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Alphabetization ignoring leading indefinite articles
Tables that are sorted by title should be alphabetized ignoring leading indefinite articles (i.e., starting with The, A, and An.) This not only aligns with the other TV programming pages, but also general English-language publishing standards – see, for example, APA guidelines at https://apastyle.apa.org/blog/alphabetize-nonsignificant-words. Please let me know if there are any significant objections to this proposed change. Nisf (talk) 18:06, 10 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I do object. This would be a very anglocentric move. Or could be perceived as one, even if the intention is not that. Netflix is a global company, servicing the whole world and though most shows have international (English) titles too, some shows deliberately do not. Also even applying this rule as some kind of a compromise to just English-language shows only would feel a hostile, anglocentric move to me, the perception being that people pushing this agenda are trying to exclude the rest of the world. Seprentyu (talk) 18:15, 10 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
And I do get that this is the English-language Wikipedia we are using here. Still, as long as there are no Wikipedia guidelines on this to follow (I dont know if there are already, I am not too big on guidelines, I usually leave this to others to enlighten me), I would not force this. Seprentyu (talk) 18:43, 10 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
As you mentioned, this is English-language Wikipedia, and I don't think it's "hostile" to follow English-language grammar conventions. Additionally, you can see that the article has a "use American English" maintenance tag (presumably to encourage consistency with spelling, grammar, and date formats). However, as far as I am aware, there is nothing in the Wikipedia MOS that addresses alphabetization specifically. Nisf (talk) 20:47, 10 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
What are we doing? Why are shows like Avatar: The Last Airbender & One Piece in a DUBLICATE "Kids & Family" section? I know why, cause Seprentyu seems to go around making alot of edits, some questionable at that. I edited that section last week with a reasonable explanation, and they just instantly reverted with no explanation. So can someone please explain to me, or to them, what's the deal there? Cause I don't wanna go into an edit war, but I do belive those mainstream shows don't belong in that category, in a duplicate one at that. DCF94 (talk) 21:55, 17 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Bro DCF94, first of all, if you want to make a major change, first reach consensus. I have the right to revert as someone who is defending the status quo and you have the right to take it to the talk page, like you did (sounding very unprofessional and offended though). Secondly and mainly, these shows are in the family category on Netflix. Do some research, look up the history, how we got to have this section on the page, before you go and start calling out people. Seprentyu (talk) 22:05, 17 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
And of course, its not a "dublicate". These are live-action Kids and Family shows. The other Kids and Family section is a sub-section of the animated shows. Seprentyu (talk) 22:11, 17 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, I do apologise for the dublicate comment, that was totally my oversite! and also for the animosity, that came out of my history with dealing with vandalism on pages that I contribute, and you reverting it without a explanation triggered that, but that's my issue to deal with.
Having said that, I still belive those shows do not belong in that category. I did scroll through the "kids & family" category, and found non of those shows there (not that Netflix is very consistent with how they categories their content), but the most crucial point: One Piece & Avatar are rated "13+", and by the TV rating system & Netflix's own system[1], those shows cannot be described as a "kids & family" show, and only shows that have a lower rating or "PG" do appear on Netflix's k&f cat.
Dont worry about it. Netflix really is inconsistent with categories, they do the same with anime, labelling stuff anime that some people do not consider that, but still its the best we have, because any other criteria for anime or family shows would be arbitrary or spark debate. Its not worth opening that can of worms. Avatar and One Piece are under Family Watch Together TV category by the way. Seprentyu (talk) 16:09, 19 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, I see, it wasn't in the "kids & family" cat., but yeah, I guess Netflix's categorisation is the easiest way, as inconsistent and silly it might look. 23:38, 19 February 2024 (UTC) DCF94 (talk) 23:38, 19 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]