Talk:Golden Sun: The Lost Age

Please don't remove tags without community consensus

Just because you disagree with a tag at the top doesn't mean you should take it down without changing anything. The best procedure is to vote on the subject. Therefore, we'll have a vote. Vote Agree or Disagree on whether you feel the page is confusing, and please try to include a comment on why you feel the way you do. Please sign your vote with ~~~~. The vote about merging the pages is already taking place here. Some guy 19:10, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

Agree - This article is about a game, and yet there isn't even any mention of gameplay. Some of the information here is also incomplete, which can be misleading (for example, there's a section on linking the games, but nothing on the password feature). The story section seems to assume you already know what's going on, and the introduction paragraph doesn't make sense. -82.7.125.142 19:28, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

Hmm. See "added gameplay" below. Some guy 00:50, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

Disagree - At least, I do now that there's been a huge retooling and rewrite yet again. As TLA is a continuation of GS, with all the same base game mechanics, just having readers read the original GS article's gameplay and then reading about TLA's enhancements and link feature is fine. I think both game articles are now at the point where only smaller edits can improve them further; all the base stuff I think I've done. Erik the Appreciator 20:57, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

Disagree — I don't find the article confusing. It could use a bit more information, but it's not really confusing... -AlexJohnc3 01:56, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Storyline

The story section isn't streamlined like it the article of the original. Rather, it goes through a "back door" and sumerizes the situation, but not the plot. I actually don't know which aproach is better, so let's here some other ideas. HereToHelp 13:18, 17 September 2005 (UTC) (the guy who redid the GS 1 story section as of about the time shown)

Yeah, I agree. I can't help though, (sorry) because I don't have the second game. Yeah, I am WAY behind the times, but I love GS. Could somebody please fix that? If no one does, then whenever I get the second one and beat it, I'll fix it up. -t.z0n3

2 Parts, not Games

This and Golden Sun are one game, just split into 2 parts. The 2 games use the same battle system, follow the same storyline, and feature the same characters, meaning that alot of the information in this article (much of which isn't even mentioned, meaning the article would need work anyway) would just be a copy of what is already in Golden Sun; there is nothing in this article that couldn't just be stated there.

So, I am proposing to merge these two articles into a more complete article, which would at least get rid of the {{confusing}} tags currently on both of these articles. If anyone would like to help or disagrees with me, please reply. -82.7.125.142 14:30, 29 October 2005 (UTC)

No way, the games are meant to be separate, so don't go trying to screw things up.

80.225.1.131, you have repeatedly vandalised both pages and are not respectful of other people's work. Also, it is rude to remove a tag such as the merge tag without a strong user consensus being reached first. Please allow the community to vote on the issue and reach a consensus. Some guy 19:02, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

Well stated. :) -82.7.125.142 19:08, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

Then maybe you could explain why The Lost Age says "Golden Sun, Part 2" in the introduction. -82.7.125.142 17:15, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

it doesn't, it says "book 2", now you're not going to argue 2 books are really 1 book are you? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 203.97.120.37 (talk) 21:02, 28 April 2007 (UTC).

Disagree. The games use different parties (until Issac joins Felix) with opposite agendas. Also, the first game has "running gags" if you will about the ocean and "don't die" which are absent in the sequel. Also, the games cover different terrain and locations. Keep them seperate. HereToHelp (talk) 02:00, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

Yes, GS and GS:TLA are separate games. But they're one story. I say keep the articles separate, in spite of this. - AlishaShatogi 66.84.233.233 23:10, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

Added gameplay

Most of the complaints about the article being confusing are because it doesn't explain anything about gameplay (at least, that's the impression I've gotten). As at least a temporary solution, I've added a link to the gameplay section of the Golden Sun article. This should theoretically solve everyone's problem, as it provides additional information without merging the articles. However, it moves the reader to a different page. Thoughts? Some guy 00:50, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

Golden Sun 3

I just removed the whole section because it was speculation and this is generally avoided in gaming articles. We could quite easily speculate all day on anything. Some guy 04:53, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

Will there be a Golden Sun 3 if there is I will be so happy. -- Metal 17:12, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

There might be, hence speculation. It's there's still rumors about, so to answer your original question, nothing seems to be for sure yet. However, Wikipedia's not the place to talk about the possibility of another Golden Sun. AlexJohnc3 01:51, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

