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Congressional district table headers

Currently, it is "Member - Start - End - Congress - Party - Electoral history - Constituent LGUs". I'm proposing to change it to "Member - Start - End - Party - Electoral history - Congress - Constituent LGUs". Reasons:

  • Party should be close to the name as possible
  • Electoral history should be appear together with Congress.
  • Another option: Start & end could appear together with electoral history and Congress; if this is the case, it's after the party, therefore, it'll be "Member - Party - Start - End - Electoral history - Congress - Constituent LGUs".
  • Denoting vacancies is currently awkward in the current setup. Changing the order of columns will resolve that.

There are 200+ congressional districts currently, and around 50+ defunct ones, and I dunno if all articles are made by now. Since this will affect hundreds of articles, and that we have settled on the current setup, a discussion like this is warranted. Ultimately, this is also how other government position lists should be handled, but that's for another day. Howard the Duck (talk) 01:25, 11 April 2023 (UTC)

Media circus#Philippines

Just reverted an IP edit that removed what can be said to be historical media circuses and replaced them with completely recent events, but doesn't appear to have been a center of much hype and attached sources might not say so. Looks like this might benefit from sources that describe those events as such in the heading TagaSanPedroAko (talk) 22:01, 7 April 2023 (UTC)

I will try finding sources stating such events are media circuses, and delete them from the list if no sources are available. Sanglahi86 (talk) 15:02, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
After searching for reliable sources for the events listed there, I had difficulty finding sources stating such events are media circuses or sensationalized (unsurprising since the media probably might not want to place itself in a bad light). I was able to use two better sources (for Manila hostage crisis and Christine Dacera death). Maybe others can help in trimming that list or finding better sources. Sanglahi86 (talk) 15:42, 12 April 2023 (UTC)

Discussion of interest

This discussion may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Beyond My Ken (talk) 04:40, 16 April 2023 (UTC)

Project-independent quality assessments

Quality assessments by Wikipedia editors rate articles in terms of completeness, organization, prose quality, sourcing, etc. Most wikiprojects follow the general guidelines at Wikipedia:Content assessment, but some have specialized assessment guidelines. A recent Village pump proposal was approved and has been implemented to add a |class= parameter to {{WikiProject banner shell}}, which can display a general quality assessment for an article, and to let project banner templates "inherit" this assessment.

No action is required if your wikiproject follows the standard assessment approach. Over time, quality assessments will be migrated up to {{WikiProject banner shell}}, and your project banner will automatically "inherit" any changes to the general assessments for the purpose of assigning categories.

However, if your project has decided to "opt out" and follow a non-standard quality assessment approach, all you have to do is modify your wikiproject banner template to pass {{WPBannerMeta}} a new |QUALITY_CRITERIA=custom parameter. If this is done, changes to the general quality assessment will be ignored, and your project-level assessment will be displayed and used to create categories, as at present. Aymatth2 (talk) 17:22, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

I support this change. Assessing articles are quite the hassle especially if you're doing it for several wikiprojects. --Lenticel (talk) 23:43, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
I agree, it does sound good. - MistahPeemayer (talk) 05:27, 17 April 2023 (UTC)

The "Sr." in Ferdinand Marcos Sr.

I note with some interest that some editors have begun adding "Sr." to the name of Ferdinand Marcos Sr., which is not wrong in itself, but to my knowledge does not yet have a standard style on Wikipedia based on consensus. Most of the time, he's still just called Ferdinand Marcos. I suggest we decide on a standard style here, before this gets confusing. - MistahPeemayer (talk) 07:11, 17 April 2023 (UTC)

When distinguishing from his son, and we're not using "Bongbong", most people suffix "Sr." (first choice), or use the middle name Edralin (second choice). I'd agree the father is "the Ferdinand Marcos", and the son is either "Bongbong Marcos" or "Ferdinand Marcos Jr." Howard the Duck (talk) 05:39, 19 April 2023 (UTC)
I see that MOS:SR says, "Using Jr., Sr., or other such distinctions, including in the lead sentence of an article, is only for cases in which the name with the suffix is commonly used in reliable sources.". However, MOS:SAMESURNAME says, "Individuals distinguished with a generational suffix can be written about in Forename Suffix style to disambiguate from other family members in the same article: William Sr., John Jnr, James III. No comma is used in these short constructions.". WP:IAR (a WP:POLICY says, "If a rule prevents you from improving or maintaining Wikipedia, ignore it.". My take on that is that we should do what makes sense to avoid confusing general readers. For consistancy re the Marcoses, there should probably be some guidance on this in MOS:PH. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 23:45, 20 April 2023 (UTC)
"Ferdinand Marcos" is the father. The son is never almost never referred to as "Ferdinand Marcos" (some foreign media may, though). I dunno how confusing can this be. If we are talking about these two people in the same article, it is best to distinguish the father as "Ferdinand Sr", "the father", "the elder Marcos", etc. It does get confusing if you'd have to discuss the entire Marcos family as several members are notable in their own right. Howard the Duck (talk) 10:03, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
I'm fine with having the suffixes when the two are discussed in an article together. Otherwise, stick with Ferdinand Marcos for articles that discusses the father. --Lenticel (talk) 23:47, 1 May 2023 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Communist rebellion in the Philippines#Requested move 22 April 2023

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Communist rebellion in the Philippines#Requested move 22 April 2023 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. —hueman1 (talk • contributions) 03:30, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

For context, that proposal is to help reduce confusion regarding the various Communist armed conflicts in the Philippines of which the New People's Army conflict is only one of several (the most notable of whom are now defunct, but is still at least one ongoing non-NPA conflict. All of the votes on the proposal thus far have suggested that the article is better moved to New People's Army "rebellion" rather than "conflict," and my understanding is that "NPA rebellion" is the new consensus currently being sought, in place of "NPA conflict." Comments would be very appreciated, since the present naming of the articles is confusing. Thanks! - Chieharumachi (talk) 02:25, 2 May 2023 (UTC)

Basis of in-between kilometer markers for PHLint / road intersections table

I've noticed that a lot of road articles using the PHLint template tend to have filled in data for the kilometers of certain intersections along the road. However, based on the DPWH Road and Bridge Inventory (direct link), it provides the location of kilometer markers but not the exact kilometers at any given point of the map.

Some examples of this can be found in the intersections tables of Aspiras–Palispis Highway and EDSA where there are kilometer numbers in decimals and for intersections not precisely located at kilometer markers. Does anyone know what's the basis of those and how would I be able to compute them? Ganmatthew (talk • contribs) 02:59, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

WikiProject Asian Australians

Hi,

I am looking for members to join WikiProject Council/Proposals/Asian Australians.

I figured that some members of WikiProject Philippines might want to help contribute to the proposed WikiProject.

Let me know if you are interested!

Thanks, AverageFraud (talk) 09:26, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

Xilhouete

I welcome improvements to this newly created entry for drag performer Xilhouete. More specifically, I'm hoping editors here might be able to add early life and education details. Thanks! ---Another Believer (Talk) 22:16, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Asin–Nangalisan–San Pascual Road#Requested move 5 May 2023

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Asin–Nangalisan–San Pascual Road#Requested move 5 May 2023 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. EggRoll97 (talk) 23:16, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

Including the Philippines in Spanish linguistic maps (isoglosses)

Hi, folks. I've opened a couple of discussions regarding including the Philippines on linguistic maps of Spanish, largely stemming from the work put into bringing back the article on Philippine Spanish. For those who would like to join in the discussion, you may do so in the following places:

Input from interested Filipino editors would be deeply appreciated. --Sky Harbor (talk) 08:14, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

Manila before the 1978

This may be a dumb question, but was the city of Manila ever part of a region (perhaps Southern Tagalog, since it was the closest) prior to the creation of the National Capital Region (NCR)? If so, when Metro Manila was carved out of the province of Rizal in 1975, was it still part of Southern Tagalog (since it has yet to be designated as the NCR)?

