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About Keir Starmer

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MarcGarver this still seems to be happening - [1]. Helper201 (talk) 01:32, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

June 2024

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Apologies, this should have been sent several hours ago after this edit. Please provide a valid edit summary with your edits, particularly those in which you remove content. Adam Black talk • contribs 17:03, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A barnstar for you!

The Original Barnstar
Excellent implementation of WP:CFORK at Legal career of Keir Starmer BrigadierG (talk) 00:49, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

PM category

Hullo: are you aware that the category you're pasting on every PM article doesn't exist? Tim O'Doherty (talk) 18:12, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I did not know it had been renamed. Apologies. --ThingsCanOnlyGetWetter (talk) 18:14, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Categories

Please stop adding prime ministers to this category. If they are in the century specific category for Prime Ministers, they are automatically included in the main category. They do not have to be added to both. Escape Orbit (Talk) 18:26, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, I apologise. I'll help remove them right away. --ThingsCanOnlyGetWetter (talk) 18:27, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No problem. If the are listed in the century specific category, these are also within the main, parent category. Lots of categories work like this. Escape Orbit (Talk) 18:31, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I see, it's an understandable system. --ThingsCanOnlyGetWetter (talk) 18:33, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mass content removal

Please stop mass removing correctly cited content from Wikipedia pages. Helper201 (talk) 01:17, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

On this subject, it is really important that you start to use edit summaries more often. There is no issue with removing content at all if there are good reasons, but you really need to justify why you're doing something to let other editors know why you've done something Michaeldble (talk) 20:48, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah that makes a lot of sense, I have used edit summaries in some edits but will now do this more often. --ThingsCanOnlyGetWetter (talk) 21:36, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Re: Quote boxes

While I appreciate the thought, generally they're best not used on pages. What you might consider instead though is to check Wikiquote and see if there's a page set up for Revengeance, and then link that to Armstrong's external links in a similar way as we do with SHODAN. Hope that helps! Kung Fu Man (talk) 13:30, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah I understand that, I'll see if there's a Wikiquote page set up and if there is, put the quote there.--ThingsCanOnlyGetWetter (talk) 13:51, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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For a Fair Deal

Do you plan to create this page? 2A0A:EF40:E4A:E101:7840:DF74:1614:D4D1 (talk) 11:27, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I plan on getting round to it, so far I've done pages for the 2024 Labour and Conservative manifestos. --ThingsCanOnlyGetWetter (talk) 11:29, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I saw that, thank you for making them pages! 2A0A:EF40:E4A:E101:7840:DF74:1614:D4D1 (talk) 11:31, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No problem! --ThingsCanOnlyGetWetter (talk) 11:31, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Series template

Please stop removing the series templates from articles - I can't see where there's a consensus for that, just one other user saying to remove them — Czello (music) 15:54, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Alright, apologies. But I feel as though there should be a consensus for the series template on all office holders' bio pages. Can we establish one? --ThingsCanOnlyGetWetter (talk) 15:54, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It is utterly preposterous of you to claim that a couple of lines of discussion on one American politician's talk page gives you consensus to remove the sidebars from all British PMs. DuncanHill (talk) 15:54, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah I now agree, apologies. But I feel as though there should be a consensus for the series template on all office holders' bio pages. Can we establish one? --ThingsCanOnlyGetWetter (talk) 15:56, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please stop your bulk edits deleting series templates from British politicians' biography pages. You have not gained consensus for doing this. The "reason" you have been giving in your edit summaries is Removing series template. Per talk on Joe Biden's page, this template should be deleted from all office holders' bio pages. But if you read Talk:Joe Biden, it talks about American officeholders' biography pages. So it is not relevant to British politicians' biography pages.-- Toddy1 (talk) 15:57, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have already stopped doing this per the above reasons. But I do want to try and establish a consensus for it across all office holders' bio pages. --ThingsCanOnlyGetWetter (talk) 15:58, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It takes time for people to write these messages.
Why on earth would you want to do delete the series templates? They are useful (except possibly with recent American politicians who suffer from an overload of articles due to recentism).-- Toddy1 (talk) 16:04, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I apologize for that, and now see your point fully. I've even gone ahead and added some to pages that didn't have them before. --ThingsCanOnlyGetWetter (talk) 16:05, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You should not be creating controversy sections

Creating controversy sections in articles is not a good idea. Please read WP:CSECTION.-- Toddy1 (talk) 09:08, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I see your point, I'll also remove it from Corbyn's article too. --ThingsCanOnlyGetWetter (talk) 09:09, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Why did you add a sexual harassment category to a BLP?

