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Catalog

No.	Year	Artist(s)	Title	Format	Notes
Rune 001	1984	R. Stevie Moore	What's the Point?!!	LP
Rune 002	1984	However	Calling	LP
Rune 003	1985	Present	Le Poison Qui Rend Fou	LP
Rune 004	1985	David Borden/New Mother Mallard Band	Anatidae	LP
Rune 005	1985	The Muffins	Open City	LP
Rune 006	1986	PFS	Illustrative Problems	LP
Rune 007	1986	Piero Milesi	The Nuclear Observatory of Dr. Nanof	LP
Rune 008	1987	Doctor Nerve	Armed Observation	LP
Rune 009	1987	Univers Zero	Heatwave	LP
Rune 010	1988	David Borden/Mother Mallard	Migration	LP
Rune 011	1987	Phil Miller	Cutting Both Ways	LP
Rune 012	08 Jun 2000	Curlew	Live in Berlin	LP, CD, DL
Rune 013	1988	Mikel Rouse Broken Consort	A Lincoln Portrait	LP
Rune 014	1988	Miriodor	Miriodor	LP
Rune 015	1988	Univers Zero	Uzed	LP
Rune 016	01 Jan 1988	Mother Mallard's Portable Masterpiece Company	The Continuing Story of Counterpoint, Parts 9-12	LP, CD, DL
Rune 017	1989	Present	Triskaidekaphobie/Le Poison Qui Rend Fou	LP
Rune 018	1989	Piero Milesi & Daniel Bacalov	La Camera Astratta	LP
Rune 019	01 Jan 1989	Birdsongs of the Mesozoic	Faultline	LP, CD, DL
Rune 020	1989	Univers Zero	1313	LP
Rune 021	01 Jan 1990	David Borden/Mother Mallard	The Continuing Story of Counterpoint, Parts 5–8	LP, CD, DL
Rune 022	1990	PFS	279	CD	PFS was an offshoot band from Cartoon
Rune 023	1990	Peter Frohmader	Macrocosm	CD
Rune 024	1990	U Totem	U Totem	CD
Rune 025	1990	Forever Einstein	Artificial Horizon	CD
Rune 026	1991	Doctor Nerve	Beta 14 OK	CD
Rune 027	16 Jan 1992	Curlew	Bee	CD, DL
Rune 028	01 Jan 1991	David Borden/Mother Mallard	The Continuing Story of Counterpoint, Parts 1–4, 8	CD, DL
Rune 029	1991	Univers Zero	Heresie	CD
Rune 030	1991	Richard Pinhas	Chronolyse	CD
Rune 031	1991	Richard Pinhas	East West	CD
Rune 032	1991	Miriodor	3e Avertissement/3rd Warning	CD
Rune 033	1991	Daniel Denis	Sirius and the Ghosts	CD
Rune 034	1991	Phil Miller	Digging In	CD
Rune 035	01 Jan 1992	Birdsongs of the Mesozoic	Pyroclastics	CD, DL
Rune 036	1992	Richard Pinhas	L'Ethique	CD
Rune 037	1992	Heldon	Heldon II / Allez Teia	CD
Rune 038	22 Jan 1992	Doctor Nerve	Armed Observation / Out To Bomb Fresh Kings	CD, DL
Rune 039	1992	Univers Zero	Ceux du dehors	CD
Rune 040	1992	Richard Pinhas	DWW	CD
Rune 041	1992	Forever Einstein	Opportunity Crosses The Bridge	CD
Rune 042	1992	Mujician	The Journey	CD
Rune 043	1992	Heldon	Interface	CD
Rune 044	1992	Richard Pinhas	Iceland	CD
Rune 045	1992	Henry Kaiser	Lemon Fish Tweezer	CD
Rune 046	01 Jan 1993	Chainsaw Jazz	Disconcerto	CD, DL
Rune 047	1992	Curlew	The Hardwood	VHS
Rune 048	1993	Kombinat M	Hybrid Beat	CD
Rune 049	1993	Daniel Denis	Les eaux troubles	CD
Rune 050	1993	Curlew with Amy Denio	A Beautiful Western Saddle	CD
Rune 051	1993	Heldon	Electronic Guerilla	CD
Rune 052	1993	Heldon	It's Always Rock and Roll	CD
Rune 053	1993	Heldon	Stand By	CD
Rune 054	1993	Philharmonie	Les Elephants Carillionneurs	CD
Rune 055	29 Mar 1995	Birdsongs of the Mesozoic	The Fossil Record 1980-1987	CD, DL
Rune 056	1994	Virgil Moorefield	Distractions on the Way to the King's Party	CD
Rune 057	01 Jan 1994	George Cartwright	Dot	CD, DL
Rune 058	29 Mar 1995	David Borden	Places, Times & People	CD, DL
Rune 059	1994	Peter Frohmader	Cycle of Eternity	CD
Rune 060	1994	Heldon	Heldon IV: Agneta Nilsson	CD
Rune 061	1994	Richard Pinhas	Rhizosphere / Live Paris 1982	CD
Rune 062	1994	Mujician	Poem About the Hero	CD
Rune 063	1994	Piero Milesi	Modi	CD
Rune 064	1994	Philharmonie	Nord	CD
Rune 065	1994	Heldon	Un Reve Sans Consequence Speciale	CD
Rune 066	1994	U Totem	Strange Attractors	CD
Rune 067	1995	Hugh Hopper Band	Carousel	CD
Rune 068	1995	Forrest Fang	Folklore	CD
Rune 069	01 Mar 1995	Birdsongs of the Mesozoic	Dancing on A'a	CD, DL
Rune 070	5 May 1995	Doctor Nerve	Skin	CD, DL
Rune 071	5 May 1995	Blast	Wire Stitched Ears	CD, DL
Rune 072	1995	The Siamese Stepbrothers	The Siamese Stepbrothers	CD
Rune 073	1995	Happy Family	Happy Family	CD
Rune 074	1995	Volapük	Le Feu du Tigre	CD
Rune 075	1995	various artists	Unsettled Scores (disc 1)	CD	Cuneiform artists cover other Cuneiform artists
Rune 076	1995	various artists	Unsettled Scores (disc 2)	CD
Rune 077	1995	Hugh Hopper/Alan Gowen	Two Rainbows Daily	CD
Rune 078	1996	Miriodor	Jongleries Elastiques	CD
Rune 079	1996	C.W. Vrtacek	Silent Heaven	CD
Rune 080	13 Feb 1996	Curlew	Paradise	CD, DL
Rune 081	1996	Rattlemouth	Walking a Full Moon Dog	CD
Rune 082	1996	Mujician	Birdman	CD
Rune 083	01 Jun 1995	Elton Dean Quintet	Silent Knowledge	CD, DL
Rune 084	1996	Philharmonie	Rage	CD
Rune 085	1996	5uu's	Point of Views	CD
Rune 086	23 Oct 1996	Raoul Björkenheim & Krakatau	Ritual	CD, DL
Rune 087	1996	Present	Live!	CD
Rune 088	1996	Doctor Nerve	Every Screaming Ear	CD
Rune 089	1996	Gary Windo	His Master's Bones	CD
Rune 090	1996	Soft Machine	Spaced	CD
Rune 091	21 Jan 1997	Boud Deun	Astronomy Made Easy	CD, DL
Rune 092	16 Sep 1997	Elton Dean, Paul Dunmall, Tony Levin, Paul Rogers, Roswell Rudd, Keith Tippett	Bladik	CD, DL
Rune 093	1997	Happy Family	Toscco	CD
Rune 094	1997	Volapük	Slang!	CD
Rune 095	16 Sep 1997	Blast	Stringy Rugs	CD, DL
Rune 096	16 Sep 1997	Boom	One Hour Talisman	CD, DL
Rune 097	1997	Otolithen	S.O.D.	CD
Rune 098	1997	Forrest Fang	The Blind Messenger	CD
Rune 099	16 Sep 1997	Djam Karet	The Devouring	CD, DL
Rune 100	1998	Soft Machine	Virtually	CD
Rune 101	1998	Rattlemouth	Fist Full of Iffy	CD
Rune 102	1998	Mujician	Colours Fulfilled	CD
Rune 103	08 Sep 1998	Elton Dean	Just Us	CD, DL
Rune 104	1998	Hugh Hopper	1984	CD
Rune 105	27 Jan 1998	Curlew	Fabulous Drop	CD, DL
Rune 106	1998	Forever Einstein	One Thing After Another	CD
Rune 107	1998	Present	Certitudes	CD
Rune 108	1998	Miriodor	Rencontres	CD
Rune 109	1999	Mother Mallard's Portable Masterpiece Company	1970-1973	CD
Rune 110	1999	Hughscore	Delta Flora	CD
Rune 111	01 Sep 1998	Boud Deun	The Stolen Bicycle	CD, DL
Rune 112	18 Jan 1999	Paul Dunmall Octet	Bebop Starburst	CD, DL
Rune 113	1998	Thinking Plague	In Extremis	CD
Rune 114	10 Sep 1998	Guigou Chenevier	Les Rumeurs de la Ville	CD, DL
Rune 115	22 Sep 1999	Delivery	Fools Meeting	CD, DL	originally released 1970
Rune 116	1999	Motor Totemist Guild	City of Mirrors	CD
Rune 117	1999	Fred Frith/Henry Kaiser	Friends & Enemies (disc 1)	CD
Rune 118	1999	Fred Frith/Henry Kaiser	Friends & Enemies (disc 2)	CD
Rune 119	22 Sep 1999	Djam Karet	Live at Orion	CD, DL
Rune 120	1999	Univers Zero	The Hard Quest	CD
Rune 121	1999	Von Zamla	1983	CD