Another thing, a line from the Metro Manila article says On November 7, 1975, Metro Manila was formally established through Presidential Decree No. 824. The Metropolitan Manila Commission was also created to manage the region (take note that it says region); however, it wasn't until 1978 when Metro Manila became a region. —hueman1 (talk • contributions) 08:19, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

Comment on 2nd paragraph: "to manage the region" must be changed to "to manage the metropolitan area". Page xix of the 1975 Census says PD 824 created "Metropolitan Manila" as a "public corporation"; it also refers to Metropolitan Manila as a "metropolitan area" and not a "region".

—Sanglahi86 (talk) 10:40, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

@Sanglahi86: Interestingly, the map on page 4 (of the PDF) shows an uncarved province of Rizal. I'm not sure if the National Census and Statistics Office forgot to update the map or if Metro Manila was technically still part of Rizal (and Bulacan) until 1978. —hueman1 (talk • contributions) 12:26, 15 May 2023 (UTC)
Before PD 879 was signed in 1976, Metropolitan Manila had been under "Region No. 4" (Southern Tagalog) under the Integrated Reorganization Plan. When PD 879 divided Region No. 4 into two ("Region No. 4" and "Region No. 4-A") in 1976, Metropolitan Manila remained under "Region 4". Probably it remained under Region 4 until NCR was created under PD 1396 in 1978. Sanglahi86 (talk) 18:23, 15 May 2023 (UTC)
This explains why most of Metro Manila was still part of Rizal on the Philippine map in the 1975 census report. Besides that, a statement in the report says Except for Valenzuela in Bulacan, all 12 municipalities are within the provincial jurisdiction of Rizal. —hueman1 (talk • contributions) 01:33, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

Philippine labor migration policy

This obscure page somewhat caught my attention, but this appears to need much cleanup. Looks like more of some academic project (essay or thesis) than an article (the article is even in title case, so I moved it). TagaSanPedroAko (talk) 02:03, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

We could begin by deleting the outdated statistics tables. Sanglahi86 (talk) 10:02, 9 May 2023 (UTC)
Needs a lot of work. The article's tone is uncyclopedic. --Lenticel (talk) 00:40, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
For context, this and a number of adjacent articles were written by Ateneo de Manila students as part of their Economics classes. If you see that they need work, I would recommend that we work on them. --Sky Harbor (talk) 21:44, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
That explains the essay-like article. Should that be put somewhere in the talk page? You're welcome to work on it. --Lenticel (talk) 02:52, 15 May 2023 (UTC)
@Sky Harbor: That being an academic project should have been disclosed in the first place. User who written the article (User:Sunshinestonight) should have done a similar disclosure. Would like to know why there's no talk page notice posted. Also the article looks like it's an orphan (not linked to most other articles).
TagaSanPedroAko (talk) 02:01, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
As far as I know these articles date back from ~10 years ago. While academic projects don't pose an inherent conflict of interest as they were written for a grade (no money involved), and the students were supervised by an instructor who would be an expert in the article's subject matter, I don't expect them to be totally versed in Wikipedia policy. --Sky Harbor (talk) 06:57, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

Sara Duterte's political affiliation

After her resignation from Lakas, should she be considered an independent politician? She is still a member of the HNP regional party. Itsquietuptown ✉️📜 10:39, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

If she is still a member of HNP she should be listed accordingly, as far as I'm concerned. --Sky Harbor (talk) 15:17, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

Perceptions on Philippine English

Looks like perceptions is something missing with the article about Philippine English, especially common perceptions of it being a class symbol. The article is too much focused on vocab and pronunciation; the sociolinguistics of the language is also something worthy of discussion. TagaSanPedroAko (talk) 20:33, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

Is this something that has even been studied academically? Philippine Spanish has empirical data backing it up as being a class symbol; I presume it's been studied as well for Philippine English given that it's basically confirming what we already know to be true, but I wonder what has already been written about this that can be included in the article. --Sky Harbor (talk) 22:21, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
In the case of perceptions missing in the article, I mean like the common perceptions about the language, especially speakers or its use (especially "straight"/acrolectal forms) being sometimes seen as sosyal. They may be found in academic sources, but these manifest a lot in pop culture.TagaSanPedroAko (talk) 01:14, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
@Sky Harbor: Maybe that's a sociolinguistic aspect. Willing to work of that? We're missing info about how PH English is sometimes perceived, and its common association with formality and class. TagaSanPedroAko (talk) 20:21, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
My current focus outside of my normal topic areas at the moment is improving our coverage of Spanish in the Philippines, since I find that to be sorely lacking and incomplete. It also doesn't help that we perpetuate this idea, inadvertently or deliberately, that the language is dead when it isn't, perhaps because we don't have access to sources – sources that now we have access to because I happen to be in a place where, obviously, it's studied extensively and because, as far as I know, I'm one of only a handful of Filipino Wikipedians who can speak the language. Updating that for me is far more pressing at the moment than working on our coverage of English in the Philippines, where sources are far more easily accessible. That said, here are a few journal articles which I found that address the topic if you want to take a crack at it:
I imagine there is more literature out there and while I can help with finding sources, you are more than welcome to touch it given where my current priorities are. --Sky Harbor (talk) 21:23, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

Updating Metro Manila railway colors

A new map from the LRTA has emerged, showing LRT-1 as green, LRT-2 as purple, MRT-3 as blue, and MRT-7 as red. I think we should update LRT 2 and MRT 3 to reflect these new colors. Itsquietuptown ✉️📜 09:59, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

Since LRTA is an official source and the current owner and operator of the LRT-2, then I agree that this should signify that the LRT Line 2 article and any references to LRT-2 should be using the purple color. However, I'm not sure about applying this to the MRT Line 3 article and references to it since the same map is not being used on the MRT-3. Although, DOTr-MRT3 does primarily use blue on its branding and on socmed, with only limited references to its yellow color. So for me, that's a strong yes for LRT-2 and a weak yes for MRT-3. Ganmatthew (talk • contribs) 07:29, 9 May 2023 (UTC)
I am very inclined to follow the LRTA's recommendations, but is there an active MRT-3 map available somewhere? (Also, what happened to the discussion we had over how to name lines; now I see "LRT Line 2" is the title for LRT-2 contrary to the discussion we had three years ago?!) --Sky Harbor (talk) 21:49, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
There is an included map on the brochure on the MRT-3's website, although I'm not certain when it was last updated. Not sure if there are more updated maps within MRT-3 stations. Itsquietuptown ✉️📜 10:42, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
The brochure makes mention of face masks but not face shields so it must have been released around 2020 or 2022 (considering face shields were mandatory for roughly the entirety of 2021). It's also interesting that the line colors are way more different; LRT-1 is yellow, LRT-2 is blue, and MRT-3 is...green?
To confirm, the About page where the brochure is posted at on the Wayback Machine shows many different brochure versions. In some of them, LRT-1 was red, LRT-2 was blue, and MRT-3 was green.
If we base it on the earliest crawl of About page that shows the brochure you posted, it was on February 8, 2023. Ganmatthew (talk • contribs) 09:53, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Re-titleing the Battle of Balangiga article to Balangiga massacre suggested

I've suggested re-titleing the Battle of Balangiga article as Balangiga massacre. If you have an opinion on that, please discuss at Talk:Battle of Balangiga § Title of this article. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 12:02, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

Academic year#Philippines

Looks like the text related to school year for primary/secondary reflects what was then during COVID (August to May). Maybe someone should update COVID-19 pandemic in the Philippines#Education as well. TagaSanPedroAko (talk) 09:32, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

SCTEx exit 88

IP users have been insisting SCTEx exit 88 is NLEx exit (following toll matrix), not Mabiga Interchange (as used on the overpass at the exit itself), and this has been going on for months. Should consider pending changes for the article, so to deter such changes. Other solution is to list both names: NLEx/Mabiga Interchange. TagaSanPedroAko (talk) 19:28, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

Seeking advice for a draft pertaining to a Filipino pop band

I have been working on Draft:Hori7on for months, and I would like to ask for advice on how I can further improve the article to have it transferred to the article space sooner. EdrianJustine (talk) 20:23, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