Why did you add a sexual harassment category to a biography of a living person in this edit here when there is nothing in the article that supports its inclusion (or if there is something that supports its inclusion that I missed, can you please point it out to me)? Without a good reason and a reliable source, the addition of the category constitutes a not-insignificant BLP violation. Aoi (青い) (talk) 13:14, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Apologies. He has been accused of sexual harassment, but I won't re-add the category until it's been covered in reliable sources. --ThingsCanOnlyGetWetter (talk) 13:31, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Please read WP:CATV and the other guidelines. Categories should be clearly supported by article text and citations. For example, Jimmy Savile was never a known member of the Conservative Party, he was a pal of Margaret Thatcher but that is all. Some of the categories that you have been adding recently are not adequately supported.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 16:37, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ah I see, thank you for clarifying that. I'll also keep WP:CATV in mind for future edits. --ThingsCanOnlyGetWetter (talk) 16:41, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have reverted various categories related to the premiership of British Prime Ministers. Simply occurring during the term of office of a Prime Minister is not notable enough, it would have to be a key part of their premiership.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 11:49, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Apologies for that, I understand your reasons for reverting. I'll only add those premiership categories to articles about key parts of respective premierships in future. --ThingsCanOnlyGetWetter (talk) 12:03, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Premiership

I saw your comment on the Sunak talk page asking for a bit more depth on his premiership in the last paragraph. I've been working on rewriting his article here which has a reworked lead section if you'd like to take a look, although I probably won't be finished until some point next year. Cheers - Tim O'Doherty (talk) 15:50, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This looks absolutely brilliant, great job! A big improvement over the current version of the article. --ThingsCanOnlyGetWetter (talk) 17:19, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Chancellorship of Rishi Sunak

Hi, you need to both provide a link to "Tim O'Doherty's sandbox" and provide the sources for the harv/sfn references in the text. DuncanHill (talk) 18:16, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sure thing, the source is here --ThingsCanOnlyGetWetter (talk) 18:22, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I mean YOU need to provide the link in an edit summary for attribution, and YOU need to add the sources to the article to fix the harv/sfn no-target errors you caused, instead of leaving it to others to fix for you. DuncanHill (talk) 18:51, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Quick note on copied content

Hi ThingsCanOnlyGetWetter, I noticed your recent edit to 2024 United Kingdom general election in England had attributed copied content from 2024 United Kingdom general election. I just wanted to quickly point out that per WP:CWW/WP:ATTREQ, it is mandatory to provide a link to the source page, rather than just mentioning the name of the page. Irltoad (talk) 08:17, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for letting me know. --ThingsCanOnlyGetWetter (talk) 08:27, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've removed the episode descriptions as they are copyright and should be summarized in original prose instead, per our policy on non-free content. DanCherek (talk) 19:32, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you! I meant to get around that soon anyways. --ThingsCanOnlyGetWetter (talk) 19:47, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

United Kingdom and the Russian invasion of Ukraine

Hi, I have fixed the harv/sfn no-target errors you made in United Kingdom and the Russian invasion of Ukraine. You also left undefined two refnames - <ref name="rfe" /> and <ref name="foreignminister.gov.au" /> If you could define them that would be appreciated. I expect you copied them from other articles, but I haven't been able to work out which. DuncanHill (talk) 19:41, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, I'll try and get round to it at some point. --ThingsCanOnlyGetWetter (talk) 19:48, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Don't bother, I found them in List of humanitarian aid to Ukraine during the Russo-Ukrainian War. You REALLY need put more effort into your referencing, I often end up fixing errors caused by your failure to provide sources or define refnames. And when someone raises an error of yours "I'll try and get round to it at some point" really isn't an adequate response. DuncanHill (talk) 20:00, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Charles Ingram

I am not sure about this change. Charles Ingram is mainly notable for what happened on Millionaire, and Diana is a huge part of that story; she was even a contestant before he was. So it would seem appropriate to display both of them. If a biographical subject were notable for something their spouse had little to do with, it would be different.

