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Claims about "skunk" attack

The claim that protestors were sprayed with skunk, "a foul-smelling spray usually used as crowd control by the Israel Defense Forces," currently sourced with an article from the Middle East Eye, needs some clarification. This statement is presented as established fact, but the Columbia Daily Spectator and the Jerusalem Post have both reported on a lawsuit from the student involved in which he asserts that he sprayed a fart-spray he purchased from Amazon. BrokeBoneGrinder (talk) 04:17, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This claim doesn't require clarification, it requires deletion. "Skunk" is an Israeli developed, non-lethal law enforcement product that is unavailable to the Israeli public, let alone to anyone in the US. "Middle East Eye" is a well-known source of biased, anti-Israel information, and this false, sensational "chemical attack" claim has sadly made it around the world - Wikipedia should definitely not be repeating it. 2A0D:6FC7:204:6A8B:2D89:3499:E21E:D85 (talk) 14:49, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Cherrypicked Response section?

Is everyone condemning the occupation? Noone in support? The Response section looks like it was made to deliberately include only the response that condemn the occupation. 2A02:85F:E058:1000:8CB0:8FDA:A957:83E9 (talk) 13:55, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The vast majority of government authorities in the United States are solidly pro-Israel. Evaporation123 (talk) 23:16, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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It has been proposed in this section that 2024 Columbia University pro-Palestinian campus occupations be renamed and moved to Gaza Solidarity Encampment.

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2024 Columbia University pro-Palestinian campus occupation → Gaza Solidarity Encampment – Name given to the protest by the protesters. MountainDew20 (talk) 19:15, 22 April 2024 (UTC) [reply]

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Disagree. Current name is more descriptive than proposed and proposed violates our commitment to a neutral point of view. But, the current is too long. Maybe once the year is over it could be moved to 2024 Columbia University protests or something else that's descriptive with the benefit of hindsight. Uhoj (talk) 21:47, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There still should be a better, shorter name like "Columbia University pro-Palestinian occupation" or "2024 Columbia University Protests". MountainDew20 (talk) 23:32, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ignore this, I saw you said the same. MountainDew20 (talk) 23:33, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The problem with "2024 Columbia University protests" is that there have been multiple 2024 protests at Columbia before 17 April, for example over the skunk attack incident in January. This ongoing protest is different because of the nature of how it is being conducted (a campus occupation). Evaporation123 (talk) 23:40, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Disagree: Not everyone protesting on the Columbia campus is part of the encampment, such as the faculty that recently walked out in support of the students. Perfecnot (talk) 21:59, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose we don't have to use the official name of things, and the overall scope of this article is wider than just the encampment. Elli (talk | contribs) 22:34, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose, Gaza Solidarity Encampment redirects to this page anyways, and the scope of the article is beyond just the area of tents being that there is activity all over campus and around its perimeter as well. Evaporation123 (talk) 23:18, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose we should use the name commonly used in the sources. User:Sawerchessread (talk) 01:08, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose due to NPOV name without adequate justification, and different name used by RS. FortunateSons (talk) 07:59, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Background could be read to mean that it's outside agitators making their way to Columbia rather than students of the university. Here's one way to clarify the situation:

Uhoj (talk) 21:39, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done Elli (talk | contribs) 22:35, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Violence against Jewish students

The article fails to mention the violence and rampant antisemitism against Jewish students at the university. One Jewish student was stabbed in the eye with a flag pole, whereas other students chanted "Fuck you Yehudis," and "Go back to Poland."

This article is extremely one-sided, and biased and fails to mention WHY the university is taking action against the protests in the place. There's a reason the rabbi at the university told the Jewish students to go home. It is literally unsafe for them.

The article needs to address this, now. 72.78.76.172 (talk) 00:51, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Extremely biased title

The title should be changed from "pro-Palestinian" to "anti-Israel." The anti-Semitic protests are solely about demonizing Israel and Jews and promoting grossly anti-Semitic blood libels, such as false claims of genocide against Israel. There is nothing about promoting "Palestinians." — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dail'Liss tree (talk • contribs) 03:07, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Antisemitism

Why do you not add all the antisemitism that happened in the protest? "Remember the 7th of October "That will happen not one more time, not five more times, not 10 more times, not 100 more times, not 1000 more times, but 10,000 times!" "we are Hamas" this seems like something you would want to add to a post. Don’t make history one sided. Goldskys (talk) 10:37, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Goldskys Welcome to Wikipedia! Everything here is written by people like you. There's no staff of writers to tell: "this seems like something you would want to add to a post."