They need to make a Golden Sun 2 first. Just like there is no Lord of the Rings 2 or Super Smash Brothers 2. Gargomon251 18:11, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

...It was already made? --Blackguards_Light (talk) 15:32, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

They already made a Golden Sun 2, Smash bros. 2, and Lord of the Rings 2. They just don't have the words 2 in them. But, anyway, now that that's out of the way, I've been thinking of two plots the third game might be about. The first one is that Alex survived, and the old heroes and new heroes must defeat him. The second one is in the future when alchemy is unleashed, how the world changed, and a new enemy arises. Or a combination of the two.71.185.197.119 (talk) 20:43, 1 March 2008 (UTC)71.185.197.119

It's probebly a combination of your theory, because of the current events and Alex's dominating thoughts. --

Blackguards_Light ^{//Evil turning good//}

Just by virtue of being the second game made doesn't automatically qualify it with a 2. It is not named Golden Sun 2. Calling it "Golden Sun 2" is incorrect. That said, I will be endlessly amused in the (admittedly unlikely) event that they decide to call the DS game Golden Sun 2. - 66.189.139.72 (talk) 21:39, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

Glitch from Lost Age to orignal

Does anyone know the glich that makes you go back to the first world with glich?

I put the things together. Just like u wanted. 82.198.250.9 11:32, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

Other edits from 82.198.250.9 (talk · contribs) were vandalism, and I wasn't sure about the last one, which was on this article. I have reverted it, but if I'm mistaken, perhaps someone else could restore it? Thanks. AnnH ♫ 11:46, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

Changed Link

Uh, some guy (talk · contribs)}? You changed the link that said "Home of GS:TLA" to "Golden Sun fansite", saying it was a dubious claim? XD If you looked, you'd see the site was actually CALLED "Home of Golden Sun: The Lost Age". It wasn't a claim.

"Continuity error"

Saturos never says that the Jupiter Lighthouse is on Hesperia. He does, however, say that the Shaman's Rod came from Hesperia, which is correct. Shaman Village is on Hesperia. --Evice 02:39, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

Oh, and here's text from the game (taken from the script FAQ on GameFAQs):

Saturos: "Leave this to me! Sheba! Do you remember the rod connected
         to Hesperia?"

Sheba: "The Rod of Hesperia?"

Saturos: "The rod required to reach the Jupiter Lighthouse!"

Sheba: "Ye-Yes..."

Saturos: "Those who pursue us bear a rod...Is it the one?"

Menardi: "Sheba! Stay where you are! You can do it from there!"

--Evice 02:45, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

What about the other "continuity error" on the page ? I don't think it should be added, who knows what happened to their ship. Just because we don't see it doesn't make it a continuity error really. Viper 02:24, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Pictures

Any thoughts on adding some screenshots to the page ? I think it might add some shape to the page like other video game pages. Plus , there's the general need for an idea of what the game looks like. Viper 02:26, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

I wholeheartedly agree. I've been hoping for some images to be uploaded for a while now. Things is, right now I have images of all the Golden Sun character portraits on my own computer, but I'm afraid of uploading them because they were taken from various fansites, and therefore there would be a lot of copyright issues to sort through. If you think these images can go onto the pages and stay there as is without violating anything, well, I'll try it. Erik the Appreciator 18:24, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

Well, I found some pics on Amazon that could be used. Last time I checked, pictures from Amazon.com were generally allowed without any issues. I'll look into it. For now, here's the link: [1] --Viper 02:53, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Well, actually, I'm entitled to using whatever images are on the Home of the Golden Sun fansites on Wikipedia, and I've just uploaded all sorts of character portraits into the List of characters page. Over the next period of time, I'll be searching that site for pictures to fit into the other pages. But thanks for the help anyway, I might use those screenshots as well. Erik the Appreciator 17:25, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Looks like you did use them. Glad I could help. --Viper 22:17, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Chinese Taoism

Is that section really necessary? Doesn't have much to do with the game. -- Steel359 14:29, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

It's underneath Trivia. Besides, Tales of Symphonia is also mentioned underneath Trivia and doesn't have much to do with the game either. Kyarorain 16:32, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

If anything, having that table works better in the article on Psynergy than in the second game of the series. Erik Jensen ^{(I appreciate talk!)} 22:41, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Adding Something About the "To Be Continued"

I saw the Golden Sun 3 part was taken out, rightly so, but shouldn't it at least be mentioned that the game ended by saying "To Be Continued"? I mean, whether or not we have information on a third installment in the series, we should still mention this bit, eh? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Eternal Trance (talk • contribs)

Er, it did? When I defeat the Doom Dragon in The Lost Age and view the ending on my copy of the game, the last golden picture depicting the sunken Mt. Aleph has the words "The End" at the lower right. There's nothing in the game that genuinely confirms a continuation (though we all certainly hope for one); otherwise, it would have been mentioned in this article long ago. Maybe you should view the ending yourself again and report to us what it says there. Erik the Appreciator 19:48, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I think he's probably talking about the original Golden Sun's ending, which did say "To be continued...". -- Steel 19:56, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

...

