Template talk:Largest cities in Turkey

Edit request on 6 February 2012

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References These references will appear in the article, but this list appears only on this page. Turkey Turkey Largest cities in Turkey ar:قالب:المدن الكبرى في تركيا ca:Plantilla:Ciutats més grans de Turquia

Oguzhanc (talk) 11:36, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

Not done: Please detail the change you'd like to make. Thanks, Celestra (talk) 15:53, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

Protection

Okay, I have requested page protection to stop you guys from fighting over the right picture representing Istanbul. It is a quite silly affair this! No doubt the page will be protected in the wrong version, but that is part of the game. No one is happy with protection, no one seems to agree with any other picture then his/her own...

So, let us try to find a compromise. To start with that: why should we use a skyline and not a historical significant building? The Banner _talk 21:33, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

As a citizen of İstanbul, I liked the picture! Low left side won't be green anymore unfortunately because of Tayyip Erdoğan. So the picture is quite meaningful for now. --Ail Subway (talk) 19:08, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

Edit Request About Update of Template

Template, with this situation, far from meeting the needs. I believe that this formation should be done. There are many reasons for this. 1.Turkish Statistical Institute is the Turkish government agency commissioned with producing official statistics on Turkey. As you say,yes it's a press release but the official results!! The reference, belongs to the old version not a problem for me.Also,current source based on consistent figures with Turkish Statistical Institute's data. 2.There are no state system in Turkey. That's why,cities are already connected to provincial administrations.Also, as of November 12, 2012 Metropolitan law ,adopted by the Grand National Assembly of Turkey 6360 as a law enacted.[1] 13 new Metropolitan municipalities was founded. Şanlıurfa, Hatay, Aydın, Manisa, Balıkesir, Kahramanmaraş, Van, Denizli, Muğla, Tekirdağ, Trabzon, Malatya and Mardin.Gebze is district of Kocaeli,not city ! Greece template were taken into consideration as reference. Because It has the same properties. template:Largest cities of Greece 3.About photos, of course should be a negotiation. Current pictures rather than representing a city reflect a skyscraper and tower. In addition,images pixel size, a negative effect on the size of the template.Thank you.Maurice (talk) 16:49, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

First, any reference to other templates is useless, because every template is judged on it own accord.

Second, that new law introduced regions. It did not change the provinces. And the template is asking for provinces, not regions.

Third, you give no reliable source for the sudden growth of some localities. It is quite strange to see that according to the sourcing, (yours from 2011,and the one now in the article, from 2012) for instance Ankara looses half a million inhabitants (your source counts 4,890,893 inhabitants, the 2012 source counts 4,338,620 inhabitants, a difference 552,273 inhabitants) In fact, the difference is easy to explain. Your source gives the number of inhabitants of the province, while the other source gives the inhabitants of the city. That means, that because we are discussing here the template Largest cities in Turkey, all your numbers are wrong. When you want those numbers in a template, please create a template Most populated provinces in Turkey.

Conclusion: instead of your claim Don't have a good satisfactory reason to change it ! is have explained here that I have a real good reason to revert and that you have completely missed the point and had all facts wrong.

The Banner talk 20:13, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

As I said earlier,This is not just a press release! It's results Of address based population registration system, 2012 published by Turkish Statistical Institute (the only statistical institue in Turkey. With just a press release announcing the public opinion. I suggest you to look carefully reference. Because the misconception that many here. So, see also : [2]. No state system in Turkey! All right,already we are talking about cities not provinces or disctrict. If you examine the xls file in detail, you will see that I'm right. Data and figures used in the official results and gives the total population of the cities. Here, don't have any errors and wantonness. This template has lost credibility and outdated.Maurice (talk) 11:41, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

Do you read your own sources? It is stated in the box on the top "News release". The Banner talk 14:16, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

I have updated the figures to the latest figures available at the given source. Please note that this are the numbers for the city. In a template named Largest cities in Turkey the figures for provinces or regions are totally irrelevant. If you want those numbers in a template, create a new one but don't distort this one. The Banner talk 14:34, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

Yes;you are right,it's a press release.Already, I do not deny it. My reference point is not this statement. You still have not seen the table excel format at the end of the page,unfortunately. [3] or http://www.turkstat.gov.tr/HbGetir.do?id=13425&tb_id=1 please copy-paste on the Google and check it table figures. At this stage, we still could not understand each other. Also, your last sentence is not appropriate at all.

If you want those numbers in a template, create a new one but don't distort this one !!!

