording after long discussions around what the sources say, which is athletic theatre. — Czello ^(music) 23:59, 17 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

ok ill leave it Tupac Shakur Thug Life 4Life (talk) 00:17, 18 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The Injuries and fatalities section is fallacious.

The injuries and fatalities section seems misnamed. The title implies people have died either in the ring or as a result of professional wrestling. It cites the fact that Dusty Rhodes, Jimmy Snuka, Ultimate Warrior and Andre the Giantall died within 30 years of Wrestlemania 1990. Post hoc ergo propter hoc. If they died as a result of wrestling, the article in its current form doesn’t show it. 181.197.116.50 (talk) 10:55, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I considered removing that paragraph, but I let it remain in the hope that I could find scholarly sources supporting a link between wrestling and premature mortality. — BillHPike (talk, contribs) 11:02, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've done a first pass at fixing it up. There is a plethora of scholarship on this topic, and, in the long run, I feel this topic has a potential to eventually become a featured article, similar to Fighting in ice hockey. — BillHPike (talk, contribs) 01:26, 26 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Since the death of Chris Benoit in 2006, there has been extensive research conducted to investigate the link between professional wrestling and Chronic traumatic encephalopathy (CTE). If you use the search terms "Pro Wrestling" and "CTE" in a search engine, I imagine you'd be able to gather quite a lot of material that would start you off on the right foot.

More specifically, former professional wrestler, now neuroscientist Christopher Nowinski is another item you should place in a search engine. Nowinski has very specifically scientifically researched the dangers of professional wrestling on the human body. CeltBrowne (talk) 07:26, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If anyone needs a gruesome, direct example of the danger of professional wrestling to justify the subsection I have one for you. One of the biggest stars of professional wrestling in Japan, Mitsuharu Misawa, died in the ring as direct result of a wrestling manoeuvrer and the long-term effects of professional wrestling on his body. This is covered in Mitsuharu Misawa#Death.

While quality of the subsection can and should be improved, the point Professional wrestling#Occupational hazards is making is correct: There are very real hazards and dangers encountered by professional wrestlers during their performances that can injury, or in the most extreme of cases, kill them. CeltBrowne (talk) 07:21, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"Atheltic theatre"

In an earlier discussion, I accepted that the adjective "athletic" could apply to professional wrestling as a type of theatre if you stretch the definition a little, but do we really need that word there? It's fairly obvious, and little superfluous. Kurzon (talk) 05:45, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think it's superfluous – it illustrates why pro wrestling is different to regular, traditional theatre. The athleticism of pro wrestling is a vital part of the genre; the adjective (which is well sourced, mind) illustrates that.

Respectfully, I think it's time to drop this. There was a lot discussion over this one word previously, and you've edit warred to remove it more recently. It's an accurate adjective – why does this one word vex you this much? I would be the first person to mention WP:OWN. — Czello ^(music) 11:41, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]