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Using Pronouns

Greetings to all,

I am a new editor and wanted to know if there is any kind of policy/guidelines regarding the use of Pronouns for the 72 genders? As Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, and sometimes it gets confusing, in the context.

P.S. I mean no offense to anyone. I am just trying to understand and learn. Thank you! CheezyMom (talk) 23:20, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

Please clarify— in articles, or otherwise? There's MOS:PRONOUNS. (72?) 🌺 Cremastra (talk) 23:32, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

In articles. I was editing Darwin Del Fabro, a non-binary actor and singer, the article is written in he/they and at a few instances, they and their of Darwin and they and their of a production company was getting mixed. Although, it has been fixed for now, however, it got me thinking, the impact of it on readability of the article, and what about in the future, such confusions become unavoidable?

Thank you for your question, it was indeed a necessary clarity. Thank you :)

P.S. as of 2023, there has been 72 genders. CheezyMom (talk) 16:30, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

Right, in articles the guideline is MOS:PRONOUN (but a caveat for all policies and guidelines is If a rule prevents you from improving or maintaining Wikipedia, ignore it.— we have a rule to ignore all rules).🌺 Cremastra (talk) 19:48, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

Ok. Thanks a lot. CheezyMom (talk) 00:48, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

I would say: use the pronoun that you think most obviously applies to someone unless there is a compelling reason to do otherwise. "This person has expressed a preference for X pronoun" counts as a compelling reason, as does "this person is trans" and "you've made a mistake there". DS (talk) 23:49, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for your comment @DragonflySixtyseven, I am concerned about the articles. I do respect the people's choice for themselves, and would always use their preferred pronouns.

Thank you. :) CheezyMom (talk) 16:36, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

Really, the policy is that if they identify as anything other than male or female, the pronouns of their biogacal sex should be used. If they are trans, only use the pronouns of the gender they have transitoned tó if they are fully transiotoned. But usally, please use the pronouns of their biolagacal sex, as it ís note formal. Blackmamba31248 (talk) 02:18, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

No, see MOS:GENDERID, which says "Refer to any person whose gender might be questioned with the name and gendered words (e.g. pronouns, man/woman/person, waiter/waitress/server) that reflect the person's most recent expressed self-identification as reported in the most recent reliable sources, even if it does not match what is most common in sources." It is their self-identification that matters, not whatever we consider that their biological sex may be. Elemimele (talk) 11:54, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

Í can’t hide my discontent anymore. Blackmamba31248 (talk) 15:38, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

What do you mean (and, FYI, some of the vowels you type seem to have ácúté áccénts ón thém.) 🌺 Cremastra (talk) 15:42, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

Í use an Icelandic keyboard Blackmamba31248 (talk) 20:24, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

Even if you're discontent with how the MoS works, how on earth does replying to someone with your own made-up policy (using 'pronouns of their biogacal sex') in the question-and-answer board for new editors help anyone? Manpinsou (talk) 20:27, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

I probably could say some things I shouldn't about the assertion--as if it's commonly accepted and, well, everybody knows it--that there are 72 genders (particularly in view of the fact that the question could have been presented just as well without it). But I guess, since this isn't an article, a citation to a reputable source is not required. Uporządnicki (talk) 13:11, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

I'm guessing the assertion that there's a fixed number of 72 exactly and everyone knows it is coming from someone w/out much knowledge on this type of thing trying to act in good faith. In the end, it doesn't matter much since they got a link to the MoS and are trying to be kind. Manpinsou (talk) 16:21, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

There's List of genders, but I think it's nigh-impossible (if not wrong on some level) to sort a "social, cultural, beahavioural and psychological" thing into nice discrete little boxes, count them up, and call it a day. Cremastra (talk) 19:44, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

Shi Xing Mi (living person)

 Courtesy link: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Shi Xing Mi
 Courtesy link: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Shi Xing Mi (2nd nomination)

Hello, I've been directed here by admins from deletion review, I hope you might be able to halp me.

A short backstory.

I am a student of Master Shi Xing Mi and work in media, so several years ago I created a Wikipedia entry about him, which I subsequently edited and eventually added over 20 sources following the notice of deletion due to a lack of independent sources. Nonetheless, the page was deleted, in my opinion completely incorrectly.

Master Shi Xing Mi has hundreds of international sources, from prestigious publications such as Forbes and NYP, to government institutions in several countries and large international corporations. He is the most quoted and published Shaolin Master globally, with 4 books published by the likes of Random House and Mondadori, as well as the Co-Founder of two international wellness and fitness companies with hundreds of employees.

Despite providing over 20 such sources in the Wikipedia article, as well as hundreds more being available to anyone with just a single Google search, somehow a Wikipedia moderator deleted it citing "no independent sources". Without being sarcastic, clearly Master Shi Xing Mi doesn't own dozens of top international magazines and newspapers, global book editors, government institution and many other such sources. They are clearly impeccable independent sources.

The deletion seems thus completely unfounded and arbitrary, to me; furthermore, there are dozens of Wikipedia pages about living people who comparatively have a miniscule number of sources, yet are considered compliant. Oddly, Shi Xing Mi's own Master, Shi De Yang, has 1 (one) source which is his own website, yet it's considered acceptable. Shi Xing Mi, who by the way is mentioned in Shi De Yang's Wikipedia page, has hundreds of sources but is not acceptable.

I would be happy to understand how to create an appropriate page for my Master, or how to correctly edit and source the deleted one, if anyone would be so kind as to help me. Previously, I just added 20 sources, ranging from Forbes to Shaolin Temple, but somehow that was deemed insufficient. Would gladly do better if someone could help me understand what better should look like.

Thank you. 83.79.71.123 (talk) 14:55, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

Actually, Shi De Yang's page is unacceptable and I will soon be creating a proposed deletion for the page. It has three sources, one of which is his own page (which cannot be reached) and two sources that aren't really independent of the subject.

Shi Xing Mi is referenced on the page, but not really. He's pictured with Shi De Yang, and thus has to be mentioned.

Looking at the second deletion discussion, I'm unfortunately with those who voted to delete the page. If I were to try and create the page now, I'd really struggle with the sources available. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 15:14, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

An dependent source is not necessarily a source owned by the subject. It is any source that exclusively contains info directly from the subject (link to our policy on that here).Also, calling New York Post a "prestigious publication" is rather ironic considering its status as a tabloid. Industrial Insect (talk) 15:25, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

At the following page I found links to PDFs of extensive in depth interviews and profilings by media ranging from the Handelsblatt (the most prestigious financial newspaper in Europe) to Men's Health (the most widely printed fitness magazine globally), Outside Magazine (the top outdoor activities magazine worldwide), Yoga Life (the most popular Yoga magazine in Europe), H Edition, BizOne, and several other internationally very well known publications. Articles are in English, German, Italian, Russian.

https://www.xingmi.info/press

Would I be correct in understanding that all of the above classify as very reputable independent sources? They certainly more than satisfy the criteria indicated in the Wikipedia information which was shared with me regarding appropriate references. They also certainly not classify as "tabloids" as you indicated the NYP to be (ignoring the links to Forbes and other non-tabloids I previously offered repeatedly).83.79.71.123 (talk) 17:18, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

Would I be correct in understanding that all of the above classify as very reputable independent sources?

They range from unreliable to possibly reliable, certainly not "very reputable". See WP:RSP and WP:RS. Remsense诉 17:27, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

To be quite frank with you, no I don't think they would be classed as independent or reliable. Interviews and profiles are great to find out about stuff that the individual wants to tell you, they are not great for independent and unbiased reporting. This is even more evident by the fact that, yet again, these links are shown on his own website.

If he had plenty of reliable, secondary sources out there on him then fair enough, but currently I'm not really seeing any evidence of that at all. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 17:47, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

If the some of the most reputable international newspapers and magazines are not reliable sources, what are? 83.79.71.123 (talk) 22:24, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

I linked you a guideline page and a big list of them. Remsense诉 22:36, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

I read it, and to me most seem to qualify as both unquestionably reliable and clearly independent. Additionally, there are the official Shaolin institutions which were already linked in the deleted page, such as Shaolin Temple itself, Shaolin Europe Association (the European federation of the temple), etc.

If I was to recreate the page with all those sources together, would it be acceptable? 83.79.71.123 (talk) 06:59, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

I recommend starting a draft and submitting it at WP:AFC. Remsense诉 07:14, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! I will do. Also his master, Shi De Yang, I noticed his page was mentioned also as to be deleted; he is the most famous Chinese Shaolin Master alive, with documentaries made about him by BBC and National Geographic, I would like to fix his page too if I can.

Masters Shi Xing Mi and Shi De Yang are respectively the most well known and widely impactful and published international and Chinese Shaolin masters of contemporary times, I strongly believe they should be present in Wikipedia and their biographies preserved in its archives.

They’ve been the two most fundamental people, together with Shaolin Abbot Shi Yong Xin, in bringing the Shaolin philosophy in the 21st century. 178.197.210.16 (talk) 09:55, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

Refer to the arguments made at the AFD page. As with everything, sources tell the tale. Remsense诉 09:57, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

If you have those sources where Shi De Yang has been in documentaries by the BBC and National Geographic then please, by all means add information from that documentary. It's not an article for deletion, it's a proposed deletion.

If you're actively improving it with appropriate sources then that proposed deletion template can be removed in an instant. Likewise, if you remove it without adding appropriate sources I will just take it to AFD instead which is almost guaranteed to be successful due to the lack of appropriate sources.

Please see WP:CITE, WP:RS and WP:RSP. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 12:01, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

Hello. Please note that Wikipedia has little interest in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is almost entirely interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. If enough material is cited from independent sources to establish notability, a limited amount of uncontroversial factual information may be added from non-independent sources. ColinFine (talk) 17:26, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

Whilst I openly and honestly stated to be connected to the subject, all sources I provided are independent (newspapers, magazines, government, corporate) and not connected to the subject nor to me.

