Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Korea

Hyundai

Can other people more knowledgeable than me help clean up Hyundai and all the related disambiguation pages, redlinks, templates, and plain wrong information? I worked on translating the main Hyundai template, and then noticed there were separate templates for different Hyundai groups, which need to be combined or organized somehow. I've worked on the Hyundai and Hyundai Group articles, which need more work. I think we can delete Hyundai Group (disambiguation) or redirect it to Hyundai Group. The article Hyundai should provide better guidance for readers who just typed Hyundai, probably looking for the car company or other specific Hyundai product. I'm not sure whether Hyundai or Hyundai Group should be the main article on the detailed history of the companies. It would be nice to have a complete chart of all the Hyundai companies, showing the histories and relationships. CronusXT 22:45, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

I'll try to help, but I'm quite amazed at how uninformative the Hyundai article is. I am not an expert in Hyundai's history but I can do some research. Good friend100 00:31, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

JPOV Sockpupp

Hey guys, I'm really frustrated with sockpuppetting from both KPOV & JPOV accounts. We've lost several key WikiProject Korea editors who were found to be sockpuppets.

On the other hand, we've gathered evidence of JPOV Wikpidians mobilizing in forums such as 2ch.net. And they've been very smart in managing time, areas of interest, etc. so that the user accounts may not be tagged as sock puppets.

For example, when I submitted sockpuppet report for Opp2, I noticed that on his edit summary, he was virtually 24-hour working machine. I don't know how it's possible, but he has edited throughout all time zones. In other words, you don't even know in which time zone he lives. I believe that he's actually sock puppet controlled by several forum members at once.

Now, Opp2 is completely inactive. He's completely out of the Dokdo discussion. And guess what, new accounts pop up! They have absolutely 0 info on their user pages. They are the red accounts. Shroud00, SO, Yuje, etc. Hmm... Now that Opp2 has lost his credibility & disappeared, other accounts pop up around the same time! Suspicious?

Seriously, I have only few people I trust on Korean articles. So, GL HF! (Wikimachine 23:59, 2 March 2007 (UTC))

Calling all editors

One of my goals in Wikipedia is to bring the Japanese invasions of Korea (1592-1598) to a featured article status. I would greatly appreciate any help given on research, uploading useful maps and battles, or simply correcting grammer, etc. Good friend100 12:55, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Hey Good friend100, as for bringing Japanese invasions of Korea to featured article standard (which, by the way, was our agenda last year as well...), there's no way we can achieve this unless we can apply citation-per-factual statement mode of referencing. There are just too many POV's, rumors, and personal theories that are intermingled with the facts that there's no way to fix them under the status quo. Furthermore, whenever some "expert" adds his own personal craps, there's no way for users like us to check upon them; therefore, the article's constantly undergoing degradation. Finally, I think that the best I could do for the article is grammar & contents (very limited number of sources on this topic for me here), but I feel that they'd be fixed further by other "experts" (I've seen it happen).

We need lots of refs so that when an "expert" adds something, we can rush in, revert, and slam on the desk: "You are wrong, and this is why."

(Wikimachine 04:11, 14 March 2007 (UTC))

Goguryeo and the Northeast Project

I think an article on Northeast Project should be created to keep the Goguryeo article, as well as many other Korean kingdoms claimed by the Chinese government, clean from edit wars. By doing so, we can limit all the recent claims by the Chinese government within the Northeast Project article. We can also give readers proper context by providing explanations on other related historical distortions of the Chinese government, such as the Southwest Project(Tibet) and Northwest Project(East Turkestan). So, any suggestions?

