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Appearance of attackers

Here is the source https://x.com/yarotrof/status/1771240938418958800?s=20 PalauanLibertarian^🗣️ 18:46, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It'll be better to wait for a more concrete source on this, but thank you. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 18:48, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

+1 queen of 🖤 (they/them; chat) 18:53, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not a reliable WP:SOURCE Dreameditsbrooklyn (talk) 18:55, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

better source, for a video of the attackers: https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-68642036?ns_mchannel=social&ns_source=twitter&ns_campaign=bbc_live&ns_linkname=65fdd41fb26acd1fbf32f7b7%26Watch%3A%20Gunmen%20walk%20through%20venue%2C%20gunfire%20heard%262024-03-22T18%3A56%3A01.043Z&ns_fee=0&pinned_post_locator=urn:asset:03f429c5-b465-41a0-8513-e8d929a21530&pinned_post_asset_id=65fdd41fb26acd1fbf32f7b7&pinned_post_type=share Staraction (talk | contribs) 18:58, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah the video shows pretty clearly they look like Jihadists of some kind PalauanLibertarian^🗣️ 19:00, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You got all that from a grainy video shot from three floors up? Please focus on reliable sources and don't use this space for speculation. Dreameditsbrooklyn (talk) 19:12, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No, there are like 20 different videos of the attack. This one is one of them that indicated Jihadists: https://files.catbox.moe/pe0wq7.mp4 PalauanLibertarian^🗣️ 19:25, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

files.catbox.moe is not a reliable source Dreameditsbrooklyn (talk) 19:39, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Its a file hosting platform. https://twitter.com/narrative_hole/status/1771238686933307733

Besides, its not an article or a statement, its a video. Albaniandemocraticnolist (talk) 19:48, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

twitter is also not a reliable source. whether it's a video or a statement is irrelevant to whether we include it in the article; only reliably-sourced information can be added. sawyer * he/they * talk 20:08, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Special forces entered

Special forces are apparently storming the Concert Hall. https://twitter.com/Megatron_ron/status/1771245378639171731 Albaniandemocraticnolist (talk) 18:56, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not RS Jebiguess (talk) 18:58, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

U.S Embassy Warning

It should absolutely be mentioned that the U.S Embassy warned of an attack, as despite the age of the warning, it is still relavant by occuring in short time afterwards. Don't see why any mention of this is being removed, even when it is made clear the warning was on March 7 with an original 48 hour warning. The embassies page posts terrorism warnings very rarely, meaning this holds significance on it's own. Including the information does not automatically force a conclusion. DstressATL (talk) 18:59, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's there Dreameditsbrooklyn (talk) 19:13, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I know, it's just being edit war added and removed constantly. Will remove topic once page stabilizes DstressATL (talk) 19:16, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The date of the embassy's warning should be given in the article and that it referred to "plans to target large gatherings in Moscow, to include concerts": https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-68642036 2A00:23C5:BA8A:BF01:8486:552C:1201:CA63 (talk) 19:30, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Should it not also be mentioned that the warning was only for the subsequent 48 hours, and that it is unknown whether or not it has any relation to this attack? BalotelliNanaimo (talk) 19:42, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The roof is beginning to collapse

The roof of the hall is beginning to collapse. https://en.trend.az/world/3877163.html Albaniandemocraticnolist (talk) 19:11, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

added with https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2024/mar/22/moscow-concert-attack-crocus-city-hall-shooting-russia-live-updates?CMP=share_btn_url&page=with%3Ablock-65fdd7a08f08214a64619ba7#block-65fdd7a08f08214a64619ba7 Staraction (talk | contribs) 19:19, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Move

@Dunutubble: I've reverted your move to Crocus City Hall attack for now. Per WP:NCWWW, in the absence of a common name, the title should say "when, where, what". Please start a requested move. Thanks, queen of 🖤 (they/them; chat) 19:14, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 22 March 2024

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Because I have a few important sources that are not classified in the wikipedia page Sagersister (talk) 19:55, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please read the template above and file a proper request. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 19:56, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

So...list them here then? If you want them to be added? Sadustu Tau (talk) 19:59, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. queen of 🖤 (they/them; chat) 20:05, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Norwegian Ministry of Foreign Affairs warning

Considering the UK embassy and US warning being added, I think adding the Norwegian MFA would also be fair. Source: https://www.nrk.no/urix/meldinger-om-skyting-i-konserthus-i-moskva-1.16818242

This source is in Norwegian, but the important parts I've tried to translate: "Norwegian citizens are encouraged to avoid mass gatherings, stay aware and follow advice from local authorities, the MFA wrote on their websites.", "It's not known if tonight's shooting has anything to do with these warnings.", "In the beginning of March the USA and Sweden went out and warned their citizens of possible terrorist attacks in Russia the next 48 hours." ItGoesItGoes (talk) 20:00, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Norway was among a bunch of countries that issued similar warnings following the U.K. and U.S., so unless they said something new or different I think it's fine to just say "other countries issued similar warnings." Dreameditsbrooklyn (talk) 20:09, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That's fair if multiple countries came out with the exact same warning ItGoesItGoes (talk) 20:19, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by Dmitry Medvedev

Should we include Dmitry Medvedev's post on Telegram, it reads as follows: "To the families of those killed in the terrorist attack - sincere condolences, sincere strength to all the loved ones of the victims.

Terrorists understand only retaliatory terror. No trials or investigations will help if force is not countered by force, and deaths by total executions of terrorists and repressions against their families. World experience.

If it is established that these are terrorists of the Kyiv regime, it is impossible to deal with them and their ideological inspirers differently. All of them must be found and mercilessly destroyed as terrorists. Including officials of the state that committed such atrocity.

Death for death." Also this: https://www.barrons.com/news/russia-will-destroy-kyiv-officials-if-linked-to-moscow-attack-medvedev-78300d91 Albaniandemocraticnolist (talk) 20:12, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think so, it's mere posturing and sabre rattling in my mind. I'm fairly certain there's policy on this somewhere but I'm not remembering it. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 20:14, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

We should exclude, he regularly makes inflammatory statements like this and more senior Russian officials have commented and will likely comment soon. PaulRKil (talk) 20:19, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]