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Categorising DVD, DVG, DIV

It looks like people are just typing in the results direct from the Interior Ministry (which are fairly imprecise when listing small parties) and ignoring the minor parties some of those politicians represent, making it look like they've all left their old parties and run as independents. Could we either mark down their original parties as DVG/DVD/DIV or mark their current parties on the 2017 result column? Furthermore recent defectors like Lassalle are being shown with their new party on the table whilst other defectors are shown with their old one. It might be better to show the result in his constituency as Resistons gain from MoDem (rather than DVD gain from Resistons as currently). Maswimelleu (talk) 00:16, 19 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Debout la France

There must be an error in the table at French legislative election, 2017#Contests in the second round, because Debout la France isn't shown as competing in any 2nd round contests, yet they won a seat in the 2nd round (Nicolas Dupont-Aignan, in Essonne's 8th constituency). --Metropolitan90 (talk) 04:15, 19 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Do candidates self-identify as "far right" and "far left"?

I noticed that on the Ministry of the Interior web site, some candidates are labeled as "EXD" and "EXG" ("extrême droite"/far right and "extrême gauche"/far left), as they are in this article. (See http://elections.interieur.gouv.fr/legislatives-2017/007/00701.html, for example.) Is this based on self-identification? I wouldn't expect a candidate to call themself far right or far left even if that would be an accurate characterization. Is EXD or EXG a government-chosen classification for these candidates? --Metropolitan90 (talk) 13:51, 20 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

No, the nuances are determined by the Ministry of the Interior. Mélencron 13:55, 20 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Is there a process for adding constituency results for 2017 election to their respective pages?

Is there any semi-automated way for adding the constituency results for this election to their pages? (e.g. Finistère's 1st constituency)

The maker of http://opencouncildata.co.uk/ has created a bot that can crawl through various websites, find their results/membership pages, and automatically map that information into a spreadsheet. Theoretically the same would be possible in mapping data from a spreadsheet onto a Wikipedia page. Maswimelleu (talk) 09:46, 25 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I've actually got the results split into two sandboxes, FYI: User:Mélencron/sandbox10 and User:Mélencron/sandbox11, both of which were made by mapping results into a spreadsheet. (There's two issues, though, in that the second round vote totals use those for the first round due to a mistake on my part, and that it's not able to resolve candidate ties automatically, and simply lists duplicate entries, because the candidates aren't already sorted by number of votes in the public spreadsheet file but by their label.) Mélencron (talk) 13:34, 25 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
To be honest it'd be helpful enough to have the first round done automatically and have to enter the second round manually - since it's the inclusion of lots of minor parties that becomes an onerous data entry job. If User:Newystats wants to join me then I'd be happy to use what you have an map them to all the respective constituency pages for reference. Would be good to ensure they're all correctly assigned to a master-list as we go so we can easily revisit them after by-elections and other changes. Maswimelleu (talk) 13:53, 25 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, Maswimelleu, I'm happy to help. Newystats (talk) 06:12, 27 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The figures for the 2017 French legislative elections are available on data.gouv.fr. The main issue that I had was simply that I wasn't able to resolve ties between candidates as the data from each constituency isn't sorted by the number of votes, but that's probably fixable by using the panel parameter to display the results/names/parties separately for tied candidates. Also, it's important to note that (1) names aren't necessarily rendered correctly (missing an é or an ë or a hyphen and such from time to time), and that they need to be manually checked (helpfully, the French Wikipedia has well-maintained articles on the results by every department), and (2) some articles should probably be checked to be linked (if they're outgoing or elected deputies, or otherwise notable enough to have an article on either the French or English Wikipedias). Mélencron (talk) 06:27, 27 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Great - I'll get started as soon as I have the time. Maswimelleu (talk) 23:23, 29 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
One last thing – I forgot that the results link doesn't actually link to the results in each constituency (e.g. https://www.interieur.gouv.fr/Elections/Les-resultats/Legislatives/elecresult__legislatives-2017/(path)/legislatives-2017/077/07701.html); the first three digits are the department code and the last two are the constituency number. I've wanted to do this for quite a while now but I've never "had the time", either. I can take a look and see if I can fix the most obvious things (errors in second-round vote numbers, linking elected deputies, and providing direct results links) to make it easier to copy these over to their respective constituency pages, but don't think I can (easily) do anything about not being able to list multiple candidates with the same number of votes and the occasional "N/A" or misformatted table – the formulas are already excessively long/unwieldy to the point that I don't really understand them myself. Mélencron (talk) 00:25, 30 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I've worked out a fix for linking winning candidates and second-round vote totals. I'll see if I can also fix the URL issue next. Mélencron (talk) 04:22, 30 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I've fixed the URL issues. Hopefully I can update the two sandboxes by Wednesday the end of the week once I sanitize the tables. Mélencron (talk) 04:56, 30 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Alright, I'll wait until then. Maswimelleu (talk) 10:15, 30 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
There's also 61(!) constituencies in the spreadsheet that seem to be missing data for at least 1 candidate, so I'll have to add those manually to the spreadsheet. Might take a little bit, but after that, only issues should be (1) fixing names/labels of tied candidates, (2) linking, and (3) correct candidate names. I'll take care of (1) after I've added the missing candidates. Mélencron (talk) 15:19, 30 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed at least 30/61 – going to be off for a bit now but I'll come back to finish that up later. Mélencron (talk) 16:03, 30 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Is there any quick way to identify each constituency in your two sandboxes? I don't see a heading on any of them. Do they correspond to the order on the website you linked, alphabetical, etc? I don't really need you to add titles/annotations so long as I know what order they're in. Also, is there a page for every single National Assembly constituency already or do some need to be made from scratch? It appears I'll need to make some constituency articles from scratch too. Maswimelleu (talk) 16:52, 30 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The constituencies are ordered as they are in the file that's published on data.gouv.fr, which is by department and constituency number (departments numbered 1 through 19, followed by 2A/2B for Corsica, then 21 through 95 for other departments in metropolitan France, then 971–974, 976, 988, 987, 975, 986, and 977 for the overseas departments, and then 99 for the 11 constituencies for French citizens overseas).