I went on and created the article anyway. I think it would be a good idea to reroute all the controversy in Goguryeo and other related article to that particular article. It gives better context. Cydevil 09:56, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

This is a very smart move. (Wikimachine 20:19, 7 March 2007 (UTC))

Alert Wholesale Deletion of Material

User: 69.91.40.233 I am almost certain is Ming-Loyalist The slang term being "chinnazi" . Cydevil Might know who im talking about. He is deleting material on Yang Manchun and articles his edits are full of POV like "Goguryeo army was totally annilhated out by a mere 5,000 Chinese army" etc and added a controvesy section, he uses soley Chinese sources. As it is you guys will have to work this out I won't be able to sign in for a while. Jegal 02:34, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

I don't think he's Ming_Loyalist. He'd be a more extremist. However, there is a certain active Chinese nationalist who lives in Houston, Texas. Cydevil 23:44, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Citing controversial sources like Hwandan Gogi

From looking at many history-related Korean articles like Go Mosu, some Korean editors have taken the liberty of citing controversial sources like Hwandan Gogi. As much as I hope that those sources may someday be authenticated and verified as reliable sources to enrich Korean history, I must insist that as long as Wikipedia is a general encyclopedia, we should refrain from citing such sources to make what would be articles that contain very controversial material. Has there been any coherent policy on citing sources like Hwandan Gogi? Cydevil 06:24, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Korea history

A respectable Wikipedian Nlu has resquested for Rfc on Korea history for KPOV. Could you guys comment on this? (Wikimachine 02:01, 10 March 2007 (UTC))

This is just wrong. A bunch of Chinese extremists persistently vandalize the Goguryeo article, and Nlu is completely silent to those Chinese extremists even though some of them make blatant racist attacks. Also, speaking of "KPOV", he believes the current Goguryeo article is "anti-Chinese" despite the fact that the article is well up to the NPOV standards coherent with neutral sources of authority. Cydevil 10:39, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Well, how he's dealing with the matter matters for now. I also think that there's lots of KPOV, too, and CPOV & JPOV. But getting rid of one more POV would be better than nothing, and this is request for comments. What's so wrong about listening to outside opinions? (Wikimachine 13:44, 10 March 2007 (UTC))

Are you talking about KPOV, CPOV, JPOV in general, or that Goguryeo is KPOV? If the latter is the case, then I'd strongly disagree. Anyways, as for many other articles, I'd definitely agree there's a lot of KPOV, especially those materials that cite Hwandan Gogi and other controversial texts as its source. Cydevil 18:06, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Sort keys in categories

I would like to solicit discussion on whether to use "South Korea" or "Korea, South" as category sort keys at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style (Korea-related articles)#Sort keys for categories. YooChung 03:01, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

I favor Korea, South or better yet, Korea, Republic(the most accurate). North Korea would be Korea, Democratic People's Republic, or Korea, North. I think those two are more suitable for readers because when there is a alphabetical list of countries, readers can just search for Korea and choose from either ROK or DPRK which are right next to eachother. Cydevil 13:30, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

I love both of the alternatives. (Wikimachine 13:43, 10 March 2007 (UTC))

Why not Republic of Korea (ROK), I like that alternative the best. Good friend100 04:40, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

I would appreciate it if comments were made at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style (Korea-related articles)#Sort keys for categories so as to keep the discussion in one place. TIA. YooChung 05:55, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Goguryeo, yet again

Nlu is attempting to mediate the dispute in Goguryeo article, and I find many of his proposals biased and unacceptable. Also, I find it very unfair that Goguryeo article has to be distorted with a Chinese bias just because some Chinese extremists are engaging in edit warring. I think this requires some top priority attention from WP:KO. Cydevil 09:52, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

The results are what I fear the most. Mediators' top priority is to stop the warring and stablize the article. I'm not trying to be rude to mediators but their knowledge of Goguryeo and its history is less than what we have. Most likely, they will simply conclude that "Goguryeo is neither Korean or Chinese" to stop the warring. This statement is obviously not true. Even the modern politics section in the Goguryeo article have prominent facts that Goguryeo is Korean. Good friend100 00:33, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

LOL! That's exactly right! That's why I hesitated in giving up Dokdo article to mediation. At the same time, I think what Nlu is doing is legitimate & he stays cool. If we were to not participate in his initiatives, then the situation would be whole lot worse because the Goguryeo article would look as if there is some sort of Korean lobbying & as if the editors opposing the CPOV are KPOV & therefore the mediators will be unwilling to take sides on both POV's and ultimately draw conclusions on their own. Try to be more like the JPOV editors, who stay cool all the time (except Opp2) & use the administration as a tool. That is not to say that we should try to take advantage of the rules, but I want to emphasize the importance of being cool-headed & looking more acceptable & open-minded. (Wikimachine 22:50, 13 March 2007 (UTC))