Do we really need a walkthrough of the entire story in this article? --Coolbho3000 01:37, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

Well, I gave huge story write-ups to Golden Sun and The Lost Age because it seems that the Story section and the Gameplay section of any RPG article are basically the two base sections that should be fleshed out fully. To me, what kind of justified writing these pages that way was what is currently on the Tales of Symphonia page: They devote an entire article to an EXTREMELY detailed plot outline of the first disc of the game! I figure that having full Golden Sun story write-ups that each are literally one-third the size of what's on that page (and with images to support it throughout) is fine. And check out what this page was like previously; They had it like a game walkthrough. Erik the Appreciator 20:38, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

Just as an update, over the months since I first implemented the story write-ups I've been continually shortening them on each of the two game articles. At the same time, it seems that the Tales of Symphonia detailed plot outline has only been getting even longer. By now I believe that if you add up the two Golden Sun game story write-ups, the result is roughly one-sixth the size of that plot "outline". And that's not to mention overspecific chaos at the character-related content of the Tales game... If I played the game, I would have gone over there and forged concise coverage just like the Golden Sun-related articles as they are now long ago. Just goes to show... Erik Jensen ^{(I appreciate talk!)} 22:39, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Appreciated the added pictures

It's been a while since I read through these, and the added pictures towards the bottom of the page really add to the overall article. Kudos to whoever stuck them there. T.z0n3 15:40, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Response Section

It's short. It's annoyingly so. Can we expand on this at least until it's a small paragraph? Connecting it to it's predecessor's article seems choppy to me. I'll look for that citation BTW.T.z0n3 15:42, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

By all means, yes! :) I started it in the first place so that other users my fill it up and flesh it out on their own pace. If you or anyone else can provide citations or at least post URLs here for other more professional editors to convert to citations, then more power to you. Erik Jensen ^{(I appreciate talk!)} 03:12, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

I think one way the response section can be enhanced is if people search around the internet for URLs of reviews of this game, then post these URLs on this talk page with an explanation of which part of the review may be interesting for us to note in this article; then I can integrate that into the response section so that it will be a fully sourced and comprehensive section. I'd do it myself if I had the time. Erik Jensen ^{(I appreciate talk!)} 00:24, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

...AHHHHHHHH! *tears out hair* I can't find it! *cries* We might have to take that out, should the citation not be found, although we should then make it a high priority for people here to find it. T.z0n3 04:38, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

February rewrite for GA status

I see we're jumping right into the sequel for GA pushing. Based on how much effort it took to get Golden Sun passed, it looks like it will take a LOT of time and effort to fully rewrite, restructure, and source this article. I'll start with the synopsis section. Erik Jensen ^{(Appreciate|Donate)} 20:50, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Once my internet starts working correctly, I'll hop in. I guess I'll start by formatting links and citing and expanding reception... Dåvid Fuchs ^{(talk / frog blast the vent core!)} 16:23, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Noticing that A Link to the Past shifted around the game and synopsis sections, I assume that's what article layout guidelines want. But more to the point; I think the boat battle sequence shot I had on the page before is better than the shot of Jenna's Fume psynergy for a couple reasons: On browsers such as mine, jpg images like the Fume shot have these compression artifacts that make the image look more blocky than the PNG boat battle shot, and the Fume shot was borrowed off another site while the boat battle shot was a snapshot taken with a GBA emulator, and I think Wikipedia would rather not borrow from other sites for images. Right? I would advocate switching the places and status of the two images because I think it's the Fume shot that should be deleted. Erik Jensen ^{(Appreciate|Laugh At)} 21:14, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

So I swapped the images, and I'm going to see if the Fume image can be deleted instead. I'm also thinking that if the page is supposed to have its synopsis before its gameplay section, the Golden Sun article should have it laid out the same way. Erik Jensen ^{(Appreciate|Laugh At)} 20:29, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