Please write some new content for this article if it seems like there's something missing. Post what you write here along with exactly where it should be inserted. Uhoj (talk) 18:52, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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As stated above in the Claims about "skunk" attack discussion topic, the claim that student protestors were attacked with an Israeli Defense Forces chemical agent ("skunk") is disputed. I propose the following clarification:

BrokeBoneGrinder (talk) 17:31, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ ^a ^b "'Negligence': Columbia students furious at university after skunk water doused on protesters". Middle East Eye. Retrieved 2024-04-19.
^ Tress, Luke (2024-02-02). "Thousands of activists gather outside Columbia U to protest treatment of campus pro-Palestinian groups". Jewish Telegraphic Agency. Retrieved 2024-03-11.
^ Khalifeh, Ramsey (2024-01-23). "NYPD investigating claims that pro-Palestinian protesters at Columbia were hit with 'skunk spray'". Gothamist. Retrieved 2024-01-24.
^ Tress, Luke (2024-02-02). "Thousands of activists gather outside Columbia U to protest treatment of campus pro-Palestinian groups". Jewish Telegraphic Agency. Retrieved 2024-03-11.
^ King, Wyatt; Gregor-Splaver, Gabriella; Heath, Elliot; Mendell, Chris; Salinas, Maggie; Pillai, Dashika; Zuloaga, Joseph; Ramirez, Isabella; Karam, Esha (24 January, 2024). "'Serious crimes': A pro-Palestinian rally turned site of police investigation, in photos and videos". Columbia Spectator. Spectator Publishing Company. Retrieved 23 April 2024. {{cite news}}: Check date values in: |date= (help)
^ Khalifeh, Ramsey (2024-01-23). "NYPD investigating claims that pro-Palestinian protesters at Columbia were hit with 'skunk spray'". Gothamist. Retrieved 2024-01-24.
^ Forgash, Emily; Mendell, Chris (17 April, 2024). "Student accused of alleged chemical spray sues Columbia, claims substance was 'non-toxic fart spray'". Columbia Spectator. Spectator Publishing Company. Retrieved 23 April 2024. {{cite news}}: Check date values in: |date= (help)
^ Otterman, Sharon (17 April, 2024). "Here are some of the recent antisemitism allegations against Columbia". The New York Times. The New York Times Company. Retrieved 23 April 2024. {{cite news}}: Check date values in: |date= (help)

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change: "The protests encouraged other actions at New York University and Yale University." to "The protests encouraged other actions at New York University, Yale University, MIT, Tufts University, Emerson College, and University of Michigan." Oldhum (talk) 20:33, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[:1-1] "'Negligence': Columbia students furious at university after skunk water doused on protesters". Middle East Eye. Retrieved 2024-04-19.

[2] Tress, Luke (2024-02-02). "Thousands of activists gather outside Columbia U to protest treatment of campus pro-Palestinian groups". Jewish Telegraphic Agency. Retrieved 2024-03-11.

[3] Khalifeh, Ramsey (2024-01-23). "NYPD investigating claims that pro-Palestinian protesters at Columbia were hit with 'skunk spray'". Gothamist. Retrieved 2024-01-24.

[4] Tress, Luke (2024-02-02). "Thousands of activists gather outside Columbia U to protest treatment of campus pro-Palestinian groups". Jewish Telegraphic Agency. Retrieved 2024-03-11.

[5] King, Wyatt; Gregor-Splaver, Gabriella; Heath, Elliot; Mendell, Chris; Salinas, Maggie; Pillai, Dashika; Zuloaga, Joseph; Ramirez, Isabella; Karam, Esha (24 January, 2024). "'Serious crimes': A pro-Palestinian rally turned site of police investigation, in photos and videos". Columbia Spectator. Spectator Publishing Company. Retrieved 23 April 2024. {{cite news}}: Check date values in: |date= (help)

[6] Khalifeh, Ramsey (2024-01-23). "NYPD investigating claims that pro-Palestinian protesters at Columbia were hit with 'skunk spray'". Gothamist. Retrieved 2024-01-24.

[7] Forgash, Emily; Mendell, Chris (17 April, 2024). "Student accused of alleged chemical spray sues Columbia, claims substance was 'non-toxic fart spray'". Columbia Spectator. Spectator Publishing Company. Retrieved 23 April 2024. {{cite news}}: Check date values in: |date= (help)

[8] Otterman, Sharon (17 April, 2024). "Here are some of the recent antisemitism allegations against Columbia". The New York Times. The New York Times Company. Retrieved 23 April 2024. {{cite news}}: Check date values in: |date= (help)