Agree, at least Nlu stays and directs his efforts to resolving the fighting. I wonder how most admins would start pulling their hair at the discussion in the Goguryeo talk page. Good friend100 00:12, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Goguryeo mediation

Request for mediation has been filed for Goguryeo, Balhae and Northeast Project. Those interested please join. Wikipedia:Requests for mediation/Goguryeo Cydevil 23:52, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

I haven't edited & discussed in the Goguryeo article for long enough to participate in the mediation, but anytime you guys think that CPOV becomes too overwhelming to bear, let me know, so that I can use legitimate means to correct any bias or disadvantage. I've already participated in 3 mediations, so I think I'm good. (Wikimachine 04:02, 14 March 2007 (UTC))

Even the Korean history template is now a disputed article in the mediation, added by an anon-IP whom I suspect to be Yeahsoo. This is getting more and more ridiculous. Cydevil 05:34, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Situation is very dire

I drop all of my previous comments on the Goguryeo article. The editor called Ksyrie is very dangerous, and extremely CPOV. The situation's very dire, guys, and whatever that happens on the Goguryeo article will set precedence for other Korean historical articles to be overturned by Chinese points of view. It's an SOS. (Wikimachine 04:50, 14 March 2007 (UTC))

Wikimachine, I understand your efforts at the Goguryeo talk page and in general housekeeping around Korean related articles, however Wikiproject Korea is not to be used for reinforcement and support to "fight" the other party. The best way is to simply ignore POV editors who supply POV claims.

Remember, wikipedia is to make the articles better. The debate is really on whether or not Goguryeo was Korean or Chinese and does nothing. I'm not trying to discourage you, just keep a cool head and don't react to things before thinking. Good friend100 23:50, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Yeah. At the same time, just in case any CPOV editors want to use this post to discret me or the wikiproject, I'd like to say that I was only communicating with those actually within the dispute (it would be very unpractical for me to go to each one of the 10 user talk pages). (Wikimachine 16:56, 16 March 2007 (UTC))

Navigation layout

I adjusted the Navigation Bar on the main project space slightly (to eliminate the white spaces and the weird shape). Anyone have trouble with it? AQu01rius (User • Talk) 07:03, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

The lead section is now too crowded with non-text: the shortcut box, navigation bar, and image are all bunched up together. I also think the navigation bar is too wide to be a floating table (instead of the centered non-floating table it was before). Kiersta 11:32, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

To do list

While trying to clean up the to do list, I realized that there didn't seem to be any criteria for including an entry in the to do list. Including everything that needed improvement would obviously make it far too large. There's also no criteria for removing entries from the list, making it uncertain when other people's additions may be removed (which seems to result in a slowly growing and unbounded list). I would like to propose using a to do list which link to larger pages by task.

I built such a to do list at User:Kiersta/Korea to do. This list also links to the non-existant Wikipedia:WikiProject Korea/Cleanup, which could serve a similar role as Wikipedia:WikiProject Korea/Redlist, but for existing pages that need to be cleaned up. (Linked to Wikipedia:Pages needing attention/Korea instead.) User:Kiersta/To do test compares the proposed to do list and the current to do list. I would like to make sure that people don't object to the proposed list before replacing the current one. Kiersta 20:08, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Actually, what you're doing is much better than the current one. However, I thought that the to-do list that fits in the template boxes should be small enough & easy to access - that is, people should be able to look at the to-do list & then get started on it. Setting up a bureaucratic way of presenting the to-do list would be unproductive. So, however putting your form as "more"? (Wikimachine 20:25, 14 March 2007 (UTC))

What do you mean with your last question? Kiersta 05:22, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Like, "This is only a selected portion of the to-do lists. Click here for a larger to-do list." Also, maybe we could have only the high-priority articles in the selected portion. (Wikimachine 00:29, 16 March 2007 (UTC))

