Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 March 30
March 30
Category:History organizations based in Kazakhstan
- Nominator's rationale: merge, redundant category layer with only one subcategory. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:51, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
Category:18th-century Slovak physicians
- Nominator's rationale: Triple upmerge for now. There are only two people in this category, while the parent (18th-century Slovak people) has 6. Right now this isn't helpful for navigation to diffuse by occupation and century and nationality. Mason (talk) 19:22, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Perhaps purge Samuel Genersich who wasn't an ethnic Slovak. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:50, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
Category:Centuries in Almaty
- Propose merging Category:Centuries in Almaty to Category:History of Almaty
- Nominator's rationale: merge, redundant category layer with only one subcategory. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:30, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
- Support per nom Mason (talk) 19:23, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
Category:French forts in the United States
- Propose renaming Category:French forts in the United States to Category:French forts in New France
- Nominator's rationale: This seems anachronistic. These forts were not "in the United States" when they were built and only became so later on. User:Namiba 02:33, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
- Rename per nom, or perhaps simply Category:Forts in New France. Category:French forts in Canada may be nominated as well. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:54, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
- Comment if these forts still existed at the time Canada was established, then the category is correct. And there was also the colony of Canada, New France and colony of United Canadas, British North America -- 65.92.247.66 (talk) 05:03, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
- Comment if these forts still existed at the time that the USA took over the territory, then they are correct. Such as many forts acquired in the Louisiana Purchase. Or any ruins/museums that still exist today -- 65.92.247.66 (talk) 05:05, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
- After the United States took them over they were no longer "French forts" and, as American forts, the articles are already in e.g. Category:Colonial forts in Tennessee. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:11, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
- This is not only a proposed renaming but also an extension of scope; forts in New France that were not in provinces which became the United States will be covered as a result. 61.244.93.97 (talk) 09:48, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
- Which is perfectly fine. New France has never been divided in an American and a Canadian part. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:16, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkltalk 12:56, 30 March 2024 (UTC)- Comment: To the closer: the IPs are all are probably the same IP (see: Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Edit_warring#User:185.104.63.112_reported_by_User:Smasongarrison_(Result:_Blocked), and Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/185.104.63.112)
- Mason (talk) 19:28, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
Category:Slovenian geriatricians
- Propose merging Category:Slovenian geriatricians to Category:Slovenian physicians and Category:Geriatricians
- Propose merging Category:Russian geriatricians to Category:Russian physicians and Category:Geriatricians
- Propose merging Category:Polish geriatricians to Category:Polish physicians and Category:Geriatricians
- Propose merging Category:Pakistani geriatricians to Category:Pakistani medical doctors and Category:Geriatricians
- Propose merging Category:Norwegian geriatricians to Category:Norwegian physicians and Category:Geriatricians
- Propose merging Category:New Zealand geriatricians to Category:New Zealand medical doctors and Category:Geriatricians
- Propose merging Category:Filipino geriatricians to Category:Filipino medical doctors and Category:Geriatricians
- Propose merging Category:Dutch geriatricians to Category:Dutch physicians and Category:Geriatricians
- Propose splitting Category:Danish geriatricians to Category:Danish physicians and Category:Geriatricians
- Propose splitting Category:Puerto Rican geriatricians to Category:Puerto Rican physicians and Category:American geriatricians
- Propose merging Category:Cypriot geriatricians to Category:Cypriot physicians and Category:Geriatricians
- Propose merging Category:Brazilian geriatricians to Category:Brazilian physicians and Category:Geriatricians
- Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. There's no need to diffuse this medical specialty by nationality to this degree. Each of these noms have one or two people in them Mason (talk) 22:50, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: If this is to go ahead, then Category:Canadian geriatricians and Category:Irish geriatricians should be included.--Ipigott (talk) 06:26, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
- I've added the rest of the categories with two people in them. Mason (talk) 03:28, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging: Category:Australian geriatricians to Category:Australian medical doctors and Category:Geriatricians
- Propose merging: Category:Canadian geriatricians to Category:Canadian physicians and Category:Geriatricians
- Propose merging: Category:Irish geriatricians to Category:Irish medical doctors and Category:Geriatricians
- Mason (talk) 03:31, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
- I've added the rest of the categories with two people in them. Mason (talk) 03:28, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:31, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
- I think that the Canadian category is big enough with 6, but I'd be fine with adding Irish Mason (talk) 12:57, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
- I will support merging the Irish category too if it is going to be added to the nomination. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:36, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
- I think that the Canadian category is big enough with 6, but I'd be fine with adding Irish Mason (talk) 12:57, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Part of an established category tree. -- Necrothesp (talk) 16:13, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