Rune 122	1999	The Hosemobile	What Can & Can't Go On	CD
Rune 123	1999	Peter Frohmader/Richard Pinhas	Fossil Culture	CD
Rune 124	1998	Philharmonie	The Last Word Le Dernier Mot	CD
Rune 125	22 Sep 1999	Blast	A Sophisticated Face	CD, DL
Rune 126	16 May 2000	Doctor Nerve with the Sirius String Quartet	Ereia	CD, DL
Rune 127	18 Jan 2000	George Cartwright/Amy Denio/Paul Haines	The Memphis Years: Terminal Moraine	CD, DL
Rune 128	17 Jan 2000	Djam Karet	Burning the Hard City	CD, DL	originally released 1991
Rune 129	17 Jan 2000	Djam Karet	Suspension & Displacement	CD, DL	originally released 1991
Rune 130	2000	Soft Machine	Noisette	CD
Rune 131	2000	Schizotrope	The Life & Death of Marie Zorn	CD
Rune 132	2000	Rich Woodson's Ellipsis	Control & Resistance	CD
Rune 133	2000	Piero Milesi	Within Himself	CD
Rune 134	2000	Volapük	Polyglot	CD
Rune 135	2000	Dave Kerman with 5uu's	Regarding Purgatories	CD
Rune 136	2000	Forever Einstein	Down With Gravity	CD
Rune 137	19 Sep 2000	Birdsongs of the Mesozoic	Petrophonics	CD, DL
Rune 138	19 Sep 2000	The Danubians	The Danubians	CD, DL
Rune 139	16 May 2000	Djam Karet	Reflections from the Firepool	CD, DL	originally released 1989
Rune 140	2000	Gilgamesh	Arriving Twice	CD
Rune 141	2000	Thinking Plague	Early Plague Years	CD
Rune 142	22 May 2001	Paul Dunmall Octet	The Great Divide	CD, DL
Rune 143	15 Jan 2001	Elton Dean	Moorsong	CD, DL
Rune 144	15 Jan 2001	Robert Creeley, Chris Massey, Steve Swallow, David CasT, David Torn	Have We Told You All You'd Thought To Know?	CD, DL
Rune 145	2001	National Health	Playtime	CD
Rune 146	2001	Hamster Theatre	Carnival Detournement	CD
Rune 147	2001	Mother Mallard's Portable Masterpiece Company	Like A Duck To Water	CD
Rune 148	2001	Miriodor	Mekano	CD
Rune 149	22 May 2001	Djam Karet	New Dark Age	CD, DL
Rune 150	2001	Matching Mole	Smoke Signals	CD
Rune 151	2001	The Stick Men	Insatiable	CD
Rune 152	03 Aug 2001	Chris McGregor's Brotherhood of Breath	Travelling Somewhere	CD, DL
Rune 153	2001	Picchio dal Pozzo	Camere Zimmer Rooms	CD
Rune 154	2001	NeBeLNeST	NoVa eXPReSS	CD
Rune 155	2001	Univers Zero	Crawling Wind	CD
Rune 156	18 Sep 2001	Raoul Björkenheim	Apocalypso	CD, DL
Rune 157	29 Jan 2002	Curlew	Meet The Curlews!	CD, DL
Rune 158	2002	Dave Kerman with 5uu's	Abandonship	CD
Rune 159	7 May 2002	Deus ex Machina	Cinque	CD, DL
Rune 160	2002	Arkham	Arkham	CD
Rune 161	2002	The Muffins	Bandwidth	CD
Rune 162	2002	Mujician	Spacetime	CD
Rune 163	2002	various artists	156 Strings	CD
Rune 164	2002	Sotos	Platypus	CD
Rune 165	2002	Univers Zero	Rhythmix	CD
Rune 166	2002	Richard Pinhas	Event and Repetitions	CD
Rune 167	17 Sep 2002	Curlew	North America	CD, DL
Rune 168	2003	Krakatoa	We Are the Rowboats	CD
Rune 169	6 May 2003	Djam Karet	A Night for Baku	CD, DL
Rune 170	2002	Soft Machine	Backwards	CD
Rune 171	2002	Proto-Kaw	Early Recordings from Kansas 1971-1973	CD
Rune 172	2002	Matching Mole	March	CD
Rune 173	2003	Nucleus	Live in Bremen (disc 1)	CD
Rune 174	2003	Nucleus	Live in Bremen (disc 2)	CD
Rune 175	2003	Robert Wyatt	Solar Flares Burn For You	CD
Rune 176	6 May 2003	Bone	Uses Wrist Grab	CD, DL	Hugh Hopper, Nick Didkovsky & John Roulat
Rune 177	16 Sep 2003	Curlew	Mercury	CD, DL
Rune 178	2003	Larval	Obedience	CD
Rune 179	16 Sep 2003	Birdsongs of the Mesozoic	The Iridium Controversy	CD, DL
Rune 180	2003	Thinking Plague	A History of Madness	CD
Rune 181	2003	In Cahoots	All That	CD
Rune 182	13 Jan 2004	Chris McGregor's Brotherhood of Breath	Bremen to Bridgewater (disc 1)	CD, DL
Rune 183	13 Jan 2004	Chris McGregor's Brotherhood of Breath	Bremen to Bridgewater (disc 2)	CD, DL
Rune 184	2004	Guapo	Five Suns	CD
Rune 185	13 Jan 2004	Ahvak	Ahvak	CD, DL
Rune 186	2004	Richard Pinhas	Tranzition	CD
Rune 187	13 Jan 2004	The Claudia Quintet	I, Claudia	CD, DL
Rune 188	2004	University of Errors	Jet Propelled Photographs	CD
Rune 189	2004	Gary Windo	Anglo American	CD
Rune 190	2004	Univers Zero	Implosion	CD
Rune 191	2004	Henry Kaiser & Wadada Leo Smith: Yo Miles!	Sky Garden (disc 1)	CD
Rune 192	2004	Henry Kaiser & Wadada Leo Smith: Yo Miles!	Sky Garden (disc 2)	CD
Rune 193	2004	Pip Pyle's Bash	Belle Illusion	CD
Rune 194	2004	Far Corner	Far Corner	CD
Rune 195	2004	Soft Machine	Live In Paris May 2nd 1972 (disc 1)	CD
Rune 196	2004	Soft Machine	Live In Paris May 2nd 1972 (disc 2)	CD
Rune 197	2004	Yang	A Complex Nature	CD
Rune 198	2004	Richard Leo Johnson Trio	Poetry of Appliance	CD
Rune 199	21 Sep 2004	The Muffins	Double Negative	CD, DL
Rune 200	2005	John Surman	Way Back When	CD
Rune 201	2005	Henry Kaiser & Wadada Leo Smith: Yo Miles!	Upriver (disc 1)	CD
Rune 202	2005	Henry Kaiser & Wadada Leo Smith: Yo Miles!	Upriver (disc 2)	CD
Rune 203	21 Sep 2004	Paul Dunmall Moksha Big Band	I Wish You Peace	CD, DL
Rune 204	2005	Alec K. Redfearn and The Eyesores	The Quiet Room	CD
Rune 205	2005	Fast 'N' Bulbous	Pork Chop Blue Around The Rind	CD
Rune 206	2005	Forever Einstein	Racket Science	CD
Rune 207	2005	Present	A Great Inhumane Adventure	CD
Rune 208	2005	Miriodor	Parade (disc 1)	CD
Rune 209	2005	Miriodor	Live at NEARFest (disc 2)	CD
Rune 210	2005	Machine and the Synergetic Nuts	Leap Second Neutral	CD
Rune 211	2005	Radio Massacre International	Emissaries (disc 1)	CD
Rune 212	2005	Radio Massacre International	Emissaries (disc 2)	CD
Rune 213	10 May 2005	Graham Collier	Workpoints (disc 1)	CD, DL
Rune 214	10 May 2005	Graham Collier	Workpoints (disc 2)	CD, DL
Rune 215	2005	Mats/Morgan Band	Thanks For Flying With Us	CD
Rune 216	2005	NDIO	Airback	CD	Hugh Hopper guests
Rune 217	11 Oct 2005	The Claudia Quintet	Semi-Formal	CD, DL
Rune 218	2005	Forgas Band Phenomena	Soleil 12	CD
Rune 219	20 Sep 2005	Djam Karet	Recollection Harvest	CD, DL
Rune 220	2006	Univers Zero	Live	CD
Rune 221	31 Jan 2006	Ahleuchatistas	What You Will	CD, DL
Rune 222	2006	Richard Leo Johnson	The Legend of Vernon McAlister	CD
Rune 223	2006	Ray Russell	Goodbye Svengali	CD
Rune 224	2006	Zaar	Zaar	CD
Rune 225	2006	The Ed Palermo Big Band	Take Your Clothes Off When You Dance	CD	feat. music of Frank Zappa
Rune 226	2006	Hamster Theatre	The Public Execution of Mister Personality (disc 1)	CD
Rune 227	2006	Hamster Theatre	Quasi Day Room: Live at the Moore Theatre (disc 2)	CD	live at Progman Cometh 2002
Rune 228	2006	Richard Pinhas	Metatron (disc 1)	CD
Rune 229	2006	Richard Pinhas	Metatron (disc 2)	CD
Rune 230	2006	Soft Machine	Grides (disc 1)	CD	recorded 25 October 1970
Rune 231	2006	Soft Machine	Grides (disc 2)	DVD	filmed 23 March 1971
