Wikipedia talk:Record charts

Billboard Perú

Hi everyone I wanted to share with you guys this link for Billboard Perú. In there you can find Hot 100 charts for both Peruvian artists and a combined Hot 100 as well. The top 10 are available for the public but subscribers can view the full list. FanDePopLatino (talk) 03:47, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

Dutch Top 40 Tipparade

As somebody who regularly adds this chart (essentially the "bubbling under" of the Dutch Top 40), I must admit I wasn't aware until today that songs can "chart" before their release, as this IP editor pointed out. I'm not sure how this was even possible—do they count pre-release radio adds for chart placement? Trending "hype"? At the time the chart was published, Grande's song hadn't been officially released anywhere in the world yet, but it was already on the Tipparade. I feel like this is similar to how there was a consensus (now listed at WP:BADCHARTS) for the now-defunct Rolling Stone Top 200 Albums chart that we should not use it because it would start listing albums as "charting" months before their release (e.g. Sam Smith's Gloria) because the singles from those albums were being counted towards the overall album. What do editors here think? Ss112 11:36, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

The Dutch Top 40 does include airplay data, so it makes sense that songs can chart before their official release. The first CD of Counting Crows' "Holiday in Spain" was released on 28 May 2004, but it first appeared on the Tipparade chart on 15 May. Download data hadn't been included yet, so airplay is the only explanation of why it charted before its release. I also don't see a difference between airplay and "trending hype". This kind of thing happens all the time, but it doesn't necessarily mean the chart is bad. ResPM (T🔈🎵C) 12:07, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

@ResolutionsPerMinute: I'm saying that because I don't believe the song was being played on radio or debuted on Dutch radio before it and the rest of Grande's Eternal Sunshine album was released at midnight US time. As far as I'm aware there was a strict embargo on the public hearing or being able to stream those songs before it was 12:00 midnight in the US and that equivalent time across the world. That's why I'm casting doubt on the validity of the chart, because somehow it was already charting before the public had heard it. I'm not saying airplay is not valid—obviously the Counting Crows example you're pointing to had different release dates around the world as physical media and airplay can have totally different release dates and in different countries, but I don't believe that to be the case here because AFAIK it was not heard by the public before midnight US time. (Also, the date of the chart in the top-right corner—9 March—is not the actual date it is published, as the chart had already been published by 8 March hence the time of my original post. The Wayback Machine, based in America, had already archived the page before midnight 8 March [1].) Ss112 06:58, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

Then the only other thing I can think of is that the song was leaked, embargo or not. Something similar happened with Oasis in 1997, when radio stations aired a new single before the label told them to ([2]). At the risk of starting a scandal, this is probably what happened. ResPM (T🔈🎵C) 11:12, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

Deprecate Dutch Top 40 after December 31, 2014. According to their website, the charts factor in "trends in social media". If points are low, songs can apparently chart on social media hype alone as evinced by "We Can't Be Friends". This makes the chart positions incomparable with every other chart in a table, which would mislead readers. Songs charting based on hype and not consumption makes no sense. There already is the Single Top 100, compiled by GfK, which I would support considering as the official chart for the Netherlands from 2015–present.

Chart formula page as of November 20, 2014: no mention of "trends in social media". As of February 9, 2015: "trends in social media" is a factor. Heartfox (talk) 05:18, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

Well, that settles that. Deprecate after December 31, 2014. ResPM (T🔈🎵C) 10:51, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

@Heartfox: While I am the one who started the thread, I think we need broader consensus to deprecate the use of the entirety of the Dutch Top 40 from Wikipedia. I agree the integration of social media trends makes it questionable, but that's not its sole metric (especially now that the song has been out for several weeks), the chart has a long history (I've even come across users on here from the Netherlands who consider it the "official" singles chart there), and so I don't agree with making pre-emptive removals, even though the song has now charted on the actual Dutch Top 40. Ss112 17:45, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

At least deprecate the Tipparade from 2015. Heartfox (talk) 01:07, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

I definitely believe we should not list chart rankings for unreleased songs that appear on the Tipparade chart per the above (and there would seem to be a rough consensus for this, at least), but songs on the upper ranks of the Tipparade chart seem like they're just bubbling under as they've been out for weeks, sometimes months. The latest example of the former: Taylor Swift's song with Post Malone that hasn't been officially released yet is charting on the latest chart. Ss112 17:47, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

Taiwan Album Chart

Is this chart considered as a bad chart??? I saw this chart on Las Mujeres Ya No Lloran chart section. Here’s the link https://www.5music.com.tw/billboard.asp?top=6 ShakiraFandom (talk) 17:28, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

What is Five Music? It looks like a record store to me, in which case it would fail WP:SINGLEVENDOR because it is only recording the sales in its own stores. But I know in East Asia conglomerates like this can cover much more than just selling records. Richard3120 (talk) 18:12, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

South Africa

There's a discussion ongoing at Tyla (South African singer)#Singles with regards to the use of Billboard's Hits of the World "South Africa Songs" chart instead of The Official South African Charts, the nationally recognized chart of South Africa. From what I read in previous discussions, I understood that Billboard HOTW charts should only be used when the song/artist hasn't charted on the official national chart. Which is not the case here. Billboard themself have even recognized TOSAC as the official chart of South Africa. I am from South Africa and the media here always refer to the TOSAC Streaming Chart and not Billboard's South Africa Songs. I would like to obtain a clear consensus regarding this so we can have a guideline going forward for South Africa on WP:CHARTS. Cool Marc ✉ 10:45, 25 May 2024 (UTC)