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Inconsistent Death Toll

In the Casualties section of the article, it's said that 45 people died, but then a gender breakdown adds up to 46 deaths. These can't both be true, but I can't find any sources besides the Reuters source used that claims that 46 people died, so I believe it may have accidentally counted the girl that survived as one of deceased. Does anyone have more details on this?--Elipticon (talk) 13:49, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Normally reliable sources make mistakes, but we don't have to follow them. It's even worse than you suggest as it says 31+15 passengers died, thereby excluding the driver, making it 47 in all. The "31+15" should be deleted (I also couldn't find any such breakdown in any other reference, all of which have 45 deaths) and, indeed, better to remove that Reuters reference altogether. It is also used to claim that Ramaphosa "pledged support to the nation [ie Botswana]", though that is not in the article, at least as of now. It is clear that that Reuters article has been revised over time, but that cannot now be verified as they prevent archiving (another reason not to use it). - Davidships (talk) 14:18, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Plagiarism

First paragraph in the background section is straight up plagarized from this article: https://www.dw.com/en/south-africa-bus-crash-leaves-dozens-dead/a-68695354

If we could get a change to this part it would be great Sharrdx (talk) 03:41, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Notability

I've tagged this article as its notability is tenuous. Individual events are not notable unless they have significant long-term coverage; per WP:SUSTAINED, Wikipedia is a lagging indicator of notability and simple news coverage is not sufficient. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 03:51, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Possible vandalism?

Hi, is this nonsense about "unlucky" and "lucky" in the lead relevant or is it just vandalism? I am not bold enough to edit it so, I am just raising awareness.

EDIT: Apologies, it was fixed in the time it took me to write this. SynthGuard (talk) 18:45, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It’s an LTA IP who prolifically targets disaster related pages. Said IP should always be banned long term. Borgenland (talk) 01:38, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Bridge location

This edit request to Mamatlakala highway accident has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request.

Yesterday I did some editing that tried to avoid formulaic language about the accident. When English news agencies report on accidents of this kind, they follow a highly standardized form (known as bus plunge) to give the story "human interest" — that is, to sensationalize it. The verb is always "plunge", the destination is always a "ravine", etc.

Anyway, in my research I located the bridge as crossing the Xume River which another editor found to be incorrect. Indeed, I cannot verify that the bridge crosses a river gorge at all so perhaps that should be reverted to "ravine" as the sources say, pending more information about what sort of geological feature is involved. 2601:642:4600:D3B0:D415:E05B:BCAE:F30C (talk) 14:57, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. M.Bitton (talk) 15:19, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Read the request, please. 2601:642:4600:D3B0:D415:E05B:BCAE:F30C (talk) 15:48, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done Liu1126 (talk) 21:18, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed name change to 2024 Mamatlakala highway bus crash

Can someone help me propose this change? It better follows MOS as far as I can tell, and most of the reliable sources for this article are using "crash" not "accident" (as the AP suggests) Dreameditsbrooklyn (talk) 15:11, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You can propose a move by following the instructions at WP:RSPM or using Twinkle's XFD function. Liu1126 (talk) 21:25, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, I've added the proposal. Dreameditsbrooklyn (talk) 23:32, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Agnostic on the change, but shouldn't both the current and proposed titles have "Mmamatlakala" rather than "Mamatlakala"? Per Google Maps (maps.app.goo.gl/XL87URbSCe2xSsHx8) and most of the news coverage. Moscow Mule (talk) 21:55, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Name change proposal

Requested move 1 April 2024

It has been proposed in this section that 2024 Mmamatlakala bus crash be renamed and moved to 2024 Mmamatlakala Highway crash.

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Mamatlakala highway accident → 2024 Mmamatlakala Highway crash – None of the sources cited are still using the word 'accident' and Mmamatlakala is the correct spelling as far as I can tell. Dreameditsbrooklyn (talk) 23:32, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

and what's the point of including the year? Bedivere (talk) 02:35, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

WP:NCWWW Pdubs.94 (talk) 02:54, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"Some articles do not need a year for disambiguation when, in historic perspective, the event is easily described without it". Are there other notable Mamatlakala highway accidents? If the response is "no", then the article title should not include the year. By the way, I oppose moving the article as it is perfectly fine titled. Bedivere (talk) 06:45, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support. The year is mandatory for articles like this, per WP:NCE, unless they're so well-known globally that this would be redundant. Tragic as it is, the bus crash isn't a major international incident and like other such events, benefits from a year for context. — Amakuru (talk) 07:26, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]