Rune 232	2006	Mujician	There's No Going Back Now	CD
Rune 233	2006	Harry Miller's Isipingo	Which Way Now	CD
Rune 234	2006	NeBeLNeST	ZePTO	CD
Rune 235	2006	Soft Machine	Middle Earth Masters	CD
Rune 236	2006	The Microscopic Septet	Seven Men in Neckties (disc 1)	CD
Rune 237	2006	The Microscopic Septet	Seven Men in Neckties (disc 2)	CD
Rune 238	2006	The Microscopic Septet	Surreal Swing (disc 1)	CD
Rune 239	2006	The Microscopic Septet	Surreal Swing (disc 2)	CD
Rune 240	2007	Hugh Hopper	Hopper Tunity Box	CD, DL
Rune 241	19 Sep 2006	Birdsongs of the Mesozoic with Oral Moses	Extreme Spirituals	CD, DL
Rune 242	2007	The Mahavishnu Project	Return To The Emerald Beyond (disc 1)	CD
Rune 243	2007	The Mahavishnu Project	Return To The Emerald Beyond (disc 2)	CD
Rune 244	2007	Alec K. Redfearn and The Eyesores	The Blind Spot	CD
Rune 245	2007	Upsilon Acrux	Galapagos Momentum	CD
Rune 246	2006	Far Corner	Endangered	CD
Rune 247	05 Jun 2007	The Claudia Quintet	For	CD, DL
Rune 248	2007	Larval/Bill Brovold	Surviving Death/Alive Why? (disc 1)	CD
Rune 249	2007	Larval/Bill Brovold	Surviving Death/Alive Why? (disc 2)	CD
Rune 250	2007	Steve Lacy Roswell Rudd Quartet	Early and Late (disc 1)	CD
Rune 251	2007	Steve Lacy Roswell Rudd Quartet	Early and Late (disc 2)	CD
Rune 252	16 Jan 2007	Graham Collier	Hoarded Dreams	CD, DL
Rune 253	2007	Steve Miller/Lol Coxhill	Coxhill/Miller Miller/Coxhill (disc 1)	CD
Rune 254	2007	Steve Miller/Lol Coxhill	The Story So Far..Oh Really? (disc 2)	CD
Rune 255	2007	Vinny Golia, Aurora Josephson, Henry Kaiser, Mike Keneally, Joe Morris, Damon Smith, Weasel Walter	Healing Force: The Songs of Albert Ayler	CD
Rune 256	2007	Radio Massacre International	Rain Falls in Grey	CD
Rune 257	2007	Time of Orchids	Namesake Caution	CD
Rune 258	2007	Richard Leo Johnson & Gregg Bendian	Who Knew Charlie Shoe?	CD
Rune 259	30 Sep 2008	Deus ex Machina	Imparis (disc 1)	CD, DL
Rune 260	30 Sep 2008	Deus ex Machina	Imparis (disc 2)	CD, DL
Rune 261	18 Sep 2007	Ahleuchatistas	Even In the Midst...	CD, DL
Rune 262	29 Jan 2008	Chris McGregor's Brotherhood of Breath	Eclipse At Dawn	CD, DL
Rune 263	13 May 2008	Cosmologic	Eyes In The Back of My Head	CD, DL
Rune 264	29 Jan 2008	Beat Circus	Dreamland	CD, DL
Rune 265	2008	Mats/Morgan Band	Heat Beats Live + Tourbook 1991-2007 (disc 1)	CD
Rune 266	2008	Mats/Morgan Band	Heat Beats Live + Tourbook 1991-2007 (disc 2)	CD
Rune 267	2008	Mats/Morgan Band	Trends and Other Diseases	CD
Rune 268	2008	Planeta Imaginario	Biomasa	CD
Rune 269	2008	Revolutionary Snake Ensemble	Forked Tongue	CD
Rune 270	2008	Wadada Leo Smith's Golden Quartet	Tabligh	CD
Rune 271	2008	Lars Hollmer	Viandra	CD
Rune 272	2008	The Microscopic Septet	Lobster Leaps In	CD
Rune 273	2008	Isotope	Golden Section	CD
Rune 274	30 Sep 2008	Birdsongs of the Mesozoic	Dawn of the Cycads (disc 1)	CD, DL
Rune 275	30 Sep 2008	Birdsongs of the Mesozoic	Dawn of the Cycads (disc 2)	CD, DL
Rune 276	20 Jan 2009	Cheer-Accident	Fears Draws Misfortune	CD, DL
Rune 277	2009	Fast 'N' Bulbous	Waxed Oop	CD
Rune 278	2009	Richard Pinhas & Merzbow	Keio Line (disc 1)	CD
Rune 279	2009	Richard Pinhas & Merzbow	Keio Line (disc 2)	CD
Rune 280	2009	Univers Zero	Relaps (Archives 1984-1986)	CD
Rune 281	2009	Gutbucket	A Modest Proposal	CD
Rune 282	2009	Forgas Band Phenomena	L'axe du fou/Axis of Madness	CD
Rune 283	2009	Led Bib	Sensible Shoes	CD
Rune 284	2009	Upsilon Acrux	Radian Futura	CD
Rune 285	2009	The Ed Palermo Big Band	Eddy Loves Frank	CD
Rune 286	2009	Positive Catastrophe	Garabatos Volume One	CD
Rune 287	2009	Zevious	After The Air Raid	CD
Rune 288	2009	Miriodor	Avanti	CD
Rune 289	06 Oct 2009	Ergo	Multitude, Solitude	CD, DL
Rune 290	2009	Wadada Leo Smith	Spiritual Dimensions (disc 1)	CD
Rune 291	2009	Wadada Leo Smith	Spiritual Dimensions (disc 2)	CD
Rune 292	29 Sep 2009	Jason Adasiewicz's Rolldown	Varmint	CD, LP, DL	ex-Living By Lanterns
Rune 293	02 Feb 2010	Brown vs. Brown	Odds and Unevens	CD, DL
Rune 294	01 Mar 2009	Beat Circus	Boy From Black Mountain	CD, DL
Rune 295	2010	Univers Zero	Clivages	CD
Rune 296	2010	Ideal Bread	Transmit Vol.2 The Music of Steve Lacy	CD
Rune 297	26 Jan 2010	Algernon	Ghost Surveillance	CD, DL
Rune 298	2010	Radio Massacre International	Time & Motion (disc 1)	CD
Rune 299	2010	Radio Massacre International	Time & Motion (disc 2)	CD
Rune 300	2010	New York Art Quartet	Old Stuff	CD
Rune 301	2010	Mats/Morgan Band	The Music or the Money? (disc 1)	CD
Rune 302	2010	Mats/Morgan Band	The Music or the Money? (disc 2)	CD
Rune 303	18 May 2010	Curlew	A Beautiful Western Saddle	CD + DVD, DL
Rune 304	2010	Curlew	The Hardwood	CD
Rune 305	2010	Soft Machine	NDR Jazz Workshop (disc 1)	CD	recorded May 17, 1973
Rune 306	2010	Soft Machine	NDR Jazz Workshop (disc 2)	DVD
Rune 307	18 May 2010	The Claudia Quintet with Gary Versace	Royal Toast	CD, DL
Rune 308	2010	Richard Pinhas	Metal/Crystal (disc 1)	CD
Rune 309	2010	Richard Pinhas	Metal/Crystal (disc 2)	CD
Rune 310	2010	The Microscopic Septet	Friday the 13th: The Micros Play Monk	CD
Rune 311	2010	Jason Robinson	The Two Faces of Janus	CD
Rune 312	2010	Uz Jsme Doma	Jeskyne (Caves)	CD
Rune 313	2010	Univers Zero	Heresie	CD
Rune 314	2011	Led Bib	Bring Your Own	CD
Rune 315	2011	John Surman	Flashpoint: NDR Workshop (disc 1)	CD
Rune 316	2011	John Surman	Flashpoint: NDR Workshop (disc 2)	DVD
Rune 317	25 Jan 2011	Carlos DeRosa's Cross-fade	Brain Dance	CD, DL
Rune 318	2011	Planeta Imaginario	Optical Delusions	CD
Rune 319	2011	Gösta Berlings Saga	Glue Works	CD
Rune 320	2011	Thinking Plague	Decline and Fall	CD
Rune 321	2011	Gutbucket	Flock	CD
Rune 322	2011	Michael Gibbs & The NDR Bigband	Back in the Days	CD
Rune 323	27 Sep 2011	Dead Cat Bounce	Chance Episodes	CD. DL
Rune 324	31 May 2011	Afuche	Highly Publicized Digital Boxing Match	CD, DL
Rune 325	2011	São Paulo Underground	Tres Cabecas Loucuras	CD
Rune 326	31 May 2011	Cheer-Accident	No Ifs Ands or Dogs	CD, DL
Rune 327	11 Oct 2011	The Claudia Quintet	What Is the Beautiful?	CD, DL
Rune 328	2011	Richard Pinhas & Merzbow	Rhizome	CD
Rune 329	2011	Richard Pinhas & Merzbow	Paris 2008	CD
Rune 330	2011	Wadada Leo Smith's Organic	Heart's Reflections (disc 1)	CD
Rune 331	2011	Wadada Leo Smith's Organic	Heart's Reflections (disc 2)	CD
Rune 332	2011	Forgas Band Phenomena	Acte V (disc 1)	CD
Rune 333	2011	Forgas Band Phenomena	Acte V (disc 2)	CD
Rune 334	2011	Joel Harrison, Lorenzo Feliciati, Cuong Vu, Roy Powell, Dan Weiss	Holy Abyss	CD