- That is a circular argument. After the merge very little of the tree will be left. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:02, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Additional categories were added to the nomination, relisting to allow time for discussion.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkltalk 11:26, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
- Comment The entire categorisation scheme of Wikipedia consists of occupation by nationality categories, many with few members. The other issue I see is then having say British and American geriatricians in subcategories but having a large category of geriatricians not divided by nationality. I'm not sure that assists in navigation, either. AusLondonder (talk) 22:26, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per Necrothesp. 121.202.28.169 (talk) 11:36, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per Auslondoner. 203.186.171.150 (talk) 12:48, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
- Sigh... to the closer these are probably the same IP (Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Edit_warring#User:185.104.63.112_reported_by_User:Smasongarrison_(Result:_Blocked)) Mason (talk) 14:15, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Due to suspected WP:MEAT.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 12:53, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
Category:Dallas Hilltoppers football seasons
- Propose merging Category:Dallas Hilltoppers football seasons to Category:Dallas Hilltoppers football
- Nominator's rationale: Category lacks subjects and does not aid navigation. Let'srun (talk) 02:05, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
- Merge for now with only two articles, but presumably dual merge also to Category:College football seasons. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:01, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
dual merge also to Category:College football seasons
– Huh? Why the heck would we want to merge a mere two of 30,000+ college football season articles to create a brand-new category called "College football seasons" – that makes absolutely zero sense. BeanieFan11 (talk) 14:31, 22 March 2024 (UTC)- It can be populated with many more articles when all subcategories with one or two articles are merged. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:33, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
- That still makes no sense. If I wanted to find seasons of this team, I would look up "Dallas Hilltoppers football seasons", not a broad "College football seasons" category that has the potential for hundreds of thousands of entries! Not to mention such a category would be missing tens of thousands of articles for programs which have more than a few seasons with articles. It just doesn't make sense. BeanieFan11 (talk) 18:42, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
- It can be populated with many more articles when all subcategories with one or two articles are merged. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:33, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Category:Children of Ottoman sultans
- Propose renaming Category:Children of Ottoman sultans to Category:Ottoman royalty
- Nominator's rationale: Not all of the princes and princesses included in this list are children of the sultan, some are grandchildren. Векочел (talk) 14:24, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. It is also a redudant category layer with only two subcategories. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:21, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose The fact that you mentioned is good reason to keep the category, it should be used for specifically children of Sultans, illegitimate ones too.★Trekker (talk) 18:58, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
- No, per WP:OVERLAPCAT, it would largely overlap with the existing princes and princesses categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:09, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Category:Academics of the College of the Resurrection
- Nominator's rationale: To match other staff categories in Category:Bible colleges, seminaries and theological colleges in England Gaia Octavia Agrippa Talk 14:14, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
- Comment. But the parent category is Academics by university or college in England. Staff has a *very* different meaning. From looking at the contents, these people are academics. If anything, I think that other categories should be renamed to reflect that these folks are academic staff/faculty. Mason (talk) 20:29, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose per Mason. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:24, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Category:Aphex Twin songs
- Propose renaming Category:Aphex Twin songs to Category:Aphex Twin tracks
- Nominator's rationale: (Or maybe "Aphex Twin compositions".) Strictly speaking, songs contain singing. Aphex Twin tracks have no singing, or no singing in the traditional sense. For example, it is not really accurate to describe Avril 14, a piano instrumental, as a "song". Popcornfud (talk) 17:07, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
- Lean oppose. Don't other categories have non-singing songs in them? I don't think it's helpful for navigation to make the distinction between songs that contain vocal tracks and those that do not. Mason (talk) 20:26, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
- Just for clarity, I'm not proposing we create separate tracks for vocal and instrumental Aphex Twin tracks, just keeping a single category and renaming it. (There are very few, if any, Aphex Twins that could really be called "songs" in my view, and I also suspect the habit of calling non-vocal tracks "songs" tends to be an Americanism, but that's probably by the by.) Popcornfud (talk) 21:14, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
- Lean oppose. Don't other categories have non-singing songs in them? I don't think it's helpful for navigation to make the distinction between songs that contain vocal tracks and those that do not. Mason (talk) 20:26, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
- Comment, Category:Aphex Twin compositions would well fit as a subcategory of Category:Compositions by composer. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:19, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
- That would work for me. Mason (talk) 20:06, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
- Would that not also be redundant to Category:Songs written by Aphex Twin? StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 15:35, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkltalk 12:33, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
- Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars seems to be right, this should be a merge or reverse merge. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:44, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
- Comment. I don't have very strong opinions on this. Mason (talk) 19:29, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
Category:E7 nations
- Nominator's rationale: Associated articles E7 (countries) deleted at AfD. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 12:01, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:45, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, non-defining. CMD (talk) 09:47, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
Category:Political posters of Italy
- Propose merging Category:Political posters of Italy to Category:Political posters of Europe
- Nominator's rationale: Contains only a single non-free file. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 11:57, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:46, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose As it is, it's a convenient way to tie it into both European posters and the politics of Italy. It's the politics of Italy that's the much stronger connection. Admittedly it's near-empty, because we generally avoid hosting media on WP, but it's also a good tie to Commons, where we have many more items. I don't see any advantage to this merge, other than a rather pointless nod to SMALLCAT. It also singles out Italy (or is the plan, as usual, to remove all countries here, one by one?) when the other countries have very few images in their similar categories. Andy Dingley (talk) 14:51, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
Category:Converts from Nontrinitarianism
- Propose merging Category:Converts from Nontrinitarianism to Category:Converts from Christianity
- Nominator's rationale: merge, redundant category layer with only one subcategory. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:00, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
Category:Early modern history by city
- Nominator's rationale: delete, overlaps with Category:Centuries by city and Category:Decades by city. If kept, rename Category:Early modern history by city to Category:Early modern period by city per article Early modern period and parent Category:Early modern period. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:19, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
Category:English people by ethnic or national origin
- Nominator's rationale: A. rename per usage of "descent" in the subcategory names. B. purge Category:English Jews because the latter isn't about their ancestors but about what they are themselves (i.e. it is about ethnicity rather than about descent). This is part of a larger stale speedy nomination in which User:1234qwer1234qwer4, User:Anomalous+0 and User:Smasongarrison participated. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:46, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
- Keep the existing name. The wording suggests it's about something broader than descent; and indeed national origin may not be something to do with or the same as ethnicity or ethnic origin. 83.229.61.201 (talk) 15:41, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
Category:Male television actors by ethnic or national descent
- Nominator's rationale: delete, redundant category layer with only one subcategory. Merging is not necessary, the subcategory is already part of Category:Belgian male television actors. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:31, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
Category:2023 Marrakesh-Safi earthquake
- Propose renaming Category:2023 Marrakesh-Safi earthquake to Category:2023 Al Haouz earthquake
- Nominator's rationale: Per main article move. Article's name is now 2023 Al Haouz earthquake. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 12:30, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, redundant category layer, there is nothing in the category but the main article and the
abovesubcategory. If kept of course rename, then it is a simple matter of WP:C2D. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:19, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Rename or delete?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 01:34, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
Comment If deleted, it'll leave the subcat as the only one without a main category. But I'm still for renaming. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 23:58, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
- The subcat still has three other parent categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:42, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
Category:Kosovan LGBT-related films
- Propose merging Category:Kosovan LGBT-related films to Category:LGBT in Kosovo
- Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. The only page in here is already in the relevant subcategories of Kosovan films and LGBT-related films Mason (talk) 01:24, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
- Merge for now, without objection to recreate the category when some more articles are available. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:29, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
Category:Arabian agnostics
- Propose merging Category:Arabian agnostics to Category:Agnostics
- Nominator's rationale: Category is too small for navigation, isn't a nationality, and is probably not a defining intersection Mason (talk) 01:16, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
- Support in principle, but merge more specifically to Category:Middle Eastern agnostics. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:32, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
Category:Lists of Roman Catholic bishops and archbishops in Bangladesh
- Nominator's rationale: Dual upmerge. There's only one list in here, which isn't helpful for navigation Mason (talk) 00:04, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
- Support in principle, but merge more specifically to Category:Lists of Roman Catholic bishops and archbishops in Asia and Category:Bangladeshi Roman Catholic bishops. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:36, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
Category:Administrations of prime ministers of the United Kingdom
- Nominator's rationale: Redundant to Category:British premierships. Administrations of PM's is the same as the Premiership. Since it refers to the same thing, this category is a redundant layer of subcats. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 00:01, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:37, 30 March 2024 (UTC)