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Semi-protected edit request on 29 April 2024 (2)

Dear Wikipedia Editors,

I am writing to propose a revision to the introductory section of the Owen Benjamin biography to ensure adherence to Wikipedia's guidelines on neutrality and verifiability.

Current text: "Owen Benjamin Kares Troy-Smith (born May 24, 1980), known professionally as Owen Benjamin, is an American conspiracy theorist and internet personality known for promoting white supremacy, antisemitism, homophobia, and neo-Nazism.[1][2][3][4][5][6] He was a stand-up comedian and actor who had minor roles in mainstream film and television between 2008 and 2015.

In the late 2010s, Benjamin began expressing more extreme political views. In 2019, he was banned from several mainstream social media platforms for violations of their policies, including Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, and YouTube.[7][8][9] These included antisemitic remarks, homophobic remarks, and calling Barack Obama a "nigger".[5][8][10]"

Proposed revision: "Owen Benjamin Kares Troy-Smith (born May 24, 1980), known professionally as Owen Benjamin, is an American comedian and actor. He gained initial recognition through stand-up comedy and had minor roles in mainstream film and television between 2008 and 2015.

In the late 2010s, Benjamin's public statements and political views became more controversial. He has been the subject of scrutiny and criticism for expressing viewpoints that have been characterized as promoting white supremacy, antisemitism, homophobia, and neo-Nazism by various sources.[11][2][3][4][5][12] Benjamin's remarks have been described as offensive and have resulted in his removal from several mainstream social media platforms, including Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, and YouTube in 2019, due to policy violations.[7][8][9] These included antisemitic remarks, homophobic remarks, and calling Barack Obama a "nigger".[5][8][10]"

This revision aims to provide a more balanced and neutral representation of Owen Benjamin's career and controversies, ensuring factual accuracy and compliance with Wikipedia's content policies. The original references were preserved.

Thank you for considering this edit request.