I would also venture to say that most people who make a Wikipedia entry about someone or something, have at the very least a strong interest in the subject, so strong as to prompt them to take the time and effort to write about it; therefore the statement you make is not very realistic, in my opinion. 178.197.185.159 (talk) 13:04, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

All of the sources that you provided are on the subject's own website. All of them seem to be profiles or interviews. These are things that the subject wants you to read about them, or information that has been spoonfed to people. We cannot use this.

Currently, I have a tab open to "Shi Xing Mi". I'm on the news section on that Google search. What do I see? "How to fight against work stress? Shaolin monk gives tips", "Is your work life a living hell? Stay Zen with 6 tips from a monk" and "Zen in Zürich: The Dolder Grand lädt zum Meditation Retreat". These are the three articles I manage to find, the third is a booking for a meditation retreat in Zurich. The rest of the sources on this page are for things completely unrelated, such as viruses, 25 words you shouldn't use on the Chinese internet and stuff about Chinese shows you should watch. In total, there are 10 results on this search.

Do any of the three sources that are related to Shi Xing Mi seem as if they prove notability? Do these seem like reliable sources for information? I don't think they do.

There's also a very distinct difference between having a conflict of interest and taking an interest. A conflict of interest is where you have a direct link to an individual or organisation, such as yourself, and good on you for declaring it. Taking an interest is seeing something, going "neat" and starting to research.

One of these requires a declaration on your user page, the talk page of the subject or every edit you make regarding a subject and may, in cases of disruption, result in you being blocked from a topic or Wikipedia as a whole. One of these lets you edit away to your hearts content. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 13:35, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

Pedophilia topics

Concern over lack of transparency on how to edit pages concerning pedophilia topics

In the Wikipedia:WikiProject_Pedophilia_Article_Watch this now defunc project has a custom note on its page to email ArbCon direct to handle the situation "discreetly" with a comment in the edit history of "Unfortunally we can't use any of the normal inactive templates because they advise people to go to the teahouse, which is the last thing we want."

Advising editors to hide their conversations is a very dangerous president to set. I understand that in the current culture not condemning this topic can be seen as supporting it, more so given the outrage over Gemini not commending pedophilia when it is not realistic to expect an AI to have a strong opinion on any subject.

It currently appears that directly referencing any group listen on List of pedophile advocacy organizations is not permissible, but I can find no guidance on this. Furthermore my attempt to edit that page from what I saw as a very prejudicial viewpoint to one a bit less prejudicial was met with an outright revert instead of any attempt to try and remedy it.

As it currently stands, I feel intimidated to touch the subject for fear of being banned by the ArbCon without proper transparency.. As I saw an overly aggressive user that was attempting to move the PoV to less negative one get blocked for all of Wikipedia without any discussion or any attempt at mediation, whereas a different user aggressive user attempting to give Zoophilia a more negative view was given a lot more chances, an attempt at mediation and was ultimately only blocked from editing pages related to that topic.

Additional ask: I am looking for guidelines on how to contribute to this topic, or if such guidelines do not exist, how can I submit them for review. Subanark (talk) 13:36, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

To clarify, the revert in question was in response to @Subanark changing Newgon Organization. An online group that advocates for "pedophile rights" and circulates accounts justifying child molestation to Newgon Organization. An online group that advocates for "pedophile rights" and circulates accounts normalizing "child molestation", with the bold being the changed sections.

The revert seems to be correct, citing WP:SCAREQUOTES and the fact that "justifying" is a word used in the source. The current version seems pretty neutral to me.

As for any particular guidance or specific guidelines, I'm not really sure. The closest would probably be something along the lines of Wikipedia's zero tolerance policy, which states Engaging in, or soliciting/promoting on behalf of, activities that are obviously and gravely illegal (especially in the United States) can result in a zero-tolerance block. To be clear, we are not talking about running a stop sign or drag racing. Think promotion of terrorism or child pornography is something that can get someone blocked immediately. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 14:04, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

It just doesn't seem fair that "pedophile rights" gets the quote treatment, but child molestation doesn't. It also does not seem fair to describe an organization only by its opponents. From the research I've done I am unable to find many references to the group. The group's mission statement is probably in violation of Wikipedia's policy on advocacy. I still fail to see how a phrase like "child molestation" could be neutral. It is a phrase that invokes disgust and outrage. I do agree that a lot of what the organization does seem to align with how child molestation is defined but I don't think justify is a strong enough term. I guess the best I can hope for at this point is for a scholarly article that will touch on this organization.

The zero tolerance policy seems to be an essay, not an actual policy (WP:NOTPOLICY). And I'm having trouble getting a clear idea of what it is trying to convey... Let me break it down:

• "Engaging in, or soliciting/promoting on behalf of," - Engaging would include soliciting/promoting, so Engaging should be sufficient.
• "obviously" - I think obviously is the incorrect word given that the age of consent differs though out the world. I could see an argument for "clearly" instead.
• "gravel illegal" - It isn't clear where the line is here. It kind of sounds like: "Any action that would be considered a war crime if done during war", but that would likely exclude CP.
• zero-tolerance - Zero Tolerance is often seen as very draconian, and tends to be hyperbole.
• To be clear... drag racing - I don't understand where this is going. Is it to say commonly committed crimes that are not inherently violet?
• terrorism - When I think of terrorism, I think of an often misused term to invoke panic on the people.
• child pornography - There is still wide debate on this as to if fictional is allowed or how to handle cases where it is not clear if the person was a minor or not.

Maybe it is part of the autism I have, but I am unable to get a reading on the common sense that this policy seems to rely on. How about this: I will update the essay in a way I feel better states the policy, and after editorial review, I will use that. For me it is important to have clear instructions, and while I am capable of writing those instructions, I will commonly misunderstand it.

Still looking for an answer to my primary issue on transparency. Subanark (talk) 16:36, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

I think you should discuss potential changes first. Remsense诉 17:30, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

Sorry in advance for the text wall.

Paedophile rights is likely in quotes because I don't think anyone is really out here saying that people should have a right to fantasize about touching kids aside from groups such as those on that page. The topic of child molestation can and indeed should invoke feelings of disgust and outrage, putting it in quotes won't change that and would, in my eyes, make it seem as if we're dismissing it.

It would be nice to have an official policy, but that essay is about as close as I could find with a very cursory look. If someone could find something out there on it then that'd be lovely.

As for the zero tolerance essay, likely the most pertinent part is this: In all cases administrators should exercise restraint where practicable, and carefully consider the circumstances including possible mitigating or extenuating facts before imposing any block, much less a zero-tolerance one. Even with naked vandalism, in all but the rarest of cases some form of warning is desirable. All of which said, WP:BEFOREBLOCK clearly states that in cases of obviously bad-faith behavior, warnings are not required and an immediate block is within the discretion of administrators.

The key here is within the within the discretion of administrators. If an admin deems that something warrants an immediate block, the individual will receive one.

As for transparency, if you're editing in good faith (which everyone should assume regardless), you're far more likely to receive messages on your talk page and guidance in reversions than a block. You are highly unlikely to be blocked just for editing in certain areas. This links back to where it says In all cases administrators should exercise restraint where practicable. The only reason you would likely be immediately blocked is if you're advocating, which, and I cannot stress this enough, I don't believe you're doing. Please let me know if you have any specific questions on the transparency thing, but I hope I've answered that.

Finally, for the bullet points;

• "Engaging in, or soliciting/promoting on behalf of," is pretty much just legalese. It's covering all bases.
• "obviously" is correct, as that section doesn't just include child porn, it's across all crimes. Additionally, the next bit is more important here: (especially in the United States). This is very specific because Wikipedia operates in the US primarily and largely follows their laws. That isn't to say that, for example, copyright laws of other countries shouldn't be followed, it's more so that the US is the legal baseline for most things.
• "gravely illegal" is... Admittedly vague, and the other crimes listed are kind of just thrown in there. That should definitely change, but again, within the discretion of administrators
• "zero-tolerance" is the phrase used fairly widely and I don't think that really needs to change, regardless of how draconian anyone sees it.
• "child pornography" links back to number 2, Wikipedia largely follows US laws and thus stands by their laws on Simulated child pornography.

5 and 6 I'm not really going to touch on, primarily because I touched on 5 in 3 and 6 isn't really interchangeable. Terrorism is terrorism. As Remsense said, you should definitely discuss any changes on the talk page first. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 17:37, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

Sorry, I feel like I cannot remain fully professional in this response:

The more we push pedophiles away from us, the more likely they will commit harm. The sigma around it has made it very difficult for them to come out and get the help they need (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8888370/). The Wikipedia article is going to get primary attention from pedophiles, who really don't need more shame and from those that are seeking to harm pedophiles, which don't need any more reason to be angary. When I read the pedophiles rights I was not outraged or discussed, I was afraid about the damaging effect this would have on a kids current and lasting mental state. I don't think it is Wikipedia's goal to invoke feelings in others, it is to invoke rational thought. Subanark (talk) 20:30, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

I would suggest you email the WMF; this is not the most productive place for this conversation. Remsense诉 20:34, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

I want to note in passing that 'child molestation' without quotations already carries a negative connotation, while 'paedophile rights' does not. Important differences to this discussion, it feels like. JackTheSecond (talk) 12:31, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

My Draft

Hi there everyone. A few weeks ago I sought out some help for my Draft: T-Money (rapper) AfC and I received some really constructive feedback. I was told to improve the quality of my sources, and I found some great stuff. I was wondering if someone can take a look at my edits and references, and let me know more ways I could approve, if any? I'm always looking to learn. Thanks all! Taevchoi (talk) 18:48, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

I'm just gunna chuck this one out there, video jockey either shouldn't be abbreviated or should be abbreviated only after stating what that abbreviation is; video jockey (VJ) would work. This is just me nit-picking though. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 18:52, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

Not nit-pickey at all, that makes sense. Thanks!@CommissarDoggo Taevchoi (talk) 18:55, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

No worries. I've also taken the liberty of adding templates, Where possible citations should be added. Where impossible, information should not be included. The AllMusic sources should also be replaced where possible.

My only real concerns are uncited areas, some minor issues in insufficient citations and, again, another nit-pick, unsorted citations (2 before 1, etc.) and double-spaces, but I have no doubts that'll be sorted prior to resubmission.