Looks good to me. I think now that the group is closer to their "official" debut it has matured to the point where it should make sense to have an article on them so I don't see any further reason why it would be declined again. You've already cited way more reliable sources than I can muster for some local indie rock groups. I can see you worked hard on this draft so good job and good luck!
BTW, seeing as you have 5000+ edits already with extended confirmed permissions, in the future you can probably just use the Move tool to publish the article to main space yourself if you feel it already passes the notability criteria. PritongKandule-✉️📝 09:17, 26 June 2023 (UTC)
Thank you for the advice and the feedback; I greatly appreciate it. EdrianJustine (talk) 19:30, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

Opposing views to Taglish

Much like how we're missing the sociolinguistic aspects of PH English (such as perceptions of class and status), I think we should be adding a section about opposing viewpoints regarding Taglish (with sources of course). TagaSanPedroAko (talk) 19:35, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

It seems to me that this concerns Filipino more than it concerns Taglish, relating also to the basis of the de jure national language. Some quick searching turned up some possibly useful sources: [1], [2], [3]. There's probably a lot more out there. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 23:07, 25 June 2023 (UTC)
@Wtmitchell My primary inspiration to suggest adding a section about criticism or opposition for Taglish (mostly from language educators or regulators) are the articles for Bahasa Rojak (Malay-English code-switching/slang). TagaSanPedroAko (talk) 23:31, 26 June 2023 (UTC)
Oh. I wasn't clear on that. Offhand, it seems to me that Taglish is more similar to what is called Business Rojak there than to Bhasa Rojak. I'm neither Filipino nor Malay, though, and that's an offhand opinion based on not very much. In any case, I don't think I have anything else to say here that might be useful. Cheers. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 11:32, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

Occupations overloading on PH celebrity pages

I've noticed that the majority of Filipino celebrity articles specifically tend to overload/overstate their occupations in their lead sentences with every possible permutation of their job as a "celebrity", violating the guidelines stipulated on MOS:OPENPARABIO/MOS:ROLEBIO. For example, a lot of people wrote "singer" and "dancer" not because they've recorded an album or are known as a career dancer, but simply because they probably sang and danced in ASAP a few times. Another common one is "model", because they posed for a clothing line or magazine covers, and "endorser" because they appeared in commercials and billboards. I'd argue these are all pretty standard work for most celebrities in the Philippines.

Some are easy enough to edit out, but where do we draw the line for some roles? Can an actor really be considered a singer because Star Magic made them record a sappy love song or two with a loveteam partner? Does being contractually obligated to dance in a variety show counts as being a professional "dancer"? What sets apart a "model" from an attractive actor? Is being a vlogger a valid occupation for someone already famous for being an actor? Is "endorser" even a real job?

Thoughts on this? PritongKandule-✉️📝 09:58, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

I don't have anything situationally specific on this, but I notte that the nutshell summary of WP:LEAD says, "The lead should identify the topic and summarize the body of the article with appropriate weight." Looking at that from the other direction, it seems reasonable to say a claim not weighty enough to merit expansion in a body section does not belong in the lead. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 11:00, 26 June 2023 (UTC)
Looking into it more, it just seems there isn't an easy way to go about it except to go on a case-by-case. But having at least some mention of a role in the article body seems like a good enough justification for whether or not an role is a valid inclusion in the lede. I'll go start cleaning up some ledes when I have the time but if anyone objects to this just ping me. PritongKandule-✉️📝 06:20, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

Missing details on Censorship in the Philippines

The article about censorship in the Philippines has extensive history coverage, but doesn't go deep with details such as with:

  • blurring/pixelization/grayscaling of objectionable content (nudity, blood and gore, cadavers of real people, middle finger gesture). It's covered in the pixelization article, but should also be discussed in the main article.
  • avoidance in mentioning major brands in most news reporting (and also blurring of most video footage showing major brands, unless main subject)
  • film bans, especially those that shown maps displaying the nine-dash line.

TagaSanPedroAko (talk) 01:50, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

Added further content already. Problem with with sources. TagaSanPedroAko (talk) 08:32, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:List of programs aired by AksyonTV/5 Plus#Requested move 27 June 2023

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:List of programs aired by AksyonTV/5 Plus#Requested move 27 June 2023 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. —hueman1 (talk • contributions) 09:35, 2 July 2023 (UTC)

I want opinion if I should upload an SVG file of a municipality logo. . .

Hey! I would like to ask if I can overwrite the PNG logo of Bataraza here to an SVG version, which I created a while ago here.

This is the PNG version of the logo:

File:Bataraza_Palawan.png

I am asking since I am taken aback by the clauses in the logo, and I don't know what to do. Thanks in advance!


Khamer Jun Manalo (chat) 07:44, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

You cannot actually overwrite a file with another file of a different file format. You can upload the SVG file and then replace uses of the PNG file with the SVG file. —seav (talk) 05:46, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
I would recommend uploading the seal on Commons. We should deprecate the uploading of non-architectural Philippine government works locally in favor of Commons since the seals are freely usable anyway. --Sky Harbor (talk) 11:32, 2 July 2023 (UTC)

Need help for Mario Dumaual

Hello! I just created an article for the recently-deceased Mario Dumaual (the ABS-CBN showbiz writer). I'm still working on it, but please feel free to add more information that I may have missed. Thanks! --- Tito Pao (talk) 12:17, 5 July 2023 (UTC)

Update List of power plants in the Philippines

This list has been incomplete and outdated for some time. I found a source online that has the data, but is really tedious to do. It would be much appreciated if anyone can help out. Thanks! JETH888 (message) 14:54, 6 July 2023 (UTC)

@Jeth888: I'd be willing to help out. —hueman1 (talk • contributions) 00:22, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

Schools in List of tourist attractions in the Philippines

List of tourist attractions in the Philippines contains a section "Schools, colleges and universities". I don't know which are tourist attractions there; many are labeled as "Historical Sites" but this doesn't automatically mean these are tourist attractions or visited by tourists. Should we delete that entire section? Sanglahi86 (talk) 09:34, 2 July 2023 (UTC)

I agree that it is not appropriate to be included there. Most of them are not even freely accessible by the public making no sense why it is considered as a tourist attraction even though some are considered as a “Historical site”. JETH888 (message) 18:45, 7 July 2023 (UTC)
Unless they are verified as tourist spots, I think they should be removed. --Lenticel (talk) 01:17, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
Ok, I removed the section. Sanglahi86 (talk) 07:51, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
Yes, historical sites aren't automatically tourist sites. I doubt that Camp Crame for example allows tourists with no official business with the PNP in. Not sure if they have a museum, which is accessible to the public, inside the premise though. Hariboneagle927 (talk) 08:00, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

When to use Filipino or Tagalog, again

Maybe this is a perennial question, but when should we use Filipino or Tagalog? Just stumbled upon Filipino at a place like storey, where I'm inclined toward linking to Tagalog instead if we consider Filipino and Tagalog the same thing setting aside political designations. Maybe this should be formalized in MOS:PHIL. TagaSanPedroAko (talk) 08:36, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

I don't understand more than a few words in any Philippine language but I think that in articles not focused on the Philippines )i.e., the one exampled) this should be considered from a perspective outside of the Philippines -- a more neutral POV. The "we" whose POV is being catered to should not be just Filipinos, but should be WP's target users. The section at issue in the exampled article focuses on the Philippines. IMO, in such situations, the name of the designated national language should be used unless there is some overriding factors such as timeline considerations or the impact of disputes which need clarification. When such overriding factors are present -- specifically in the case of the Philippines -- this should not be presented considering only two alternative languages or language designations if more than two alternative languages see significant usage in the country (i.e., the designated regional languages or the very numerous other languages spoken in the Philippines). That's how it seems to me, anyhow. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 11:08, 8 July 2023 (UTC).
I look at it like this:
  • If it has an air of "officiality" to it (so the name of a piece of infrastructure, for example), use "Filipino".
  • If we talk about the language people speak, this was how I treated this subject in Languages spoken by presidents of the Philippines: the term "Filipino" appears only for Corazon Aquino and beyond, since that's when Filipino became a thing. For all presidents before her, I used "Tagalog".
  • There may be cases where "Tagalog/Filipino" might be appropriate. The Philippines section in the storey article seems like one of those cases but it may be a bit clunky.
Unfortunately, there's no hard-and-fast rule for where "Tagalog" ends and where "Filipino" begins, but if we need at least one boundary we could at least use "Filipino" for anything involving government and anything that has an air of officiality as I said earlier. --Sky Harbor (talk) 12:24, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

List of proposed cities in the Philippines

This concern was first addressed on JWilz12345's talk page earlier this day.