Rune 335	2011	Bill Laswell/Raoul Björkenheim/Morgan Ågren	Blixt	CD
Rune 336	2011	Positive Catastrophe	Dibrujo, Dibrujo, Dibrujo	CD
Rune 337	2011	Mats/Morgan Band	Live	CD
Rune 338	2012	Janel & Anthony	Where Is Home	CD
Rune 339	14 Feb 2012	Ergo	If Not Inertia	CD, DL
Rune 340	2012	Lars Hollmer	With Floury Hand (disc 1)	CD
Rune 341	2012	Lars Hollmer	With Floury Hand (disc 2)	CD
Rune 342	2012	Pixel	Reminder	CD
Rune 343	2012	Steve Moore	Light Echoes	CD
Rune 344	2012	Alec K. Redfearn and The Eyesores	Sister Death	CD
Rune 345	2012	Living By Lanterns	New Myth/Old Science	CD
Rune 346	2012	Jason Robinson, JD Parran, Marty Ehrlich, Marcus Rojas, Bill Lowe, Liberty Ellman, Drew Gress, George Schuller, Ches Smith	Symmetry	CD
Rune 347	25 Sep 2012	Ahleuchatistas	Heads Full of Poison	CD, DL
Rune 348	2012	Christian Marclay, Toshio Kajiwara, DJ Olive	21 September 2002 Hirshhorn Museum	CD
Rune 349	2013	Rob Mazurek Octet	Skull Sessions	CD
Rune 350	2013	Wadada Leo Smith	Ten Freedom Summers (disc 1)	CD
Rune 351	2013	Wadada Leo Smith	Ten Freedom Summers (disc 2)	CD
Rune 352	2013	Wadada Leo Smith	Ten Freedom Summers (disc 3)	CD
Rune 353	2013	Wadada Leo Smith	Ten Freedom Summers (disc 4)	CD
Rune 354	2013	Guapo	History of the Visitation (disc 1)	CD
Rune 355	2013	Guapo	History of the Visitation (disc 2)	CD
Rune 356	2013	Curtis Hasselbring	Number Stations	CD, DL
Rune 357	2013	Dylan Rand, Sand	Sky Bleached	CD, DL
Rune 358	2013	Kandinsky Effect	Synesthesia	CD, DL
Rune 359	04 Jun 2013	São Paulo Underground	Beija Flors Velho e Sujo	LP, CD, DL
Rune 360	2013	S.O.S.	Looking For The Next One (disc 1)	CD, DL
Rune 361	2013	S.O.S.	Looking For The Next One (disc 2)	CD, DL
Rune 362	2013	Mats/Morgan Band	Radio Da Da/The Teenage Tapes (disc 1)	CD, DL
Rune 363	2013	Mats/Morgan Band	Radio Da Da/The Teenage Tapes (disc 2)	CD, DL
Rune 364	04 Jun 2013	Blue Cranes	Swim	CD, LP, DL
Rune 365	21 Jan 2014	Mary Halvorson, Michael Formanek, Tomas Fujiwara	Thumbscrew	CD, DL
Rune 366	2013	Richard Pinhas	Desolation Row	CD, DL
Rune 367	2013	Zevious	Passing Through the Wall	CD, DL
Rune 368	2013	Miriodor	Cobra Fakir	LP, CD, DL
Rune 369	08 Oct 2013	Chrome Hoof	Chrome Black Gold	LP, CD, DL
Rune 370	27 May 2014	The Microscopic Septet	Manhattan Moonrise	CD, DL
Rune 371	2013	Tatvamasi	Parts of the Entirety	CD, DL
Rune 372	08 Oct 2013	Pixel	We Are All Small Pixels	CD, DL
Rune 373	21 Jan 2014	Raoul Björkenheim/eCsTaSy	eCsTaSy	CD, DL
Rune 374	21 Jan 2014	Sonar	Static Motion	CD, DL
Rune 375	08 Oct 2013	Robert Wyatt	68	LP, CD, DL
Rune 376	14 Oct 2014	The Cellar and Point	Ambit	CD, DL
Rune 377	24 Sep 2013	The Claudia Quintet	September	CD, DL
Rune 378	13 May 2014	Led Bib	The People in Your Neighborhood	CD, DL
Rune 379	13 May 2014	Led Bib	The Good Egg	LP, CD, DL
Rune 380	04 Feb 2014	The Ed Palermo Big Band	Oh No! Not Jazz!! (disc 1)	CD, DL
Rune 381	04 Feb 2014	The Ed Palermo Big Band	Oh No! Not Jazz!! (disc 2)	CD, DL
Rune 382	04 Feb 2014	Present	Triskaidekaphobie	CD, DL
Rune 383	04 Feb 2014	Present	Le Poison Qui Rend Fou (disc 1)	CD, DL
Rune 384	04 Feb 2014	Present	Le Poison Qui Rend Fou (disc 2)	CD, DL
Rune 385	27 May 2014	Mats/Morgan Band	[Schack Tati]	CD, DL
Rune 386	13 May 2014	Ideal Bread	Beating the Teens (disc 1)	CD, DL
Rune 387	13 May 2014	Ideal Bread	Beating the Teens (disc 2)	CD, DL
Rune 388	27 May 2014	Richard Pinhas & Oren Ambarchi	Tikkun (disc 1)	CD, DL
Rune 389	27 May 2014	Richard Pinhas & Oren Ambarchi	Tikkun (disc 2)	DVD
Rune 390	13 May 2014	Joel Harrison	Mother Stump	CD, DL
Rune 391	27 May 2014	Richard Pinhas & Yoshida Tatsuya	Welcome in the Void	CD, DL
Rune 392		Mike Osborne	'Dawn'	CD, DL
Rune 393		Happy Family	Minimal Gods	CD
Rune 394		Jonathan Badger	Verse	CD, LP
Rune 395		Soft Machine	Switzerland 1974 (disc 1)	CD
Rune 396		Soft Machine	Switzerland 1974 (disc 2)	DVD
Rune 397		Dylan Ryan/Sand	Circa	CD
Rune 398		Anthony Pirog/Michael Formanek/Ches Smith	Palo Colorado Dream	CD
Rune 399		Rob Mazurek/Black Cube SP	Return The Tides: Ascension Suite & Holy Ghost	CD, LP	featuring members of São Paulo Underground
Rune 400		Michael Gibbs/NDR Bigband	Play A Bill Frisell Setlist	CD
Rune 401		Michael Gibbs/NDR Bigband	In My View	CD
Rune 402		Schnellertollermeier	X	CD
Rune 403		Henry Kaiser/Ray Russell	The Celestial Squid	CD
Rune 404		Guapo	Obscure Knowledge	CD, LP
Rune 405		Gary Lucas	Music from the Max Fleischer Cartoons	CD
Rune 406		Adam Rudolph/GO: Organic Guitar Orchestra	Turning Toward The Light	CD
Rune 407		Thinking Plague	In This Life	CD	25th anniversary remaster
Rune 408		The Kandinsky Effect	Sonambulist	CD
Rune 409		Rob Mazurek, Exploding Star Orchestra	Galactic Parables, Volume 1 (disc 1)	CD
Rune 410		Rob Mazurek, Exploding Star Orchestra	Galactic Parables, Volume 1 (disc 2)	CD
Rune 411		Le Rex	Wild Man
Rune 412		Pixel	Golden Years	CD, LP
Rune 413		Raoul Björkenheim/Ecstasy	Out Of The Blue	CD
Rune 414		Sonar	Black Light	CD, LP
Rune 415		Thumbscrew: Mary Halvorson/Michael Formanek/Tomas Fujiwara	Convalaria	CD
Rune 416		Empirical	Connection	CD
Rune 417	20 May, 2016	Bent Knee	Say So	CD, DL
Rune 418		Naima	Bye	CD, LP
Rune 419		Ergo	As Subtle As Tomorrow	CD
Rune 420		The Ed Palermo Big Band	One Child Left Behind	CD
Rune 421		Thinking Plague	Hoping Against Hope	CD
Rune 422		I.P.A.	I Just Did Say Something	CD
Rune 423		São Paulo Underground	Cantos Invisiveis	CD
Rune 424		Rez Abbasi/Junction	Behind The Vibration	CD
Rune 425		Microscopic Septet	Been Up So Long It Looks Like Down To Me: The Micros Play The Blues	CD
Rune 426		Richard Pinhas/Barry Cleveland/Michael Manring/Celso Alberti	Mu	CD
Rune 427		The Claudia Quintet	Super Petite	CD
Rune 428		Chicago/London Underground	A Night Walking Through Mirrors	CD	featuring Rob Mazurek
Rune 429		Deus Ex Machina	Devoto	CD
Rune 430		Wadada Leo Smith	America's National Parks (disc 1)	CD
Rune 431		Wadada Leo Smith	America's National Parks (disc 2)	CD
Rune 432		Richard Pinhas/Tatsuya Yoshida/Masami Akita (Merzbow)	Process and Reality	CD
Rune 433		The Great Harry Hillman	Tilt	CD
Rune 434		Bubblemath	Edit Peptide	CD
Rune 435		The Ed Palermo Big Band	The Great Un-American Songbook Volumes I & II (disc 1)	CD
Rune 436		The Ed Palermo Big Band	The Great Un-American Songbook Volumes I & II (disc 2)	CD
Rune 437
Rune 438		Miriodor	Signal 9	CD
Rune 439
Rune 440
Rune 441
Rune 442
Rune 443
Rune 444
Rune 445
Rune 446		Cheer Accident	Putting Off Death	CD, LP
Rune 447
Rune 448
Rune 449
Rune 450
Rune 451
Rune 452
Rune 453
Rune 454
Rune 455
Rune 456

