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Hello @Melroross:, I have reverted your recent additions as they come from an unreliable source, the tourism board of Andalusia is not a scholarly peer reviewed source, and they contradict the established consensus that is built upon over 12 academic sources from the top Flamenco historians. I would recommend looking over the very extensive discussions that have led to the current consensus. If you’d like to change the current consensus, please start a talk page discussion that presents reliable sources that could be used to consider a new consensus. Cheers. TagaworShah (talk) 20:23, 11 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I won't entertain this kind of narrative whereby Flamenco is attributed to the Roma people- which it isn't. It is Southern Spanish and I shall, with more time and passing this sort of watchdog censorship which attempts by any means possible to separate 'Spanish' from Middle-Eastern, using in this instance the Romas. Quite laughable. Melroross (talk) 22:37, 12 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Melroross: Wikipedia is not a soapbox for your opinions on what narratives are correct or incorrect to be included, we base articles on reliable historical scholarship. The current consensus version was based on an entire month of extensive conversation that involved dozens of reliable historical sources, none of which I may add support the changes you are trying to make. Please remember to be civil, Wikipedia is not a battleground, comments should be focused on discussing the content based on reliable sources, not negating the work of other editors based on your own personal opinions. Also, “Romas” is not a word, the word Roma is already plural. Again, there is currently an established consensus in place based on peer reviewed reliably published flamenco specialists. If you want to change the current consensus, please bring forward any reliable sources to create a new one. If not, I will not support any additions based on poorly sourced information that contradicts the multitude of reliable sources present. TagaworShah (talk) 06:46, 13 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

You sound very desperate to try and impose YOUR tunnel-vision viewpoints. Research and researchers can manipulate the truth if looking for or trying to discard specific data. One reminder: who are you or anyone to that fact, to dictate what is a reliable, impartial source? Wikipedia is open to everyone to contribute to. Try bearing that in mind. Seasons Greetings! Melroross (talk) 10:34, 13 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Melroross: This is an encyclopedia not a forum, what constitutes a reliable source is clearly layed out for us in the Wikipedia guidelines (WP:RS), I would suggest you go take a look at them. If you believe that researchers are somehow “twisting” the truth, im afraid Wikipedia is not the place to right great wrongs, here we go by what the consensus among academic sources is, not user input of what the consider to be right or wrong. While Wikipedia is open to everyone, there are certain guidelines, reliable sourcing and consensus being huge ones, that editors must follow, this is not a forum, try bearing that in mind. And please stop casting aspersions about my “viewpoints,” you don’t know my viewpoints, I am focused on what the sources say because I am here to build and accurate and reliable encyclopedia. TagaworShah (talk) 14:00, 13 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Flamenco has Arabic origin in Andalucia

Flamenco comes from two Arabic words Fala(h) (which is even mentioned on the Sala/Solea/daily prayer and Manco (b) devastated, the Moors or Arab Muslims hid their belief during end of Al Andalus and they were powerless, had only their hands to clap and their feet to his the floor and their voice to cry of sadness. Why is it not mentioned ? 2A00:801:76C:A088:8418:5E64:BEE9:4768 (talk) 12:24, 6 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. (CC) Tbhotch^™ 05:22, 7 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Gaps

Admittedly flamenco is a rich and complex topic, and there may be many things inadvertently left out of this article. One of the glaring gaps to me, is the skipping of virtually an entire generatino of flamenco artists, between thf Franco years and the "New flamenco". It seems that we jump from Ramón Montoya in the early 20th century directly to Paco de Lucía in the early 21st.

What about the era from the mid- to late 20th century when flamenco was being introduced and popularized in teh western world through the tireless efforts of artists like Sabicas, Niño Ricardo, Manitas de Plata, and Diego del Gastor? Or Carlos Montoya, about whom Wikipedia's own article says "a founder of the modern-day popular flamenco style of music"?

I realize that these artists and their contemporaries in flamenco have their critics, but they are, nonetheless, and integral part of the history and development of the genre. After all, if you're OK with including Paco -- who branched out to play with Santana, Al Dimeola, and John McLaughlin -- surely this missing generation should also have a place. (Ricardo was, in fact, one of Paco's teachers.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.95.43.253 (talk) 02:47, 10 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Feel free to add any new content that you feel is relevant to the article with the proper sources! Wikipedia articles are works in process and we always welcome new contributions. Let me know if you have any questions on how to contribute. Best, TagaworShah (talk) 03:19, 10 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The moorish roots of flamenco

No expert on flamenco or Spanish/Arab/Muslim music/history but the obvious connections to Spains moorish past, for anyone with the slightest theoretical understanding of music, must seem really white-washed away in the current text. Can someone with unbiased knowledge about the subject please expand the article covering that, imho., very important influence? Siggimund (talk) 13:08, 25 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Considering that music and dance was haram back then, I doubt it, 46.15.65.198 (talk) 15:43, 8 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Opera only paid 3%? Of what?

Hi, what is meant by "This denomination was an economic strategy of the promoters, since opera only paid 3% while variety shows paid 10%"? Taxes? If yes, which tax? 2A0A:A541:7977:0:A984:8567:BDAD:3CEC (talk) 09:32, 24 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Citation Style?

Hello!

The article uses both Harvard citations and Superscript citations (Superscript in the beginning, but it deviates later on, when talking about the Palos). I appreciate that both are allowed, on Wikipedia, but are both allowed within one article? I thought this would violate rules about consistency within an article? If this should be fixed I can, just asking if there is something I have missed. Thanks! Dagueneau (talk) 18:10, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]