I'm tagging @Utopes and @TheChineseGroundnut for their input, as they've previously reviewed the draft. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 19:07, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

Hi there @CommissarDoggo can I ask for your advice? I had the T-Money #143 trading card cited with its link on Ebay, but I was told by a fellow editor that it wasn't the appropriate source. So then, I added a picture of the trading card via wikimedia to the article, but someone flagged it for copyright and it was removed from my draft. How should I go about this? He definitely appeared on the trading card. Should I try to get in contact with the subject, and see if he has his own photo of the trading card to avoid copyright? or should I buy it myself off of ebay and then upload a picture? I'm genuinely stumped. I appreciate your expertise! Taevchoi (talk) 16:27, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

I mean... As a primary source I'd use WP:EBAY quite happily, as long as you're not trying to extrapolate anything from it it should be fine.

I would ask what you're trying to achieve by putting the card on there though, is it significant in some way (rare, especially pricy, auctioned cards going to a good cause, etc.) or is it just saying that he was featured on an MTV Raps trading card? If it's the latter then I'd err on the side of not putting it in the article simply because it doesn't really add much of substance; he's #143 in the series, so I can only imagine that there were at least 200 different cards made, which doesn't seem massively significant I'm afraid.

You will still need a citation for the rest of the information in the "Yo! MTV Raps" section as well, as it's currently uncited. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 17:14, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

Roger that, will work on integrating your feedback over the next few days. Thank you! @CommissarDoggo Taevchoi (talk) 02:37, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

Another question for you -- @CommissarDoggo. I don't want to sound like a quitter, I do enjoy looking for resources, but let's say I can't find any reliable material for the information marked as needing a citation, would it be detrimental to my article if I removed it? I was told by Utopes that there's a nice chance of it being approved, and I would be disappointed to jeopardize that by removing info. I value and appreciate your opinion! Taevchoi (talk) 18:14, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

Unfortunately, if you have no reliable sources for a piece of information, you don't have information anymore. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 18:19, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

ahhhh i see your point. Got it! Taevchoi (talk) 18:26, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

Typo, I mean *improve not approve. lol Taevchoi (talk) 18:59, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

When born missing a year and needs a ref. David notMD (talk) 07:52, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

Thanks so much for your input! @CommissarDoggo@David notMD Taevchoi (talk) 23:42, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

Subjectivness

Is there anywhere online where í can Make w orðs and sentences sound less subjective? (Editing purposes) Blackmamba31248 (talk) 02:13, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

I wouldn't be surprised if there were some website that claimed to do this. Would it actually deliver? Probably not. One thing you might do is set up for English the browser that you're using for English: a browser set up in this way would point out likely typing/spelling mistakes. (The "free as in both libre and gratuit" browser I'm using right now would put put a wiggly red line under both "í" and "orðs" in your question above. Also, under its title of "Subjectivness".) -- Hoary (talk) 02:27, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, I’m not that good at typing. Blackmamba31248 (talk) 02:30, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

Also, i use an Icelandic Keyboard. Don’t ask questions. Blackmamba31248 (talk) 02:31, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

Blackmamba31248, does it look like any of these? (click for larger image)

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You could help Wikipedia by taking a photo of your keyboard and uploading it, as we don't have an actual photo of one, just these diagrams. If interested, see Wikipedia:Uploading images. Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 01:51, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

Looks like them exept the ö is right of the æ. Blackmamba31248 (talk) 02:10, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

Deleting account on another wiki.

I accidentally created an account in the Italian wikipedia, can I delete it? This user is (talk) 10:19, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

Hello. There is no means of deleting accounts, just don't use it if you don't wish to. 331dot (talk) 10:25, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

Oh, thank you. This user is (talk) 10:28, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

@This user is: strictly speaking, you have one account, which is valid on all Wikipedias, as well as other Wikimedia projets such as Wikimedia Commons and Wikidata, Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:44, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

Oh. I thought it was created because of https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciale:Registri/This_user_is. This user is (talk) 11:52, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

It's a weird situation. The accounts are centrally managed, so if you create an account called JohnSmith while using the English wikipedia, you'll find that an account called JohnSmith exists on all the others, too, and if you edit them while you're logged on, that will be your username everywhere. But although you only have one account for all Wikipedias, each Wikipedia will supply you with your own opportunity for a user-page and your own talk-page, and these will operate quite independently. Those using the Italian Wikipedia will see your Italian user-page, while those using the English will see your English. If you habitually edit in multiple languages, there are ways to make sure that everyone sees one unified user-page if you wish. But if you only occasionally drop in to other wikipedias, don't worry about it. Elemimele (talk) 12:00, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

Thank you. This user is (talk) 14:30, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

@This user is: Your account will work at around 1000 of the Wikimedia wikis at Special:SiteMatrix. A local version of the account is automatically created if you view any page at the wiki while already logged in at another of the wikis like the English Wikipedia. Special:CentralAuth/This user is shows your current accounts. Some wikis post welcome messages to new accounts with no edits. That happened yesterday at the Italian Wikipedia and you were probably notified about it. It confuses and annoys many users. Just ignore it. I once suggested to disallow it at meta:Welcoming policy but it got no attention. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:50, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

Thank you. This user is (talk) 19:06, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

Problems with creating an article

I tried to submit a MS word file as a new document but .doc files were not accepted. JPEG files were suggested, but these are primarily for "picture" files, and mine is entirely textual. What do you suggest suggest? Daleawebster (talk) 17:54, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

See WP:YFA for how to create and submit a draft to review, for consideration as an article. However, all new editors are strongly advised to gain experience by learning how to improve existing articles before attempting a new article. David notMD (talk) 18:12, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

Why were you trying to upload a word document? ---- D'n'B-t -- 19:11, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

@Daleawebster Welcome to the Teahouse. Text files in MS Word (or any other text documents) are not appropriate things to attempt to upload to Wikimedia Commons, or to Wikipedia. Many people, however, do sometimes prepare a draft offline in a word processor, having based whatever they're writing on properly published, reliable sources. But that text would then need to be copy/pasted directly into Wikipedia, not actually 'uploaded' as a .doc file. It's probably that some extraneous formatting code might still be present if you attempted that, so it is far, far better for you to write whatever text you want to add directly into Wikipedia using either our Source Editor or our Visual Editor.

As well as the link given above to Your First Article, I see you have already been left a welcome message on your talk page which contains a very important link to Learn More About Editing. Do please work through those pages to understand how content and citations are added to this encyclopaedia with our editing tools. If you need any further help, just ask. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 20:41, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

Creating/Submitting A New Article For Inclusion Onsite

Hello, I have a new article I would like to submitted to be added to this site. I would like a little help to make certain the format is correct for your needs. Please let me know what you need from me. Thank you. CVActor2 (talk) 23:11, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

Please take a look at Your First Article, then the Manual of Style and finally the Articles for Creation area.

I can see this is your first time interacting with Wikipedia, so I'd also recommend not jumping into making or requesting an article be made just yet. Feel free to look over the task centre to see whether anything piques your fancy; I'd recommend citation hunting, it's a very useful way to learn how to cite stuff. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 23:16, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

Proving Notability in Draft:Middlesex and North West London ACF

I’ve created a draft article for Draft:Middlesex and North West London ACF but have been struggling to prove notability for the page. I’m not sure on how to do this without explicitly explaining how it’s notable. Has anyone got any ideas? AWN08 (talk) 23:42, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

Being a CFAV myself it feels a little difficult to say this, but individual cadet battalions really just aren't all that notable.

I know some that likely are and would certainly warrant their own article, like the 1st Cadet Battalion, King's Royal Rifles Corps (the only cadet battalion with battle honours to my knowledge), but you're gunna find it difficult to find secondarysources to satisfy notability guidelines on others such as this one.

I'm still gunna do my bit and see if I can fish out some sources for you, but I'll advise you not to get your hopes up. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 23:55, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

Hi, and thanks, do you think I would be better drafting an article for the ACF in London District (all four sectors in one article). AWN08 (talk) 00:00, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

That could work, yeah. You can somewhat work off of List of Army Cadet Force units to see all of them. Seeing as you have 500 edits I'll ask, do you have access to the Wikipedia Library? If not I'll happily try to find some sources in there.

Tagging @MissAntador, because she wanted me to. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 00:04, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

Yes I have access but am unsure on how to use it for a topic like this. I’m struggling to find any references to ACF units. AWN08 (talk) 00:11, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

Go onto the library and then look for Newspapers.com, it's an absolutely invaluable tool for this sort of source finding. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 00:14, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, I’ll look through this tonight and I’ll see if I can find enough citations/ history to justify its own article. If not then I’ll start a draft for the ACF in London District. AWN08 (talk) 00:22, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

I couldn't find much myself, but I hope you have more luck. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 00:23, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

What should I know about Wikipedia?

I have read "Wikipedia:A primer for newcomers", but I feel like I need to learn more about Wikipedia before I start contributing. What should I know? BrandenburgBlue (talk) 23:52, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

The most I'd recommend is to never work backwards when creating an article or adding to an existing one, always cite your sources with reliable, secondary sources and please, I beg of you, never bite the newcomers.

Another thing to read up on would be the Manual of Style, it's a lovely bit of kit that'll be invaluable.

Also, if you're looking for stuff to do, hit up the tasks centre, it's a fantastic place to find some jobs. I'd recommend looking into citation hunting, it's a great way to start your career.

With those little tips you'll never stray too far from being a good editor. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 23:57, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

Thanks! BrandenburgBlue (talk) 00:29, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi, BrandenburgBlue, and welcome! I'm going to take a slightly different approach to your question. Wikipedia is truly "the encyclopedia that anyone can edit", and I think "what you should know" depends to a fairly large extent on your own, personal style in new, unfamiliar situations. For example: if you get a new gadget—a new model cell phone, rice cooker, flatbed scanner, gaming platformr—do you read all the instructions first, or do you just unrap it, plug it in, and see if you can "just make it work", only going back to the instructions when you get stuck? I'm sort of in the middle, but closer to the unwrap-and-play type: I like to tinker a little bit with my new gadget, and then go to the instructions later, to find out all the little hidden tricks and advanced options that aren't obvious when I unwrap it. Which type are you?