Since his IP address has been blocked, I decided to raise his concern here (I hope he doesn't mind). Quoting JWilz12345's now deleted message: [I]s the list article List of proposed cities in the Philippines merit inclusion on Wikipedia? It is the very first list article on "proposed cities" on English Wikipedia, and almost all of sources used are primary sources (House Bills' pdf from House of Representatives of the Philippines). Per WP:PRIMARY, reliable secondary sources should be used in most cases. HueMan1 (talk) 12:01, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

I was thinking of somehow replacing this with a list of all local plebiscites instead (maybe an expanded version of Hariboneagle927's Draft:List of cityhood plebiscites in the Philippines that includes all types of local plebiscites, such as renaming and HUC conversion plebiscites). HueMan1 (talk) 12:14, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
That list misses out the biggest plebiscite of all, the Novaliches cityhood plebiscite. Howard the Duck (talk) 17:57, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

Barangay notability redux

Head's up! There's an ongoing discussion on WP:GEOLAND to remove or restrict the presumed notability of legally-recognized populated places/settlements. This could potentially solve our perennial problem that barangays are presumed notable leading to almost permanent stub articles on barangays. Discussion: Wikipedia talk:Notability (geographic features)#Deriving a wording proposal. —seav (talk) 09:10, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

The recent When does a place become legal and allowed an article? discussion on that same talk page appears also relevant. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 10:49, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
Barangays aren't "administrative units" but are full fledged political units (probably legally recognized, and perhaps even more so than that) with elected executives and assemblies. Now, if such places in the Philippines automatically do have Wikipedia articles is a very complicated question indeed. Howard the Duck (talk) 18:08, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

How to call commissioners of constitutional commissions

So I was creating Category:Chairpersons of the Commission on Audit (Philippines), then there's this Category:Commissioners of constitutional commissions of the Philippines, and I figured, why not a category of commissioners for each commission?

Until I realize that "Commissioner of the Commission on Elections" sounds awkward. However, category names are pluralized, so "Commissioners of the Commission on Elections" doesn't sound that awkward. Of course common parlance refers to these people as "COMELEC commissioners" (COA and CSC are much less mainstream than the COMELEC, so the terms "COA commissioner" and "CSC commissioner" may not be as popular); how should these commissioner categories be named? Ultimately, if we're saying "COMELEC commissioner", we might as well WP:RM Commission on Elections (Philippines) to COMELEC. Howard the Duck (talk) 18:03, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

Hmm...probably "Commissioner of the Commission of ___"? To keep it consistent with the naming for the categories of the chairpersons. I'm partial towards the complete name instead of the acronym because I'm assuming that outside the Philippines, other readers won't know what COMELEC, CSC or COA stands for. (The necessary disclaimer: my grandfather is a former Commissioner of a constitutional commission.) --- Tito Pao (talk) 06:40, 17 July 2023 (UTC)
Hmmm... off the top of my head, "Commissioner of Elections." I haven't looked into pros vs. cons of this at all, though. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 13:04, 17 July 2023 (UTC)
I'm looking at Supreme Court cases and the common way the commissioners themselves are addressed are "Commissioner of (position)", as evidenced in court cases involving the COA, the COMELEC, the CSC, the BI, the BOC and the BIR. That said, for the purpose of creating Wikipedia categories I would be fine with using "Commissioners of the (name of commission)" as the standard naming convention. --Sky Harbor (talk) 21:05, 17 July 2023 (UTC)
As a former National Government Agency employee, I have to say "[a/the ]Commissioner of the (name of commission)" is not actually that uncommon. "(Name of commission) commissioner" is common largely because of media coverage, where there's a premium on space. (Although of course the most common usage is "Commissioner NAME of the (name of commission)." - Batongmalake (talk) 04:52, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
Thanks for your thoughts. I've created Category:Commissioners of the Commission on Elections (Philippines) and Category:Commissioners of the Commission on Audit (Philippines). I haven't created the CSC counterpart as we don't have articles for any of the commissioners. Howard the Duck (talk) 23:20, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

Infobox military conflict usage

I*n discussion here, I observed that articles related to the Philippine Revolution, the Philippine theater of the Spanish-American War and the Philippine-American War seem to tend to flout instructions in the docs for template:infobox military conflict saying that the commander paramatrers are optional and, , "For battles, this should include military commanders (and other officers as necessary). For wars, only prominent or notable leaders should be listed, with an upper limit of about seven per combatant column recommended." Besides those linked articles, I also mentioned the OEF-P article. Perhaps this needs some project-level thought and guidance. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 10:16, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

Retaining information on COVID-19 protocols and mandates on articles

Since most COVID-19 protocols and mandates have been relaxed or have been completely abolished, I noticed there are some articles where editors are removing all mentions of the COVID-19 protocols previously in place such as on the MRT-3 article and the Manila Light Rail Transit System article. Should these be retained in a shorter form or is it in agreement to remove all traces of it like that? Ganmatthew (talk • contribs) 14:14, 23 July 2023 (UTC)

I think the info still deserves a mention; maybe incorporate it under History sections, but summarized like what Lenticel said. Sanglahi86 (talk) 15:06, 24 July 2023 (UTC)
Comment I think that in most cases, some of this information will be important to preserve, if they are relevant to future emergencies and pandemics, or if they otherwise shape the way the subject is approached. For example, a quick mention of the protocols implemented on the LRT, or a summary of the pandemic response of the Pasig LGU, ought to be preserved. These are both historically significant and useful for decision makers and the general public. - Batongmalake (talk) 05:16, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

Request section

On the main project page, the tab for requests for Philippine-related articles, media, or templates currently displays "Requested articles." This label might suggest that the tab is exclusively for article requests, while in reality, it covers all the previously mentioned types of requests. Is there a specific reasoning for that or can we change it to be more suited for its page?

Regarding the media request section, it could be beneficial to find a way to incorporate other requests for the same Philippine-related articles, such as those that are in Category:Wikipedia requested photographs in the Philippines or Category:Wikipedia requested maps in the Philippines, to ensure they are also appropriately addressed. JETH888 (message) 19:36, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

Yeah, I think we could make it as its own tab to better reflect this. Do you suggest the tab being called "Requests" or is there a better way or wording it? I was thinking of naming it simply as "Requests" but it sound ambiguous. Ganmatthew (talk • contribs) 13:25, 23 July 2023 (UTC)
It might sound ambiguous, but it is more appropriate and less misleading because it serves as an umbrella term for different requests, not just articles. Since there are no other objections against it, I believe we have reached a consensus, and I will proceed with renaming the tab.
As for my other concern, do you have any thoughts or opinions about it? JETH888 (message) 17:26, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
Hmm, yeah I think it would be a good idea too. Ganmatthew (talk • contribs) 17:38, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

Reorganizing List of shopping malls in the Philippines

List of shopping malls in the Philippines needs massive cleanup and reorganizing. I was thinking of removing the columns Developer, Remarks, and Image, as it is just too much detail for a list article. We can also place the source(s) in a separate column like in a streamlined table format such as List of shopping malls in India. What are your thoughts on this proposal? How can we further improve the list? Sanglahi86 (talk) 08:26, 5 August 2023 (UTC)

If we remove the columns stated above, for sections that will contain only the mall name, city/municipality, and province, we can emulate List of shopping malls in the United States to convert the affected table(s) into a simple list. Sanglahi86 (talk) 08:33, 5 August 2023 (UTC)

Credibility bot

As this is a highly active WikiProject, I would like to introduce you to Credibility bot. This is a bot that makes it easier to track source usage across articles through automated reports and alerts. We piloted this approach at Wikipedia:Vaccine safety and we want to offer it to any subject area or domain. We need your support to demonstrate demand for this toolkit. If you have a desire for this functionality, or would like to leave other feedback, please endorse the tool or comment at WP:CREDBOT. Thanks! Harej (talk) 18:03, 5 August 2023 (UTC)

