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Your submission at Articles for creation: P.K. Narayana Pillai (March 17)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed. Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by User4edits was:

The content of this submission includes material that does not meet Wikipedia's minimum standard for inline citations. Please cite your sources using footnotes. For instructions on how to do this, please see Referencing for beginners. Thank you.

The comment the reviewer left was:

Please cite proper sources, not indexes in WorldCat.

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Thanks, Please feel free to ping/mention -- User4edits (T) 09:14, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Divyan87! Having an article draft declined at Articles for Creation can be disappointing. If you are wondering why your article submission was declined, please post a question at the Articles for creation help desk. If you have any other questions about your editing experience, we'd love to help you at the Teahouse, a friendly space on Wikipedia where experienced editors lend a hand to help new editors like yourself! See you there! Thanks, Please feel free to ping/mention -- User4edits (T) 09:14, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there,

Thanks for your notes. I am writing to clarify the notability of this particular author. He is a renowned scholar of Sanskrit and Malayalam literature. The citations I mentioned are not his but scholars and other notable figures who have reviewed his work. Additionally, he has won a Sahitya Akademi Award--this is the national prize for arts and letters in India (which I have linked). This should meet the eight academic criteria. Can you please clarify why the article has not been accepted? I have removed the WorldCat references. I have also added a number of secondary sources that authenticate credibility.

Best,

Divya Nair, Ph.D.

University of Illinois Urbana Champaign Divyan87 (talk) 18:55, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Who is the author of these three citations:

Swami Tapsyananda, "Introduction." Dharmasāgarah: The Spiritual Sea: A Poem on Sri Ramakrishna Paramahamsa in Sanskrit with English Translation. P.K. Narayana Pilla. Trivandrum: St. Joseph's Press, 1990.
Pillai, P.K. Narayana (2022). Vishvabhānu [The Universal Light] (2nd ed.). Thiruvananthapuram: Sri Ramakrishna Ashrama. pp. 20–21.
Pillai, P.K. Narayana (2022). Vishvabhānu [The Universal Light] (2nd ed.). Thiruvananthapuram: Sri Ramakrishna Ashrama. p. 20.

To know more about notablitiy, please read the comments left by me on the draft. Regarding Sahitya Akademi award, you will have to provide reliable and independent sources for that.

Lastly,To answer Can you please clarify why the article has not been accepted? -- It has been not accepted for precisely the reason which is mentioned as a reason for not accepting. Hope this helps. Thanks, Please feel free to ping/mention -- User4edits (T) 03:45, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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March 2024

Hi can you clarify what and where the AfC comments? I sent you a message as well. Divyan87 (talk) 19:38, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The following part {{AFC submission|d|ilc|u=Divyan87|ns=118|decliner=User4edits|declinets=20240317091446|ts=20240317042610}}  {{AFC comment|1=Please [[WP:CITE|cite]] proper sources, not indexes in WorldCat. Thanks, <small> Please feel free to ping/mention </small> -- [[User:User4edits|User4edits]] ([[User talk:User4edits|T]]) 09:14, 17 March 2024 (UTC)}} Thanks, Please feel free to ping/mention -- User4edits (T)

Your submission at Articles for creation: P.K. Narayana Pillai (March 17)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed. Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reasons left by User4edits were:

This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject (see the guidelines on the notability of people). Before any resubmission, additional references meeting these criteria should be added (see technical help and learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue). If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.

This draft's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article. In summary, the draft needs to

meet any of the eight academic-specific criteria
or cite multiple reliable, secondary sources independent of the subject, which cover the subject in some depth

Make sure your draft meets one of the criteria above before resubmitting. Learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue. If the subject does not meet any of the criteria, it is not suitable for Wikipedia.

The comment the reviewer left was:

All sources are Self published or primary sources. Please see the message above, especially -- "published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject (see the guidelines on the notability of people)".

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.

If you would like to continue working on the submission, go to Draft:P.K. Narayana Pillai and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.
If you do not edit your draft in the next 6 months, it will be considered abandoned and may be deleted.
If you need any assistance, or have experienced any untoward behavior associated with this submission, you can ask for help at the Articles for creation help desk, on the reviewer's talk page or use Wikipedia's real-time chat help from experienced editors.

