Jump to content

Talk:Dave Stewart (musician, born 1950)

Page contents not supported in other languages.
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This is an old revision of this page, as edited by Necrothesp (talk | contribs) at 07:44, 24 April 2024 (→Requested move 12 April 2024). The present address (URL) is a permanent link to this revision, which may differ significantly from the current revision.

Untitled

The article reads more like a review of Stewart's career then an objective view over his work. It is actually an interesting read, but it doesn't fit in an encyclopedia I think. - Velour 04:31, 28 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It's incomplete.. When I've finished it it will be more encyclopaedic (Nighttripper 16:21, 20 February 2006 (UTC))[reply]

It was almost all POV. I've removed most of the bio. Chiok 14:17, 23 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I've re-written the bio and removed the POV tag. Bondegezou 10:13, 25 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I've added Khan to the discography

Does he play trombone? I ask because a David Stewart plays trombone on Michael Nyman's The Cook, the Thief, His Wife & Her Lover, or is this yet another British musician like David A. Stewart, only not notable enough to have his own Wikipedia article? --Scottandrewhutchins (talk) 00:23, 22 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 12 April 2024

– Both of these titles are ambiguous with Dave Stewart (Eurythmics). Don't like the proposed title for the second case but I'm unable to come up with anything else. This was originally brought up on WP:DISCORD. * Pppery * it has begun... 03:07, 12 April 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. – robertsky (talk) 16:15, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: The third page, Dave Stewart (Eurythmics), was added by – robertsky (talk) for further consideration at 16:37, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Relisting comment: Reopened the discussion due to a related request at RM/TR. – robertsky (talk) 16:15, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@162 etc., @Btspurplegalaxy, @Doomsdayer520, @Pppery, @Ortizesp, @Necrothesp: I have reopened the discussion in light of another request at RM/TR. – robertsky (talk) 16:40, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The Eurthymics dab move was suggested by Btspurplegalaxy in the RM/TR discussion.
The Dynamite dab move was suggested by me in the RM/TR discussion, upon further search on Google, with rationale as follows: possible to slide this under WP:ABOUTSELF: David Stewart (English producer, born 1989)? He had been wishing himself happy birthday on his social 32 in 2021, and 33 in 2022 around December each year, and his sister had referred to him has her older brother by five years in various interviews in 2022 and in 2017. She's born in Jan 1995, while if his socials are right, Dec 1989. While we tend to go by calendar year for age calculation, their natural age difference is 5 years and 1-2 months apart. Anecdotally, I have known of Dec-Jan siblings counting it this way as well..
However, Pppery felt that the rationale is a bit too OR-y.
Per David Stewart (footballer, born 1869) and some other examples at the David Stewart disambig page, I believe the next option here would be David Stewart (producer, born XXXX). Unfortunately his year of birth is not given in the article (or in his father's article) and I can't find it in any reliable source. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 13:06, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I recommend updating the reference to Dave Stewart (Eurythmics) to either Dave Stewart (English musician, born 1952) or simply Dave Stewart (musician, born 1952). This ensures clear disambiguation, as Dave Stewart's birthdate cannot be verified, leaving only the producer disambiguation. Btspurplegalaxy 💬 🖊️ 14:34, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Btspurplegalaxy, @Doomsdayer520: possible to slide this under WP:ABOUTSELF: David Stewart (English producer, born 1989)? He had been wishing himself happy birthday on his social 32 in 2021, and 33 in 2022 around December each year, and his sister had referred to him has her older brother by five years in various interviews in 2022 and in 2017. She's born in Jan 1995, while if his socials are right, Dec 1989. While we tend to go by calendar year for age calculation, their natural age difference is 5 years and 1-2 months apart. Anecdotally, I have known of Dec-Jan siblings counting it this way as well. – robertsky (talk) 16:57, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with you. Btspurplegalaxy 💬 🖊️ 17:44, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This feels a bit too OR-y for my taste. And in any event as the current title resulted from a seven-day move discussion any new moves would need one as well. * Pppery * it has begun... 17:57, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Robertsky: It seems that there is some debate about this, and the closure of the RM[1] may have been premature. I urge you to consider undoing the close and relisting. 162 etc. (talk) 18:37, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@162 etc. different pair of articles though? – robertsky (talk) 18:48, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No it isn't? 162 etc. (talk) 18:51, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@162 etc. hmm... upon relooking at the RM, I will have it reopened later, and include this. – robertsky (talk) 12:08, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Collapsed above was the discussion at RM/TR, copied here for our benefit to follow the conversation. – robertsky (talk) 16:37, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