Looks like a good idea. It would also be useful for tracking the usage of Facebook and Twitter sources which we've often had to resort to due to a lot of official entities in the country preferring to post there rather than on official websites. I'll wait for others to comment but I so far support endorsement. Ganmatthew (talk • contribs) 19:22, 5 August 2023 (UTC)
Sounds neat --Lenticel (talk) 00:03, 7 August 2023 (UTC)

Hi Tambayan, would you like to request access to this bot? I can put WP:PINOY there. Thanks. --Lenticel (talk) 07:10, 7 August 2023 (UTC)

Would be great. Although it seems like we should ideally recommend a scope of article categories to focus on. What can we include? Maybe we could use the higher Importance class level articles for starters. Ganmatthew (talk • contribs) 09:55, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
I'm fine with that article range. --Lenticel (talk) 01:06, 8 August 2023 (UTC)

Request for review clearance

Not sure if this is the right place to ask but I'd like to have three of the latest articles I created and assessed (Camp Nakar, Camp Capinpin and Jose Marco) to be reviewed so that it could appear to more users on Wiki. I made them roughly the same time as Camp dela Cruz (which was the only one which passed the review that day). Thanks so much! Borgenland (talk) 16:46, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

Apologies it turns out I was supposed to mean Page Curation. Borgenland (talk) 05:12, 20 August 2023 (UTC)

Women in Green's 5th Edit-a-thon

Hello Tambayan Philippines:

WikiProject Women in Green is holding a month-long Good Article Edit-a-thon event in October 2023!

Running from October 1 to 31, 2023, WikiProject Women in Green (WiG) is hosting a Good Article (GA) edit-a-thon event with the theme Around the World in 31 Days! All experience levels welcome. Never worked on a GA project before? We'll teach you how to get started. Or maybe you're an old hand at GAs – we'd love to have you involved! Participants are invited to work on nominating and/or reviewing GA submissions related to women and women's works (e.g., books, films) during the event period. We hope to collectively cover article subjects from at least 31 countries (or broader international articles) by month's end. GA resources and one-on-one support will be provided by experienced GA editors, and participants will have the opportunity to earn a special WiG barnstar for their efforts.

We hope to see you there!

Grnrchst (talk) 13:36, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

National Democracy (Philippines) Cleanup request

Can anyone fix the National Democracy (Philippines)? So far I've de-buzzed several Philippine articles save this one. I really don't want to be embroilled in political stuff but you might be interested in taking a stab on it. --Lenticel (talk) 08:02, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

  • It appears to be tagbombed, to be honest. There are several links to Leninism, yet it is listed under Maoism/China politics, which doesn't make sense. There isn't that much original material, I'm thinking it would be better to just redirect it to Communist Party of the Philippines, which covers the topic better than this article does. Dennis Brown - 2¢ 09:49, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

At a quick look, the article seems fine. It outlines well the article subject. None of the tags are explained on the talk page, so I'd say it would be best to just remove them. --Soman (talk) 12:04, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

The tags aren't very helpful, but neither is the article at this point. For the most part, it gives a WP:DICDEF of National Democracy, then just copies what is in the CPP article. It's more of a bad fork. And that doesn't change the fact that it appears to be incorrectly linked to Maoism, which is a weaker association than Leninism. Maybe a good article could be written, but this isn't it. It just isn't as useful as the parent article. Dennis Brown - 2¢ 19:19, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:List of Philippine musical instruments#Requested move 22 September 2023

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:List of Philippine musical instruments#Requested move 22 September 2023 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. ❯❯❯ Raydann(Talk) 00:31, 2 October 2023 (UTC)

Maharlika Highway

maybe someone can look into adding the updated official designation of Maharlika Highway onto our Route 1 article. DPWH just had a recent order that have redefined it to Route 1 down from Lal-lo to Guiguinto, and Calamba to Zamboanga. previously, Maharlika Highway (or Daang Maharlika) was just for the route down from Lal-lo to Guiguinto and Muntinlupa to Davao (including those also named Doña Remedios Trinidad Highway, Cagayan Valley Road or Manila South Road). TagaSanPedroAko (talk) 09:46, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

Graphs in LGU articles

Every city and municipality article has an "Economy" section, which is almost exclusively a graph of how poverty-stricken the area is. As much as possible, these should be reformatted as tables and we should stop using graphs moving forward, as that functionality is broken. Howard the Duck (talk) 15:33, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

  • Support, though not to remove graphs since it is likely to be fixed in the near future. It's good practice anyway to have the data shown in graphs also displayed on a table, as graphs can make the exact values harder to read and having tables provides a different way of viewing the data.

Ganmatthew (talk • contribs) 07:30, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

This has been broken for months and I don't think a fix is in sight? Howard the Duck (talk) 19:36, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

Categorization of congresspeople

I've gone around congressional categorization, and I've found some questions that have to be discussed first before doing something:

  1. Our basic categorization for the Senate is via senatorial districts of the Philippines. I am thinking of having all senators elected at-large As Category:Members of the Senate of the Philippines elected at-large, but I'm asking you guys if that's a good idea.
  2. Our basic categorization for the House of Representatives is via city and province for members elected via congressional districts, and per party for party-list members; we don't do via districts (except for above). From EDSA to around the turn of the millennium, we have representation via adjacent then-municipalities, for example, Legislative district of San Juan–Mandaluyong (these should really be moved to San Juan–Mandaluyong's at-large congressional district, but that's for another day). The sole remaining example is Legislative district of Taguig–Pateros. How should congressmen be categorized then? Should Ronaldo Zamora be categorized as a congressman both from Mandaluyong and San Juan? What shall we do with Category:Members of the House of Representatives of the Philippines from Pateros–Taguig and Category:Members of the House of Representatives of the Philippines from Taguig?
  3. I have already cleared out Category:Members of the Senate of the Philippines, so all senators will be categorized either by district or per legislative term. Should we do the same for congressmen? I've looked at the US Congress example and they don't do this. Is categorization by province and city good enough?
  4. How are members of the Philippine Assembly, National Assembly (Philippines) and Batasang Pambansa be treated? Should Philippine Assembly members that were not elected in the House of Representatives be included in for example, Category:Members of the House of Representatives of the Philippines from Ilocos Norte, or shall we create a separate Category:Members of the Philippine Assembly from Ilocos Norte, Category:Members of the National Assembly of the Philippines from Ilocos Norte and Category:Members of the Batasang Pambansa of the Philippines from Ilocos Norte? How about the Interim Batasang Pambansa, where representation was per region?

Howard the Duck (talk) 19:31, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

Okay with Items 1 and 2. For Item 3, probably not since precedent isn't there. Okay with Item 4. --Lenticel (talk) 05:47, 18 October 2023 (UTC)
Just to be sure:
  1. Okay with creating a category for senators elected at-large
  2. Okay with Ronaldo Zamora being both as Category:Members of the House of Representatives of the Philippines from Mandaluyong and Category:Members of the House of Representatives of the Philippines from San Juan.
  3. Not okay with categorizing congressmen per legislative term.
  4. Okay Creating separate Members of <legislature> from <place>.
Howard the Duck (talk) 19:40, 19 October 2023 (UTC)
Yup. Sounds about right. Lenticel (talk) 00:24, 20 October 2023 (UTC)
Thanks. We need other people stating their thoughts on this as categorization is a drawn out process, and renaming/recategorization is a chore. Howard the Duck (talk) 05:59, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

Articles about historical Philippines countries, flags therein, WP:V and WP:EW

I've been noticing a lot of edit-warring over flags in articles about historical revolutionary organizations in post-1896 Philippine history represented in their WP articles as sovereign countries (one example here). Besides wondering about WP:V in relation to this, I wonder whether it is appropriate for this project to adopt some standards relating to this.

In looking at the template docs, I noticed that the template docs describe some France-specific parameters. If there is a need (I don't think there is), perhaps representatives of this project should add a Usage re the Philippines clarification the template docs.

Note: without thinking about it much, I have changed {{infobox country}} to {{infobox former country}} in the exampled article.

Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 16:02, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

Can you give an example? Usually, the only "countries" pre-First Philippine Republic are its direct predecessors, with the Aguinaldo dictatorial government being the last one. Now, you can argue the Katipunan was the government, but where do you draw the line? Tejeros Convention? How about the The Republic of Kakarong de Sili? Howard the Duck (talk) 21:29, 30 October 2023 (UTC)
Not offhand -- it's something I've noticed in looking at articles showing activity on my watchlist; I think I've seen some back&forth changes in flags in infoboxes but I don't think those changes are identifiable in article histories except by version-by-version review. I'll keep this in mind and may raise it again here; it may be a false impression on my part but perhaps this mention will get more eyes out for it. Thanks for the response. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 00:23, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

Hinugot sa Langit screenshot

Hi, a question for those who are familiar with the 80's stars. Is the actress on the left Charito Solis? I'm familiar with Maricel Soriano since she's recognizable even with a more youthful face. Lenticel (talk) 05:48, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

Yes, that is Charito Solis. Loibird90 (talk) 11:52, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
Thanks! --Lenticel (talk) 12:19, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

Requesting feedback on article draft "Traffic law in the Philippines"

I am currently writing a draft for an article entitled "Traffic law in the Philippines" which can be found on my sandbox. The article is somewhat patterned after the Traffic law in the United States and Road Traffic Safety Law of the People's Republic of China articles and mainly intends to be an encompassing article on important aspects of land transportation and traffic laws in the Philippines.

So far I intend to add the following content:

Let me know if Tambayan has any suggestions on the scope and content of the article. Thank you! Ganmatthew (talk • contribs) 15:18, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

A link to Number coding in Metro Manila would also be nice. Would have done it myself but I'm just not sure where's the best place to put it in that draft. --- Tito Pao (talk) 05:22, 3 November 2023 (UTC)
Alright, I've added a section for number coding as somewhat of an excerpt for that article. I also expanded all the other sections further so I'm feeling ready to move it to article space. Ganmatthew (talk • contribs) 12:11, 3 November 2023 (UTC)
I've moved the article to mainspace at Traffic law in the Philippines. Ganmatthew (talk • contribs) 14:10, 12 November 2023 (UTC)

Discussion at Malolos Cathedral

 You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Malolos Cathedral, which is within the scope of this WikiProject. The article has recently been WP:TNT'd due to potential copypaste and poor citation. Editors with knowledge of Tagalog are requested to help with sourcing. Thank you! Sawyer-mcdonell (talk) 21:31, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

99.9% of WP:RS about topics from the Philippines are in English. You won't find good enough Tagalog language sources that will pass WP:RS.
I suppose we should add this somewhere as foreigners insist on finding "local language" sources when us Filipinos that's much harder thing to do. Howard the Duck (talk) 07:45, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
Perhaps we should make a list similar to WP:KO/RS and place a note somewhere on that page. HueMan1 (talk) 22:13, 12 November 2023 (UTC)

Media Requests consolidation

I previously raised this concern on the our discussion page. I'm interested in streamlining the organization of media requests. As a photographer, I'm keen to contribute images to articles lacking images. However, identifying such articles can be overwhelming. While categories like Category:Wikipedia requested photographs in the Philippines and Category:Wikipedia requested maps in the Philippines exist, they might not be easily navigable or discoverable for newcomers.

Even within Tambayan Philippines, our dedicated media request page features different requests. I propose exploring a more centralized approach to facilitate the discovery of articles in need of media content. This could benefit and attract more contributors interested in improving Wikipedia's visual content. JETH888 (message) 06:54, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

User:Amylamentillo

This user seems to be in a conflict of interest. Please refer to Talk:Night Owl: Nationbuilder's Manual#COI tag (November 2023) for more details. Thanks. HueMan1 (talk) 23:24, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

Unified page for Metrolink bus company

I would like to see a unified Metrolink page. Despite the various sub-operators like NAIA, Malanday, Baclaran, Alabang, and Taguig, they are still controlled by one main company, and all wear a highlighter-green/yellow livery. PowerCarsAreJustLocomotives (talk) 02:23, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

Tagalog and Bikol translations of 2023 Movement Charter drafts

The translated 2023 Movement Charter drafts are found here. 

  Buszmail (talk) 05:33, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

List of earthquakes in the Philippines

I'm still really short of time, and the last few weeks have been busy, but this article really needs some updating with the latest. The last new entry was Feb 23 of this year, and we've obviously had a half dozen or more just in the last month. Dennis Brown - 2¢ 13:13, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

Hierarchy of summary style

Today I made some edits to the Philippines article, in the 1898 area of the Spanish and American colonial rule (1565–1946) section. After that, I took a look at the History of the Philippines article around the start of the Spanish and American colonial rule (1565–1946) section and at the History of the Philippines (1898–1946) article around the start of the Philippine–American War (1899–1902) section. It stuck me that the summary-style transitions there are less than perfectly smooth and that the edits I had just done, though I think they were sensible in the context where I made them, didn't improve that. This is something that has been mothering me for quite a long time; it no doubt has a lot do do with the ad-hoc way WP articles are put together. I don't have the time or energy to take on improving that situation, and that would be more than a one-man job in any case. I don't have a vision for improving things in that regard, but thought I would mention this here in case others are interested. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 05:52, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

(added) The substance of the edits I mentioned above that I added to the Philippines article probably ought to be in the Philippine–American War article, and I see that it is not mentioned there at all (should have read it more slowly. Actually, I probably added that at some point.). As I have time, I'll probably add it there and then start working backwards from there up the hierarchy of articles I mentioned above, working to pull relevant content downwards in Summary style. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 23:57, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

(added) I've begun work on this; see this edit. More eyes on this would be a good idea. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 02:48, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

(added) I have not been able to get beyond that. I'm not really sure of the path to take from this point and I don't have the time available to devote to trying to figure that out. I've abandoned the effort. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 01:50, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

Official name in LGU settlements

I notice a lot in LGU articles that the "City/Municipality of X" is a common feature in LGU infoboxes. However as per the Template:Infobox settlement usage guidelines, the "official_name" field says "Avoid using official_name if it leads to redundancy with name and settlement_type."

Under this guideline:

  • Manila would not have "City of Manila" again under the City field in the blue bar. (which I applied).
  • "City of X", "Municipality of X", etc would most of the time redundant.
  • Not sure if there is a situation that official_name would still be appropriate except for cities with adjectives (ie. Islamic City of Marawi)

Should we go ahead and remove all of the "Municipality/City of X"s. Should we still mention it in the lead if yes. (Manila, officially the City of Manila)

An international example would be "New York City" which is mentioned as "City of New York" on its official website (on official documents as well I presume) but City of New York is nowhere to be found on the New York City article.Hariboneagle927 (talk) 12:43, 2 December 2023 (UTC)

Agree, also on the use of adjectives, so we'd only be keeping the likes of "Island Garden City of Samal." Howard the Duck (talk) 00:10, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
Agree. Only a handful of cities would merit having this parameter filled in, like Science City of Muñoz and Island Garden City of Samal. —seav (talk) 11:50, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

Philippine Reliable Sources Proposal

A proposal that shall form the nucleus of a Philippine-specific reliable sources list is online and can be viewed in my sandbox. @HueMan1 and other interested contributors, you may want to check it out and provide relevant feedback in this thread. -Ian Lopez @ 17:30, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