Thanks, Please feel free to ping/mention -- User4edits (T) 18:10, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Managing a conflict of interest

Hello, Divyan87. We welcome your contributions, but if you have an external relationship with the people, places or things you have written about on the page Draft:P.K. Narayana Pillai, you may have a conflict of interest (COI). Editors with a conflict of interest may be unduly influenced by their connection to the topic. See the conflict of interest guideline and FAQ for article subjects for more information. We ask that you:

avoid editing or creating articles about yourself, your family, friends, colleagues, company, organization, clients, or competitors;
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In addition, you are required by the Wikimedia Foundation's terms of use to disclose your employer, client, and affiliation with respect to any contribution which forms all or part of work for which you receive, or expect to receive, compensation. See Wikipedia:Paid-contribution disclosure.

Also, editing for the purpose of advertising, publicising, or promoting anyone or anything is not permitted. What is your connection with the individual, and how did you manage to get this this photo of his? Thanks, Please feel free to ping/mention -- User4edits (T) 03:46, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@User4editsThis is my grandfather. I do not work on literature in Sanskrit but in English and in English translation (I am also a scholar). The primary interest is to ensure that scholars working Malayalam and Sanskrit literature have access to knowledge about his contribution. This is the literary field so this entry is for purely educational purposes not profit. I work on English literature and Indian literature in translation. I am not being paid by any organization for this activity. The photo is from family archives. I see here that “These secondary interests are not treated as wrong in and of themselves, but become objectionable when they are believed to have greater weight than the primary interests. Conflict of interest rules in the public sphere mainly focus on financial relationships since they are relatively more objective, fungible, and quantifiable, and usually involve the political, legal, and medical fields. I acquired the photo from family archives. I have noticed that there is no Wikipedia entry about him even though his books were reprinted recently.” Thanks— Divyan87 (talk) 04:06, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@User4edits

also as I mentioned, the poem Vishvabhanu won the Sahitya Akademi award in 1982 (this is linked on the entry; you can scroll down the list and you should see the name linked; however, when you click on his name there it takes you to a different P.K. Narayana Pillai; as such, this page is needed for disambiguation. The Sahitya Akademi is an independent award granted by a panel of judges and considered the highest literary honors in India, just for context Divyan87 (talk) 04:18, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, Here is what you need to do:

disclose a COI
Bring reliable, independent, and secondary sources which show that this individual has received the said award.
In the draft, cut/remove the parts about his life which are not notable (and can not be cited independently)
Let me know once these are done.

I hope you will understand the importance of citing strong and credible sources (as said above) as a PhD.

Edit: Also, make sure you maintain a WP:NPOV.Thanks, Please feel free to ping/mention -- User4edits (T) 04:33, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@User4editsI thank you for your due diligence and hope you understand where I am coming from re: the necessity to disambiguate the false link to the other P.K. Narayana Pillai who did *not* produce the work attributed to him, for the sake of accuracy and preventing misinformation. All of the information that is included here is from secondary sources cited in the entry. I did not want to keep citing the same sources. As I noted, there is a Wikipedia entry on the Sahitya Akademi award directly linked which states that he received the award but as I mentioned in my previous message to you, that entry is linked to the wrong P.K. Narayana Pillai. This page would allow me to rectify that error. I understand you need external verification to authenticate that change as well. So, I will cite the secondary source (4 critical biographical introductions by different scholars) where it says he received said award as well for your reference. I will let you know when this is done! Divyan87 (talk) 04:48, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please specify which parts are not neutral. This can be culturally specific and thus can vary. Divyan87 (talk) 04:57, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I am also from India. WP:NPOV in English is largely free of culture specific. You can use your best judgement to only put what is verifiable in RS sources. Thanks, Please feel free to ping/mention -- User4edits (T) 07:19, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hm, I'm not sure about that as from a rhetorical standpoint different cultures view writing in different ways. I am not sure which parts are neutral, so please specify so that there is less miscommunication, regardless of where you are from. Thanks. 153.33.48.98 (talk) 12:35, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It is simple. Use WP:NPOV language. You may also read this -- Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Words to watch.

Also, consider Logging in to you account while editing. Thanks, Please feel free to ping/mention -- User4edits (T) 13:46, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You need to indicate which parts are not written in NPOV. As far as I am seeing it is neutral and stating the facts. As an editor, remember to be specific. Divyan87 (talk) 14:04, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Since you have a COI, that is why I have advised you to

maintain a NPOV, in general
mention only what is verifiable.

Please go through this Help:Your first article to learn more in general. I see that you have not disclosed your COI yet. Please do it on your page and on the Draft talk page. Thanks, Please feel free to ping/mention -- User4edits (T) 14:12, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Divyan87 (talk) 14:18, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]