Also, take a look at this revert, which had nothing to do with actual content. The current article has things out of chronological order, and perhaps a bit of unnecessary commentary. I think a revert to this version would be a significant improvement. 103.42.228.154 (talk) 12:24, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that your proposal to revert to that version would be a significant improvement. I support using the infobox picture of both of them, per what you've said. --ThingsCanOnlyGetWetter (talk) 12:55, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Gary Glitter

There was no need to split off the sexual abuse allegations into another article. All it did was to create a relatively short article which was a content fork. Articles should be split only if they are running into problems with length, see WP:SIZERULE. You have also justified this by citing WP:OTHERCONTENT, which is irrelevant. What happens at article A is not a justification for doing it at Article B. Please have a read through Wikipedia guidelines, as you are making a lot of edits that are not based on policy. ♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 07:50, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for advising me not to do this, I agree with your point that articles should be split only if they're running into problems with length. Apologies. Thank you for restoring Glitter's article to how it was before the split, I've done the same with Rolf Harris. The split articles are now back to redirects. --ThingsCanOnlyGetWetter (talk) 07:57, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Please don't make any future edits based on arguments like "Article A has this, therefore Article B must have it as well." This is a clear violation of policy and the edits will likely be reverted straight away.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 08:08, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I understand, I won't make any further edits like this. --ThingsCanOnlyGetWetter (talk) 08:15, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Despite your assurance that you wouldn't make edits like this anymore, you just did the same thing again at Labour Party leadership of Keir Starmer. Please discuss on an appropriate talk page before making wholesale changes across articles. It's not necessary (and in fact it's often undesirable) for every article to be consistent with each other. Aoi (青い) (talk) 07:05, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Understood. --ThingsCanOnlyGetWetter (talk) 08:36, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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June 2024

Hello, I noticed that you often edit a page multiple times in quick succession. I would suggest it would be better if you could do most edits in one if possible. If other editors want to read through the changes it becomes very time-consuming to have to read through multiple edits - 18 in the case of Keir Starmer's page this morning. In future, if you press 'show preview' before publishing you can play around/see what works before publishing. Hope this helps :) Michaeldble (talk) 14:16, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Apologies, will do most edits in one when possible from now on. --ThingsCanOnlyGetWetter (talk) 16:04, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I really don't understand why you moved the Labour Party leadership of Keir Starmer to a redirect without any kind of consensus? This seems completely inappropriate to essentially delete an article without consensus Michaeldble (talk) 06:52, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
He's about to form a government in a few days time, so we'll have to establish a consensus then. I'll support whatever decision is reached. --ThingsCanOnlyGetWetter (talk) 07:01, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes that's fine, but please never make such a massive change without getting consensus first like you did there. I really don't understand why you did it in the first place let alone without discussing it on the talk page properly. Michaeldble (talk) 21:32, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No worries it won't happen again. Especially as we'll have to establish a consensus soon anyway. --ThingsCanOnlyGetWetter (talk) 05:50, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Apologies for leaving yet another message, but please could you stop making so many edits all at once. On the Keir Starmer page you were asked to "please do small, well-explained edits, to help other editors keep up" and you said you'd stop in this thread above here. However, you did 20 edits on this article alone this morning and 13 on Monday. It would be far better if you explain your edits properly and make less frequent smaller edits. I do think you've done a lot of good work on that article in particular but I would ask again please can you stop doing this? Michaeldble (talk) 13:53, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Harv and Sfn no-target errors at Chancellorship of Rishi Sunak

In this edit you introduced a number of no-target errors. You then went and edited other article instead of adding the sources to the article. This behaviour, which seems commonplace for you, is disruptive and needs to stop. I have returned the article to the edit before. DuncanHill (talk) 10:30, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I apologise, I will not re-add the Harv and Sfn no-target errors in future edits. This will not happen again. --ThingsCanOnlyGetWetter (talk) 10:36, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A barnstar for you!

The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
Thank you for the immense amount of work you have contributed towards Keir Starmer & British politics in just such short time.

I see traces of you everywhere I go related to such topics. Zinderboff(talk) 13:29, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No problem! Have been glad to have helped out with those topics, Starmer in particular, whose article now looks a lot better than it did at the start of the election. Will continue to help out with his article as he assumes the premiership in two days time! --ThingsCanOnlyGetWetter (talk) 13:40, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've always been interested in foreign elections partially due to the lack of vote we have here in the PRC, so it's always refreshing to find someone keen to improve said articles. Thank you again for your work (btw brilliant username, absolutely love it)! Zinderboff(talk) 13:54, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No problem! It was a fitting username to use after Sunak's election announcement speech! Thank you for the kind words regarding my edits also. --ThingsCanOnlyGetWetter (talk) 14:03, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"Blair Babe" or "Blair Babes"?