I flipped it back. From my experience, most games I've seen and/or worked on (Halo 2, Pokemon Yellow, Iridion 3D, Warcraft III, et al) have story after gameplay. And we need to cut down the characters/world sections, methinks, as there are seperate articles on them already. Dåvid Fuchs ^{(talk / frog blast the vent core!)} 16:47, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Golden Sun 3, again

I would like to open up a dialogue in regards to the possibility of Golden Sun 3. Although the ending of Lost Age clearly insinuates an end to the series, there are an awful lot of cliffhangers left in the game prior to the defeat of the doom dragon and subsequent end of part 2.

In fact, Nintendo has neither confirmed nor denied intentions or plans to make Golden Sun 3, as stated in the article. I think it's a worthy subject worth discussing in regards to its recording in Wikipedia.

Reality is, Golden Sun 3 is a quite viable possibility for several key reasons: 1) the marketing success of 1 and 2 were to good to pass up the possibility for (a) sequel(s), 2) looking at the storyline in part 2, there are many areas of the game left open with no clear ending, 3) the demand for a third game is high, and 4) Nintendo isn't talking as far as it's plans with the Golden Sun series, hinting at possible additions.

Any thoughts? Editor19841 (talk) 20:29, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

possible, but I don't think there's enough to go on that merits inclusion in wikipedia at the moment. Maybe if someone reports something, but other than that, no big deal. Dåvid Fuchs ^{(talk / frog blast the vent core!)} 20:51, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Also using the fact that the existence of a third game was not denined as evidence would also be speculative and a would vilolate the original research policy.--65.95.16.121 23:50, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

I don't know about you, but for your second point, in terms of the main storyline, the Golden Sun plot is wrapped up and finished. Don't get me wrong. I would be enthralled if GS3 were to come out, but the fact of the matter is that the Lost Age pretty much finished up whatever major plot developments came up through the series. Could you possibly give a few examples of what "many areas" of the game are left open?—Theodorel 10:52, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Sheba's homeland (which can be pretty much answered by hints in the game and fan speculation, but that's not the same as coming out and saying it), and the ambiguity of Alex's fate, I imagine. Although there was a definite plot hook in Apojii - I recall there were questions of where the water goes after Gaia falls, and of what happens if it runs out. 217.42.64.91 20:42, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Golden Sun said to be a trilogy. So there might be a third game. Geminivenom 10:53, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

I propose we wait a few weeks, and figure out whether or not that odd shaped mountain in Subspace Emissary from Super Smash Bros. Brawl is indeed Mt. Aleph. If it is, you can easily assume that it is for use in advertising...for a possible GS3. (Such as Roy in Melee). --haha169 (talk) 04:58, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Possible Weasel Words?

I think the top thing saying Golden Sun is widely considered the best handeld RPG of all time might be weasel words. Can someone back this up? 24.159.39.11 00:39, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Contradiction

Seems like the introduction says that GS2 is generally seen as inferior to the first, but the reception section says opinions are mixed. The two sections contradict each other and this needs to be fixed. 24.108.201.104 (talk) 07:27, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

GS3

I think they will make the 3rd one about the time before Issac and Felix lighted the lighthouses. Waaay back when they originally built Sol Sanctum. Either that or a long time after Issac some fanatic unlit all the lighthouses.... Skane (talk) 16:58, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

There are a lot of possibilities, but one thing is sure - Alex will have a very big role, perhaps even the new protagonist. I think it's nice to explain his relationship with Mia too. Cat (talk) 15:33, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

I propose we add a template at the top of this talkpage urging users not to bring up the prospect of GS3, unless there is actually verifiable sources. This talkpage isn't a forum. --haha169 (talk) 04:37, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

No Sailing In Gameplay?