This is considered WP:OWN a comment. I think,it is unacceptable. I wonder how reliable your source than official results in Turkey?? Many laws have changed in Turkey and established in many metropolitan cities. Your claims lost in actuality,unfortunately. As I said, no federated state system in Turkey like United States, Germany or Canada ! Please,u take as a reference in the above Greece template .Lastly, I wonder,do you live in Turkey ? Maurice (talk) 22:37, 16 February 2013 (UTC)

I don't own this template, I just want to keep it accurate. The numbers of inhabitants are now accurate for all cities, earlier this week updates to the latest (December 2012) figures as available in the given source. And they are all the figures of the cities, not of regions or provinces. And no, I am not from Turkey, so I do not have the COI you seem to have. I am just a vandal fighter... The Banner talk 23:02, 15 February 2013 (UTC)

Here, I can not see any conflict of interest (WP:COI) or vandalism (WP:VAN). How I can be an profit in this conflict? I just trying to right wrongs accurately known. All right;as you say, total population of the cities to be taken as a reference but necessarily be based on official data. About regions,cities located in regions in Turkey. If your opinion were true,the names of the provinces necessarily would be different. For instance;California, state of USA it contains number os cities (Los Angeles, San Diego, San Jose, San Francisco... Please analyze templates of cities in other countries. Now, I updated the template based on the total population of the cities.Maurice (talk) 00:19, 16 February 2013 (UTC)

Do you read your own sources? What you refer to is a list of provinces. It lists clearly "İl Province" and"Population of Province/District Centers and Towns/Villages and Population Growth Rate by Provinces, 2011 - 2012" Does it say anything about cities? NO IT GIVES THE NUMBERS FOR PROVINCES! Please, stop this nonsense. Start reading your own sources. The Banner talk 00:45, 16 February 2013 (UTC)

I have requested help here: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Turkey#Template:Largest cities in Turkey. The Banner talk 00:59, 16 February 2013 (UTC)

TUIK figures are reliable. (But it is difficult to decide on the population of İstanbul and Kocaeli.) You can very easily read the latest figures in the tables for most of the cities. [4] gives the population figures for all settlements except for 16 Büyükşehir (Greater city). For example the population of Malatya is 426.381. For the Greater cities one needs to check the metropolitan municipality figures in the table[5].For example the population of Eskişehir is 659.924. But İstanbul and Kocaeli, the two two cities with a very high population density have a special statue. In these cities the greater city is considered to cover all province (including the rural area). So the population of Gebze is included in the population of Kocaeli (1.527.407). But some statistics show İzmit (capital of Kocaeli province) and Gebze insdependently (which is more realistic). In this case the populations of İzmit and Genze are 302.960 and 304.283 respectively. I hope this helps. Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 03:21, 16 February 2013 (UTC)

Interesting, you give other, more reliable, sources than I had given. But the population figures are grosso mode the same. The Banner talk 10:22, 16 February 2013 (UTC)

Maybe...

... we need to chat about the pictures instead of fighting over it. Any arguments for the last revert? The Banner talk 01:00, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

The idea behind the pictures of cities is that they give a quick overview and are representative of the city.

I have collected all pictures that were used this year on the template. Please give per city your first and second preference. Votes like "all bad" or "all good" will be ignored. The Banner talk 12:42, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Thank u for choosing my picture --Magnificient The first one of Istanbul below :) --188.109.99.149 (talk) 18:59, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

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back at square one...

... because the fighting over the pictures has started again.

The essential part of the four pictures is that they give a good, quick view of the city as it is. That makes tine pictures useless, because no one is going the use magnifiers to look at a picture. A picture of a single statue, even of an important person, does not give a good representation of a city. And pictures with a political or religious load should be avoided when possible. Specific landmarks are also not real favorites, but just score good on the list "we have nothing better". So guys, add your proposals to the galleries above and let us discuss. (To promote discussion, I have applied for full protection.) The Banner talk 11:31, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

Update over 2013

Finally I found something that looks like the desired source: http://www.turkstat.gov.tr/PreHaberBultenleri.do?id=15974. Rather different then what Maurice came up with. But more worrying than being a press release is the content of this press release. In the version of Maurice the city Istanbul has 14,160,467 inhabitants. That is exactly the same as this source gives for the province Istanbul: The most populated province was İstanbul with 18.5% (14 160 467 persons) of total population in 2013. Not so strange as the statistics covered in this press release are all about provinces, not about cities. That means that the statistics are useless for this template.

I don't want to be annoying, but in a template about cities it is useful to give the number of inhabitants of that city. Not the number of inhabitants of any other entity. The Banner talk 00:29, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

Agree! And sorry for my previous revert. That turkstat souce turned out to behave in a very strange, erratic way, and suddenly also my browser could not find back to it. Problem is that also "your" previous 2012 numbers from the citypopulation source was province population numbers. Further down in same source is the city population table. By now it has also been updated with 2013 numbers. I have put them into the table, so now I guess we are all happy. Regards! --T*U (talk) 07:59, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

Yep. The Banner talk 12:07, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

Provinces

The figures (as of 2020) are of the provinces rather than the cities. Either the name of the template or the figures should bu revised. Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 14:54, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for noticing. I have reverted again to show city numbers. Certes (talk) 15:49, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

Weird gap

I'm looking at the various cities listed here, and with the exception of Istanbul, there is a weird gap between this template and the one above it. Does anyone know what's causing this? 68.109.180.231 (talk) 21:28, 19 May 2023 (UTC)