Sincerely, Todaystomsawyer1981 (talk) 16:50, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia policy requires that articles reflect how reliable sources describe the subject, in proportion to how they are described in those sources. The current sources overwhelmingly describe Benjamin as a conspiracy theorist who promotes the stated viewpoints, and it does not appear you have introduced any new sources that present a different viewpoint.
It might be helpful if you could clarify for the person reviewing your edit request whether you a) believe that the current wording does not reflect the existing sources (and provide specifics as to why), or b) believe that other sources exist that present Benjamin primarily as a comedian/etc. rather than a conspiracy theorist/provocateur (and provide these sources). GorillaWarfare (she/her • talk) 19:53, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for your reply.
The following is an updated proposed revision with additional sources. References of "Twitter" are updated to "X". Named citations are taken from the article's source. I included a reference to conspiracy theories. The structure and readability was improved by summarizing controversial viewpoints and removing a specific quote from the introduction. The quote refers to using a racist slur. Retain the quote by moving it to the Views section or a separate section. Moving the quote to a separate section is outside the scope of this edit.:
"Owen Benjamin Kares Troy-Smith (born May 24, 1980), known professionally as Owen Benjamin, is an American comedian and actor.[13][14][15][16][17][18][19][20] He gained initial recognition through stand-up comedy and had roles in mainstream film and television between 2008 and 2015 including, The House Bunny, Jack and Jill, All's Faire in Love, and Sullivan & Son.[21][22][13]
In the late 2010s, Benjamin's public statements and political views became more controversial, drawing scrutiny and criticism from various sources. Some viewpoints attributed to him have been characterized as promoting conspiracy theories, white supremacy, antisemitism, homophobia, and neo-Nazism by certain critics and commentators.[23][2][3][4][5][24] These remarks have been described as offensive and have led to his removal from mainstream comedy engagements and several social media platforms, including X (formally known as Twitter), Facebook, Instagram, and YouTube, due to policy violations.[7][8][9][25][2][5][8][10]
As of 2023, Benjamin continues to perform standup comedy and remains active on X and various streaming platforms.[17][23]"
This revision maintains its original aims to provide a more balanced and neutral representation of Owen Benjamin's career and controversies. The inclusion of Benjamin's initial recognition or primary occupation at the beginning of a biography of a living person (BLP) on Wikipedia aligns with the site's guidelines on establishing the subject's notability and providing a clear introduction to their career trajectory. This approach is recommended based on Wikipedia policies and best practices. Let me explain why:
Establishing Notability: Wikipedia's guidelines for BLPs emphasize the importance of establishing a person's notability early in the article.
Neutral Point of View (NPOV): Presenting a person's primary occupation or field of recognition at the outset helps maintain a neutral tone by focusing on factual information about their career rather than subjective evaluations or controversies.
Structural Consistency: Most Wikipedia biographies follow a standard format, starting with an introduction to the person's background and career highlights. Then, more detailed information is followed, such as controversies or personal life. This format helps organize information in a logical and reader-friendly manner.
Avoiding Bias: By beginning with the person's initial recognition or career highlights, Wikipedia editors can introduce the subject in a way that minimizes bias and focuses on objective facts about their professional achievements.
For example, you can observe this approach in various well-developed Wikipedia biographies, where the opening paragraphs typically start with a brief overview of the person's notable career or achievements before addressing other aspects of their life or controversies. Career and achievements provide context and establish relevance in the encyclopedia.
In summary, including Benjamin's initial recognition or primary occupation at the beginning of a BLP introduction on Wikipedia is in line with the site's content policies, supports verifiability, and helps establish the subject's notability in a neutral and structured manner.
Sincerely, Todaystomsawyer1981 (talk) 19:13, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Please see Wikipedia's policies on what kinds of sources are appropriate. You'll be wanting secondary, reliable sources that describe Benjamin in detail — not user-generated listings of his acting from IMDb and Rotten Tomatoes, or (often self-written) biographies published by venues where he appeared (apparently about 12 years ago, in the case of Laugh Factory, or 7 years ago, in the case of The Glee). If there are a substantial number of reliable, secondary sources (think newspapers, magazines, books, etc.) that describe Benjamin primarily as a comedian or actor, that could be a reason to introduce him as such. However, they would need to be weighed with the substantial number of sources that suggest Benjamin's notability is more thanks to his conspiracy theories and political comments. It may be that there was a time where he was more known as a comedian/actor — as evidenced by the fact that the new sources you have suggested mostly date back to 2009–2017 — but more recent reliable sources tend to remark more on his politics than his comedy. GorillaWarfare (she/her • talk) 21:32, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for the reply and suggestions. The following is an updated proposed revision that includes secondary reliable sources. I added internal links that were missing. I modified citations to improve relevance. One of the most remarkable changes was updating Benjamin's profession to "right-wing comedian". This characterization strikes a balance between his characterization as a mainstream comedian of the past and his more recent right-leaning political statements while maintaining neutrality. I want to reiterate that the quote using a racial slur is still not included and suggested to be moved to the Views section as described previously.:
"Owen Benjamin Kares Troy-Smith (born May 24, 1980), known professionally as Owen Benjamin, is an American right-wing comedian and actor.[26][27][28][29][30][22][21][20][31][32][33] He gained initial recognition through stand-up comedy and had roles in mainstream film and television between 2008 and 2015 including, The House Bunny, Jack and Jill, All's Faire in Love, and Sullivan & Son.[32][30][29][27][21][22][13][14]
In the late 2010s, Benjamin's public statements and political views became more controversial, drawing scrutiny and criticism from various sources. Some viewpoints attributed to him have been characterized as promoting conspiracy theories, white supremacy, antisemitism, homophobia, and neo-Nazism by certain critics and commentators.[23][2][3][4][5][34] These remarks have been described as offensive and have led to his removal from mainstream comedy engagements and several social media platforms, including X (formally Twitter), Facebook, Instagram, and YouTube, due to policy violations.[7][8][9][25][2][5][8][10]
As of 2023, Benjamin continues to perform standup comedy and remains active on X and various streaming platforms.[17][23][18][19]"
This revision maintains its original aims to:
- Provide a more balanced and neutral representation of Owen Benjamin's career and controversies.
- Include initial recognition or primary occupation at the beginning of a biography of a living person (BLP) that aligns with the site's guidelines on establishing the subject's notability and providing a clear introduction to their career trajectory.
This approach is recommended based on Wikipedia policies and best practices outlined previously. Additionally, this avoids recentism, where the article has an imbalanced focus on recent events without an aim toward a long-term, historical view. Recent sources often label him as a "comedian" with additional descriptions to the right despite focusing on his conspiracy theories and political commentary.
Thank you for considering this edit request.
Sincerely, Todaystomsawyer1981 (talk) 15:54, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm leaving this edit request open for another editor to handle, but I do think your concerns about recentism are misplaced. The lead sentence should describe Benjamin in terms of his primary notability, and that you're having to dig back to 2009 Christina Ricci engagement announcements to find sources that describe him primarily as a comedian or that highlight his acting career suggests that that is not be his primary source of notability. I would also oppose the tortured wording of "Some viewpoints attributed to him have been characterized as..." rather than simply "known for promoting". In my view, this is far less neutral than the existing lead, which well reflects the sourcing. GorillaWarfare (she/her • talk) 16:13, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
 Not done: No consensus. Per GorillaWarfare, the proposed wording seems far too verbose to be appropriate, and citation overkill doesn't help. I appreciate the intent, but the way to insure the article remains neutral is not to ignore less flattering sources. Likewise, balance should not be confused with false balance. To put it another way, softening the article to assist him in his PR is the opposite of neutral, so this edit does not support your stated goal. Grayfell (talk) 04:44, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for the reply and suggestions. For consensus, this edit removes verbose language and strictly uses currently published approved sources to avoid citation overkill. It maintains the original intent of maintaining balance, neutrality, and structural consistency of BLPs. Nonsubstanstitive edits were made for clarity and consiseness.
"Owen Benjamin Kares Troy-Smith (born May 24, 1980), known as Owen Benjamin, is an American right-wing comedian and former actor. He rose to fame in stand-up comedy and mainstream film and television from 2008 to 2015, appearing in productions like The House Bunny, All's Faire in Love, and Inside Amy Schumer.
During the late 2010s, Benjamin began espousing increasingly extreme political views, including conspiracy theories, white supremacy, antisemitism, homophobia, and neo-Nazism.[35][2][3][5][36][4] In 2019, he was banned from multiple social media platforms for violating their policies, including X (formally Twitter), Facebook, Instagram, and YouTube.[7][8][9] These included antisemitic remarks, homophobic remarks, and calling Barack Obama a "nigger".[5][8][10]
As of 2023, Benjamin continues to perform standup comedy and remains active on X and streaming platforms."
Thank you for considering this edit request.
Sincerely, Todaystomsawyer1981 (talk) 14:27, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Update for recently published changes.
"Owen Smith, known as Owen Benjamin, is an American right-wing comedian and former actor. He rose to fame in stand-up comedy and mainstream film and television from 2008 to 2015, appearing in productions like The House Bunny, All's Faire in Love, and Inside Amy Schumer.
