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March 30

Category:History organizations based in Kazakhstan

Nominator's rationale: merge, redundant category layer with only one subcategory. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:51, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:18th-century Slovak physicians

Nominator's rationale: Triple upmerge for now. There are only two people in this category, while the parent (18th-century Slovak people) has 6. Right now this isn't helpful for navigation to diffuse by occupation and century and nationality. Mason (talk) 19:22, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Centuries in Almaty

Nominator's rationale: merge, redundant category layer with only one subcategory. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:30, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom Mason (talk) 19:23, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:French forts in the United States

Nominator's rationale: This seems anachronistic. These forts were not "in the United States" when they were built and only became so later on. User:Namiba 02:33, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Mason (talk) 19:28, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Slovenian geriatricians

Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. There's no need to diffuse this medical specialty by nationality to this degree. Each of these noms have one or two people in them Mason (talk) 22:50, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Additional categories were added to the nomination, relisting to allow time for discussion.
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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Due to suspected WP:MEAT.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, –LaundryPizza03 (d) 12:53, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Dallas Hilltoppers football seasons

Nominator's rationale: Category lacks subjects and does not aid navigation. Let'srun (talk) 02:05, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge for now with only two articles, but presumably dual merge also to Category:College football seasons. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:01, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • dual merge also to Category:College football seasons – Huh? Why the heck would we want to merge a mere two of 30,000+ college football season articles to create a brand-new category called "College football seasons" – that makes absolutely zero sense. BeanieFan11 (talk) 14:31, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      • It can be populated with many more articles when all subcategories with one or two articles are merged. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:33, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
        • That still makes no sense. If I wanted to find seasons of this team, I would look up "Dallas Hilltoppers football seasons", not a broad "College football seasons" category that has the potential for hundreds of thousands of entries! Not to mention such a category would be missing tens of thousands of articles for programs which have more than a few seasons with articles. It just doesn't make sense. BeanieFan11 (talk) 18:42, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Category:Children of Ottoman sultans

Nominator's rationale: Not all of the princes and princesses included in this list are children of the sultan, some are grandchildren. Векочел (talk) 14:24, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Category:Academics of the College of the Resurrection

Nominator's rationale: To match other staff categories in Category:Bible colleges, seminaries and theological colleges in England Gaia Octavia Agrippa Talk 14:14, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. But the parent category is Academics by university or college in England. Staff has a *very* different meaning. From looking at the contents, these people are academics. If anything, I think that other categories should be renamed to reflect that these folks are academic staff/faculty. Mason (talk) 20:29, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Category:Aphex Twin songs

Nominator's rationale: (Or maybe "Aphex Twin compositions".) Strictly speaking, songs contain singing. Aphex Twin tracks have no singing, or no singing in the traditional sense. For example, it is not really accurate to describe Avril 14, a piano instrumental, as a "song". Popcornfud (talk) 17:07, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Lean oppose. Don't other categories have non-singing songs in them? I don't think it's helpful for navigation to make the distinction between songs that contain vocal tracks and those that do not. Mason (talk) 20:26, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Just for clarity, I'm not proposing we create separate tracks for vocal and instrumental Aphex Twin tracks, just keeping a single category and renaming it. (There are very few, if any, Aphex Twins that could really be called "songs" in my view, and I also suspect the habit of calling non-vocal tracks "songs" tends to be an Americanism, but that's probably by the by.) Popcornfud (talk) 21:14, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Category:E7 nations

Nominator's rationale: Associated articles E7 (countries) deleted at AfD. –LaundryPizza03 (d) 12:01, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Political posters of Italy

Nominator's rationale: Contains only a single non-free file. –LaundryPizza03 (d) 11:57, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:46, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose As it is, it's a convenient way to tie it into both European posters and the politics of Italy. It's the politics of Italy that's the much stronger connection. Admittedly it's near-empty, because we generally avoid hosting media on WP, but it's also a good tie to Commons, where we have many more items. I don't see any advantage to this merge, other than a rather pointless nod to SMALLCAT. It also singles out Italy (or is the plan, as usual, to remove all countries here, one by one?) when the other countries have very few images in their similar categories. Andy Dingley (talk) 14:51, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Converts from Nontrinitarianism

Nominator's rationale: merge, redundant category layer with only one subcategory. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:00, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Early modern history by city

Nominator's rationale: delete, overlaps with Category:Centuries by city and Category:Decades by city. If kept, rename Category:Early modern history by city to Category:Early modern period by city per article Early modern period and parent Category:Early modern period. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:19, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:English people by ethnic or national origin

Nominator's rationale: A. rename per usage of "descent" in the subcategory names. B. purge Category:English Jews because the latter isn't about their ancestors but about what they are themselves (i.e. it is about ethnicity rather than about descent). This is part of a larger stale speedy nomination in which User:1234qwer1234qwer4, User:Anomalous+0 and User:Smasongarrison participated. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:46, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep the existing name. The wording suggests it's about something broader than descent; and indeed national origin may not be something to do with or the same as ethnicity or ethnic origin. 83.229.61.201 (talk) 15:41, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Male television actors by ethnic or national descent

Nominator's rationale: delete, redundant category layer with only one subcategory. Merging is not necessary, the subcategory is already part of Category:Belgian male television actors. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:31, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:2023 Marrakesh-Safi earthquake

Nominator's rationale: Per main article move. Article's name is now 2023 Al Haouz earthquake. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 12:30, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Rename or delete?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 01:34, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment If deleted, it'll leave the subcat as the only one without a main category. But I'm still for renaming. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 23:58, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. The only page in here is already in the relevant subcategories of Kosovan films and LGBT-related films Mason (talk) 01:24, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Arabian agnostics

Nominator's rationale: Category is too small for navigation, isn't a nationality, and is probably not a defining intersection Mason (talk) 01:16, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Lists of Roman Catholic bishops and archbishops in Bangladesh

Nominator's rationale: Dual upmerge. There's only one list in here, which isn't helpful for navigation Mason (talk) 00:04, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Administrations of prime ministers of the United Kingdom

Nominator's rationale: Redundant to Category:British premierships. Administrations of PM's is the same as the Premiership. Since it refers to the same thing, this category is a redundant layer of subcats. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 00:01, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]