/sandbox11 contains the overseas departments and the 11 constituencies for French nationals established outside of France; they're split into two because of Wikipedia's page size limits. Mélencron (talk) 21:29, 30 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, I'll get started on this today unless there's anything else you want to do first. I've created a sort of to-do list on User:Maswimelleu/sandbox2 so I can check each article individually and gradually get them all up to a reasonable minimum standard (not planning to do 2012/2007 just yet, but might as well note which ones do and don't have it). Maswimelleu (talk) 10:08, 1 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not actually done with fixing the names, FYI. I have a couple hours right now to continue and I might be able to finish fixing the sandbox by the end of today. What standard do you wish to get the articles up to? Ideally I'd like to get them all up to the level of Ain's 1st constituency, but that can't be done quickly. There isn't an existing set of SVG locator maps for constituencies and there aren't any official sources out there which provide a comprehensive history of each constituency's historic representation. There's one book compiled by Pierre Avril, but it only goes up to 1988; there's also another site, politiquemania, that has the data up until 2012, but even then that's (as far as I know) volunteer-compiled. Mélencron (talk) 13:39, 1 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Ain's 1st is roughly the standard I'm hoping for. I'm going to record which ones are missing a graphic so I can reference it in future - in the absence of the constituency being highlighted I think at least highlighting the département would be good. I think representation going back to 1988 (when single member constituencies were restored?) would be a realistic goal if we have access to Pierre Avril's book. My reasoning is that if I'm manually inspecting each article, I might as well record the progress towards completion on each - some I will never have to revisit, whereas others will need a lot more work. I'm in no real rush to start, so just let me know whenever you're ready to proceed. Maswimelleu (talk) 14:01, 1 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks Maswimelleu & Mélencron. Let me know if I can help. I've manually done the last in the list in metropolitan France Val-d'Oise's 10th constituency with the 2017 result, updating the infobox and adding a "It is currently represented by " sentence in the top section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Newystats (talk • contribs) 04:06, 2 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I can see what I can do as for maps and such in the coming weeks. It's probably easiest just to add the results tables for 2017 to the articles first and clean up the rest after that part's done. Mélencron (talk) 16:36, 2 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Laurent de Boissieu/france-politique.fr

http://www.revuepolitique.fr/plaidoyer-pour-la-rationalisation-de-loffre-electorale/ Mélencron (talk) 01:10, 25 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

National Front color

There is currently a push for replacing dark blue with grey for the National Front. A discussion has been started on the template page after I asked. Everyone is welcome to give their opinion there as well. Template talk:National Front (France)/meta/color--Aréat (talk) 22:03, 6 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

What is the Short Code for Génération.s?

What is the code to put in the infobox at party-colour for Génération.s? Newystats (talk) 23:36, 6 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Solved - this is a note for anyone else looking. Code is gens - you can see all the codes by editing Template:French politics/party colours Newystats (talk) 04:35, 10 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Plural or singular?

Further information: Talk:2022 French legislative election § Plural or singular?

Hérisson grognon (talk) 19:20, 12 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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