During the late 2010s, Benjamin began espousing increasingly extreme political views, including conspiracy theories, white supremacy, antisemitism, homophobia, and neo-Nazism.[37][2][3][5][38][4] In 2019, he was banned from multiple social media platforms for violating their policies, including X (formally Twitter), Facebook, Instagram, and YouTube.[7][8][9] These included antisemitic remarks, homophobic remarks, and calling Barack Obama a "nigger".[5][8][10]
As of 2023, Benjamin continues to perform standup comedy and remains active on X and streaming platforms." Todaystomsawyer1981 (talk) 16:08, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Todaystomsawyer1981: Heads up that you'll need a new edit request template if you want someone else to come along and formally review the request, but my guess is it's not worth doing given that you haven't substantively addressed the reasons Grayfell declined the last one. Are you using AI to write these? GorillaWarfare (she/her • talk) 22:51, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the suggestion. I'll create a new edit request template and address the Grayfell more clearly. I use AI for grammar assistance. Todaystomsawyer1981 (talk) 12:16, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ "Owen Benjamin: What You Need to Know". Anti Defamation League. December 26, 2023. Retrieved 2024-02-02.
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  7. ^ a b c d e f Petrizzo, Zachary (December 4, 2019). "Owen Benjamin, alt-right comedian, banned from YouTube". The Daily Dot. Archived from the original on December 6, 2019. Retrieved December 14, 2019.
  8. ^ a b c d e f g h i j k l Holt, Jared (December 13, 2019). "Instagram and Facebook Suspend Right-Wing 'Comedian' Owen Benjamin". Right Wing Watch. People For the American Way. Archived from the original on December 13, 2019. Retrieved December 14, 2019.
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  10. ^ a b c d e f Holt, Jared (February 12, 2019). "Owen Benjamin: Another 'Red Pill' Overdose Victim". Right Wing Watch. People for the American Way. Archived from the original on July 17, 2019. Retrieved July 11, 2019.
  11. ^ "Owen Benjamin: What You Need to Know". Anti Defamation League. December 26, 2023. Retrieved 2024-02-02.
  12. ^ Wilson, Jason; Squire, Megan (19 December 2021). "Revealed: Startup Creates Streaming Platform for Extremists on Big-Tech Infrastructure". Southern Poverty Law Center. Retrieved 12 September 2022.
  13. ^ a b c "Owen Benjamin - IMDb". IMDb. Archived from the original on April 25, 2023. Retrieved 2024-04-30.
  14. ^ a b "Owen Benjamin". Rotten Tomatoes. Archived from the original on December 14, 2022. Retrieved 2024-04-30.
  15. ^ "Laugh Factory". Laugh Factory. Archived from the original on 30 April 2024. Retrieved 2024-04-30.
  16. ^ "Owen Benjamin". The Glee Club. 2019-05-01. Archived from the original on April 30, 2024. Retrieved 2024-04-30.
  17. ^ a b c "Noble Savage (2023) ⭐ 6.2". IMDb. 2023-10-13. Retrieved 2024-04-30.
  18. ^ a b "Owen Benjamin Movies and Shows". Apple TV+. Archived from the original on April 17, 2023. Retrieved 2024-04-30.
  19. ^ a b "Owen Benjamin: Movies, TV, and Bio". Amazon Prime Video. 2024-03-22. Archived from the original on April 30, 2024. Retrieved 2024-04-30.
  20. ^ a b "Comedian Owen Benjamin's Hilarious Ballad About Relationships". Oprah Winfrey Network. 2016-02-20. Archived from the original on September 25, 2023. Retrieved 2024-04-30.
  21. ^ a b c Schweitzer, Kate (March 17, 2009). "Christina Ricci is Engaged!". Us Weekly. Archived from the original on March 20, 2009.
  22. ^ a b c "Oswego native Owen Benjamin to perform at Funny Bone in Syracuse". Oswego County News Now (Press release). August 31, 2016. Archived from the original on July 10, 2019.
  23. ^ a b c d "Owen Benjamin: What You Need to Know". Anti Defamation League. December 26, 2023. Retrieved 2024-02-02.
  24. ^ Wilson, Jason; Squire, Megan (19 December 2021). "Revealed: Startup Creates Streaming Platform for Extremists on Big-Tech Infrastructure". Southern Poverty Law Center. Retrieved 12 September 2022.
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  31. ^ Guild, Art Directors (2013-10-09). "Comedian Owen Benjamin to Host the Art Directors Guild 18th Annual Excellence in Production Design Awards, Feb. 8". PR Newswire. Archived from the original on Dec 13, 2013. Retrieved 2024-05-01.
  32. ^ a b Greenberg, Rudi (2014-07-31). "'Sullivan & Son' star Steve Byrne brings castmates Ahmed Ahmed, Owen Benjamin and Roy Wood Jr. to the DC Improv". Washington Post. Archived from the original on Sep 14, 2019. Retrieved 2024-05-01.
  33. ^ Airey, Jacob (2018-07-31). "Owen Benjamin: The Strange Death Of Comedy". The Daily Wire. Archived from the original on Oct 31, 2019. Retrieved 2024-05-01.
  34. ^ Wilson, Jason; Squire, Megan (19 December 2021). "Revealed: Startup Creates Streaming Platform for Extremists on Big-Tech Infrastructure". Southern Poverty Law Center. Retrieved 12 September 2022.
  35. ^ "Owen Benjamin: What You Need to Know". Anti Defamation League. December 26, 2023. Retrieved 2024-02-02.
  36. ^ Wilson, Jason; Squire, Megan (19 December 2021). "Revealed: Startup Creates Streaming Platform for Extremists on Big-Tech Infrastructure". Southern Poverty Law Center. Retrieved 12 September 2022.
  37. ^ "Owen Benjamin: What You Need to Know". Anti Defamation League. December 26, 2023. Retrieved 2024-02-02.
  38. ^ Wilson, Jason; Squire, Megan (19 December 2021). "Revealed: Startup Creates Streaming Platform for Extremists on Big-Tech Infrastructure". Southern Poverty Law Center. Retrieved 12 September 2022.
 Not done: closing since the OP intends on starting a new edit request that would hopefully address the raised concerns. M.Bitton (talk) 15:22, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Too much WP:WEIGHT on The Daily Dot and Right Wing Watch