Archival releases

Note: The first few reissues came out as "Wayside Music Archive Series" releases

No.	Year	Artist(s)	Title	Format	Notes
55001/WMAS1	1990	Happy The Man	3rd: Better Late...	CD	recorded 1979
55001/WMAS2	01 Jan 1990	Doctor Nerve	Did Sprinting Die?	CD, DL	live 6/14/1989
55003/WMAS3	1990	Happy The Man	Beginnings	CD	recorded 1974 & 1975
55004/WMAS4	1990	The Muffins	Manna/Mirage	CD	originally released 1978
55005	01 Jan 1994	Cartoon	Sortie	CD, DL	reissues Cartoon (1981) and Music from Left Field (1983)
55006/WMAS6	1991	Hugh Hopper Band	Meccano Pelorus	CD	recorded 1987 & 1989
55007	1993	The Muffins	Chronometers	CD	recorded 1975 & 76
55008	1993	Grits	As The World Grits	CD	recorded 1970-1975
55009	1995	Steve Tibbetts	Steve Tibbetts	CD	originally released 1977
55010	1994	The Muffins	Open City	CD	originally released 1985
55011	1993	various artists	Transforms: The Nerve Events Project	CD	25 artists compose using samples from Doctor Nerve's Beta 14 OK release
55012	1997	Grits	Rare Birds	CD	recorded 1976
55013	1996	The Muffins	<185>	CD	originally released 1981
55014	1997	Happy The Man	Live	CD	recorded July 1, 1978 at The Cellar Door, Washington DC and October 8, 1978 at Louie's Rock City, Bailey's Crossroads, VA
55015	1999	Happy The Man	Death's Crown	CD	recorded in 1974 & 1976
Rune 1313	2008	Univers Zero	Univers Zero (1313)	CD	originally released 1977

Samplers

No.	Year	Artist(s)	Title	Format
9001	2000	various artists	Canterbury & Beyond: Selected Runes	CD
9002	2002	various artists	An Introduction to Cuneiform Records: Selections from All of Our 2002 Releases and More	CD
Promo 1	2003	various artists	Cuneiform Records Promo No.1	CD
Promo 2	2004	various artists	Cuneiform Progressive 2	CD
Promo 3	2005	various artists	Cuneiform Records Sampler 3	CD
Sampler 1	2006	various artists	Wayside Sampler	CD
Sampler 2	2007	various artists	Wayside Sampler #2	CD
Sampler 3	2007	various artists	Wayside Sampler #3	CD
Sampler 4	2008	various artists	Wayside Sampler #4	CD
Sampler 5	2008	various artists	Wayside Sampler #5	CD
Sampler 6	2009	various artists	Wayside Sampler #6	CD

Artists

Artists who have released albums or reissues on the label:

• Rez Abbasi
• Afuche
• Morgan Ågren
• Ahleuchatistas
• Ahvak
• Arkham
• Jonathan Badger
• Beat Circus
• Bent Knee
• Birdsongs Of The Mesozoic
• Raoul Björkenheim
• Blast
• Blixt (Bill Laswell, Raoul Björkenheim, Morgan Ågren)
• Blue Cranes
• Bone
• Boom
• David Borden / Mother Mallard's Portable Masterpiece Company
• Boud Deun
• Chris McGregor's Brotherhood of Breath
• Bubblemath
• Cartoon
• George Cartwright
• The Cellar and Point
• Chainsaw Jazz
• Cheer-Accident
• Guigou Chenevier
• Chrome Hoof
• The Claudia Quintet
• Graham Collier
• Cosmologic
• Robert Creeley
• Curlew
• The Danubians
• Carlo De Rosa's Cross-Fade
• Dead Cat Bounce
• Elton Dean
• Delivery
• Daniel Denis
• Deus ex Machina
• Djam Karet
• Doctor Nerve
• Paul Dunmall Octet
• Empirical
• Ergo
• Exploding Star Orchestra
• Forrest Fang
• Far Corner
• Fast 'N' Bulbous
• Forever Einstein
• Forgas Band Phenomena
• Michael Formanek
• Fred Frith / Henry Kaiser
• Peter Frohmader
• Michael Gibbs
• Gilgamesh
• The Great Harry Hillman
• Grits
• Gösta Berlings Saga
• Guapo
• Gutbucket
• Mary Halvorson
• Hamster Theatre
• Happy Family
• Happy the Man
• Joel Harrison
• Curtis Hasselbring
• Healing Force
• Heldon
• The Great Harry Hillman
• Lars Hollmer
• Hugh Hopper
• The Hosemobile
• Hughscore
• Ideal Bread
• I.P.A.
• Harry Miller 's Isipingo
• Isotope
• Janel and Anthony
• Richard Leo Johnson
• Henry Kaiser
• Dave Kerman / 5uu's
• The Kandinsky Effect
• Kombinat M
• Krakatoa
• Steve Lacy - Roswell Rudd Quartet
• Bill Brovold's Larval
• Bill Laswell
• Le Rex
• Led Bib
• Living By Lanterns (co-led by Jason Adasiewicz and Mike Reed)
• Gary Lucas' Fleischerei, featuring Sarah Stiles
• Machine and the Synergetic Nuts
• The Mahavishnu Project
• Christian Marclay / Toshio Kajiwara / DJ Olive: djTRIO
• Rob Mazurek
• Matching Mole
• Mats/Morgan Band
• The Microscopic Septet
• Piero Milesi
• Phil Miller / In Cahoots
• Steve Miller / Lol Coxhill
• Miriodor
• Steve Moore
• Virgil Moorefield
• Motor Totemist Guild
• The Muffins
• Mujician
• Naima
• National Health
• NDIO
• NeBeLNeST
• Nucleus
• Mike Osborne
• Otolithen
• Ed Palermo Big Band
• PFS
• Philharmonie
• Picchio dal Pozzo
• Richard Pinhas
• Anthony Pirog
• Pixel
• Planeta Imaginario
• Positive Catastrophe
• Present
• Proto-Kaw
• Pip Pyle's Bash!
• Radio Massacre International
• Rattlemouth
• Alec K. Redfearn & The Eyesores
• Revolutionary Snake Ensemble
• Jason Robinson
• Adam Rudolph / Go: Organic Guitar Orchestra
• Ray Russell
• Dylan Ryan / Sand
• São Paulo Underground
• Schnellertollermeier
• Siamese Stepbrothers
• Wadada Leo Smith
• Soft Machine
• SONAR
• S.O.S. (Alan Skidmore, Mike Osborne, John Surman)
• Sotos
• Stick Men
• John Surman
• Tatvamasi
• Thinking Plague
• Thumbscrew: Mary Halvorson, Michael Formanek, Tomas Fujiwara
• Steve Tibbetts
• Time of Orchids
• U Totem
• Univers Zero
• University of Errors
• Upsilon Acrux
• Uz Jsme Doma
• Volapük
• Von Zamla
• C. W. Vrtacek
• Gary Windo
• Rich Woodson's Ellipsis
• Robert Wyatt
• Yang
• Zaar

References

References

discussion

I fail to see how a list of artists is adjudged to be unencyclopedic. What artists the label releases is essential to even a basic understanding of what the label is and does, and is standard practice on virtually every existing label article. Why the exception here? Chubbles (talk) 22:14, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

WP:PROMO, which is policy, says Information about companies and products must be written in an objective and unbiased style, free of puffery. All article topics must be verifiable with independent, third-party sources, so articles about very small "garage" or local companies are typically unacceptable. Wikipedia articles about a company or organization are not an extension of their website or other social media marketing efforts. External links to commercial organizations are acceptable if they identify notable organizations which are the topic of the article. Wikipedia neither endorses organizations nor runs affiliate programs. See also Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies) for guidelines on corporate notability. Those promoting causes or events, or issuing public service announcements, even if noncommercial, should use a forum other than Wikipedia to do so. Contributors must disclose any payments they receive for editing Wikipedia. See also Wikipedia:Conflict of interest.

Please note the bolded part -- Wikipedia articles about a company or organization are not an extension of their website.

What we do here is describe, in an encyclopedic manner. Another part of the WP:NOT policy is that WP is not WP:NOTCATALOG. -- Jytdog (talk) 22:15, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

That is not an explanation. A list of artists is not an extension of the label's website. (We can remove the link if it irks you, and place it where it belongs, in an external links section). It is inherently encyclopedic information about the label. Chubbles (talk) 22:17, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

It is an exact answer. The content above is a catalog - this is stuff for the label's website. Describing the kinds or artists they publish is the kind of thing we do here, not listing all of them or every record they released. Please do read WP:NOT. Jytdog (talk) 22:19, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

Let's pretend I'm familiar with WP:NOT now, since, even if I had never read it before after ten years on the site, I have been pointed to it several times already in this conversation. The full list of albums might conceivably contravene WP:NOTCATALOG, though we do have (near-)full discographical catalogues for some important labels; I will not argue here that Cuneiform is that important. A full list of artists is a succinct, bounded, relevant list which provides direct and neutral information about the label and the cultural milieu in which it is situated. It does not contravene WP:NOTCATALOG point 1 (not loosely associated with the label), points 2 or 3 (not relevant), point 4 (not a schedule of releases, as it includes current and past artists, and is not trivial, like including every record store where the label's records are for sale), point 5 (no sales information included), point 6 (not relevant), or point 7 (the list's context is appropriate since it constitutes the primary activity which makes the label notable - releasing albums by important bands). A description of the kinds of artists is a start and should of course be done, but it is not sufficient to encyclopedically capture the full range of the label's activities. Chubbles (talk) 22:33, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

That is kind of interesting wikilawyery argument ... but the spirit of the thing! This just turns this page in Wikipedia into a host for this page of the Cuneiform website. That is not what WP is for. I understand there are wide swaths of WP that have turned into fancruft where people do what they can instead of what they should do, which is provide enduring encyclopedic knowledge.. not catalog listings. I am thinking of nominating this for deletion in any case. If this label is so trivial that all we do is to copy their website, it doesn't belong here. Jytdog (talk) 23:10, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

On the contrary, I think the list is very much in the spirit of the website. (I was making sure I was understanding your concerns, point by point.) The list allows you to click through to the artist pages, of which we have dozens, and gives a much more robust sense of what musical scenes the label has fostered than a short list of musical genres can do. That is important and enduring work (well, hopefully enduring, assuming the article is not nommed for deletion. Silly me, I returned The ultimate guide to independent record labels and artists : an A-to-Z source of great music by Norman Schreiber, Pharos, 1992, to the library not long ago, before adding its entry on Cuneiform here.) Since we are WP:NOTPAPER, the length of the list is irrelevant; the chief crime here seems to be that the label has managed not to go out of business yet (some 35 years in) and has done us the service of keeping a comprehensive list on its own website, something few other labels ever do (which is why discography is an academic discipline and was a nightmarish task for the amateurs who took it up before the academy did). Chubbles (talk) 23:27, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

I was waiting to see if an AfD would, in fact, materialize; not sure if you are still considering it. I regard it as somewhat bad form to gut an article of its content and then nominate a stub, but so far as I know I am alone in that sensibility, as I have seen it often at AfD. Nevertheless, the value of the removed artist list is still at issue (I will leave the discographical information for some other time and, perhaps, some other person). Chubbles (talk) 23:34, 1 August 2017 (UTC)

Yeah I said I am thinking about it. Since we don't agree about what WP is and is not (this is a pretty fundamental policy difference) we should probably pursue some sort of DR. RfC? Jytdog (talk) 02:28, 2 August 2017 (UTC)