Hi, I just came across the article about the so called "Blair Babes". In my non-native understanding of English it should probably be plural, and the article itself seems to generally refer to them in plural. However, the article title itself is singular. What's the correct iteration of such term? Zinderboff(talk) 18:31, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, I see your point regarding this. I'd recommend taking this to the talk page of the article. --ThingsCanOnlyGetWetter (talk) 18:56, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure which MOS or WP rule to cite for a move request of this kind though, do you have any ideas? Thanks! Zinderboff(talk) 22:08, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'd love to help out but I'm afraid I'm not sure either, so my best advice would be to take it to the talk page and see what others think. --ThingsCanOnlyGetWetter (talk) 22:21, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No worries, thank you for the help anyway. Hope you're having a great day! Zinderboff(talk) 22:25, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you, and I certainly am. Though as a Labour supporter, I will have an even better day tomorrow and the day after! --ThingsCanOnlyGetWetter (talk) 22:28, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No edit summary?

Really?[2] I'm not sure if I can even revert this edit once again. Maurnxiao (talk) 22:06, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nomination for merger of Template:Starmer Shadow Cabinet

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Shadow Cabinet of Rishi Sunak moved to draftspace

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Templates for Shadow Cabinets

Hey there. Just a quick heads up: Shadow Cabinets don't have templates because they are considered quite volatile and change more often. Omnis Scientia (talk) 15:15, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for letting me know! --ThingsCanOnlyGetWetter (talk) 15:18, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No worries! :) Usually what ends up happening is that we have dormant templates lying around which is worth avoiding.
Thank you, by the way, for the amazing work you've done since the election was announced! Omnis Scientia (talk) 15:27, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you so much for the kind words! Glad to be helping out with articles relating to the election. --ThingsCanOnlyGetWetter (talk) 15:29, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

July 2024

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Thank you for your work on British election articles! Please do not remove copyright violation templates from articles. An administrator will remove them once they have checked and revdeled the article. Happy editing, C F A 💬 15:14, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for the kind words! And I'll keep that in mind. --ThingsCanOnlyGetWetter (talk) 15:54, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think you are doing a lot of good work around Wikipedia, but this appears to be your fourth warning in less than a month regarding copyright violations. Please take these warnings seriously. There is a high likelihood that the next instance, if it occurs, will result in a preventative block. DanCherek (talk) 22:44, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for the kind words in the first sentence. I apologise for those four instances. As I want to continue my good work here, I will take these warnings seriously and not do further edits that feature copyright violations. --ThingsCanOnlyGetWetter (talk) 22:53, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Lead

@ThingsCanOnlyGetWetter I have great respect for you, for all the good work you've put into UK political articles throughout this election, so I am sincerely sorry to disagree with you regarding the lead for the 2024 United Kingdom general election. Hopefully, we can discuss it and come to an agreement.

Best wishes and take care.

Scotlandshire44 (talk) 10:33, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No worries! No editor is perfect and that includes myself, so I'm always open to constructive criticism. The reason I reverted it was because the articles for past elections such as 1997 have extremely long leads. If shorter leads are preferable, perhaps we should shorten the leads for the others for consistency? Thank you also for the kind words you've said about my editing of UK political articles throughout this election. --ThingsCanOnlyGetWetter (talk) 10:37, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You're most welcome. I would agree with you, regarding shortening the leads for the others. I could always help you if needed. Scotlandshire44 (talk) 10:40, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes please do, I could do with your assistance. You did a good job shortening the lead for the 2024 election. --ThingsCanOnlyGetWetter (talk) 10:45, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]


Why did you put 2024 in the United States on the article COVID-19 pandemic in the United States? There is no COVID pandemic in USA in 2024 2A01:5A8:303:C65E:4531:C196:107:B175 (talk) 21:56, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keir Starmer