Excellent work! Although I'm leaning towards emulating Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games/Sources more, this is a good start. I would also suggest using sentence case in section headers since that is the standard. HueMan1 (talk) 23:17, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
I've added some university student publications and some regional media outlets to your proposal. Ganmatthew (talk • contribs) 04:41, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
I am a bit unclear as to what this page is for, exactly. There isn't an explanation on the page. Does it eventually seek to be a whitelist, and if so, what happens to pages that aren't in it, or aren't in it yet? And who decides what goes in and what does not? I fear that this will make the creation of new pages difficult, with sources rejected outright by overzealous new page patrollers who will inevitably argue that source credibility is questionable if the source is "not on the list." I note, for example, that bulatlat.com and verafiles are not on the list yet. Neither are, as far as I can tell, any NGO pages such as the Center for Media Freedom and Responsibility, Bantayog ng mga Bayani, or Action for Economic Reforms, or Ibon Foundation. I fear a list with lots of inclusions, because inevitably it creates potential for a lot of exclusions. But perhaps this can be clarified by the proponent? Thanks. - Chieharumachi (talk) 14:52, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
Its overall goal is to collate and classify sources often used in articles linked to the Philippines and Filipinos similar to what other WikiProjects have done. I wouldn't call it a whiltelist but more of a recommendatory guide. As for Philippine- and Filipino-focused media outlets that aren't on that list, it would fall under "No consensus" (not yet classified as reliable or unreliable by the community) and I would add that clarification for certain new page patrollers who'd object to the inclusion of URLs coming from yet-to-be classified media entities. For Bulatlat, I would objectively classify it as an online-only national media outlet while Vera Files and some entities like the CMFR will be classified under niche outlets covering the media. Even though the initial scope of the proposal is mostly limited to publications based in the Philippines and/or have a focus on the country and its people, it does not limit the collation and classification of NGOs, advocacy groups, think tanks, pollsters and other websites in the said list though under different categories; I've also made some changes to the proposal in response to the points raised. -Ian Lopez @ 09:05, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
Other notable student publications that IMHO should be included:
  • The Philippine Collegian (UP Diliman)
  • The Varsitarian (UST)
  • The Guidon (ADMU)
--- Tito Pao (talk) 07:16, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
It appears that they were included under the "student publications" section on November 19. Speaking of student publications, I'll be adding more of them along with other media outlets in the coming days and weeks and hopefully move the content to a dedicated page (tentatively as Wikipedia:Tambayan Philippines/Sources) by early January 2024. -Ian Lopez @ 15:50, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
Finally, we need something like this. I'm too tired of having to respond to AfDs that look for Western/non-Filipino sources to justify a deletion.
By the way, I was thinking of something like this with regard to awards. I'll probably make one on my sandbox soon. It's time to put the small-time awards in their proper place (lol). I'll ping you about this soon. --- Tito Pao (talk) 10:38, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

Added Philippine Hokkien / Lahnang-oe Babel userboxes

Hi, as a second-generation Chinoy myself with some ability to communicate in Lahnang-oe, I've created Babel userboxes for Philippine Hokkien / Lahnang-oe. I hope this might be of interest to any Filipino-Chinese members of our community or those who are able to communicate with it!

The templates are available at the Userboxes list and the Babel list.

I did the translations with a friend while also using some dictionaries and papers I found, so hopefully I got the translations right. If there's any better choice of wording, just feel free and update them as needed!

Sources used:

Ganmatthew (talk • contribs) 14:34, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

Philippines section of Christmas music

Anyone may want to help add sources and info for the Philippines section of the Christmas music article, which I added a week ago. I don't have the energy to find sources and I'm hardly active here, but I have added skeletal info nonetheless as the article in its current state was largely dominated by Western music. TagaSanPedroAko (talk) 04:28, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

I can try. However, I'll be busy this weekend, so expect the sources if not by the 23rd, then definitely after Christmas. D-Flo27 (talk) 16:21, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

Help needed for Cedrick Juan and Ronwaldo Martin

Hello! I created the new articles for Cedrick Juan (MMFF Best Actor for Gomburza) and Ronwaldo Martin (Coco's yougner brother and an award-winning actor in his own right) which are both stubs. But there's so much I can do on my own. Would appreciate some help adding more info and references to these two articles. Thanks in advance :) --- Tito Pao (talk) 15:43, 28 December 2023 (UTC)

Need a co-editor fluent in Filipino

I am attempting to port the article Gaddang people to the tl.Wikipedia (Tagalog-language version). I am not strong speaker of the national version (Filipino), as I am likely to use Gaddang or Ilokano (or even Bahasa Indonesia) vocabulary. There are also issues to be resolved with links to articles in the much-smaller Tagalog site; as well as some features which are different. I have brought in a couple of Tagalog speakers who have experience editing and writing for print media, but could use an introduction to somebody who has both the language and Wikipedia experience. Ethnic laundry (talk) 16:02, 29 December 2023 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Dom Justo Takayama#Requested move 5 January 2024

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Dom Justo Takayama#Requested move 5 January 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 21:39, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:List of Heart of Asia Channel original programming#Requested move 8 January 2024

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:List of Heart of Asia Channel original programming#Requested move 8 January 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 20:39, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Felip (singer)#Requested move 11 January 2024

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Felip (singer)#Requested move 11 January 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 21:10, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Vilma Santos-Recto#Requested move 14 January 2024

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Vilma Santos-Recto#Requested move 14 January 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 16:26, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

I have reverted the previous move on procedural grounds. Can somebody close this discussion? Howard the Duck (talk) 15:59, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

Mention at Tahanang Pinakamasaya

There are at least two sources that I assume reliable for a passage regarding the controversial first logo of Tahanang Pinakamasaya to be included in the article: from Bandera Inquirer and from Abante. Unfortunately, there is no coverage by media on what I considered as "silent" logo change to alleviate the controversy surrounding it. JWilz12345 (Talk|Contrib's.) 02:28, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

Disasters

Is there a minimum number of deaths necessary for a non-article disaster to be included? I added a landslide in 2024 in the Philippines that left 11 people dead. Personally, I usually consider an incident with at least 10 dead as notable. Borgenland (talk) 02:20, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

@Borgenland: When reviewing, we usually use the golden rule: Articles generally require significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the topic. This is the abridged version of the general notability guidelines. Philippine-related articles don't have a specific notability guideline, so the best guideline that applies here is the notability guideline for events. Usually, this means the event must have had a lasting impact and received widespread and lasting coverage. There's no minimum number of deaths for an event to be notable — we have articles on storms which killed no one and don't have articles on storms which killed a few. What matters is whether or not the event had a lasting impact or had widespread coverage. Chlod (say hi!) 03:08, 21 January 2024 (UTC)
Thanks! I’ll leave it then to other editors whether the event should be retained or not. Borgenland (talk) 03:10, 21 January 2024 (UTC)
@Borgenland: My bad, I completely misread and realized this was for a non-article entry. Yes, it's notable enough for inclusion as long as it's sourced correctly. WP:SOURCELIST has the proper information. Sorry for the confusion. Chlod (say hi!) 03:19, 21 January 2024 (UTC)
Two rock solid sources are best, and it is always best if one of the sources is NOT local to the event, demonstrating the event has a long lasting reach beyond the province in which it took place. Not required, but if you have one local and one from another country, you are pretty much guaranteed the listing will last in the article as you have clearly proven it was noticed beyond the local borders. Dennis Brown 2¢ 10:49, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:ABS-CBN News Channel#Requested move 30 January 2024

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:ABS-CBN News Channel#Requested move 30 January 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 15:13, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:2024 Philippine political crisis#Requested move 30 January 2024

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:2024 Philippine political crisis#Requested move 30 January 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. HueMan1 (talk) 00:06, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

Archiving news articles of CNN Philippines

Hi, in light of the recent news that CNN Philippines is closing down due to serious financial losses, should we anticipate that the CNN Philippines website could be shut down as well?

Perhaps until there is confirmation and in with the likelihood of it happening with the closure on Wednesday, January 31, we should make sure that all or most articles using CNN Philippines as a source have Wayback Machine archives linked to their citations. Ganmatthew (talk • contribs) 03:21, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

https://news.abs-cbn.com/business/01/29/24/cnn-philippines-announces-shutdown-amid-financial-woes
"It is with deep regret that the management of Nine Media Corporation (NMC) announces the discontinuation of its news and production operations on all media platforms, branded as CNN Philippines (CNNPH), effective 31 January 2024," it said.
The website might shut down on Wednesday :-/ All platforms daw.
Start archiving citations!
-Object404 (talk) 07:47, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

Using the search box, we can try to get an estimate of how many articles/references are affected. As of writing, there are:

  • 2,280 results for cnnphilippines.com, where 2,099 results do not have archive links.
  • 113 results for cnn.ph, where 97 results do not have archive links.