If you take the list of artists - lists of artists signed to a record label, in general - as inherently unencyclopedic, then yes, an RfC is probably a good idea (or a discussion at Wikiproject Music or some such). I'll be on vacation starting tonight for the next week-plus, with rather infrequent sign-in likelihood, so if there is an AfD I may be somewhat slow to participate. Chubbles (talk) 20:49, 2 August 2017 (UTC)

Let's start with the RfC. Shall we ask for comment only on the list of artists, or the catalog as well? Jytdog (talk) 21:15, 2 August 2017 (UTC)

I think you are fundamentally misunderstanding the nature of the Cuneiform catalog here: the point is, this information *IS NOT* available on Cuneiform's website, and I had to collate data from a dozen or more sources to pull together the table. Even the label's founder, Steven Feigenbaum, could not help me create the table. I agree, the "list of artists" (created by somebody else, I might add) is duplicated on the website and I'd be okay with dropping that, if you think the bits are best saved. But the catalog l;isting falls right in line with many many similar Wikipedia catalog listings of small independent labels (viz. ECM, Obscure, etc.) so I don't see why Cuneiform is being singled out for deletion simply because it's not your style of music, perhaps?Rcarlberg (talk)

Incidentally, you threaten to delete the whole listing for notability but this has been discussed before (Articles_for_deletion/Cuneiform_Records) and I thought settled. Must every new editor start fresh with no history?Rcarlberg (talk) 02:32, 3 August 2017 (UTC)

the last AfD was 8 years ago. Things are different now and there is less tolerance for marginally notable articles that are plagued with promotionalism. It is not a threat; it is just that rather than dealing with the timesuck of fans (or companies) who hijack pages and will not even follow DR, the trend has been to delete them. Wikipedia is not a fansite or a proxy for the label. As I said we can do an RfC if that is what it takes but if you will not do that, then an AfD is the way to go. Jytdog (talk) 05:09, 3 August 2017 (UTC)

Is this your personal opinion, or can you point me to something that documents it?Rcarlberg (talk) 11:38, 3 August 2017 (UTC)

The characterization of the label as "marginally notable" is untenable - Cuneiform is one of the more noteworthy avant-garde labels in the business, which generates its own coverage in addition to that of its roster (e.g., Washington City Paper ([1]), Brooklyn Vegan ([2], [3]), Takoma Voice ([4]).) Any article acts as promotion; Disney's article is promotional - it cannot but be promotional, because of Wikipedia's reach and prominence. However, it is also encyclopedic. So, too, with, at minimum, a basic list of artists the label carries; whatever promotional effect this incidentally carries is outweighed by its basic functionality as encyclopedic and relevant information. (The catalogue does this, too - but one fight at a time, as far as I'm concerned.) I don't listen to Cuneiform artists - much too outre for my plebeian tastes - but I recognize the important informational function that pages such as this (or, what this page was until a few days ago) serve to those interested in the music the label carries. Why do you insist on denigrating this as fancruft? Chubbles (talk) 14:31, 3 August 2017 (UTC)

Are we going to have an RfC to resolve the lists or not? Chubbles wants to keep the artist list, Rcarlbarg has argued to keep the list of records and has acknowledged that the compilation exists only here and is his act of WP:OR). Both, or one of them? Jytdog (talk) 15:24, 3 August 2017 (UTC)

Hey, is there any way with Wikipedia articles to see how many views they've had? That might tell you if the Cuneiform Records page is getting used or not.Rcarlberg (talk) 20:39, 3 August 2017 (UTC)

yes: [5] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.15.229.22 (talk) 00:35, 6 August 2017 (UTC)

By the way, classifying my article as "original research" is totally inaccurate. What I did was collate online resources -- which is the bread & butter of Wikipedia. I did not <ref> every time I found information because that would be unreadable and unnecessary, especially for online data which is not likely to be disputable.Rcarlberg (talk) 20:43, 3 August 2017 (UTC)

I didn't say anything about "your" article, I talked about the content you added. And please do read WP:OR. We don't build new things here - we summarize existing things.

I will just go ahead and launch the RfC. Jytdog (talk) 20:47, 3 August 2017 (UTC)

RfC - Catalogs of artists and releases for record label

On the talk page above, you will find tables of a) artists that release through this record label and b) a list of releases.

Should these be in the article? Jytdog (talk) 20:50, 3 August 2017 (UTC)

!votes

• Neither list should be in the article. This page has been hijacked to serve as a proxy for the record label website on the one hand, a personal webproxy for the other in which had editor has built a catalog that apparently only exists here. This is not encyclopedic content and Wikipedia is not a catalog. Relevant policies are WP:OR, WP:PROMO, WP:NOTWEBHOST, and WP:NOTCATALOG. Wikipedia of course can be used this way, but it shouldn't be. Jytdog (talk) 20:53, 3 August 2017 (UTC)
• I vote both stay. You can't have it both ways -- either Wikipedia presents information that isn't reproduced elsewhere, or "We don't build new things here - we summarize existing things." These statements are mutually incompatible.Rcarlberg (talk) 20:57, 3 August 2017 (UTC)
• Remove catalog, prosify artists. I came here from the RfC notice, but I first became aware of the discussion because I watchlist Jytdog's talkpage. It seems to me that the relevant guidance is at WP:LWA, MOS:EMBED, and WP:LSC. I think that the catalog goes way beyond the style guidelines in terms of its sheer length, and because there appears to be no selection criteria beyond simply being issued by the company. Consequently, it looks like a catalog of what they sell, even if it is not actually copied from their sales list, and that goes against the spirit of WP:NOTADVERT. In looking at the page edit history, I see that the version before the catalog was added is this. I think that it is appropriate for the page to include artists who record for the label, although I don't think that we should list every single one. It might make sense to only include those who are notable enough to have bio pages, and it would be better if the information were presented in prose-paragraph form, instead of as a list. Again, I am basing this on WP:LWA, MOS:EMBED, and WP:LSC. --Tryptofish (talk) 01:55, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

The prosifying idea is one I hadn't heard before, and it seems as if it may make the artist list less usable, though it might have the advantage of adding more context about what the artists are like. But for a label like Cuneiform, you're talking about artists that often cut across genre and style lines, which makes putting them into neat boxes for a prose summary ("x-genre artists like A, B, C, y-genre artists like D, E, F, etc.") much more difficult. Such a prose summary might become unwieldy, and a simple flat list (as is common on most record label pages at current) is something I, at least, find much more user-friendly (but please weigh in, others who use such lists). As for which artists are included, I have long held that a full list of artists is encyclopedic; WP:NNC suggests that notability does not apply to content within articles, and the list is bounded, finite, and informative (though long for such a longstanding label) - though of course this does not suggest that every artist in the list should have an article written, nor that adding to this page voluminous information about artists with no article would be a good idea. Chubbles (talk) 05:33, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

Because there is a similar response below in the discussion section, I'll reply to both of you there. --Tryptofish (talk) 20:42, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

• Keep somewhere. It doesn't much matter if they're on this article's page or in a separate article (on Wikipedia, not data), linked to in the usual way from this article. An "editor has built a catalog that apparently only exists here": congratulations to that editor! Great work! That's a wonderful service for an encyclopedia to offer. It's obviously not original research; it's taking information that's publicly available and collating it: collation, not OR. Promo, webhost, etc: how could any list of commercial products be created if that were to be a reason for removal? There must be thousands of such articles on here (discographies, books published, films released, video games released...). Here's a list from 60secs of searching for Wikipedia articles with a discog like the one here: Verve Records discography, Apple Records discography, List of Taurus Records albums, Hollywood Records discography, Cash Money Records discography. There are also plenty of articles that have the discography as part of the label/company's article. In other words, this is a well-established and accepted practice. EddieHugh (talk) 21:26, 17 August 2017 (UTC)
• Keep in separate article, apologies for being late to the party. And I would only mention the most notable artists here, no extended list. Wwwhatsup (talk) 02:56, 4 September 2017 (UTC)

discussion

• Rcarlberg - yep, this is exactly why OR and NOT exist (especially NOT). You might want to put the catalog you built in Wikidata. They love that sort of thing. Jytdog (talk) 21:13, 3 August 2017 (UTC)
• Jytdog - will you be deleting https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ECM_Records_albums as well then?Rcarlberg (talk) 21:57, 3 August 2017 (UTC)