Do we have a larger to do list? (Actually, I think that every link in my proposed list is a much larger to do list for each area. ^_^;;) I'm also experimenting with including specific articles in the to do list in User:Kiersta/Korea to do with articles (the instructions will not be transcluded in the WikiProject page or banners). It attempts to limit the number of listed articles by specifying an explicit expiration date instead of using inclusion criteria. Kiersta 00:47, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

No one seems to think that the proposed list is worse than the old one, so I went ahead and replaced it. Feel free to include important articles that need to be worked on in the list. The included instructions state that entries should be removed after a month, so I won't have to worry about offending someone when I try to clean up the list. ;) Kiersta 13:34, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

It's absolutely amazing! I love it! Thanks for the work. (Wikimachine 16:21, 19 March 2007 (UTC))

Indeed -- nice additions. Thank you. Mumun 無文 16:42, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Korea history

There is a discussion regarding Korea history (talk · contribs)'s behavior on WP:ANI. Per the suggestion of another administrator, due to his/her involvement in editing Korea-related articles, I am requesting interested parties to comment on his/her behavior there. --Nlu (talk) 04:31, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

What did he do? Good friend100 15:58, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Nothing. (Wikimachine 23:22, 18 March 2007 (UTC))

History Forum

I don't know if this allowed or not.

Anyway What is a good name for a Korean History Forum? And would some of you KoreanWikipedians like to be MODs? Jegal 01:42, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

What is it? (Wikimachine 01:59, 20 March 2007 (UTC))

......A forum Im asking for Korean Wikipedians to be MODs. http://koreanhistory.forumwise.com/index.php?sid=942f497c1720c4fbcc6cdb8749a40f4f Jegal 00:11, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Hey thats cool, it looks like you have good knowledge in internet site...I'm interested. Good friend100 01:00, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

peer review

Hey guys, I put up a peer review for the Japanese invasions of Korea (1592-1598). Check the talk page for a link to the peer review. Hopefully, we can get some good comments and suggestions to make the article better and bring it up to featured article status. Good friend100 00:00, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

sock

I have not confirmed anything, but I am positive that users Cydevil and Nlu are operated by the same editor. Keep an eye on both, and I'd be greateful if editors or admins looked into this. Oyo321 11:03, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Ummm what are you talking about? Nlu is an admin and they are both oh the opposite sides of the argument. Don't make accusations without evidence. Good friend100 12:34, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

This whole "you're a sockpuppet" thing is becoming too much. On every talkpage I'm at, someone is "accused" of being a sockpuppet. *sigh* oncamera^(t) 15:14, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

What's up with people who have this "Image:Samjogo (jian).gif" on their talk pages? Just joking. (Wikimachine 05:29, 25 March 2007 (UTC))

How to assess articles

I used to be able to find it, but for now the directions on how to assess articles is gone. (Wikimachine 03:57, 25 March 2007 (UTC))

I usually click on the "quality" and "priority" links in the WikiProject banner to look at how articles should be rated (which means I need to fill some arbitrary rating and use the preview). The documentation for {{korean}} includes the instructions on how the ratings should be written down. Kiersta 00:12, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Should we copy-paste that info unto the "Assess an article" link at the Korean template? (Wikimachine 02:14, 26 March 2007 (UTC))

That's probably a good idea. In fact, I'll do something similar right now. Kiersta 01:11, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Multiple articles on same person

I don't have much experience with romanization of Hangul, but there appear to be a trifecta of articles about the same person at Midang, So chungju, and Sŏ Chŏng-ju. I'm not sure if there are more. Although the second title is clearly incorrect, I'm not clear as to what the right title would be (Seo Jeong-ju?). Particularly since there is merging to be done, I thought I would mention it here in the hopes that a more knowledgeable editor can straighten things out. Dekimasuよ! 12:53, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Yes, all three of them are about the same person.