I marked up many of the citations with {{Verify credibility|date=May 2024}} . These two sources are questionable WP:RSP . If you look at the citations themselves, the quality is very low. This article brings down the quality of the encyclopedia. Can someone please work to improve it? Tonymetz 💬 19:09, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Where is Right Wing Watch on RSP? It's a WP:BIASEDSOURCE but it seems properly attributed throughout. As for Daily Dot, several of the statements you tagged are backed by multiple sources. Regardless, I'll see about augmenting the sourcing. No harm in it. GorillaWarfare (she/her • talk) 22:48, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 14 May 2024

In repsonse to Grayfell continued from 'Semi-protected edit request on 29 April 2024':

This lead section version removes verbose language as suggested by GorillaWare. Addressing false balance, I clarified his initial claim to fame through acting and comedy while recognizing he has become more notorious recently due to his controversial views. This version also acknowledges that he is actively performing stand-up comedy to reflect the sources. It maintains a neutral tone by stating the facts about his career and the controversies associated with his public persona while avoiding any endorsement or promotion of his views. It's not my intention to ignore sources. I removed repeated information in the summation and statements that I felt were out of place for a lead statement. This information includes the details of his remarks on social media. This information would be more appropriate in the body.

If the "softening" of the article shifts it back to neutral, this is correct. If you are suggesting "hardening" the subject's biography to tarnish the subject's PR, this is far from neutral.

"Owen Smith, professionally known as Owen Benjamin, is an American right-wing comedian and former actor. He gained initial fame from stand-up comedy and mainstream film and television between 2008 and 2015. He is known for promoting conspiracy theories, white supremacy, antisemitism, homophobia, and neo-Nazism.[1][2][3][4][5][6] In 2019, he was banned from multiple social media platforms for violating their policies, including X (formally Twitter), Facebook, Instagram, and YouTube.[7][8][9]

As of 2023, Benjamin continues to perform standup comedy and remains active on X and streaming platforms."

