Talk:Sikh Empire

New Country Profile

I have just added a country profile on the Sikh Empire page and all went fine except the flag sizes as you have had already seen, I couldn't get that right, if anybody can get the right adequate size of flags on the page. --Wjkk20, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Flag of the Sikh Empire

File:Sikh Empire flag.svg has been used in the infobox and across wikipedia as the flag of the Sikh empire for years, however this usage is incredibly inaccurate. For one, the file itself contains a disclaimer saying "This flag is fictitious, proposed or locally used unofficially but not adopted. It may be named as it would be as an official flag of a geographical or other entity and have some visual elements that are similar to official logos or flags of that entity, but it is not official and doesn't have any official recognition. Under any circumstances whatsoever, you should not add these flags in any articles, unless it is proposed by a government agency or it is covered by the media or if the flag is locally used.". In attempting to find a source for this reconstructed flag, which the file itself does not give, I was able to find a few sources showing Sikh battle flags with a variety of designs, including many with central designs of the sun as well as the Hindu goddess Durga. I was not able to find one that lined up with the design currently used in the infobox.

https://www.sikhnet.com/news/khalsa-army-flag-anglo-sikh-wars-digitisation

https://www.anglosikhmuseum.com/khalsa-army-flag/

https://www.sikhmuseum.com/nishan/mistaken/battle.html#battle13

https://web.archive.org/web/20100521022015/www.fauj-i-khas.com/index.php/2010/04/02/the-black-and-gold-standard/

I believe the best way to understand this is that the Sikh empire was not like modern nation-states which have one, clearly defined flag that represents in all areas. These were simply the battle of flags of certain parts of the Sikh Khalsa army, so it makes sense that they do not share one uniform design. To say the Sikh empire had a national flag at all is inaccurate, and as such I have removed the flag from the infobox. Perhaps a section of the article like "Emblems of the Sikh empire" could list and discuss these various designs and explain them in better detail. Ulcerative (talk) 18:29, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

Map

Hi, @PadFoot2008 Glad you noticed some changes in the map that need to be done. Unfortunately! I could not spot the errors in my map as per the atlas. What needs to be changed? (in map concerning atlas) So I can correct my map.

Regards. Rawn3012 (talk) 12:35, 26 July 2024 (UTC)

@PadFoot2008 Any reply from your side Rawn3012 (talk) 18:02, 26 July 2024 (UTC)

This is the Sikh Kingdom in the atlas [1]. The current map seems to align perfectly with it, while yours seems exaggerated. Additionally, as I mentioned in my edit summary, the extent of Indian states are generally a controversial topic and therefore the long-standing (usually) historical map is preferred over user made ones. PadFoot (talk) 18:24, 26 July 2024 (UTC)

@PadFoot2008 The map which you have referred above is not the Sikh Empire at it's peak. Please see the 1, third row(last map). My map perfectly alligns with it. Also there is no rule on wikipedia which states that "'the long-standing (usually) historical map is preferred over user made ones" The current map gives near to all nothing to the user and is awfull too. Rawn3012 (talk) 19:14, 26 July 2024 (UTC)

Your link doesn't work. PadFoot (talk) 02:49, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

@PadFoot2008 Sorry! for the late response as I was busy with some personal work. Please retry from the same link or use 2. It shows the same extent which I have drawed in my map.

Regards Rawn3012 (talk) 16:09, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

As I said before in other discussions, these maps do not appear very accurate. The map shows Bahawalpur as a part of the Sikh territory, which seems inaccurate. See the map of the Nizam's territories for instance in the same page. PadFoot (talk) 16:19, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

Okay, I will re-edit the map based on your source only then. Rawn3012 (talk) 16:25, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

@Rawn3012, thanks for understanding. I will not oppose a map that is drawn similar to the current one. PadFoot (talk) 16:30, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

@PadFoot2008 I have changed the extent of the Sikh Empire based upon the map which is being used currently. Also I had changed the current map with the updated one. It can take some time to update.

Regards Rawn3012 (talk) 21:00, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

Alright. PadFoot (talk) 22:49, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

The map looks misleading. Although it is meant to match the previous map (which is used as a source).

It still doesn't highlight important provinces like Peshawar. Other parts of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa too are not labelled. Bajaur should be labelled as well.

Other than that the map looks fine. Malik-Al-Hind (talk) 08:21, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

Hi! @Malik-Al-Hind After reading you concerns I can say that Maps at infobox are meant to provide a rough idea about the polity. Although mine one is some standards above. Also, It id not mandatory to have each province labeled. Hence, Calling it a misleading map would put the map into pov category which clearly it is not. Hope you would have understood

Best Regards Rawn3012 (talk) 16:42, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

No but the map is supposed to show the greatest extent, And peshawar was one of the most important city of the empire. So I think it just should be labelled like attock and lahore are. Malik-Al-Hind (talk) 16:58, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

Kingdom, not an empire

It was ruled by an Maharaja which translates to 'Great King'. See Maharaja of Punjab as called in Imperial Gazetteer of India Vol.1 [Page no - 48]

It was called as Sikh Kingdom or Kingdom of Punjab , as represented in Britannica

and Book by Khushwant Singh.

Thanks. WhatAGreatWikiTuber (talk) 11:36, 1 September 2024 (UTC)