One thing that's good to know about Wikipedia, is that you can press all the buttons and you are not going to break anything, no matter what you do. If you make a huge error, lets say, you edit the France article and add "Barcelona is the #2 city" by mistake—don't worry about it. This is a collaborative project, and some other editor will come along and fix it pretty quickly. Mistakes are okay, everybody makes mistakes; that's how we all learn.

So, if you are okay with this style, I would encourage you to start right away—right after you read this—and go edit some article. Do the best you can, add something, fix something, see what happens when you hit the Publish button. Add real stuff to the best of you ability, and don't add jokes or Barcelona to the France article, but if you are honestly trying to improve the article, then you are fine.

If you are more the "read a little bit first" type, then read three things: WP:NPOV, WP:Verifiability, and WP:Referencing for beginners. That's it—now go out and make an edit! Mathglot (talk) 01:13, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

@BrandenburgBlue: You can also read our article, Wikipedia. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:45, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

As of...

Is it okay to state that "As of 2024, [statement]" if it's possible that later in 2024, the statement may no longer be true? Flaming Hot Mess of Confusion (talk) 01:57, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

I'd say it's fine. If the information changes later this year, it can be changed. CanonNi (talk) 02:06, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi Flaming Hot Mess of Confusion. Such a thing is generally considered OK, but it's recommend that you follow the guidance given in WP:ASOF when you do because it categorizes the pages where such an expression is being used and allows others to easily monitor them for updating. -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:18, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

@Flaming Hot Mess of Confusion More at the template documentation for {{As of}}, where there are tricks to render the output as lower case "as of" and even to make it display the word "since". Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:44, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

@Flaming Hot Mess of Confusion: You can write "As of April 2024" (but please do not write "As of Spring 2024", because that only applies to one hemisphere). Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:44, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

Draft:AL AMIN

I don't know this biography was not approved? Editobd (talk) 06:56, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

You've already asked for help with this at the AFC Help Desk, please do not use more than one forum at a time to avoid duplicating effort. 331dot (talk) 07:24, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

This draft about a 19 year old says He was born on January 1, 2005, in a quaint village nestled within the lush landscapes of Gosairhat Upazila, Shariatpur district, Dhaka Division, Bangladesh,in a village where he faced many challenges and hardships. AL AMIN embodies the spirit of relentless pursuit. His journey from humble beginnings to multifaceted success is nothing short of inspiring. Despite his friends' discouragement, he pursued his passion for acting and filmmaking. AL AMIN is a role model for many young people in Bangladesh who want to follow their dreams and make a difference in the world That is overtly promotional and non neutral language. Promotional, advertising and public relations editing is strictly forbidden on Wikipedia. Editobd, if you are writing about yourself, please read WP:AUTOBIOGRAPHY. Such an effort is almost certain to fail, and will end up being a waste of your time. Cullen328 (talk) 07:33, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

and I have rejected the draft. Theroadislong (talk) 07:38, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

Draft:AL AMIN then Speedy deleted (G11) for being promotional/advertising in content rather than neutral point of view and referenced. David notMD (talk) 10:20, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

Editing

I am new to editing on Wikipedia but I have edited a minor article about my connection to the late Dr John Rippon I discovered through my ancestry research and DNA markers on Ancestry UK that he is my 6th great grandfather is that ok to do that or can I write information about this elsewhere I'm an author Poet and would like to write just out of interest to others who like researching 2A02:C7C:4A6E:D100:94E5:9BE4:C9D8:6F40 (talk) 07:23, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi, welcome. Thank you for asking about this at the TeaHouse. So for starters, looking at this edit to the John Rippon Article, you may have made an account but accidentally logged out before coming to the TeaHouse, I'm guessing that was on accident but if you have an account try to stay logged in while editing so that everyone knows who did what. The edit has been undone because it doesn't really contribute anything to the enyclopedia (not to metion being unverifiable and and out of step with the normal tone of voice). If you want to keep editing Wikipedia you may wish to read Getting Started. But please be clear that Wikipedia is not a social platform for individual's thoughts, perspectives or relations to any given topic. ---- D'n'B-t -- 07:44, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

No, I am sorry but that is not appropriate for a Wikipedia article. A man who lived two centuries ago could easily have hundreds or thousands of descendents. Even if the relationship you claim is true, your DNA would contain only an infinitesimal amount of his DNA. When you write that you have conducted ancestry research and DNA markers on Ancestry UK, that is a perfect example of original research, which is not permitted on Wikipedia. As for writing about this matter elsewhere, there are countless other websites where content like this is welcomed but not Wikipedia. That is because Wikipedia is, as a matter of policy, not a genealogy website. Cullen328 (talk) 08:03, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

I want to create a wikipedia page for a company. But the username keeps getting rejected. How to move forward?

Need help with understanding the username guidelines and what username can be picked for the page I create.

49.205.174.88 (talk) 07:25, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

Please read and digest Wikipedia:Username policy. If you have any question about what it says, feel free to ask here. ¶ Are you perhaps related to this company whose page you want to create? -- Hoary (talk) 07:56, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

You seem to be confusing your username with that of the name of the article you want to write. Your username is the name of your account that you will use on Wikipedia, not the name of an article you will write. Your username should represent you personally, not your company. Once you have a username, you will then use it to create a draft via the article wizard. 331dot (talk) 08:16, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

A Wikipedia account is for one person and one person only. Usernames that purport to represent a company like "Widgets Incorporated" are not permitted. Role accounts like "Marketing at Widgets Incorporated" are also not permitted, for two reasons. Such an account name indicates that the account may be shared among marketing staff who come and go at that company, and also, marketing activity is forbidden on Wikipedia, so any account dedicated to marketing will be blocked. "Jean at Widgets Incorporated" is an acceptable username as long as the mandatory Paid contributions disclosure is made. But such an account will not be permitted to engage in promotional, advertising, marketing or public relations activity, because all such behavior is strictly forbidden on Wikipedia. Cullen328 (talk) 08:20, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

Retracing on steps.

I edited a file a few edits ago, but have forgotten its exact name, so cannot retrace my steps. The file name does contains the word "ravine".

I often list such file names in my user page, but did not do so in this case. ----MountVic127 (talk) 09:29, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

MountVic127, Draft:List of Ravine and Other Failures appears near the top of Special:Contributions/MountVic127.   Maproom (talk) 09:44, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

Can't spot you editing any such file recently here or on Commons. Were you perhaps logged out while editing? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:46, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

Have you tried checking your browser history? 😸 Cremastra (talk) 13:02, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

Thanks @MapRoom.

@Cremastre: How does one check your browser history Crome or Firefox? ----MountVic127 (talk) 23:00, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

I'm not sure about Chrome, but on Firefox, there should be a symbol that looks like a bookshelf to the right of the search bar. In Firefox, you can also open the history "sidebar" by pressing control+shift+H (command+shift+H on a Mac). 😸 Cremastra (talk) 23:14, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

MountVic127 I lose my edits sometimes too. Usually I go to my User page and on the right it has a link to User contributions. There's a search feature if you remember a word to look for. Just a different way to check instead of browser history. --Tbennert (talk) 03:09, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

Edit filter warning

Hello,

According to the page Rules for Fools, all the jokes should be kept off the four most important namespace. I removed an AfD template from the article Line 4 Sheppard (which is listed on Wikipedia:April Fools/April Fools' Day 2024) but had to ignore an edit filter warning and my edit was reverted. Can you explain what happened?

Thank you,

IP 212.221.45.125 (talk) 10:01, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

Don't worry about it – you were correct. The edit filter correctly assumes that generally, new/unregistered users removing AfD templates is not a good thing, but in this case it was fine. Not sure why you were reverted. Tollens (talk) 10:10, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

Almalgamated lithographers of America

Good morning. My name is Chris Sclafani. I am the business agent for Almalgamated Lithographers Of America union. There is some information on your site that is not up to date. We are no longer part of the IBT Teamsters Union. Our contract has been legally terminated. Also some of the history are not correct. I was wondering how we can fix this ? We understand it’s a non for profit organization. We will help out with the cost. Please advise us how to proceed.

thanks Chris LocaloneL (talk) 12:15, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi @LocaloneL and welcome to the Teahouse. Could you specify what information you are referring to? CanonNi (talk) 12:20, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

The building head quarters should not reference the IBT Teamsters. There is no affiliation with the Teamsters anymore. We would like all “teamster” references kindly removed. Who should I send any documentation to ? LocaloneL (talk) 12:05, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

@LocaloneL: You may post links (or details of works on paper) here; or on the talk page of the article. Note that we will likely change the reference to IBTT to past tense, but not remove it. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:54, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Amalgamated Lithographers of America

@LocaloneL: You may find this FAQ useful. The most crucial thing is that we need a source or sources to support every change. We generally ask for independent coverage (such as press articles), but for something like the IBT Teamsters issue, a statement on your own, or their, website should suffice. Also, you don't have to pay for this, and anyone asking you to do so in response to this post is likely a scammer. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:47, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

how is my post not constructive?

you deleted my completely truthful and accurate update to Baum's page. Why? 2603:6010:E904:E7C7:6836:84DF:BDC7:C223 (talk) 13:35, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

Because it was unsourced and possibly slanderous. Theroadislong (talk) 13:39, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

How to make joke deletion nomination

Can someone explain how to make an April Fools AFD nomination? I read all the instructions but still can't figure it out. TypoEater (talk) 13:55, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

What makes you think that anyone else can? Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:01, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

Have you even read Wikipedia:April Fools? Most of the April Fools stuff is joke AFD nominations and there's a separate page for them. Wikipedia has a history of doing stuff like this for April Fools and they have specific rules to make sure it does not disrupt normal use. TypoEater (talk) 14:33, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

Please don't. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 14:06, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

See reply to Mike Turnbull. TypoEater (talk) 14:33, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