Todaystomsawyer1981 (talk) 21:07, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This is the proposal:
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'''Owen Smith''', known professionally as '''Owen Benjamin''', is an American [[Conspiracy theory|conspiracy theorist]] and [[Internet celebrity|internet personality]] known for promoting [[white supremacy]], [[antisemitism]], [[homophobia]], and [[neo-Nazism]]. He was a [[Stand-up comedy|stand-up comedian]] and [[actor]] who had minor roles in mainstream film and television between 2008 and 2015. In the late 2010s, Benjamin began expressing more extreme political views. In 2019, he was banned from several mainstream social media platforms for violations of their policies, including [[Twitter]], [[Facebook]], [[Instagram]], and [[YouTube]]. These included antisemitic remarks, homophobic remarks, and calling [[Barack Obama]] a "[[nigger]]".
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'''Owen Smith''', professionally known as '''Owen Benjamin''', is an American right-wing comedian and former actor. He gained initial fame from [[stand-up comedy]] and mainstream film and television between 2008 and 2015. He is known for promoting conspiracy theories, [[white supremacy]], [[antisemitism]], [[homophobia]], and [[neo-Nazism]]. In 2019, he was banned from multiple social media platforms for violating their policies, including [[Twitter | X]] (formally Twitter), [[Facebook]], [[Instagram]], and [[YouTube]]. As of 2023, Benjamin continues to perform standup comedy and remains active on X and [[Streaming media | streaming platforms]]."
Per previous discussions, he is most notable now as a conspiracy theorist. The only real function change I see with this proposal is to downplay his extremism and indirectly advertise that he is still active as a standup comedian. The body of the article does not directly say that he is still a stand-up comedian. Instead it says that his mainstream stand-up comedy career has ended. Adding unsourced and promotional mateiral to the lead is inappropriate. Grayfell (talk) 21:36, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for your reply. The source's majority refer him as a comedian in titles and content, even the less flattering ones. My version concurs that his mainstream career has ended while recognizing his recent activity. We could emphasize that he is active outside mainstream comedy, but this would read more like a heroic novel than a bibliography. For example, "Despite his fall from mainstream comedy, Benjamin continues to perform stand-up...".
Additionally, the current bibliography does not accurately reflect the sources regarding his stand-up comedy activity in the lead statement and body. See "Owen Benjamin: What You Need to Know".[15] This specific source, as unfavorable as it is, notes his recent stand-up activity in 2023 while also acknowledging his initial notoriety in mainstream film and comedy. I fail to see how including his recent activities as "advertising" unless we are also to believe the ADL is promoting him.
My focus is the lead statement, but if you would like me to make body suggestions that accurately reflect the sources, please let me know.
Sincerely, Todaystomsawyer1981 (talk) 13:23, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Your version of the lead does not mention that his mainstream career has ended. There is a timeline here: He was a minor actor and mainstream conservative comedian. His public statements became drastically more extreme. Now he is exclusively notable as an extremist and conspiracy theorist. In other words, he was not known as a white supremacist conspiracy theorist during his mainstream career, and it was his open racism which ended that career. Perhaps that might seem obvious, but what's obvious to us will not necessarily be obvious to readers.
As for the ADL, there are some unrelated problems with that source, but accepting it for the moment, it only mentions his performance as context for his extremism. It doesn't present him as a comedian who is also an extremist, it describes him as an extremist who has sometimes presented his extremism through the stand-up comedy format. Grayfell (talk) 19:46, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
 Not done: Per above. ABG (Talk/Report any mistakes here) 14:03, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ "Owen Benjamin: What You Need to Know". Anti Defamation League. December 26, 2023. Retrieved 2024-02-02.
  2. ^ a b c Einbinder, Nicole (April 11, 2019). "White nationalists continue to post on Instagram, despite a new Facebook policy banning such content". Insider. Archived from the original on April 14, 2019. Retrieved April 14, 2019.
  3. ^ a b c Lorenz, Taylor (October 30, 2018). "Instagram Is Teeming With Anti-Semitism". The Atlantic. Archived from the original on March 29, 2019. Retrieved June 2, 2019.
  4. ^ a b c d Petrizzo, Zachary (December 13, 2019). "Alt-right comedian Owen Benjamin banned from Instagram over anti-Semitic memes". The Daily Dot. Archived from the original on June 29, 2021. Retrieved June 27, 2021.
  5. ^ Wilson, Jason; Squire, Megan (19 December 2021). "Revealed: Startup Creates Streaming Platform for Extremists on Big-Tech Infrastructure". Southern Poverty Law Center. Retrieved 12 September 2022.
  6. ^ a b c Sommer, Will (June 1, 2021). "Neighbors Fear Bear-Themed Compound Will Be Next Ruby Ridge". The Daily Beast. Archived from the original on June 3, 2021. Retrieved June 27, 2021.
  7. ^ a b c Petrizzo, Zachary (December 4, 2019). "Owen Benjamin, alt-right comedian, banned from YouTube". The Daily Dot. Archived from the original on December 6, 2019. Retrieved December 14, 2019.
  8. ^ a b c d Holt, Jared (December 13, 2019). "Instagram and Facebook Suspend Right-Wing 'Comedian' Owen Benjamin". Right Wing Watch. People For the American Way. Archived from the original on December 13, 2019. Retrieved December 14, 2019.
  9. ^ a b c Goforth, Claire (March 24, 2020). "Banned 'alt-right' comedian returns to spread coronavirus misinformation". The Daily Dot. Archived from the original on July 8, 2020. Retrieved July 17, 2020.
  10. ^ "Owen Benjamin: What You Need to Know". Anti Defamation League. December 26, 2023. Retrieved February 2, 2024.
  11. ^ Wilson, Jason; Squire, Megan (December 19, 2021). "Revealed: Startup Creates Streaming Platform for Extremists on Big-Tech Infrastructure". Southern Poverty Law Center. Archived from the original on February 4, 2023. Retrieved September 12, 2022.
  12. ^ Cite error: The named reference redpill was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
  13. ^ "Owen Benjamin: What You Need to Know". Anti Defamation League. December 26, 2023. Retrieved 2024-02-02.
  14. ^ Wilson, Jason; Squire, Megan (19 December 2021). "Revealed: Startup Creates Streaming Platform for Extremists on Big-Tech Infrastructure". Southern Poverty Law Center. Retrieved 12 September 2022.
  15. ^ "Owen Benjamin: What You Need to Know". Anti Defamation League. December 26, 2023. Retrieved 2024-02-02.

Semi-protected edit request on 3 June 2024

72.255.128.47 (talk) 15:03, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

He is not a white supremist

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Charliehdb (talk) 16:54, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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