@ThingsCanOnlyGetWetter Would you mind changing the date format in the references of the above article to dmy format as per British English standards. It would be great if it could be done. You see, its a big task to apply the dmy format to all the references but if you could, it would be greatly appreciated. Furthermore, could you also move all the references cited in lead to the article body as per WP:LEAD. Looking forward to the changes and your response. Regards. MSincccc (talk) 07:37, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'll get round to this as soon as possible. Let me know if I end up missing any. --ThingsCanOnlyGetWetter (talk) 07:42, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Request on adding new information on Article: Prime Minister of the United Kingdom

@ThingsCanOnlyGetWetter as a notable editor in contemporary politics, would you consider adding new information for the article Prime Minister of the United Kingdom? Article is low on information and lacks many important details. In the section “Authority, Powers and Constraints” there need to be sub-topics discussing the legislative, executive, prerogative powers of the Prime Minister in sub-sections. Can you add the following details to the article? It would be very helpful for readers and I can’t edit the page because I am a new user. Altonydean (talk) 12:05, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'll do the best I can to add these important details in due time. --ThingsCanOnlyGetWetter (talk) 12:17, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. Appreciate you taking on this task. Altonydean (talk) 14:10, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No worries. --ThingsCanOnlyGetWetter (talk) 14:43, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Alright, I hope you begin the process immediately. Best of luck. Altonydean (talk) 17:04, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The reason why I am asking you to edit this particular article is that since you are capable of editing and improving articles that are in touch with current affairs and have been prominent these past few days in contributing greatly to British political figures and recent events. I hope that you could edit this article to the fruition and presentation that it needs to be updated. It has little information regarding the powers of the Prime Minister, especially the ones I mentioned above. I am unable to accomplish this because I am a new user and my account has to be at least five or four days old to edit this article so I hope that in within that time you can edit the edit this much better than I could I have made some contributions, but they are little in comparison to the improvements that you’ve made, so that’s why I came to you to ask you to edit this article to the utmost extent. I hope you begin the work now and soon. Good luck, mate. Altonydean (talk) 17:17, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I understand, as I say I will get round to it eventually. --ThingsCanOnlyGetWetter (talk) 17:20, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pace of editing

I am getting worried about both the pace of your editing, and the username ThingsCanOnlyGetWetter. In the past few weeks you have made more edits to the UK political articles than most of the regular editors of these articles put together. This is not in itself a problem, but quite a few of the edits have not shown a clear understanding of policies and guidelines. Major changes usually require a consensus first, to avoid reverts and discussions afterwards. ♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 15:56, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Apologies. I've been complimented by other editors as being a notable editor in contemporary politics, but I see your point about making major changes without a consensus. Therefore, I shall avoid doing this from here on out. --ThingsCanOnlyGetWetter (talk) 16:08, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for changing Nigel's picture

I was just trying to find an appropriate picture to replace the one used before which was very low quality

No problem! --ThingsCanOnlyGetWetter (talk) 17:58, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Thank you for the kind words and for letting me know about this. --ThingsCanOnlyGetWetter (talk) 08:03, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Suggestion for the Kier Starmer page

I noticed Starmer's pledge to reduce immigration is mentioned more than once, and it fails to mention Starmer aims to reduce net migration by improving training and skills for British workers. Could you expand on that for the page and make it more balanced?

Source: [3]https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn331vd99lzo 2A0A:EF40:E96:7B01:4DFB:9F97:C51C:3599 (talk) 15:04, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done! --ThingsCanOnlyGetWetter (talk) 15:18, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Cheers! 2A0A:EF40:E96:7B01:4DFB:9F97:C51C:3599 (talk) 15:19, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
On England under politcs, it's outdated now, do you think you could update it after the recent election? I'm not exactly sure the number of MPs from each party representing England itself. But I'm sure it coul be worked out? 2A0A:EF40:E96:7B01:4DFB:9F97:C51C:3599 (talk) 15:40, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Done! --ThingsCanOnlyGetWetter (talk) 15:56, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you! Sorry to ask but as you can imagine not all of us can edit the page. :) 2A0A:EF40:E96:7B01:4DFB:9F97:C51C:3599 (talk) 16:01, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No problem! Let me know if you come across other outdated information. --ThingsCanOnlyGetWetter (talk) 16:02, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Opps, you forgot the Green Party! 2A0A:EF40:E96:7B01:8C7D:ED24:DC3C:1C7C (talk) 23:39, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Taken care of! --ThingsCanOnlyGetWetter (talk) 23:42, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you! 2A0A:EF40:E96:7B01:8C7D:ED24:DC3C:1C7C (talk) 23:53, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No problem! --ThingsCanOnlyGetWetter (talk) 00:39, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Quick suggestion