Yes, I'm obviously aware of April Fools Day. I'm also aware that (IMO) joke AfDs are near-universally unfunny, and not for lack of effort. It's not funny, it's not cute, it's boring and annoying. So please don't waste your and everyone else's time. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 14:36, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia:April Fools/April Fools' Day 2024 demonstrates by many examples exactly how lame this is. David notMD (talk) 14:43, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

Another editor keeps attacking my edits

How do I make a complaint about another editor? Or have someone officiate what is happening? This person has made up totally spurious reasons for attacking me; has accused me of edit-warring after I tried to clarify an edit; and is now saying I have a conflict of interest based on some kind of statistical analysis. I have tried discussing things with them, but they are always aggressive. I suspect they are also tracking me because they jump onto my edits so quickly. This has been going on for 18 months. I actually stopped doing anything on Wikipedia for 6 months because of it. I feel like I am being stalked (and I have told them this). What do I do?GreyStar456 (talk) 15:27, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

@GreyStar456 The correct venue to make such complaints is WP:ANI. Before you do anything, carefully read the instructions at the top and note that your own behaviour may be taken into consideration by the admins who will review your case. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:03, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

Thanks. That looks a horrendous process. However, this can't go on. He is just making things up. I shall start gathering the evidence. GreyStar456 (talk) 10:42, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

Zee Cine Award for Best Actor – Female wrong information

please change popular award for best actor female in zee cine awards 2024. rani mukerji won popular . if you doubt thn check yrf official twitter account , zee studio official twitter account and emmay entertainment official twitter account. please check again your Wikipedia page and edit. 2405:205:C94A:630E:9488:D4BA:1DB0:597B (talk) 16:21, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse. It appears you've already posted this on the relevant talk page. I suggest you edit your comment there so that it has the edit request template and provide a source that is considered reliable by Wikipedia's standards. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 16:45, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

How do I make an April Fools AfD?

I can't understand the template TidalTreka (talk) 17:23, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

See above: please don't. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 17:24, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

why not TidalTreka (talk) 17:35, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

They're not funny. They are, at best, boring. It's a waste of your and everyone else's time. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 17:42, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

A user prodded an article on my watchlist today, claiming it was an April fools. They received, from me, a stern warning not to do that again, after I rollbacked their edits. If they were to do it again, they would likely receive a block for vandalism. That's why not. Polyamorph (talk) 17:48, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

gotcha, ill stick to April fooling my own user-age TidalTreka (talk) 17:52, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

I meant userpage TidalTreka (talk) 17:52, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

april fools LegalSmeagolian (talk) 16:27, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

draft: Mohammed Algoni

Hi,

Please I want someone to kindly check this article tell me my mistakes and the way forward draft:Mohammed Algoni. The draft article

le was declined due to referencing from unverified sources.In the same vein I feel the sources on the article are verified.

Thanks. Sylvesterchukwu04 (talk) 18:12, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

@Sylvesterchukwu04: Welcome to the Teahouse. I'll leave others to talk about the sources, but the draft as written is inappropriate for an encyclopedia as it is not written in a encyclopedic tone and instead serves to promote the subject. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 18:44, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

Thanks Sylvesterchukwu04 (talk) 20:29, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

Refs 1, 2, 5 & 6 are press-release type publications of him congratulating one author; refs 3, 4, 7, 8 & 9 are press-release type publications about him giving one presentation. None are about him, his business or any philanthropy. David notMD (talk) 18:58, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

Thanks Sylvesterchukwu04 (talk) 20:28, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Sylvesterchukwu04. Please note that Wikipedia has little interest in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is almost entirely interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. If enough material is cited from independent sources to establish notability, a limited amount of uncontroversial factual information may be added from non-independent sources. ColinFine (talk) 18:04, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

Are there any good pages in need of editing?

I'm still fairly new to this, but I wanted to know if there are any pages that need help. ProfessorMilo12 (talk) 20:17, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

All of the pages on Wikipedia need help in some way or another. You could start by looking for stub class articles in your area of interest or check out WP:CITEHUNT to fix some citations as some easy examples. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 20:27, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

"Good articles" has a special meaning within Wikipedia, meaning those have been nominated and critically reviewe and rated as Good articles. (Ratings are shown on article Talk pages.) Stub, Start and C-class are easier to identify shortfalls. Some articles have comments at the top specifying shortfalls - most common are that content needs more and better references. David notMD (talk) 02:21, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

If you have any specific preferences or fields of interest or expertise, it should not take you long to find something to help with. Cheers, · · · Peter Southwood ^(talk): 08:15, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

How do I mark an article as needing an edit

ie making it show up on your homepage as "Suggested edits" Personfromthegalille (talk) 20:37, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

As far as I know you don't add things to your suggested edits. If you have a look at my user page, at the bottom of it you'll see a collapsed box which houses the stuff that I think needs to be fixed and that I plan on fixing in the future. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 20:39, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

To make an article eligible to show up in the "suggested edits" section of Special:Homepage, you could add a maintenance tag to the article or one of its sections. I don't know exactly which tags get picked up by the feature though. Perception312 (talk) 21:52, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

Document unusual move

Hello,

Re: documenting previous versions of an article before a move, that was later recreated

I have been working on the Israel Bissell article and kept finding that it was an Isaac Bissell who was the post rider to sound the "Lexington Alarm" (Battle of Lexington and Concord) and that Israel Bissell was a mistake. After more research, which I documented on the talk page, I came to the conclusion that the article should be about Isaac, so I moved the page.

I then found out that two men with the surname Bissell spread the Lexington Alarm (call to arms) to towns in Connecticut from Worcester in two different directions. So, I copied the version of the article just before the move and brought Israel Bissell back to life. (If helpful, there's a high-level explanation at Talk:Israel Bissell and lots and lots of detail at Talk:Isaac Bissell.)

The good news is that there are appropriately two articles for each man. The bad news is that the history for Israel is in Isaac's pages. Is there a way to document this - perhaps on the talk page? Or, maybe request that history is moved?

I cannot remember how to do this and what is best.

Thanks so much!–CaroleHenson (talk) 00:03, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

I've tagged Isaac's article to request an admin do a histmerge. For the talk pages, I've asked the technical move requests board if they can help. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 03:17, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

Thanks Rotideypoc41352, I just saw that on the article page. Much appreciated!–CaroleHenson (talk) 03:21, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

@Pppery and Robertsky:

I just saw all the changes. That was more work than I expected, and a two-person job at that. Thank you so much!–CaroleHenson (talk) 07:52, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

Siyal and chamar are two different caste

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Siyal and chamar two different caste but the writer wrote siyal and chamar in one caste.Her source was talk to siyal and chamar two different caste but the writer wrote wrong theory and he was protect this page. Source are provided siyal and chamar are two different there are :- *(1) The Constitution (Scheduled caste) Order of 1950 Book, Page number 167 and 168 castes serial list 18 chamar and 86 siyal caste. *(2)Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes Research and Training Institute (SCSTRTI), Odisha , (3)Singh, K.S.; Anthropological Survey of India (1992): People of India: Odisha (2 pts.) Page number 323 and 214 provide siyal and Chamar different caste (4)The Scheduled Caste Population in Odisha book . Ramachbehera1 (talk) 04:14, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

@Ramachbehera1, it is unlikely that anyone at the Teahouse will be able to assist you with the editorial concerns you have better than the talk page for the articles in question. Please raise concerns there instead. Remsense诉 04:18, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

Ramachbehera1, you have shown repeatedly that you are currently not competent to contribute to the English language Wikipedia, because your English language skills are very poor. Your comment above is largely incoherent. Please volunteer instead at the Wikipedia version in the language you speak best. Cullen328 (talk) 04:30, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

@Ramachbehera1: You have raised this issue in several venues, including at the Teahouse not very long ago. I suggest you find a different topic to work on. RudolfRed (talk) 04:37, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Format change for search results

Recently I decided to look up Certosa de Pavia on Wikipedia. The normal search result showed up, and then it suddenly changed to a ridiculously simplistic format that I find insulting, degrading and unnecessary. You don't have to make it easier for me to read. I have eyes that work just fine and a brain that does not require dumbing it down for me to understand. PLEASE put it back the way it was. You are annoying a devoted, long term (30+ years) adherent and faithful user to your site. 2600:8801:AA09:6000:38A4:1EB0:3031:2A6E (talk) 04:33, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

The search results look fine to me, including when I log out. Please clarify the problem you are seeing. RudolfRed (talk) 04:48, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

Not the IP OP, I wonder if a misclick or some spontaneous spasm in the matrix led to the mobile view for Certosa di Pavia. In which case, IP OP, you can force desktop mode by going all the way down and clicking the "Desktop" link in the footer. Otherwise, I'm just as confused as RudolfRed. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 05:32, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

New Editor - Seeking Review for Star City Thanlyin Article

Hi everyone,

I'm a new editor on Wikipedia, and I've been working on an article about Star City Thanlyin, a mixed-use development project in Myanmar. I've drafted the article in the sandbox and submitted a request for review on the article's "talk" page, but haven't received any feedback yet.

I'm eager to learn and ensure the article meets Wikipedia's quality standards. Could anyone provide some guidance on how to get my draft reviewed? I've included citations and references for all information, and I'm open to any suggestions for improvement.

Here's a link to the draft in the sandbox: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Wiki_Soe_Moe/sandbox

Thank you for your time and assistance!