For the record I am fine with the move of Dave Stewart (Eurythmics), except I don't think "English" is necessary, and Dave Stewart (musician, born 1952) would suffice. But see Talk:Dave Stewart (Eurythmics)#Requested move 30 October 2023. * Pppery * it has begun... 16:40, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Pppery, I am aware of the Oct 2023 discussion, having just manually dropped the the banner and talk page message there. As such I invite the participants from there as well: @Hameltion, @BarrelProof, @JSFarman, @Amakuru, @HorrorLover555.
On the dab, how about (musician, born 1950), (music producer, born 1989), and (musician, born 1952) for consideration instead? – robertsky (talk) 16:56, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Pppery, to continue the RM/TR discussion, on the birth year of the Dynamite producer, although it may feel OR-y (of which I agree, it was a hard one hour of trying to find direct secondary sources, but all I found were these (linked above)), there is some allowance as routine calculation provided that there's a consensus on this. As such, opening this up as a point for discussion. – robertsky (talk) 16:51, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Move David Stewart (songwriter and producer) → David Stewart (Dynamite producer), but oppose the other two. As I said at the previous discussion, using year of birth should only be a last resort of nothing better is available. Disambiguators are supposed to be recognizable to readers when they see them, and it's unlikely people would know whether someone was born in 1950 or 1952. The Eurythmics title was reached by consensus and no need to touch it. And as for the keyboardist case, we are comparing someone who is exclusively a keyboardist and strongly known for that, versus the Eurythmics guy who was mainly a singer or guitarist and only occasionally played the keyboard as a side line. Finally, strong oppose using original research to guess at a birth year that isn't cited on sources. There are far better Disambiguators available and that's a borderline BLP violation.  — Amakuru (talk) 17:37, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (edit conflict) Thanks for the ping. In all cases, year of birth is less likely to be helpful to searchers than a more descriptive modifier, per WP:NCPDAB, and I see no reason to desire consistency. I strongly urge us to keep "Eurythmics" in the title of the Eurythmics Stewart, since that's the primary way he is known, as I outlined in the Oct 2023 discussion. (Dave Stewart (Eurythmics musician), which attracted almost equal support in that discussion, appears to conform better to WP:NCPDAB than the version without "musician".) Keyboardist Stewart also seems to be at an acceptable title: it appears to be his primary identification (e.g., [2] [3]), and I can find no source ever labeling either other musician as a keyboardist, only a user of synthesizers (consider it a WP:PDAB; a hatnote would suffice). The last is more difficult; the best title would be David Stewart (record producer) if only the other musicians weren't also fairly accomplished producers; the BTS song might be due for the title but is just such an unconventional approach. I agree with Robert that the birth year is an acceptable routine calculation, not OR. In summary:
If we must move Dave Stewart (keyboardist), something like Dave Stewart (keyboardist, born 1950) would be better than flattening the label to musician, which would hurt navigation. Hameltion (talk | contribs) 18:10, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Fine with Dave Stewart (keyboardist, born 1950) instead of Dave Stewart (musician, born 1950). If I remember correctly my thinking on the keyboardist one was based on keyboards being listed in the instruments section of the infobox for Dave Stewart (Eurythmics), which would make him a keyboardist - I generally try very hard to avoid disambiguators that can reasonably refer to more than one person. * Pppery * it has begun... 18:24, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Much simpler, given none of them exclusively does one thing. I don't see the need for nationality (they're all English) or anything else. -- Necrothesp (talk) 07:44, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Retrieved from "https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Talk:Dave_Stewart_(musician,_born_1950)&oldid=1220516880"