That response is typical advocacy and what we call WP:POINTY. Jytdog (talk) 21:25, 3 August 2017 (UTC)

Are you claiming there's no bias in your RfC?Rcarlberg (talk) 21:56, 3 August 2017 (UTC)

Wild claims of bias are another thing that advocates do when their policy-violating content is challenged. I have work to do here and in the RW and will not respond here further. Jytdog (talk) 22:05, 3 August 2017 (UTC)

Not exactly sure what makes my claim of bias "wild," when you want to unilaterally overturn an 8-year old editorial decision and delete a catalog which is nearly identical to another popular and long-standing catalog, and the only "policy" you point to as justification states (essentially) "The world isn't fair. Deal with it."Rcarlberg (talk) 14:19, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

• Tryptofish - I don't think making a prose list of artists on Cuneiform will work. For one, there are almost 160 of them, second most of them have their own Wiki articles, and third it's impossible to describe instrumental music in words. Cuneiform is one of those rare record labels (like ECM, Obscure, Impulse, Cinema, Blue Note, etc.) where the label identity unifies the artists; where if you like one release you are likely to enjoy other releases and other artists on the same label. Cuneiform's own website promotes current releases, but as a small independent label not everything is kept in print. The substantial used market for out-of-print releases is of no concern to the label, so they do nothing to document them. I always found this frustrating, so I took it upon myself to collate the release history from dozens of sources (Amazon, Discogs, Bandcamp, AllMusic, Wayside, and so forth) and present it in a sortable table making it easy to, for instance, see how many releases are available from each artist. I've gotten a lot of positive feedback from other Cuneiform listeners (we're a small but tightknit group). I see this sort of information (organized, collated, made searchable) as the best use of Wikipedia. In my viewpoint -- admittedly biased -- editors should concern themselves with removing questionable or biased or advocacy entries, and leave "pure" data to the SMEs (subject matter experts).Rcarlberg (talk) 16:01, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

Replying both to you and to Chubbles, I'll start with a general comment that it will be helpful to hear what other uninvolved editors will say during the course of this RfC. There are various options that I think could work for figuring how a prose description would work. I agree that it would work poorly to try to write about every musical genre. However, I see that some artists have made their original releases on this label, whereas others have been reissues. So one approach would be something approximately like: "In the early days of the label, [names] were some of the artists who first recorded for Cuneiform. Later, [names] also premiered on this label. Other artists, including [names], have had reissues issued by Cuneiform." You could of course expand that if there is more to do with early-versus-later. You might even organize it by decade. You could then have something approximately like: "These assorted musicians have characterized Cuneiform's position as a provider of [description]. In addition, other artists who have recorded for the label include [names]." In this way, you can actually contain many artists' names in the prose, and you are helping readers understand Cuneiform as a company. As for the best use of Wikipedia, it isn't really serving as a supplemental source of information for buyers, per WP:NOTADVERT. Rather, it is providing readers with an understanding of what the company is and how it works, as an encyclopedia rather than as a fan site. As for the notability issues, of course WP:NNC applies, but WP:CSC is more to the point here: lists typically are subject to selection criteria and would either have only notable entries or only non-notable ones, and complete lists containing both need to be kept short. Here, as an embedded list, it makes sense to focus on notable artists. However, you have another option as well. As with the example of ECM just above, you could omit the list from this page, and instead have a separate page with a standalone list (but that list would have to satisfy stricter notability requirements – if, like ECM, that would work, it would be a good option, and if the ECM list is notable but a Cuneiform list would not be, that should be telling you something.) WP:LWA and MOS:EMBED should be helpful in deciding between an embedded list and a standalone page. --Tryptofish (talk) 21:09, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

If moving the list (and, perhaps, the catalog, as well) to a standalone article is a solution other parties can agree to, I have no qualms there; where the information is located is neither here nor there as far as I'm concerned, but the rub seems instead to be over whether the information contained in the artist list and/or the catalog list ought to be on any page. Chubbles (talk) 03:36, 5 August 2017 (UTC)

I agree. The problem here is that notability seems to be entirely in the eye of the beholder. Who's to say the next editor with a Napoleon complex won't make the same decision again, another 8 years down the road?Rcarlberg (talk) 16:31, 5 August 2017 (UTC)

Incidentally at one point I had made the table hidden, as a compromise to the "separate page" option. That got deleted without discussion too.Rcarlberg (talk) 16:37, 5 August 2017 (UTC)

I have three suggestions. (1) If the move to a standalone list sounds like a good idea, great, go ahead with that. (2) If not, wait and see what other feedback comes from this RfC. (3) Take back that comment about a Napoleon complex. --Tryptofish (talk) 22:31, 5 August 2017 (UTC)

Done. Don't make me regret it, or I won't take back the Napoleon crack :) Rcarlberg (talk) 03:38, 6 August 2017 (UTC)

I take it that the issue of what goes on this page is resolved? Jytdog (talk) 08:24, 6 August 2017 (UTC)

I don't think so yet, Jytdog, others may yet want to comment. (such as myself, I want to look further into this). If we're commenting on record labels in general, it should probably be noted that what works for this label (Cuneiform) may not be appropriate for other labels, say Paramount Records. 78.26 _{(spin me / revolutions)} 13:30, 7 August 2017 (UTC)

• keep both or keep list of artists and move discography to Wikidata or it's really complicated. To start, has WikiProject Discographies been notified? They usually deal with artist discographies, not label discographies, but I think their input would be relevant. I'll try, promise, to organize my thoughts on this, but they're all over the place. Thought the first: We need to be careful about what we consider encyclopedic. Discussions around these types these arguments often are based on [[WP:ILIKEIT] or WP:IDL. I often see people argue to remove this information because they have no interest in the topic, and can't see how it is useful to anyone. I've undoubtedly, and may be here, fall into the opposite side because I have been collecting music and researching it my entire life, and can't tell you the number of times I've wished someone had done what the editors of this article have, which is to piece together information while it is still available, instead of 40 years later when information that was available is now long-gone. To me this is encyclopedic information, because it informs me of what the label issued, and the sequence in which it was issued. This information helps me understand the role the label had in shaping musical culture or sub-culture. Thought the second: Lists of the sort can be tricky. How can List of Walt Disney and Buena Vista video releases (since Disney is already a target here) be anything other than promotional? And again I'm really biased here. If I see a list of released of some web-only label from the last 2 years, I immediately think "delete as advertising", but were I to see a list of Grey Gull Records releases I'd think "Ain't Wikipedia Grand!?" Thought the third: Length is important. Do we really want a list of the hundreds of thousands of releases put out just by the US Columbia Records? So if a label had a short but notable history (Black Swan Records for instance) then perhaps a label discography would be helpful, but the aforementioned Columbia listing would be ridiculously cumbersome. This list doesn't seem too cumbersome, and it is nice that the two series have been separated. It makes sense to hat them, so that the article's appearance isn't overwhelmed by the list. I'm also fine with moving the information to WikiData, as long as that information is conspicuously linked to from this article. Thought the fourth: In general, I'd prefer to link to a discography website (under "external links") if it contains the information. However, none of the big three numerical listing websites list this label, not would they as it is too recent for them. It would best fit at Both Sides Now, but as there are CD-only releases that site would never include this information. If the complete information is at the label's website, then the "official site" link would be fine. In this case, there is a lot of out-of-print information not found on the company's current website, useful information for a music collector/researcher. I may have more "thoughts" later. If you've waded through all this, consider yourself warned! 78.26 _{(spin me / revolutions)} 17:03, 7 August 2017 (UTC)

As you think further, I'd be very interested in your thoughts about keeping embedded lists here at this page, versus splitting the lists out to standalone list pages. --Tryptofish (talk) 18:16, 7 August 2017 (UTC)

• So, the RfC time period having passed, it seems like we are all more or less happy with the catalog being farmed out to a stand-alone page. I would like to restore the basic artist list here, with a section hatnote to the catalog article, if there is reasonably secure consensus that the artist list is also worth keeping. Chubbles (talk) 17:04, 3 September 2017 (UTC)

There is no consensus to restore the artist list. If the album list is split out, it will need content and sources added, showing that it meets WP:LISTN (which may be totally possible). But if that is not done, I will nominate it for deletion. Jytdog (talk) 00:43, 4 September 2017 (UTC)

Nothing to do with above - for potential article improvement

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