Sincerely,

Peter Soe Moe

Wiki Soe Moe (talk) 05:33, 2 April 2024 (UTC) Wiki Soe Moe (talk) 05:33, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi Wiki Soe Moe. The content you've been working on in you sandbox is not going to be automatically submitted for review; you will need to formally request that it be reviewed by submitting it to WP:Articles for creation. So, what you will need to do is go to the Article's for creation page, carefully read through all of the stuff at the top of the page, and then click on the blue "Click here to start a new article" button if you wish to proceed. You can then take move the content you've been working on in your sandbox to the new draft article after its been created and continue working on it there. Once you think its ready for review, you can click on blue "Submit the draft for review!" button. However, I wouldn't suggest you do that right now because you draft will certainly end up being declined. You might want to take a look at WP:NOT (particularly WP:NOTPROMO), WP:V (particularly WP:SOURCE) , WP:Referencing for beginners and WP:Your first article for some general ideas on what reviewers are looking for when they evaluate drafts and WP:NBUILDING and WP:GNG for some general information on the kinds of development projects it's usually OK to try and create articles about. You should also take a close look at WP:COI and WP:PAID if you're connected to the project in anything but a casual way: WP:PAID is particulary important if your connection is financial or somehow otherwise professional (something you're being compensated for) in nature. -- Marchjuly (talk) 06:07, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

Using institutional or project GIT repositories as references

Dear ALL, I am interested if using institutional/project GIT repositories (be it GitHub, GitLab or other) as references is OK for English Wikipedia? Thank you (please tag me in response) -- Zblace (talk) 07:36, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Zblace. These are websites where users can largely add whatever they want. Although I am certain that much of the content is valid and useful to actual developers, much of it is also malicious nonsense, or does not work properly. Caveat emptor is applicable. Websites consisting largely of User contributed content without editorial control are not accepted as reliable sources on Wikipedia. Cullen328 (talk) 07:52, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

@Cullen328 I can imagine that being the case in general, but for institutions running the project this is not the case as they both have internal editorial control and operate in different way when it comes to releasing open code, text, media...where GIT is just the format on the platform. Zblace (talk) 20:59, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

Publishing article and page creation

I have published an article on Wikipedia representing the overview of my company. But it is nominated for speedy deletion. I want help in creating a page for my company and an article. Qubicgen (talk) 07:55, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Qubicgen and welcome to the Teahouse. It is strongly discouraged to write about your company, per WP:COI. If you believe your company meets WP:NOTABILITY and would like an article about it, you can request it WP:RA. CanonNi (talk) 07:57, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

Thank You for your information. What should I do to create a page and an article for my company? Qubicgen (talk) 08:09, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

Again, you shouldn't create an article for your company, as it violates WP:COI and possibly WP:NEUTRAL. CanonNi (talk) 08:11, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

You are allowed to try. On your User page, declare that you are paid by the company (applies even if you own the company, or are an unpaid intern). The see WP:NCORP to see if the company qualifies, and WP:YFA to create and then submit a draft for a reviewer. David notMD (talk) 11:16, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

Oooop. Your account now indefinitely blocked. You can appeal the block. David notMD (talk) 11:17, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

Appeal would almost certainly fail per username policy, so not worth the bother, imho. But they could simply abandon the account and create another one that only applies to one person. Even something like Qubicgen-Joseph is admissible, I'm pretty sure, but not just Qubicgen by itself. Mathglot (talk) 01:56, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

Draft revisions

Hi,

I am working on a draft for a musician. She is mentioned in passing on other wikipedia pages so I thought she would be a good artist to try and make my first page for: Draft:Kerenza Peacock

However due to feedback on my draft already I think she may not be a good candidate for a page. The reviewer mentions the lack of independent coverage. I agree that there are not many independent journalistic sources with much detail on this musician, however she does met some of the other criterio on WP:Notability (Music) e.g singles in the national music charts, albums released with a notable record label.

I would appreciate some advice about whether this lack of significant independent coverage will mean the musician is not eligible for a Wikipedia page.

Thank you!

Lauren-Abroad (talk) 08:22, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Lauren-Abroad and welcome to the Teahouse. If an article draft is lacking independent sources, it's most likely not suitable for an article. See WP:NOTABILITY. CanonNi (talk) 08:25, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

Lauren-Abroad Hello and welcome. You say that you are "working on a draft for a musician"- are you associated with this musician?

A person can technically meet the notability criteria and still not merit an article because the sources are not there. 331dot (talk) 08:26, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

Thank you both for your replies. I see that the artist probably does not merit an article due to lack of significant independent sources. It is difficult as the artist and her music is mentioned in many independent sources but none goes into sufficient detail about the musician herself I think.

To clarify also, I am not associated with the musician, other than knowing her music and thinking she was a good candidate for my first attempt at a Wikipedia page. Lauren-Abroad (talk) 00:37, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

Draft:Malene Heerup English

My submission has not been accepted. This is the reason that was given: "he content of this submission includes material that does not meet Wikipedia's minimum standard for inline citations. Please cite your sources using footnotes. For instructions on how to do this, please see Referencing for beginners. Thank you."

Could someone have a look at the draft and be more specific? Which inline citations do not Wikipedia's minimum standard and why?

Thank you Milaefema (talk) 08:23, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Milaefema and welcome to the Teahouse. See links given in the reason for more info. CanonNi (talk) 08:27, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Milaefema: for privacy etc. reasons we have strict referencing requirements for articles on living people (WP:BLP), with inline citations to reliable published sources being required to support anything potentially contentious (which basically means any substantive statement which anyone might want to dispute or even wonder where it's come from) as well as all personal details such as DOB. You also need to ensure that the source you're citing actually supports the information against which it is cited: for example, you're stating that Malene's mother is Liselotte Taarup, but you're supporting that statement with a source (ref #6) that doesn't seem to even mention Malene. HTH, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 09:32, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

@Milaefema: In addition, the Education section has no inline citations and there are many exhibitions listed without inline citations. GoingBatty (talk) 03:55, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

Untitiled

I can not edit my bio. 197.184.183.194 (talk) 09:02, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

You cannot edit your user page because you're using an IP account. Go to Special:CreateAccount to create your own account. CanonNi (talk) 09:06, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

If by "my bio" you are referring to soemthing else, please state exactly which article you mean. For more information, please also read WP:MYBIO. Shantavira|^{feed me} 09:34, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

Also read WP:AUTO if youthink Wikipedia is a place for autobiographies (it isn't). David notMD (talk) 11:13, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

Article to approve

Hello wikipedians,

I have translated an article from French wiki for English wiki and it needs to get approved. is there anyways to speedup the process of reviewing draft articles?

Here is the draft: Draft:Leili Anvar

Many thanks

cheers Persian-art-and-culture (talk) 09:48, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

@Persian-art-and-culture: You can add {{subst:submit}} to the very top of the draft to submit it for review. It may take some time, however. You can add WikiProject tags to the draft, which may help with review speed (the template added by the code above will help you do this, under the "Improving your odds of a speedy review" header), but drafts are reviewed in no specific order. Your phrasing that it "needs" to get approved is interesting – are you compensated for your work on this draft in any way? Tollens (talk) 09:54, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

sorry, English is not my mother tongue so my message might have caused misunderstanding.

by "needs", I meant "it needs to be get approved to get published". there is no rush, I just wanted to know what is the process and how is it possible to submit drafts for reviewing.

thanks for your guidance @Tollens

cheers Persian-art-and-culture (talk) 10:04, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

Ah, okay – no problem! Tollens (talk) 10:09, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

removing banners of waesle words and missing encyclopedic tone

after doing a lot to bring this article Stephan von Huene in a better state i need help to remove those banners or find more issues to fix. thank you very much! Frau pomerenke (talk) 09:55, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

Authority control

hi Wikipedians,

why the authority control is not appearing in this page?

Draft:Leili Anvar

Persian-art-and-culture (talk) 10:08, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

I've added the Wikidata ID to the template so that it works in draftspace. Once the draft is published and connected to Wikidata it will work automatically. Tollens (talk) 10:13, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

:hover styles for elements

Is it accessible or convenient for Wikipedia to create CSS :hover styles that drastically change the content, e.g. show a hidden message or reveal additional information? —Nataliemeoww (talk) 12:27, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

@Nataliemeoww: How do you hover on a touch screen? Or on a screen reader? All information should either be accessible (i.e. visible) when a page loads, or not be in Wikipedia. MOS:DONTHIDE has some more stuff to read. And WP:ACCESSIBILITY is the overarching policy to follow. Bazza 7 (talk) 12:35, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

Got it. Thanks. —Nataliemeoww (talk) 16:13, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

Bazza_7, using Ghostery and I think most other browsers for Android etc, the effect you'd get by hovering a cursor is achieved simply by tapping the relevant area once. Such effects definitely include popups. To stop the effect, you tap there a second time. (I don't know about screen readers, and I agree with the gist of what you're saying.) -- Hoary (talk) 07:06, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

Publishing

Overwhelmed with source coding and wandering through the labrynth for answers. But, now feel my article is completed (in Sandbox) and ready to publish. Haven't a clue how to do that; see no button or menu item to proceed. Please provide easy-to-understand guidance. Thank you. Artleytoons (talk) 12:31, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Artleytoons and welcome to the Teahouse. You probably won't want to hear this but the draft feels unready for publishing, mostly because it is an autobiography and isn't very neutral. CanonNi (talk) 12:35, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

@Artleytoons Put the "code" {{subst:submit}} on top of it. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 12:50, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

Okay. Thanks for the reply. I'll take it down. Artleytoons (talk) 16:19, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

@Artleytoons: Although we generally deprecate the writing of autobiographies, you as a subject clearly meet our requirements for inclusion in Wikipedia, and what you wrote was not overly promotional. I encourage you to restore and improve it (with the emphasis on ensuring that every statement is cited to an independent source), and submit it for review. When an article about you is published, you might consider openly-licensing on of your cartoons, as an example of your work. See also WP:FAQAS. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:45, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

Sophie Ferguson

Hello, I'm French, sorry for my bad english.

Sophie Ferguson has an article in 14 languages, so I wrote her article in french, but she had a debate "Article for deletion", because the national sources of ABCNews were considered as "brèves" (sorry for this french word, I don't know the word in english). I didn't found better than these brèves in google.