Does anyone know if there might be a tool to archive citation links based on a specific source or keyword? Ganmatthew (talk • contribs) 10:09, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

A bot can handle automatically placing archive links on citations. Requests for this is done at WP:URLREQ. Checking all links to cnnphilippines.com with the Internet Archive, there's around 80 links that still haven't been archived. Not sure if the bot can trigger archives on its own, but I can run those pages through Internet Archive tonight (in a few hours) for archiving if required. Chlod (say hi!) 10:27, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
Please do, if you can do it! Thank you! -Object404 (talk) 15:17, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
Following an email, I've been informed by the Archive Team that a crawl and archive was made a few days ago on the 27th, which should cover most of their articles. Status on the job can be found here, and the data is already on the Internet Archive for viewing.
It seems there's gaps though, which is expected. I'm in the process of archiving an additional 96 pages that are linked to on Wikipedia. Full list of the URLs being archived can be found here. It should be done in about 25 minutes. With both of these, we should be able to add archive links to all CNN Philippines links on the wiki. Chlod (say hi!) 17:36, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
Looks like most of these have actually already been archived a long time ago. Odd that they showed up as having no archives. Good for us, though! Chlod (say hi!) 17:42, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
And just like that, CNN Philippines is gone :-( -Object404 (talk) 16:43, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
Terrible day for journalism; they were one of my favorite sources when writing. I've made a request at WP:URLREQ to mark the domain as dead so a bot can started adding archive links. So long, CNN PH. Chlod (say hi!) 17:21, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

Caretaker congresspeople

Where can I find a guide for defining congressional representatives? I have noticed that officeholders in congressional districts are sometimes marked vacant even if there are caretaker reps appointed to those districts. Likewise same with infoboxes of former reps. Borgenland (talk) 06:50, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

Congressional vacancies should be treated as vacancies. Caretakers may be added in footnotes in congressional district articles, and by a brief mention in the prose of the vacating legislator, but should never be listed as a predecessor and successor in infoboxes, unless the caretaker wins an election.
There's a good Rappler reference on this in the Cavite special election article. Howard the Duck (talk) 22:49, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

Claim of being the first republic in Asia

Please see Talk:Timeline of the Philippine Revolution § Claim of being the first republic in asia. Please discuss there. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 00:16, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

Maco

Not to be a bearer of bad news, but I think we should start preparing notes for a possible article on the landslide. Appreciate also with help in expanding coverage on domestic mining companies. Borgenland (talk) 15:17, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

Ateneo

Ateneo de Manila was founded in 1859 but its history in the article only starts in 1969. I would like to make the expansion but I am unsure whether being an alumnus of said school counts as a COI, apart from making a few grammatical edits. Borgenland (talk) 15:55, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

  • It's a minor COI and won't preclude you from editing it, however, if others revert some of your edits for things like "puffery" or being promotional, I would strongly suggest you don't revert back in and use the talk page instead. Accept outside perspectives on these things, as it is sometimes difficult to be objective when we have an affinity for a topic. We all have COI with something or another, the key is how we manage it. Dennis Brown 2¢ 04:34, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

WikiProject Unreferenced Articles's February 2024 backlog drive

Hello, I know y'all are busy doing your thing here, but I would like to invite y'all to join this background drive. In this drive, you just have to add at least one inline citation of a reliable source to any article tagged as lacking sources.

As of this week, according to Bambot's WikiProject Cleanup Listings, there are 460 Tambayan Philippines articles that don't cite any sources. That's a lot! I've added some sources to some articles, but there's a lot of work to be done. So I'm hoping to see that number go down.

Also, you get a badge when you add a source to at least one article. So that's cool. If you want to register, just click the link above and go to the Participants section. Thanks. D-Flo27 (talk) 05:31, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

New barnstars/ badges are always nice. --Lenticel (talk) 01:07, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

Missing Filipino singers and music groups, Philippine music sub-project

basically semi-retired here in WP, I'm thinking about the many missing articles about Filipino singers and music groups (esp. 80s and 90s). I'm also looking if we can form a dedicated subproject (aka task force) of Tambayan for Filipino music. Looking into having more articles about other popular Filipino singers and musical groups we are currently missing. TagaSanPedroAko (talk) 07:44, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

Some few singers and bands we are missing out, by decade:
(please help with adding other candidate)
Hope someone can create articles for those sometime
Also hoping to have a task force for anything music-related, but then, I'll leave that to those interested in Filipino music and musicians. TagaSanPedroAko (talk) 23:21, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
@Titopao, @Sanglahi86 maybe you can help with missing Filipino singer and band articles and setting up Pinoy music task force? I'm puzzled and disappointed with the lack of articles for those. TagaSanPedroAko (talk) 02:58, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
Already listed the missing artist and band articles to WP:Tambayan Philippines/Requests. TagaSanPedroAko (talk) 03:14, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
Any others editing PH music article? TagaSanPedroAko (talk) 07:32, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
Just created skeletal page for PH music task force at WP:Tambayan Philippines/Task force Philippine Music. TagaSanPedroAko (talk) 08:03, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
Will have a look at this from time to time :) Just wanted to now, we will definitely need a disambig between Mark Carpio (the pop singer) and Mark Anthony Carpio (the conductor of the Philippine Madrigal Singers). (Full disclaimer: I created the latter, and at the time I created it Mark Carpio the pop singer wasn't known yet.) --- Tito Pao (talk) 11:13, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
@Titopao I think missing articles about 70s, 80s and 90s pop artists and bands may be priorized. I'm not gen X, batang 80s/90s (maybe you are), but it's bad we don't have articles about them yet. Continuing to add further artists and bands we're missing.
Just to give an idea of why they deserve entries, here's a short list (with their most known songs):
TagaSanPedroAko (talk) 19:49, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
Amazing, why we still don't have articles for such? i'm baffled. TagaSanPedroAko (talk) 19:50, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
Just looked at some of the pages, the others seems to have been deleted for a number of reasons (lack of sources, notability issues, very short stub articles, etc.), but I think we just need better research for those (maybe find reliable sources for older artists and bands). Sometimes the deletions smells of bias for me. For the recent ones, source is easy to find, but need ones that demonstrate notability. Hope the music task force can find reliable sources esp. for older artists and works. TagaSanPedroAko (talk) 20:14, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

Sorry if I sound like rambling, but the lack of articles for a few notable Filipino musical acts (whether they rose to prominence before or since the Internet) acts sounds like we have an under-representation problem here. Coverage of acts from the Internet age is fine by me (except some gaps I mentioned, either uncreated or deleted), but pre-Internet ones are badly represented. Also it's reflective of a gap we have for coverage for music in the Global South. There are lots of articles for music and musicians from the West than of ours. We might had a lot more articles for acts we consider notable in PH in the past, but we saw a lot of them getting deleted or redirected. Maybe those deleted or redirected articles lack sources, have their notability questioned due to the lack of reliable sources (esp. true with acts from before the Internet age), or are hardly salvageable, but we should have the vigor to rewrite them better, with reliably-sourced information and encyclopedic tone.

I think we should have an initiative to improve our coverage in regard to PH music (particularly musicians). The beginning of a music task force is a good start, but there's a long way to go. This is not only with the creation of missing articles and recreation of previously ones with reliably-sourced content, we should also deal with stub expansion, adding sources and improving tone. You can thank me for setting up a task force for our music coverage, but I'll leave the work to the rest of you who are interested in the topic. I'll be still watching, more as a reader than an editor here. TagaSanPedroAko (talk) 16:25, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

Electoral process in the Philippines

I recently discovered a page titled Electoral process in the Philippines and saw that it needs improving. However,I am not sure if there is truly a need for it. May I ask for recommendations as to the next course of action? Regards, MistahPeemayer (talk) 16:29, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

It should have been merged to Elections in the Philippines long ago. Trying to find where the merge proposal template is right now. Borgenland (talk) 16:47, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
Formally opened a merger discussion. Borgenland (talk) 06:43, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
Voted. Thank you. - MistahPeemayer (talk) 12:38, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
  • I just went BOLD and redirected it there. You can merge anything from the history. The article was completely unsourced, so there shouldn't be any controversy with redirecting it. Being a foreigner living in PH, I will probably avoid actually editing the article, as I avoid anything political as it relates to PH ;) Dennis Brown 2¢ 13:31, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
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