Hi, hope you're having a great day! I personally never had/noticed any problems with your edits, and am deeply appreciative of the crazy amount of work you put in. However, seeing your talk page it seems that many do, and mainly for the reason of unknowing violations of WP and MOS guidelines. For that I do recommend you to read up on some of the rules so that you can continue your amazing work within the framework of Wikipedia if you haven't done so already, cheers! 15:33, 8 July 2024 (UTC) Zinderboff(talk) 15:33, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the kind words! I've already set about making edits that do not violate those guidelines, to be able to continue the amazing work I have done. --ThingsCanOnlyGetWetter (talk) 15:37, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Request

The changes in information at the article “Prime Minister of the United Kingdom]] haven’t been made in a while. But sorry if you feel bothered by my suggestions that you should edit this quickly, but, I think you’re just the right editor for this undertaking. I could edit the page but since my account has to be at least four days old, I am unable to edit the page due to semi-page protection. So please don’t take this as me just nagging you to do this, I apologise for any inconvenience, remember this is just a request. Altonydean (talk) 09:59, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry about the delay, just had a lot of work to do elsewhere. I will get round to it eventually though. --ThingsCanOnlyGetWetter (talk) 10:16, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Page Moves

Please stop moving pages without seeking consensus. I have had to restore the original title of two Ukraine articles that you moved. Users will see this as disruptive and you could lose the ability to move pages on your own. Please start a discussion on the talk page first before anything else. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 12:53, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not to worry, it will not happen again. --ThingsCanOnlyGetWetter (talk) 12:55, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It happened again. Please revert your move of the Trump photo page; there is an ongoing RM. Levivich (talk) 13:42, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Right Honourable

Hello. I thought it is right to let you know that this edit to Richard Tice and this edit to Nigel Farage are both erroneous; MPs who have never held a position within the Cabinet or a senior position within the Shadow Cabinet (and who have never held certain other senior titles and offices outside Parliament) are not entitled to be styled "The Right Honourable". They are called "The Honourable Gentleman/Lady" by other MPs in the Commons chamber as a custom; they are also not entitled to be styled "The Honourable".

All the best. Keeper of Albion (talk) 19:31, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oh right, my bad I did not know this! In that case, thank you for reverting them! --ThingsCanOnlyGetWetter (talk) 19:32, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, it’s any MP who is appointed to the Privy Council who is entitled to that prefix, not just cabinet ministers. Senior backbenchers, for example. All Lords are also Right Honourable. But Farage is not sworn into PC yet so makes no difference in that regard.

Thank you for letting me know. I'll update it when he's been sworn into PC. --ThingsCanOnlyGetWetter (talk) 20:33, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please see MOS:NOPIPE, which says there is no need for changes like this or this. Thanks. - SchroCat (talk) 11:17, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Understood, thank you. --ThingsCanOnlyGetWetter (talk) 11:20, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Further request on updates

Hey @ThingsCanOnlyGetWetter, wanted to ask you about at which time the suggested improvements will be made to the article Prime Minister of the United Kingdom. I, again, do apologise if I am bothering you with this. But I’m engaged in some personal issues of my own at the time and won’t be able to edit for a while. So I hope you will understand and appreciate my request. Also, at article on Keir Starmer, there is a lack of information about his policies during his time as Leader of the Opposition and also about events that happened during this time. Also please look into this immediately. Thank you and best of luck to you @ThingsCanOnlyGetWetter. Altonydean (talk) 12:31, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's okay, although I am also engaged in some personal issues which is why the edits are taking longer than expected. We don't need Starmer's article to be so dominated by his time as opposition leader as his time in that role now has a sub-article. --ThingsCanOnlyGetWetter (talk) 12:35, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Okay. But first of all, I sincerely apologise for constantly reminding of you of this matter. I simply didn’t knew you had any personal problems as well. I am sorry about that. I really am sorry. I know this isn’t a place for this kind of conversation, but please don’t feel obligated to do any of my suggestions because of my shortsighted attitude. It is hard, you know, for me as well because I am also facing this kind of thing in my life as well, although it is related to a mental health condition. But again, don’t feel forced to do this if you don’t want to. Altonydean (talk) 13:07, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for apologising but I wasn't offended. I'll get round to it once I get the time. --ThingsCanOnlyGetWetter (talk) 13:09, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Speed of edits

Hello again, just another reminder to please edit in one block rather than editing an article 10+ times in one day. You've said multiple times that you would stop doing this, it's incredibly time-consuming for other editors who have to read through so many edits daily. It's always better to press 'show preview' next to the 'publish changs' button each time to play around with what works without publishing straight away. This is particularly useful when you're making lots of small tweaks to an article. This means you're only making one edit at the end too. Keep up the good work!