If there is a better place to list this so that the articles can be merged, please let me know. Or if someone can at least tell me which title is the most appropriate, I can go ahead and do it myself. Dekimasuよ! 02:39, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

I think Seo Jeong-ju [1] should be the main article; just merge them and re-direct all those to that article. oncamera^(t) 02:50, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

I finished the merge and moved the page to Seo Jeong-ju per this advice. Hope it looks okay. Dekimasuよ! 08:32, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Timeline of Imjin War

I propse deletion, and/or move and fixation of the Timeline of the Imjin War. First of all, the title is not in accordance with the consensus reached over the title of the Imjin War, the Japanese invasions of Korea (1592-1598), and secondly the content is KPOV in that it deals with the biographical details of the major Korean historical figures concerned with the war. First of all, personal biographies has nothing to do with a war time line. Secondly, the historical characters from other nations - Japan and China, should be treated just as much as the Korean characters in their contents. (Wikimachine 18:16, 27 March 2007 (UTC))

Should be fixed so that it is more NPOV and inclusive of the Japanese timeline. Many editors have contributed, looks worthwhile, is comprehensive, and is informative in its current state --Mumun 無文 18:33, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Awards

Hey, I think that WP:KO should have some sort of vote process for giving out barnstars for hard work. By examining user's edit history, etc., we should award the ones who made Korean articles better. Let me tell you first that admin Visviva did a lot to make the Korean articles "possible". He's basically inactive for now, but I think the reason is that writing articles about Korea on Wikipedia lose meaning for people when they do it too much or they observe that nothing much comes out of it. Another person coming to mind is Kiersta. If you look at his edits, he joined this month, but he's done a lot to keep WikiProject Korea running. (Wikimachine 03:54, 29 March 2007 (UTC))

I think there are many editors who deserve a barnstar for their hard work, whether it be on the main space, talk page, or keeping things tidy here~ Also, is it possible for WP:KO to make their own barnstar like the ones on these pages? Geographic, WikiProject awards. oncamera^(t) 16:21, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

I'll try to make a WP:KO award. How about using the Collaboration of the Month logo? (Wikimachine 16:42, 29 March 2007 (UTC))

Sure. And after reading WP:BAP, it probably be easier to have it on Personal User Awards, unless someone wants to go through the paperwork in proposing it as a WP barnstar. oncamera^(t) 16:59, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Actually we might not even need a WP:KO award. Too many extraneous stuffs on Wikipedia.(Wikimachine 22:09, 29 March 2007 (UTC))

WP:KO template

One thing I noticed was that on many talk pages, wikiproject templates fill the first full screen height. I think it's really ridiculous, and actually want to congradulate WP:JP for reducing their template size. Let's do the same. WP:KO isn't doing all that good of work in comparison to other wikiprojects, I think, (I mean we are but not enough people, not large enough, etc.), but seems as if we want to show off the most. That's not how it should be.

The grading stuffs in addition to the edit instructions make our template about 1/3 the size of my computer screen. I don't like that at all. Could somebody who's good at editing templates make it extremely condensed and small? The problem is that there is a small version of our template, however we can't go around replacing all korean templates with small=yes korean templates, can we? (Wikimachine 22:09, 29 March 2007 (UTC))

Is it possible to just copy-paste most of the Japan template over the Korea one because there's another issue here with the current one. oncamera^(t) 23:03, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

The issue mentioned in Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Korea/Popular culture is related to Wikipedia:WikiProject Korea/Assessment, not with {{korean}}. I don't think it's a problem because there's no need for {{korean}} to do {{ga}}'s job. Simply copying over {{WPJ}} is also going to break much of the categorization that {{korean}} does.

I'd be willing to rewrite the blurb so that's it's shorter if everyone agrees what should be in it. My suggestion is an invitation similar to {{WPJ}}, ratings and working group information in a small font, and removing one of the images (maybe the one on the left?). I had considered rewriting the blurb during my rewrite of {{korean}}, but decided not to unilaterally change it since I didn't know whether many people found the embedded links useful. YooChung 12:21, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

I actually think that the assessment is a pretty good idea. It gives us means to connect all Korean articles together. It's like, I don't know what's been written & what's not b/c there are so many different ways to make a title for a Korea-related article, but there are not enough redirects. I just don't want all the links to editing Korean articles. Links to "Assess an article", "Portal:Korea", etc. are useful, though. It allowed me to assess articles much more quickly than I'd have without the assess feature. (Wikimachine 15:10, 30 March 2007 (UTC))