Considering the gigantic role that sailing plays in this game (as opposed to the first, which had no controllable sailing) I think it should at least be mentioned in the gameplay section. In fact, the claim that "Much of the game's time spent outside of battle takes place in dungeons, caves, and other locales involving many puzzles integrated into their layout..." is almost disproved by the fact that you have to do so much sailing. Vjasper (talk) 18:46, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

とき (toki) instead of じだい (jidai)

I have synced the page with the Japanese Wikipedia page of the game, which explicitly stated the 時代　in the title is not pronounced じだい but とき (which is odd, but it's not unusual for kanji to be pronounced as a synonym if the end result sounds better). Thing is, I don't see a source for it on the Japanese page, meaning it's not unthinkable whoever edited that is actually quoting a mistranscription. If anyone manages to find out more (I couldn't find anything about it on the official Japanese page) please add a source. 130.89.1.11 (talk) 20:34, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

There are furigana above the kanji on the logo that say "toki", so that is correct. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.211.10.145 (talk) 07:54, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Golden Sun: The Lost Age/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

This is just a placeholder, I'll be giving the article a good read-through in due course. Someoneanother 17:18, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

OK let's roll. No problems with article stability, initial glance reveals a well-referenced article with a broad scope, this should be a painless process.

Images

• Fair use rationales could do with specific rationales as to why they are being used in the article, IE not just to show the subject but to actually show 'blah'.
  • This article was written a long time ago, I believe before fair-use rationales were required. I'll get to work on that first. Consider it done. --haha169 (talk) 00:47, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
    • Technically, however, the text caption is quite enough. --haha169 (talk) 00:55, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Lead

• "which augment the character's powers." Shouldn't that be "characters'" as in plural?
  • Yep, in which case, the apostrophe should be moved after the "s". Got it. --haha169 (talk) 00:57, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
• The reception information in the lead is virtually non-existent, could it be expanded to include a couple of key points brought forward by multiple reviewers?
  • Well, VG standard dictates that the lead shouldn't include specific examples of reviews, only aggregate reviews and such. --haha169 (talk) 00:57, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
• "the game ranks as the eighth best Game Boy Advance title of 2003 and the 22nd best GBA game of all time" According to who? It's a specific and strong assertion which needs some context.
  • It doesn't have to be cited in the lead because it is already cited in the Reception section. (current ref 54) --haha169 (talk) 00:57, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
    • There isn't a universal standard for 22nd/17th/4th best game for X system, what I'm asking is who is saying that, not in terms of sourcing but in terms of this figure coming from somewhere which hasn't been identified in the lead. Someoneanother 01:06, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
      • Ok, IGN. I'll add that. --haha169 (talk) 01:07, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Gameplay

• "Golden Sun: The Lost Age allows the player to complete many objectives out of order, and visiting previous locations to advance story elements and complete gameplay objectives is given a stronger emphasis than in the previous game." "out of order" would be a good place to stop that sentence, wouldn't "in the order of their choice" be better?
  • Yes it would. I'll give that sentence a little re-write. Thanks for catching that. --haha169 (talk) 18:38, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
• "players must either push pillars to construct hoppable paths.." "Create" would be better than "contruct", is "hoppable" a word? Even if it is, blech, "navigable" or "negotiable" or another word would be an improvement.
  • Hoppable isn't a word. I've replaced it with negotiable. --haha169 (talk) 18:38, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
• "(of which a host of new spells are introduced in the game)" Is this refering to additional spells in comparison to the first game? If so, please move to a separate sentence, the bracket itself and the text within interrupt the flow.
  • I've removed it - not really important. All games are like this. --haha169 (talk) 18:38, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
• In fact, there are too many brackets here. For instance, in the battle subsection: "If all the player's characters (when the characters you use in the top 4 is downed, the characters not in the top 4 slots jump into battle) are downed by reducing their hit points to zero, it is considered “Game Over”, and the party is returned to the last village that the player visited and suffers a monetary penalty." The brackets are really distracting, and there's also a "you" as opposed to "the player" in there. This suggests that gameplay needs another read-through by editors. Please do so, afterwards I'll take another look at this section.
  • I've removed the brackets or integrated them into the sentence. Most of the brackets are seemingly useless detail, anyway. --haha169 (talk) 18:51, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Synopsis

