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The Da Vincis

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Not yet notable per WP:BAND. The only secondary coverage I can find of them in reliable sources is the Under The Radar album review already cited here, and this album review in the Jackson Free Press. They were the local warmup band for two notable bands in their home town in 2009, but on Wikipedia notability is not inherited. I can find no evidence of national rotation, or significant awards. Created by SPAs and speedy deleted three times 2008-10, but for some reason not the fourth SPA in 2010. Wikishovel (talk) 18:39, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Bands and musicians and Mississippi. Wikishovel (talk) 18:39, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per WP:GARAGEBAND and some obvious COI, combined with being unable to find any mention online. BrigadierG (talk) 18:44, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Agree with Wikishovel's points above re notability on a national scale, although band was clearly more than a WP GARAGEBAND. Not sure about COI w/out specificity. I have been doing research to update the page, but while the arc of the band progressed and a second CD/LP was released, part of page update was to note that the band is no longer active. I have not completed research, but high value citations thus far have been challenging. Part of what what was notable about the band was their age when they began. I looked at the wikipedia page for "List of Musicians from Mississippi" and wonder if there is some other way to categorize this band such that they are attached to Mississippi list? As example, I saw a band called Beanland on the list that seems to have a similar arc to that of The Da Vincis.

Updating the page has not been a priority, however, i wonder if there is any value to me attempting a page update over the next week (or not if I can't find better sources) and then revisit/re-discuss the deletion? I want to neither keep the page unnecessarily nor delete it unnecessarily. As a Wikipedia novice, I don't want to waste my time (or anyone else's) if deletion is a fait accompli. Gradock (talk) 20:09, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Gradock hey, great You came! Don't be discouraged! The AfD is not a court martial or anything like that, and if you read WP:ATD You'll see that more often than not articles listed here get shored up to the point where they are kept. Don't be discouraged. If you have good references and links that show the band is notable, by all means include them, provide them, show them! We are all open minds here and working on this neverending project to collect all human knowledge. It's good that you're here. Cheers, Ouro (blah blah) 21:02, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Seconding the above. You have my word that if you're able to uncover good quality sources such as in-depth magazine coverage I'm not aware of, I will change my vote. Contributing positive material to Wikipedia should always be welcomed, don't take my delete vote as a vote against the band or any authors of the page. BrigadierG (talk) 21:09, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thx @brigadierG @ouro @wikishovel. Any thoughts on the "List of Musicians from Mississippi" question. Or more specifically, is there some other place/category within wikipedia where those interested in the band might be better served? Gradock (talk) 19:05, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Probably not. If it's not relevant for an article, it's not allowed to be included in those lists. Please see WP:CSC, WP:GARAGEBAND, WP:NOTDIRECTORY BrigadierG (talk) 19:07, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Making an effort: I found this, the album See You Tonight is reviewed near the top. I know it's next to nothing but maybe a start. --Ouro (blah blah) 20:49, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Another one, this time from the Jackson Free Press. --Ouro (blah blah) 20:53, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Is it ok for me to simply revise the page - fairly major edits, then allow the deletion discussion to continue? Or do it in the sandbox or something? what is the easiest way for proposed edits to be digested by the group? Gradock (talk) 19:13, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@User:Gradock: just edit the article, then come back here to say that you've done it and let the discussion roll on. --Ouro (blah blah) 20:22, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

ok, gonna let'er rip. Gradock (talk) 20:30, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I can see current data that demonstrates both current global listenership, and historical listenership through soundcharts.com by signing up for their fremium subscription. However, greater historical detail requires a paid subscription. So the validation is there, but behind a login at minimum. Not a very friendly (if even acceptable) citiation. One problem in research is that band has been inactive since 2017 and was most active 2009-2012, so some of original citations have gone stale. Especially related to airplay and are not searchable in Wayback Machine. Gradock (talk) 20:29, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@brigadierG @ouro @wikishovel et al, i have done an extensive re-work and in the process got a depracated source flag. not sure which one that is but suspect #12/Last.fm perhaps becuase it is some sort of social media site. If so, I can replace with a better reference i think. still don't know if it meets (or now after research how indie bands ever meet) whatever the wikipedia notability bar is. That said, if as revised, it does not pass muster then delete it. Lastly, if this is deleted, is it archived somewhere in the event additional info could resurrect it? More notable than a garage band less notable than the Rolling Stones. Gradock (talk) 01:50, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]