My question is : as english-speakers, can you find, in national or international sources, articles about this australian tenniswoman that I didn't find? Or maybe you know a journalist in a national journal that can write a biography of her? Thank you very much for your searches and your answers. :) Slzbg (talk) 12:49, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello, welcome to the teahouse. This is mainly a problem with the requirements at the French language Wikipedia, whose deletion discussion can be found here here fr:Discussion:Sophie Ferguson/Admissibilité; the article seems to run afoul of the French equivalent of Wikipedia:WikiProject Tennis. Looking at the deletion discussion: I am not sure if more sources might save the french article from deletion. Si vous avez encore des questions: je suis bien capable de répondre en francais. Lectonar (talk) 14:06, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

@Slzbg: I think "brèves" might be related to the English word "brevity", meaning the property of being "brief" or "not in-depth". On this Wikipedia, we refer to the opposite as "significant coverage". Perhaps you can use some of the sources or external links on our article, Sophie Ferguson? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:19, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for your answers Lectonar and Pigsonthewing ^^ You found the right word : these are briefs, they can be found here. Unfortunately, sources like WTA, ITF or Tennis Australia are not articles of press, so they don't help for admissibility in french. There are rules about tennis, that's right, but there are "Critères d'admissibilité des articles" too, and if two articles in a national journal exist, the critères can overpass the rules of tennis. Slzbg (talk) 16:08, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

Wikidata template on the Konversation page

Hi. Could anyone fluent in wikidata fix {{wikidata}} at the Konversation article, please? The first 2 references show up with an error right now. Thank you Comte0 (talk) 14:27, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

@Comte0, this is a problem for many articles. See the current discussion here at Module talk:Wd. StarryGrandma (talk) 19:26, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

@Comte0:  Fixed; the title parameters for the references were missing on the Wikidata item. Andumé (talk) 20:24, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

Thanks @I Am Andumé: ! Comte0 (talk) 08:46, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

How to submit an article

How can I submit an article Jaideep Jaideep johar (talk) 16:47, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello. The Article Wizard may be used to create and submit a draft, but be advised that it will be challenging; please use the tutorial to learn more about Wikipedia first, and maybe edit some existing articles so you learn more about what is expected of article content. 331dot (talk) 16:56, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

Jaideep johar, please read Your first article. I suggest that you spend some time improving existing articles before starting a new article. Cullen328 (talk) 16:57, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

Shutting down language wikis

Does the Wikimedia organization (meta:PCP) intend to start shutting down wikis in lesser used languages once most people who speak that language also speak a more popular language?

As in, will they shut down Waray when everyone speaks Tagalog? Or shut down Balinese when everyone speaks Bahasa Indonesia? 2601:644:907E:A450:6880:AABA:EB23:E716 (talk) 17:02, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

I would say probably not. One of the criteria for shutting down a project is that few editors fluent in that language are active, but not that most of its editors are also fluent in some other language. As long as there are enough editors willing and able to maintain a project, it usually carries on. I can't speak to any of the specific wikis you've mentioned, though. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 17:09, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

Theater or theatre?

So I am writing an article about a theater in Barcelona, and I am unsure which spelling I should use. GoldenBootWizard276 (talk) 17:29, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

WP:COMMONNAME should work. Use the name most commonly used by sources, if it's unclear what the most common is I'd say just use the name the organisation uses. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 17:36, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

@GoldenBootWizard276 The article Barcelona uses "theatre" in three places, so that seems best. More importantly, articles should be consistent. See also WP:ENGVAR. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:36, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

To note, there are also three articles in this section that use "Teatre". CommissarDoggo^Talk? 17:40, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

Those are their proper names in Spanish. We should refer to those institutions by their proper name as a title, but choose which English spelling to use for descriptive prose. For example, "The Teatre Lliure is a theatre in Barcelona ..." Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 18:08, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

Yes, that's what the wikidata entry for Teatre Victòria does. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:13, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

Draft:Theory Of Every Language

Hello! I recently published a page called "Theory of Every Language" which talks about a theory proposed by Albanian language enthusiast and author, Agron Dalipaj. I put every detail there, and I also put the books where he talks about this theory, on the "Reference" page. It still got denied and was put as a draft because "I didn't provide any sources" which I did put the sources. Someone help me please. Thank you!

Draft:Theory Of Every Language Andi Atdhetari (talk) 19:52, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

@Andi Atdhetari: You provided sources—that's great. But they have to be inline, like the little blue numbers you see in Wikipedia articles: The point of that is that the reader needs to know which sources verify which sentences.

Secondly, there's source reliability. Anyone can publish a book—we need to know that the sources cited are reliable, that is to say trustworthy.

Finally, there's what Wikipedia calls "notability", but a better name (I forget who came up with this) would be "already-published-about-ness". Wikipedia isn't for something someone came up with one day, it's about topic that have significant coverage in multiple, reliable sources which are independent from the subject. Right now, you've got multiple sources, I assume there's significant coverage within them, but you don't have any sources independent from the subject—you need to show that other people are talking about this idea.

Pinging the reviewer Wikishovel, in case they have anything to add. Cheers, Cremastra (talk) 20:09, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

Helloo, Andi Atdehtari. Another way to put what Cremastra said is: Wikipedia has little interest in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is almost entirely interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. If enough material is cited from independent sources to establish notability, a limited amount of uncontroversial factual information may be added from non-independent sources. ColinFine (talk) 22:08, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

References

Also have a look at Proto-human language. Lectonar (talk) 12:43, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

Twinkle languages

I noticed that the Twinkle automated system for non-English welcomes does not support some languages for which we have a template, such as Italian and Hindi. Can this be fixed? Kind regards 14 novembre (talk) 🇮🇹 20:25, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

@14 novembre: Try requesting the addition of the missing templates either at WT:Twinkle, or at Twinkle's GitHub page Andumé (talk) 00:10, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

@I Am Andumé Thanks 14 novembre (talk) 🇮🇹 11:18, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

History

It is made up of 28 states and 8 union territories and its national capital is new delhi 197.90.65.250 (talk) 21:12, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello IP editor, welcome to the Teahouse. Do you have a question about using or editing Wikipedia? 57.140.16.57 (talk) 21:14, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

Deepika Padukone 197.90.65.250 (talk) 21:15, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello again IP editor. Have you a question about editing the article Deepika Padukone? ColinFine (talk) 22:10, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

create a page

hi there. i want to create a page of translation. its the english version of masjedsoleyman municipality. this personal draft is the translated version and i want somebody with permission create this page or give me permission to create pages.

thanks AMIR 121 (talk) 23:04, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

@AMIR 121: Welcome to the Teahouse. If you believe it's ready to be moved to articlespace, you can add {{subst:submit}} to the top of the page so that an articles for creation reviewer can take a look at it. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 00:01, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

AMIR 121, when you think it's ready, add {{Subst:Submit}} to the top of it. NB it's not ready now: (i) perhaps I'm stupider than the average reader, but I had to read quite some way before understanding that this is about a place in Iran; (ii) it confuses two year-numbering systems; (iii) it presents a lot of information that lacks references; and (perhaps most importantly) (iv) if this is an organization that runs Masjed Soleyman (and does little more), then it's not at all clear to me why the draft can't be stripped of relative trivia, greatly abridged, summarized, and added within the article Masjed Soleyman. -- Hoary (talk) 00:09, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

i just edit the dates in article. and its better to have a seperate page fpr municiality or i can add this to the original page of masjedsoleyman city ??? AMIR 121 (talk) 07:07, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

AMIR 121, both "city" and "municipality" have a wide range of meanings. I don't know how these terms differ in the context of Iran. Perhaps most of the people reading this ("Teahouse") page don't know either. Wait a couple of days to see if anyone who's knowledgable makes an informed comment here. If no such comments come, perhaps ask at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Iran. -- Hoary (talk) 12:22, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

fair use question

The article on the painter Laura Knight has a fair use image of Self Portrait with Nude, which also has an article, but no image. File:Self-Portrait with a Nude by Dame Laura Knight.jpg Can the image be used twice or should it be moved from Laura Knight to Self Portrait with Nude? courtesy ping to Crisco 1492 so no toes are stepped on. Thanks for any advice or opinion of policy. WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 23:11, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

WomenArtistUpdates, it can be used twice. Each use must be specified, and argued for, on the page File:Self-Portrait with a Nude by Dame Laura Knight.jpg. Arguing for its inclusion within the article Self Portrait with Nude should be a doddle. (The argument for its inclusion in the article Laura Knight could perhaps be fortified somewhat.) -- Hoary (talk) 00:18, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

Thanks Hoary! Could you possibly point me to a fair use image used twice for me to use as an example? Not quite sure how I would do as you suggest. --WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 00:22, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello @WomenArtistUpdates, here is an example of a non-free, image used in two different articles, with two different non-free "fair use" rationales.File:Tina Bell, grunge musician from Seattle.jpg Hope that helps! Netherzone (talk) 00:34, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

Perfect! Thanks Netherzone! --WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 00:40, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

@WomenArtistUpdates: Just to expand on what's been posted above, while it's true that non-free use content be used multiple times as long as each use satisfies all ten of the non-free content use criteria listed here, a single use of non-free content is already considered to be quite an exception to WP:COPY#Guidelines for images and other media use which means each additional use is going to be considered to be even more of an exception. Since part of the non-free content use policy requires us to try and minimize non-free use as much as we can, it is generally preferred per item 6 of WP:NFC#UUI to use the image where it is most encyclopedically relevant and then use alternative ways (e.g. wikilinks and hatnotes) to connect references to that image in other pages to the primary page. So, in this case, the main use of the file would be in Self Portrait with Nude since that is about the work in question and the image should most definitely be used there; this, however, makes the other use in Laura Knight not as encyclopedically necessary as before and changes the justification for that particular use. In other words, simply linking that section to the article about the work is probably more than sufficient per WP:FREER.

Now having posted that, you might want to ask about the copyright status of this particular painting at c:Commons:Village pump/Copyright because there's a good chance that this painting has already entered into the public domain given its age and might no longer need to be licensed as non-free content even though the National Portrait Gallery might be claiming copyright ownership over the painting. For some background on this, you might want to take a look at National Portrait Gallery and Wikimedia Foundation copyright dispute. Commons policy is pretty much to ignore the claim being made by the NPG when it comes to copyright claims of older works and instead treat them as public domain.

