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Referencing

This article needs it badly. --123.243.160.204 (talk) 10:21, 4 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]



roman chairs

Chairs

there was probably two types of chairs used in lullingstone. One had a rounded back which was made out of basket work. We found carvings on tombstones which show this sort of chair was normally occupied by a women. The other type of chair had a straight back but was made out of wood.


There's a contradiction between this article and the Chair of Saint Peter article. If there's not a reference we should probably remove it. Aharriso (talk) 05:37, 28 January 2012 (UTC)[reply] 



                                                          CHAIR'S ARE NOT APPROVED IN USA

Explosm

This page was used in an explosm comic. Just thought i'd pass that along http://www.explosm.net/comics/1128/ Kirby17 (talk) 17:23, 30 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Roman chairs

I quote from this article: "The characteristic Roman chairs were of marble".

How can a characteristic chair be made of marble? Surely, characteristic chairs were made of wood (some, although more rarely, were of metal). It is the totally uncharacteristic ceremonial chairs of officeholders or bulit-in chairs for officials found in the public venues that might have been made of marble. --B. Jankuloski (talk) 21:54, 6 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Most of this article, including the quote on Roman chairs of marble, is from the 1911 Encyclopedia Britannica. See: http://en.wikisource.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User:Tim_Starling/ScanSet_TIFF_demo&vol=05&page=EB5A837 Samw (talk) 17:04, 4 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
B. Jankuloski is perfectly correct. The type of chair for ordinary use most commonly depicted in Roman art is of basketwork. Others were of solid wood or metal.
Sadly, the 1911 EB text is a product of the limited knowledge of its day and contains a great many errors. I am a furniture historian and took the liberty of correcting the nonsense that "The majority of the chairs of all countries until the middle of the 17th century were of oak without upholstery" (they were made from many timbers; oak just survives better) but there are many other errors in the EB text and it would need a complete rewrite of the whole article to bring it anywhere near up to modern standards. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.78.151.147 (talk) 21:33, 16 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Off-wiki attack

There is an organized, off -wiki attack by white supremacists to vandalize this article with neonazi talking points. Please be advised. ExpertPrime (talk) 22:54, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

were there really no chairs in subsaharan africa before European settlers? that...that seems impossible... 2605:A601:5589:6E00:E9DE:AC66:B630:B6A9 (talk) 03:53, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
we wuz chairs 80.47.162.73 (talk) 02:08, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
So anyone who points out the bias editorial on Wikipedia is a White Supremacists now? What does that make you then, a Black Supremacist? 174.243.243.26 (talk) 10:31, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Blacks are nothing without whites. That's the biggest, unspoken, public secret worldwide. 62.163.131.174 (talk) 10:52, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Please provide a source for your claim that the lack of technological advancement in Africa is the result of white supremacy. 2600:6C5E:14F0:9BC0:1472:B13B:7AE8:83E8 (talk) 12:03, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Now some Wikipedia editors even are saying facts are racist because they are woke activists. We are an encyclopedia, not a wokepedia. Woke mind virus infected wikipedia so the facts about chairs and Sub-saharan Africa can't be said. So sad 79.54.131.192 (talk) 12:19, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It seems like they are very uncomfortable with the fact that chairs were invented by Africans. ... discospinster talk 16:38, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Here's a quote from the Wiki page to enrich your underdeveloped black supremacist prefrontal cortex "In Sub-Saharan Africa, chairs were not in use before introduction by Europeans." Yyg850c (talk) 21:55, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Chairs were invented in Ancient Egypt, by Africans. ... discospinster talk 22:34, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Please refer to the "Sub-Saharan Africa" phrase, and pay close attention to the region where Egypt is located on the continent. That should clear it up for you. 97.66.209.126 (talk) 22:45, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I didn't even say anything about Sub-Saharan Africa. ... discospinster talk 22:54, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
And that's precisely the problem. You responded to a comment that specified the Sub-Saharan African region, and then inserted your irrelevant comment regarding the region of Egypt, which is not Sub-Saharan. You're confusing two regions of the continent that have completely different histories, demographics, cultures, and geographies. Hence my attempt to help you clarify that. 97.66.209.126 (talk) 23:13, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The comment I responded to also did not mention Sub-Saharan Africa. ... discospinster talk 23:37, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Though not as uncomfortable as Africans were on their hard stools with no back. Thank God for the White man. 74.97.10.39 (talk) 22:37, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That's an entirely unsubstantiated and fictional claim. I haven't seen one single "talking point" related to National Socialists and the history of the chair. I'm lost how such a nonsensical, incorrect assertion was formulated? Was this statement from another conversation that was accidentally posted here? There's no need to pretend Africans invented chairs, or pretend that Europeans didn't introduce the modern concept of chair design (true chairs as opposed to rudimentary proto-chairs), nor to go full Chicken Little and pretend the imaginary bogeymen "neonazis" are attacking the page. This just makes Wikipedia look like it's being run by a bunch of ignorant, hyperbolic, unstable & hormonal teens. Let's do better. 97.66.209.126 (talk) 22:39, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No we don't need to pretend anything, we need to rely on sources, none of which in the article supports the claim that "In Sub-Saharan Africa, chairs were not in use before introduction by Europeans." ... discospinster talk 22:57, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Cited history of the chair

Tables, chairs, and modern-style furniture we know today was invented by the Egyptians in the BC era and eventually made its way to Europe via North African culture’s interactions with Rome: https://www.brooklynmuseum.org/opencollection/objects/3948

The modern-style furniture referenced above was introduced to sub-Saharan Africans by the Portuguese in the 15th century. Prior to this, for formal seating, Sub-Saharan Africans used tree stumps that were trimmed into “round blocks of wood” called “stools” that were then decorated with tribal ornaments: https://mukangoafrica.co.za/what-is-the-history-of-african-furniture/

Sub-Saharan Africans did not have the chair until Europeans introduced it to them. 2600:6C5E:14F0:9BC0:1472:B13B:7AE8:83E8 (talk) 12:13, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The source you have provided does not say that "Sub-Saharan Africans did not have the chair until Europeans introduced it to them". It says that certain design elements were brought by Europeans in the fifteenth century, such as the elbow chair and the sedan chair. ... discospinster talk 16:30, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The first Europeans to reach the East African coast were the Portuguese, and they already noted chairs were present in Malindi and constructed with local materials;

“In 1498, Vasco de Gama paid visits to Mombasa and Malindi, describing Malindi as a noble city where the king's palace was adorned with lavish carpets, and furnished with chairs plated with gold and ivory.” - Tales of French Corsairs and Revolution Book 1 By Serge Lionnet · (1999) page 233

--GoldenDragonHorn (talk) 21:11, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It would be worth noting that the original Malindi kingdom of African Bantu/Swahili origin was destroyed around 1,000 CE. The Malindi that de Gama arrived at was the establishment created in the 13th century CE by the Arab Kilwa Sultanate, and the architecture--and furniture, including the chairs--was of Arabic influence, which itself already had influence from European design by then. At that time, de Gama admired the Sultan's palace and furnishings, but noted the Bantu/Swahili people served as the labor force and coastal merchants/traders of the city. So the chairs noted by the Portuguese upon their arrival do not support a Sub-Saharn African chair origin or design, but rather Arabic. Refer to Esmond Martin's work on Malindi. 97.66.209.126 (talk) 23:56, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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