Aren't everything under "Korea-related tasks" normally hidden, so their size shouldn't be much of an issue here? I'm a little confused since you're mentioning the "Assess an article" link. (It starts out hidden in Safari 2, IE6, and Firefox 2. As a side note, the tasks are a transclusion of Wikipedia:WikiProject Korea/to do.) YooChung 02:19, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

I was talking about "Community: Discussion - Notice board", "Guidelines: Manual of Style - Naming conventions", and "Navigation: Key topics - Browse - Portal" - all of which could be hidden or deleted. (Wikimachine 02:51, 31 March 2007 (UTC))

Naval history of Korea

Is there an article about the naval history of Korea? If there isn't one, I will make a new article on it. Good friend100 13:03, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

I just made Naval history of Korea. Good friend100 13:34, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

I think that Joseon Navy is the one. (Wikimachine 15:38, 31 March 2007 (UTC))

Yes, but the naval history of korea covers the naval history of the entire korea. Good friend100 16:31, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Requesting more eyes

An IP editor at Sungkyun Language Institute insists on adding names of individual instructors to the page (including a cross-namespace redirect linking to the userpage of the editor who started the article, and nicknames like Valentin "Most likely to edit this page next" Macias). He has reverted my edits twice, including reverting the ambiguous links I fixed and my proposal to merge the article with Sungkyunkwan University. I referred him to WP:COI to no apparent effect. Please provide your thoughts, if you have the time. Dekimasuよ! 07:52, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Adding non-relevant material, or attempting to insert material which is considered as such without using the talk page to discuss is vandalism, pure and simple. The article should be merged with the main article of the university. Because we are talking about one of the oldest educational institutions in the world, such behaviour is all the more unacceptable. If this continues we can report the user to the persistent vandal or incident boards. Also, let's try to reduce trollish behaviour (as per WP:TROLL) and avoid feeding this user, who has shown trollish tendencies, and who seem to want to raise a ruckus in the rumpus room -- I believe the user Jpbarass is here only to cause trouble. ^^ --Mumun 無文 16:35, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Chonji / Tianchi / etc.

A move request is currently underway at Talk:Cheonji lake, to which I would value contributions from members of this project. --Stemonitis 08:23, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Bilateral relations discussion

I would like to invite you all to participate in a discussion at this thread regarding bilateral relations between two countries. All articles related to foreign relations between countries are now under the scope of WikiProject Foreign relations, a newly created project. We hope that the discussion will result in a more clean and organized way of explaining such relationships. Thank you. Ed ^{¿Cómo estás?} 18:05, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

WPNK

Please check out new article Workers Party of North Korea. I myself do not speak Korean, and have difficulty adding material from Korean sources. For example I'm interested to know if there is material at the Korean wiki articles ko:북조선로동당 제2차당대회 and ko:북조선로동당 제1차당대회 worth adding to the article. Also, the article lacks images, is there anywhere one could find PD/fair use images of party congress, press, propaganda material or pictures of leaders of the party at the time? --Soman 08:09, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

{{WikiProject Korea}}

I've made some further changes to the template in an attempt to reduce its size. I reduced the size of the picture (because it's a tall picture, it captures more space then a picture with similar size but shorter). I also changed the To Do slightly. Feel free to adjust my change! AQu01rius (User • Talk) 05:24, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Geomun-do

Please take a look at Port Hamilton. I am proposing that the modern English name of the island respects the native name, which is spelled "Komundo" by the U.S. government, and "Geomun-do" by South Korea. "Port Hamilton" is a WW2-era name for Geomun-do, like "Quelpart Island" used to be for Jeju-do (note the South Korean spelling, not the U.S. government spelling Cheju Island). Google and other sources show that "Port Hamilton" now should be about a Canadian port. Please comment on the proposed move of "Port Hamilton" to the proper modern name "Geomun-do".WikiWitchWest 06:19, 16 April 2007 (UTC)