Finally, it best to try to avoid confusing fair use (fair dealing) and non-free content use when discussing this type of thing on Wikipedia. Although Wikipedia's non-free content use policy is based on fair use (fair dealing), it's been set up to be much stricter with its own set of criteria. Everything used as non-free content almost certain meets the conditions for fair use (fair dealing), the same cannot be said moving in the other direction. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:28, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

there's a good chance that this painting has already entered into the public domain given its age Given that Laura Knight was a British artist and died in 1970 it is certainly still in copyright in the UK, and therefore not public domain for Wikimedia Commons' purposes (which requires works to be PD in the source country and the US).

However, it's quite possible that it is PD in the US, in which case it could be uploaded to en.wikipedia – WP:Media copyright questions is probably the best plast to ask about that. The question comes down to whether the painting was "published" before 1929 – if you can find a book or exhibition catalogue from before that time where a picture of the painting was included, then that definitely counts; if you can prove it was exhibited to the general public before 1929 then I believe that also counts as publication. Caeciliusinhorto-public (talk) 10:05, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

WomenArtistUpdates, I don't retract anything that I wrote, but Marchjuly's explanation is far superior and is what I might have written had I been more thoughtful and energetic. -- Hoary (talk) 04:51, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

What to look for when editing Articles?

Hello, I am new to Wikipedia and want to contribute in the correct manner. I would really appreciate advice on how to contribute and make successful edits on articles/pages. What signs or tips do we look for in articles when editing is prompted? Qb1Coach (talk) 00:58, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

You've made a promising start, Qb1Coach. However, if a cited web page fails to verify the assertion(s) that it immediately follows, better to start by checking (via the Wayback Machine) whether an earlier version does do the job. If it does, change the reference to point to that earlier version; if it does not, use the "Failed verification" template, at least for the short term. Or of course you can google for an alternative, solid source for the assertion(s), and cite that (or those) instead of the dud web page. -- Hoary (talk) 04:59, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

Best practices for addressing an ill-advised "undo"?

I'm puzzled, because someone randomly undid an edit that was perfectly good, rather than editing constructively to make the page better. Then the person left the blunt comment, "Not an improvement." I think they may not realize that I created the whole page, either... the person might have thought I was just a casual editor who did something they didn't like, but even then "undo" was not called for. The person simply could have edited it to their liking.

I found this page, Wikipedia:Revert only when necessary, that describes how I feel about being reverted unnecessarily. My first impulse was to click "undo," but that could seem either childish or as though I felt ownership over the page, which I absolutely do not. I'm happy to gift it to Wikipedia forever, and leave it to other editors to improve, but what that particular editor did felt like a flip off. I also checked that person's talk page and saw that they have been banned in the past (plagiarism), but then got un-banned.

Thoughts? Suggestions? What are best practices for addressing this? I feel that I should not let this person's "undo" and "Not an improvement" stand, but I don't want to commit more sin than I am calling out. And I certainly don't want to provoke anyone. I'm a peace activist. Fortunaa (talk) 01:19, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

@Fortunaa: Best practice is to follow WP:BRD and discuss it with the other editor on the article's talk page. You were bold and made an edit, the other editor reverted, next step is discussion. RudolfRed (talk) 01:32, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, this is perfect. I will go do that now. Fortunaa (talk) 01:36, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

When looking for references while editing

Where is a reliable search engine we should usually use when we do our research? Wikipedia itself, google, etc.? Qb1Coach (talk) 02:14, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

An easy one is Google News, Apple News, or some other news aggregator, which will bring up a lot of sources. It's important that for a Wikipedia article these be reliable though. You can visit WP:RSP for a database of some commonly discussed reliable/unreliable sources. If you can't find it there, ask another editor, or trust your judgement of a source and WP:BEBOLD and use it. TLA^tlak 02:20, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

Google Scholar is also a useful resource. Once you have 500 edits and your account is 6 months old, you can access WP:The Wikipedia Library, where you can access normally-paid resources for free. Ca ^{talk to me!} 06:04, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

I also like the Internet Archive at archive.org. They scan a lot of free books, including recent ones, and they're a great resource for out-of-copyright stuff. They aren't super user-friendly, though, so you have to know to choose the section option, "search text contents," for most searches after you put something in. And putting quote marks around specific words and phrases is helpful if you want to make sure you only get (for example) "Beverly Hills" and not every appearance of the word hills.

Other great archives are loc.gov (US Library of Congress), and hathitrust.org (a big, full-text database of older material).Fortunaa (talk) 10:05, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

@Qb1Coach: it gladdens my heart to see a new editor taking the need for good sources so seriously! Another resource I have found helpful is my local library. They have access to resources beyond what we mere mortals can do...--Gronk Oz (talk) 11:56, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

For when you're just looking for more recent information or sources, just searching for keywords and sorting by a time frame is pretty useful. For example, when I look for newer sources for 2020–2022 catalytic converter theft ring I just search up "catalytic converter theft ring" on Google, hit news and go to "Tools" and search by time.

It may seem obvious to some, but I didn't actually realise you could sort by time frames before Wikipedia.

As another useful tip, when you come across a paywalled source, use archive.is. If you archive the page through that it'll bypass it. That also works for stuff that's region locked, like if you're in Europe and are trying to access some US news sources. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 12:19, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

Manticore anti Islam

In 1900 Muslims only numbered 200 million followers or 12% of the world population. This percentage drastically increased over the last 100 years due to higher birth rate in Muslim majority countries. Pew Research have estimated the number will be around 2.2 billion in 2030 and 2.8 billion, or 30 percent of world population, in 2050.

In Muslim world article user Manticore had deleted this sentences with different reason. First he claimed it was out of topic, poor written (it could targetted non English contributors), and wikipedia not a Crystal Glass (but in Religion Growth Population had cited Pew Research estimated). Please help to improve Muslim world article — Preceding unsigned comment added by 103.121.18.126 (talk) 06:09, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

This page is for asking questions on how to edit Wikipedia. If you have suggestions on how to improve an article, but make them on the article talk page. Shantavira|^{feed me} 08:12, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

The article Muslim world already has references for population and percent of world population in 2020. Predictions for the future are not warranted. The fact that editor Manticore deleted that text and reference is not anti-Islam. There is a population discussion on the Talk page of the article, which is the proper place. David notMD (talk) 11:51, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

References

IP trouble

I have discovered that my Cellular IP address has ben blocked. At first i thought my whole account had been wrongfully blocked, however i soon discovered it was only my cellular ip that had bern blocked, (I manly use my phone). Anyways, thinking that my whole account was blocked, i filled out a ticket appeal, only after i filled it out and switched to my internet wifi, did i find out it was only my cellular. My question for whoever responds to this, is should i remove the appeal, (if it’s even possible), or should i leave the appeal up, in the hopes that my cellular ip will be unblocked. BigRed606 (talk) 06:43, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

@BigRed606: Where is this appeal posted? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:57, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

How to create English page for a existed Chinese page?

The Chinese page existed already, I just want to add the option of English content but can't find the way. The English content is simply the direct translation of the exisiting Chinese content. Why is there a problem of creditibility, if the Chinese content is good to publish? So do all other celebrities pages now published? I hope you can provide useful link for immediate editing or correction, but not direct user to guideline reading and reading. Thank you!

Page concerned: https://zh.wikipedia.org/zh-hk/%E6%BD%98%E5%AE%87%E8%AC%99 Paksiu (talk) 10:01, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

@Paksiu If your Draft:Poon Yu Him, Anson was a direct translation from the Chinese article you have linked (which I can't confirm since I don't speak Chinese), then you have made the mistake of assuming that the English Wikipedia works to the same rules as the Chinese-language WIkipedia: it doesn't! In particular, for biographies of living people it is mandatory here to provide inline citations to all facts likely to be disputed, even simple things like date of birth. Your draft has no citations at all, so no way for anyone to verify that what is stated is backed up by reliable sources. Please read carefully all the policy pages I have linked. Finally, if your draft is a simple translation, you must credit its source as being the Chinese version: see WP:TRANSLATE. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:22, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

I speak Chinese and I can confirm that the draft is a partial direct translation of some sections of the Chinese version. However, the Chinese version cites multiple sources inline and links to other articles, while the English draft doesn't. CanonNi (talk) 10:42, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

Small letters in references

Hello. I was wondering why some references have small superscripted letters after the ^ character, such as "a b" or "a b c". Thank you. Grammarius (talk) 10:03, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Grammarius and welcome to the Teahouse. The letters indicate that the reference has been used multiple times in the article. CanonNi (talk) 10:06, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello, I was wondering what are some examples of Reliable sources for an article? Bally125 (talk) 14:25, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

@Bally125 As a start, see WP:RSPS. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:30, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Grammarius. As CanonNi, says, these are multiple uses of the reference, and are genrated automatically when named references are used. ColinFine (talk) 11:37, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

@Grammarius: Each letter links to a place the reference is used. If it's only used once then there is no need for this and the link is on the ^ character. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:49, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

Free Licensed Images

Heyo! I just wanted to ask how you license an image for free. How do I take an image I own and then release it under a license? There doesn't seem to be an answer with one Google search

Thanks, y'all!

MarinaTheRanger (talk) 15:42, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

@MarinaTheRanger Assuming "I own" means you actually have the copyright, like with a photo you have taken yourself, start here: Upload Wizard. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:02, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! And yes, by 'own', I mean a picture I took myself.

Many thanks from the Ranger from the Sea~!

MarinaTheRanger (talk) 16:13, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

Issue using an image from Russian Wikimedia

I have discovered an image on Wikimedia in Russian (Шпильки обложка.jpg - link here) that I wanted to add to an article (Szpilki). However, when I have tried to include it in the infobox it seems that it doesn't recognise the file. Not sure what the issue is - can anyone help?! Wikociewie (talk) 15:47, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

Much like English Wikipedia, Russian Wikipedia can use images from Wikimedia Commons, but Wikimedia Commons cannot use images from Russian Wikipedia. The file seems to have been added there under a non-free use case. As to which is being used here, I'm not sure, but the use cases would be similar here on EnWiki. Please see the non-free content criteria for more info. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 15:58, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

@Wikociewie That is a non-free image. I assume you want to use it as leadimage at Szpilki, which should be fine. You have to upload it locally on en-WP. Go to WP:FUW and choose "Upload a non-free file". Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:59, 3 April 2024 (UTC)