• Under the setting subsection I notice that the four elements are listed with their corresponding two materials in brackets again, considering this has already been done in gameplay can these duplicate brackets go?
  • Well, that's debatable. Its best to leave it in twice to avoid "jargon" issues at FAC; and they are cracking down on this especially hard on VG articles. --haha169 (talk) 01:06, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
    • Fair enough, consider it resolved. Someoneanother 01:21, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
• "His younger sister, Jenna," This sentence goes on and on, could it be broken down a little please?
  • ...There really isn't any way to do so. If you could come up with a suggestion, but the plot is just that those 3 people were kidnapped. --haha169 (talk) 01:06, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
• "their soon-to-be-found companion Piers" he can't be soon-to-be found if he's already sailing with them, how about "new" instead?
  • Good idea. --haha169 (talk) 01:06, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
• "they learn a shocking truth about Alchemy's true" Shock, horror, judgemental wording!
  • ?? I don't understand what you're trying to say here. --haha169 (talk) 01:06, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
    • Heh, sorry. 'A shocking truth' sails close to being a judgement (even though the characters are doubtless shocked), the nature of the discovery is such that the reader doesn't really need to be told that it is shocking. Someoneanother 01:15, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
      • But I like adjectives. They give the words spice. Ok then, but "about" should stay in or else the sentence becomes a fragment. --haha169 (talk) 04:33, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
• "But when Isaac's pursuing party enters the lighthouse, they are trapped and ambushed by the vengeful Mars Adept Warriors, Karst and Agatio (Menardi was Karst's sister, and Saturos was Agatio's friend), and Felix comes to assist Isaac and battle Karst and Agatio off." I'm not a big fan of 'buts' when they're not explicitly needed, in this case Isaac and co's entrance isn't related to Felix and co's entrance. Again there's a bracket and interrupted sentence flow, some rewording and possibly splitting please? "battling them off" doesn't sit right, "repel" or "defeat" would be preferable.
  • I've split the section, and re-worded the end. But I still think the "but" should stay. --haha169 (talk) 01:06, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
• "After a session of grief, they gather the resolve" this doesn't sit right either, you wouldn't describe grieving as a 'session of grief'. "Gather the resolve" seems fanciful, could you try something else?
  • Like what? Fanciful words = prose, and prose = high-quality articles. Btw, I changed to "short session of mourning".--haha169 (talk) 01:06, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
    • It depends on exactly what happened, does this session involve them talking amongst themselves (a conversation)? Or does time pass (a mourning period)? Something along the lines of "after the characters come to terms with their loss, they resolve to..." ?
• "He soon finds out he got more than he bargained for" Ditto, smacks of 'story time'. Describing the event itself would remove the need for this.
  • Ok, I fixed that. --haha169 (talk) 01:06, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
• "they tragically discover that the Wise One tricked them into murdering none other than the parents of Isaac and Felix." Again it's judgemental wording, discovering they've slain their own parents doesn't need to be qualified with "tragically". "None other" is a little theatrical in the context, as if to add a little 'whoop'. Er, how exactly is it that they've managed to butcher two characters' parents and yet they were a multi-headed dragon a minute ago? There's a transition there which needs explaining. Someoneanother 01:28, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
  • Yeah, I changed it to "When the party of Adepts slay the dragon, they discover that the Wise One had magically transformed Isaac and Felix's parents in the dragon - who is now dead." I think the ending a little awkward, any ideas? --haha169 (talk) 04:40, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
    • How about "When the party of Adepts have slain the dragon, they are informed by the Wise One that Isaac and Felix's parents had been transformed into the beast." ? Someoneanother 10:59, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
      • Nice. You're an amazing copyeditor, you know that? I'll change that immediately. I also added a little extra at the end, just to make it clearer.--haha169 (talk) 20:39, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

That's pretty much it, though I would like to give that Gameplay another look once it's been tinkered with. Nice work so far. Someoneanother 22:50, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

I'm sorry, I haven't the time to do Gameplay right at this moment. I'll do it tonight, or if Fuchs gets to it before me. --haha169 (talk) 01:09, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Don't apologize, your time is your own. I have to sleep now myself, thanks for what you've done. Someoneanother 01:35, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

I've replied to your comments. I'll tackle the Gameplay section tomorrow morning. Thanks for your comments! --haha169 (talk) 04:40, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Recap

Virtually there now, it's just the Djinni subheading in gameplay and one other thing:

• In plot "After a short session of mourning" > "After a short period of mourning" It's that particular word, I associate session with appointments or predetermined periods of time.
• "as well as what psynergy the character can perform.[11]" Upper-case Psynergy needed.
• "In the game, Djinn can either be “turned on” or “turned off”." Gracious! I'd steer well-clear of that expression around sentient characters, "activated or deactivated" sits better anyway. The problem with this statement is that it's saying "these things are either one thing or the other" without explaining what these two states actually are. Could you explain?
  • Resting, for use, ... etc. I've replaced the words.
• "When a Djinni is "Set" to a character" try "partnered with", no speech marks needed.
• "As there is a grand total of seventy-two Djinn encompassing the four elements that can be mixed and matched to the eventual eight characters in seemingly any manner, a large array of possible class setups for all eight characters are potentially available, allowing an expanded variety of combat options.[11]" This section is very wordy, I'd suggest something like: "A total of seventy-two Djinn encompassing the four elements are available. These can mixed and matched with the eight unique player-characters in any combination, producing a wide array of possible combinations with different combat abilities."
  • I actually like that sentence. The wordy one isn't much longer than your suggestion, but it relays more information. --haha169 (talk) 23:16, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
• "In combat, a player can use.." This sentence could actually be joined with the following sentence via a comma.
  • ?? I don't think that will work out so well. --haha169 (talk) 23:16, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
• "healing/restoration spells" I'd just get rid of restoration, there's no real difference when looking at the game from this distance.
• "After a successful invoke, the Djinni shifts to "Standby" mode until it is "Set" on the character again. While on standby, the Djinn do not contribute to character classes, but can be used for Summon Sequences, where the player summons a powerful elemental monster." this would need to be brought inline with the changed terms suggested above, IE "Set" = partnered with. Can you think of something a little less machinelike than "standby"?
  • I've changed the entire structure of the sentence. --haha169 (talk) 23:16, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
• "and also the riskiest" "and the most dangerous to perform".
  • Is there really a difference?--haha169 (talk) 23:16, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
• "it must take any number of turns " if this means "must recover for a number of turns" please clarify.
• "each of which must be earned (some found by defeating extra bosses) individually in the game.[11]" > "each of which must be earned individually, for instance some are acquired by defeating optional bosses."

That seems to be it, basically it's about the "Set" type terminology and textflow. Someoneanother 13:26, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

I've fixed the issues, and left a more detailed description under the more complicated ones.--haha169 (talk) 23:16, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

GA Pass

Thank you for your work on the article, The Lost Age is now a Good Article. Someoneanother 23:50, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

• gasp* Thanks! Your criticisms point out so much stuff in need of work for FA, and it has been incredibly valuable. I haven't had such a lengthy GAN in a long time. :) Thanks for taking your time to review this article. --haha169 (talk) 00:38, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

• • • You're very welcome, thank you for you patience during the process. GA is as good an opportunity as any for the flow of text to be eyeballed, so I like to use the opportunity. Someoneanother 18:58, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
      • I agree completely. Sometimes, its the only chance since Peer Reviews aren't consistent in how many people review. --haha169 (talk) 00:48, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

I haven't read all of the above GA discussion, but I'm guessing somewhere in changing the wording of the article or before, some factual inaccuracies slipped in. In particular the section about the Djinn system contains some errors, awkward wording and things that may not technically be incorrect but easily misundersood. Part of the problem is that the first half of the section now uses somewhat freeform terminology while the second half uses in-game terminology without explaining it or linking it to the terms used in the first half. I'd say it's better if the entire section uses the in-game terminology for Set, Standby and Recovery. Additionally, while most of the section is referenced, the cited source actually says nothing about what's in the section. In particular I'm talking about the reference to "Kepper, Sean. Golden Sun TLA Guide - Collectibles: Djinn Guide", which does not actually say anything about how the Djinn work even though it's cited in sections explaining that. I'm going to go ahead and change some things. 145.99.155.53 (talk) 13:46, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

I'm not completely sure what you just said...but if you want, you can fix the inaccuracies yourself. Wikipedia is the encyclopedia that anyone can edit. --haha169 (talk) 04:56, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Already did. Just explaining the why of my edits before I post them. :-) 145.99.155.53 (talk) 13:47, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

"Sequel"

Now that said sequel has finally been confirmed, I don't think we need the "sequel" subsection within Development anymore. But should we try incorporating the information in the subsection into Golden Sun DS and its own Development subsection? BTW, the fact this page might no longer have a section talking about fan hoaxes might better allow it to be refined into a Video Game FA. Erik Jensen ^{(Appreciate or Laugh At)} 07:19, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Wii U Virtual Console

If emulations aren't allowed to be listed under "Platform(s)", why is Virtual Console present in the original Golden Sun article? And don't you think it's a deficiency that the Virtual Console release is not mentioned anywhere in this article? Richbordoni (talk) 18:59, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

• It's present in the original because it hasn't been removed yet. It's fine to mention VC in a release section, though.--IDV^talk 20:27, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

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