Talk:Cathedral-Basilica of Our Lady of the Pillar

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A picture of the pillar would be great. --euyyn 19:14, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

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Major rewrite

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The early "history" might better be reported as legend. --Wetman 12:20, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

The early period

I agree with Wetman - The difference between legend and documented history needs to be much clearer in this text. I tried to edit it, and I quoted Wikipedia's page on the Early Christian Church https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Roman_Catholicism_in_Spain#Beginnings to back up my speculation that in reality it is unlikely there was much of a church at the site of the Pillar until the late Roman period, after the edict of Milan. I also quoted the official website of the Church of the Pillar as additional support http://www.basilicadelpilar.es/templo.htm . However my edit was erased (redacted) by Wikipedia (bgwhite) in August 2015, I think due to lack of documented evidence. I find this a little ironic as I was trying to separate the two - documented and legend (undocumented), and while my source for the early church only quote web sources to back it up, there is no other documentation mentioned in this text to support a church being there at any time before Alfonso the Batallador in 1118, when the Romanesque church was built, other than the legendary stories. That of course is part of the charm and story of this church, and should appear on the page, but it is clearly not part of the documented history of it. I think this line :{{Numerous churches have been built upon this site through the years. The tiny chapel built by Saint James later gave way to a basilicalike enclosure during Constantine I's time | This article (Wikipedia), under heading "Romanesque Church"}} especially misleading, as there is no evidence supplied to support this. Since my edit was removed I will leave this page alone, but can someone find out when the first real documented evidence of the existence of this church was, and include that? Kengele (talk) 11:00, 12 August 2015 (UTC)

I have found a reference to the early church on-line quoting {{The Early Church: Origins to the Dawn of the Middle Ages|by E.G. Hinson | https://books.google.es/books?id=v0Ncja547i8C&pg=PT59&lpg=PT59&dq=early+church+in+spain&source=bl&ots=kUvRZ2iB6c&sig=D26VtO8YiLmVFtHEhNc647mjMm4&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CEoQ6AEwCGoVChMIuPLOrI-nxwIVjHAaCh0XHQCP#v=onepage&q=early%20church%20in%20spain&f=false}} where he states that Christianity was thriving in Spain by the time Constantine issued the edict of Milan in 313. Both Irenaeus (185) and Tertullian (ca 210) mentioned the existence of churches in Spain. By the mid-third century Cyprian's reply to a letter from Spanish bishops alluded to Christian communities in Leon, Astorga, Merida and Saragossa.Kengele (talk) 00:02, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

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