Kind regards, Michaeldble (talk) 13:08, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the reminder, the speed of edits is something I have since toned down. As indicated by my lack of edits over the last few days, when compared to previous days.--ThingsCanOnlyGetWetter (talk) 20:27, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Request

Hey, do you mind changing the picture of Starmer under foreign relationships on the United Kingdom page? I think a new one of him at the recent Blenheim Palace event would be ideal! Or maybe this one; Keir Starmer meets Irish Taoiseach Simon Harris for a bilateral meeting at Chequers, 17 July 2024

Cheers and good wishes. 2A0A:EF40:EDE:B201:6152:5CFA:EB4B:5C1E (talk) 17:19, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Taken care of, using your first recommendation! --ThingsCanOnlyGetWetter (talk) 20:25, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Copying within Wikipedia

Hi @ThingsCanOnlyGetWetter, have you read "Wikipedia:Copying within Wikipedia"? I ask because it seems that in this edit, you copied content from elsewhere in Wikipedia without stating in the edit summary which article the content was copied from, and without providing the necessary link to the source page. -- DeFacto (talk). 21:00, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Other accounts

Is GordonBrownTextureLikeSun your account? If so, you might want to add a note on your userpage. C F A 💬 02:13, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have now done so. --ThingsCanOnlyGetWetter (talk) 15:05, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Charles Ingram

Hi. I assume this was a mistake? I can't see anything about Labour in the article. Did you mean to tag an article about somebody else called Ingram maybe? DanielRigal (talk) 22:14, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

He's openly against the Conservatives as indicated by his Twitter account and has supported Labour, but I support the removal of the category as there's no mention of his political views on the article at the moment. --ThingsCanOnlyGetWetter (talk) 22:16, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The reason the article currently makes no mention of Ingram's political views is because of this edit. I don't know whether the above user was right or wrong to remove that bit, but he was absolutely wrong to restore a version with events out of order, a problem that still needs to be fixed, and can be fixed by restoring this version. 91.142.222.105 (talk) 01:27, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Gary Glitter

Hi - I've reverted some of your changes to the Gary Glitter article, because the structure of the article lede was decided on by consensus back in 2021 (see here), and I don't see anything to suggest that that has changed in the meantime. In brief, the main concerns were that too much emphasis was being placed on his career when balanced against his sexual offences, so it was retructured in order to address those concerns, with people from all sides of the discussion agreeing that it was an improvement. Your recent changes effectively reverted that diff, which is why I've undone them. Theknightwho (talk) 20:41, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, thank you for letting me know. I agree this is an improvement and I won't alter it. --ThingsCanOnlyGetWetter (talk) 11:22, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Update

@ThingsCanOnlyGetWetter It’s been a while since the last mention of the suggested changes to the article Prime Minister of the United Kingdom, which are not been implemented. Although this might seem inconvenient or bothering, but I do really and genuinely believe you can add the required content about the legislative, executive and royal prerogative powers of the Prime Minister in the section “Authority, powers and constraints” which are need to provide context regarding the role of that position. Can you, although this might seem disingenuous to you, do it now and focus on this request for a while? I really need you for this task and I am willing to edit that page myself but I am still not able to edit that page because my account is too “young”. Also because it’s a semi-protected page. Can you add the necessary content now? This really couldn’t be done without your involvement. Altonydean (talk) 10:58, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Header image for Alastair Campbell

Hi, heads up that I reverted your rollback of my update to the header image on this article. I see that you consider the new photo to be "less flattering". My argument is that it is a better image because:

  • The photo from 2013 is blurry / low resolution
  • It is a more recent photo that is more representative of his current appearance
  • It's marginally better as a photo because he is looking forward towards the camera

If you wish to debate further I'd be happy to hear your counterarguments. Fragglet (talk) 19:59, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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